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How will Mohammad Amir be remembered in international cricket?

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To me his everlasting memory will be "that" Champions Trophy performance as it brought joy to millions.

Apart from that, all people will remember him by is the shameful act of 2010 and possibly the promise of greatness that he brought when he started playing cricket.



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Nothing to remember him for other than a few great spells. Probably the champions trophy final. The spell against india in the 2016 world cup. Also that 5 wicket maiden in t20 world cup final over vs austrailia.
 
For unfulfilled potential
For the champions trophy final in 2017
For the World T20 final in 2009
For the spot fixing in 2010
 
I will remember for him for fixing and humiliating the whole the nation in front of the world. That alone is bigger than any of his achievements.
 
Hasan123 said:
For unfulfilled potential
For the champions trophy final in 2017
For the World T20 final in 2009
For the spot fixing in 2010
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Basically this.

Yet another Pakistani cricket who could have become a legend but we all know what happened.

Thank you Amir for the CT and T20 world cup.
 
Overall an average bowler but someone who turned up on big ocassions. And did very well during those times.

Also, a low class individual with poor ethics and attitude. Lucky to be born in Pakistan - the only country which could fast track a cheat.
 
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Nothing to remember him for other than a few great spells. Probably the champions trophy final. The spell against india in the 2016 world cup. Also that 5 wicket maiden in t20 world cup final over vs austrailia.
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Never understood the Pakistan fixation for its bowlers excellent role in CT17 final. They really did not matter. It’s Pakistan’s underrated batters who won the match.

How many times a team has won in a major championship final chasing 330+ score. Indian batters perished playing shots. Most probably Kenya would have got India out below 330.

If Pakistan score was ~275 or India had batted first, Amir and others would have been found out like they did in Asia cup and world cup later. But that’s a big If. It’s Pak batsmen that did the trick but bowlers who got the most credit.
 
He will be forgotten fairly easily. He's no Mohammad Asif, for whom most fans and observers still reminisce wistfully.
 
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The Champions Trophy will fade away - much like no South African considers it legit ICC silverware when they won it in 1998.

He will be remembered for the 2010 spot fixing scandal first and foremost. Since that point, he has been the most overrated 30-averaging bowler of all time from anywhere. Even Irfan Pathan has had a more wholesome career than he has, and nobody talks about him - speaks volumes of Pakistan's equally overrated fast bowling cupboard.
 
I'll always remember him as a traitor, extremely selfish person, a person who ditched his country for money then that country gave him another opportunity & he ditches the team once again to get easy money from the leagues around the world.
 
A talented bowler who ended with a tainted career and average stats. Other than his few decent ICC tournament performances for Pakistan, there is nothing much to remember considering Pakistan has produced many much better players than him in terms of stats as well as overall impact and hopefully will continue to do so in the coming decade.

Unfortunately there is more drama, denial and deceit in his career than statistical numbers or performances.
 
Hugely gifted but mentally not right

Would rather have it other way round tbh
 
As mentioned above gifted but weak mentality & entitlement will be what he’ll be remembered for & obviously some of his pre ban performances
 
He’ll always be remembered for that Champions Trophy spell, even if the match was already won by Pakistan before India faced a single ball.

He will then be remembered most for selling out his country.

Tangentially, people will occasionally reference that 2009 final, a decent 2019 world cup, and that Asia Cup spell.

Long forgotten will be the Amir who won Wisden’s cricketer of the year 2011.
 
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Babbar said:
Never understood the Pakistan fixation for its bowlers excellent role in CT17 final. They really did not matter. It’s Pakistan’s underrated batters who won the match.

How many times a team has won in a major championship final chasing 330+ score. Indian batters perished playing shots. Most probably Kenya would have got India out below 330.

If Pakistan score was ~275 or India had batted first, Amir and others would have been found out like they did in Asia cup and world cup later. But that’s a big If. It’s Pak batsmen that did the trick but bowlers who got the most credit.
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You never know. If the top 3 had laid down a good base and then pandya would have produced that knock india could have won. But i do agree it was hafeez and fakhar who played a bigger role in winning pak the match. Nevertheless it was one of amirs best preformances no matter whether it was overshadowed by batsmen or not.
 
Amir has been irrelevant for the past 3 years tbh, no earth shattering performances to speak off
 
Varun said:
The Champions Trophy will fade away - much like no South African considers it legit ICC silverware when they won it in 1998.

He will be remembered for the 2010 spot fixing scandal first and foremost. Since that point, he has been the most overrated 30-averaging bowler of all time from anywhere. Even Irfan Pathan has had a more wholesome career than he has, and nobody talks about him - speaks volumes of Pakistan's equally overrated fast bowling cupboard.
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I can assure you not many Pakistani fans will forget the day they humiliated India in a ICC final.

Highlights : 2009 and 2017 , the spell against india in the asia cup when our batsmen failed horribly.

Lows : apart from the obvious, the last couple of years have been frustrating to watch, his body has given up shame he ended things this way and alienated himself from the fan base that made him what he was,in all honesty looks like a afridi-esque retirement tho, i think he will be back.
 
silentkiller187 said:
I can assure you not many Pakistani fans will forget the day they humiliated India in a ICC final.

Highlights : 2009 and 2017 , the spell against india in the asia cup when our batsmen failed horribly.

Lows : apart from the obvious, the last couple of years have been frustrating to watch, his body has given up shame he ended things this way and alienated himself from the fan base that made him what he was,in all honesty looks like a afridi-esque retirement tho, i think he will be back.
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More than Pakistanis, a lot of Indians remember that spell for some reason. All I see are Indians under Amir’s retirement post by the ICC. It’s similar to how a lot of Indians remember Shoaib Akhtar’s spells against them. Taking out one of the strongest top 3’s in world cricket, regardless of whether the game was already won, including Kohli twice in two balls - that’s something a lot of people will always remember.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
More than Pakistanis, a lot of Indians remember that spell for some reason. All I see are Indians under Amir’s retirement post by the ICC. It’s similar to how a lot of Indians remember Shoaib Akhtar’s spells against them. Taking out one of the strongest top 3’s in world cricket, regardless of whether the game was already won, including Kohli twice in two balls - that’s something a lot of people will always remember.
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I agree. No matter what the target was, Amir's spell will be remembered for some time. I think it comes down to the India-Pakistan toxic rivalry. Boult had similar spell in the World Cup, a bigger stage - in fact he was defending a smaller total but it would hurt Indian fans less as NZ doesn't have a toxic rivalry with India.
 
How will Mohammad Amir be remembered in international cricket?

Coward
 
Like majority Pakistan players. Lack of education/vision, short-sighted, talent not fulfilled, ego/not getting along with the board/players/coaches.
 
Indians are relieved right now. Pretty much every fan of their team hates Amir. For obvious reasons...
 
Rayyman said:
Indians are relieved right now. Pretty much every fan of their team hates Amir. For obvious reasons...
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Funny! Indians were ‘relieved’ when this dude was caught cheating for literally pennies and then lying about his active involvement. That did him, not Misbah and Waqar.

Hate for him was taken care in the next Asia cup and every India-Pak match since then.
 
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29 years old on 13th April - once a darling of Pakistan fans, now not so sure.
 
Better than Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis because at least he fulfilled his sentence and came back to represent his country. I will remember him for his never-give-up attitude. If you are sentenced to 5 years and you cant touch a ball during this period, your career is done but still, he tried his best.
Also, not trudging along just for the sake of carrying a tag "being a senior" and occupying a spot for a deserving player.
 
It's a shame really. A great real talent lost. 5 games come to mind. The first over against Dilshan in the WT20I final, The test in England vs England, the T20 game in asia cup vs India, that over against Watson and Ponting in AUS ODI where Watson had no clue and was caught out off the handle and ofcourse the biggest of them all - CT final.

Amir will be remembered as the man of special moments. A very special player that could have been a great player.
 
Rayyman said:
Indians are relieved right now. Pretty much every fan of their team hates Amir. For obvious reasons...
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Yes Indians have self respect and hate fixers. Imagine thinking we hate someone because he performed twice against us. Heck we respect wasim, waqar, iamran who performed a million times against us

Man I have never ever seen any player milk a one off performance so much. If sreesanth, irfan, joginder, etc were Pakistanis, I wonder how much they would be hyped for winning world cups
 
He will be remembered as a cheat who ruined his career.
 
Amir who?

On a serious note; when he was caught cheating I felt terribly bad for him and saved most of my ire for his senior teammates. However, his behaviour post-release has been nothing short of puerile ingratitude.
 
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A FIXER.

It takes years or whole life to make an image, reputation and minutes to destroy it completely.
No matter what he does as a bowler, first thing that comes to mind hearing his name is FIXER.
 
A spoilt brat and a complete waste of talent. And anybody who says this guy lacked talent or didn't have much potential is lying. For the stuff he was doing in 2010 was crazy for somebody who had just 1/2 years in international cricket.
 
Thanos said:
A FIXER.

It takes years or whole life to make an image, reputation and minutes to destroy it completely.
No matter what he does as a bowler, first thing that comes to mind hearing his name is FIXER.
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Well yea but not everybody is remembered as a fixer. Marlon Samuels isn't remembered too much as a fixer. Nor is Gibbs.
 
The scandal will overshadow everything. His premature retirement from cricket will further tar his legacy (if you could call it that given that he has literally spent as much time playing cricket as he has spent banned).

From a cricketing perspective he'll be best remembered for his breakthrough and pre-ban exploits with a handful of key spells post-ban.

He was a potential fire-cracker when he burst on to the scene but has defaulted to a disciplined medium-fast bowler.

Definitely a case of 'what might have been' with Amir - whatever he has done, become or achieved as a person and as a cricketer do not compare with the actual bowler that left the game in 2010.
 
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He was pretty much the only Pakistani bowler the Indian fans feared. His ability to extract movement off the surface(seam) the ball at good pace was deadly.
Rauf, Riaz, Hassan, Faheem are pretty much the type of bowlers Indian batsman enjoy the most, not sure about Shaheen but even he doesn’t get movement off the pitch .
I"ll be definitely relieved to not see his name on the pakistani sheet
 
A once in a generation talent who threw it all away, damaged his country's name in the process and was a shadow of his former self once he came back.

All in all, one of the biggest disappointments in the history of Pakistan cricket. It will be impossible to remember him favorably over time despite the minor saving graces such as the CT final spell and the 2019 WC performance. The bad just outweighs the good.
 
Most people here discussing Amir's achievements forget the 2009 World Cup and his wicket of Dilshan.
He was 17 years old old and got the biggest wicket of the tournament (the dilscoop was coined in this tournament) and put Sri Lanka right on the back foot in that final which they never recovered from.
 
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Indiafan said:
Yes Indians have self respect and hate fixers. Imagine thinking we hate someone because he performed twice against us. Heck we respect wasim, waqar, iamran who performed a million times against us

Man I have never ever seen any player milk a one off performance so much. If sreesanth, irfan, joginder, etc were Pakistanis, I wonder how much they would be hyped for winning world cups
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Are you suggesting Virat Kohli willingly surrendered his wicket twice to Amir in the CT final :yk2
 
shaz619 said:
Are you suggesting Virat Kohli willingly surrendered his wicket twice to Amir in the CT final :yk2
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Just want to know the reasoning you applied to infer that [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] was suggesting Kohli surrendered his wicket willingly to Amir. (Directly or indirectly)

Because I am not able to.
 
Got Tendulkar out caught behind in their first and only match they played together. What a moment that was. Amir pre ban was just filled with potential.
 
Honestly the fact that he came back after 5 years playing no competitive cricket and thrust into international cricket and performing well enough is pretty incredible in itself.
 
I doubt he will stay retired for long, my guess is that if he has a very good PSL season he will come out of retirement.

His actions have indeed put himself ahead of the country, and though I agree that he could have retired from tests gracefully, the management was quite pathetic as well.

Still, he has no domestic performances off late, so it will be difficult for him to make the team.
 
We've not seen the last of him in Pakistan colours.

He will be back. It might not be soon, but he will come back.

Of course, he's just waiting for the 'right time'
 
As an extremely gifted player who would have been another Wasim, but who was badly influenced by people who should have known better and lost his career.
 
Saj said:
We've not seen the last of him in Pakistan colours.

He will be back. It might not be soon, but he will come back.

Of course, he's just waiting for the 'right time'
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Always wondered about something. Maybe you can throw some light. Do Pak players check these forums?
 
He definitely will be back once Misbah Waqar combo is gone. I can’t believe he “retired” the way he did. Such an entitled brat who wants to play on his own terms. The PCB is so incompetent that they will welcome him back with open arms after he let fans down and brought shame on the nation twice.
 
rhony said:
Always wondered about something. Maybe you can throw some light. Do Pak players check these forums?
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Some have told me they do, others have friends and family who check them on their behalf. Some players have managers/agents who check the forums for them.
 
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