How would India cope with Yasir Shah in Tests?

[khan991]

Moeen Ali ran through indian lineup again.How do you think india will cope with yasir shah in india and uae If they played against each other in tests. I personally think the current players india has they would not be able to cope with him.

 

[Rana]

Moeen Ali ran through indian lineup again.How do you think india will cope with yasir shah in india and uae If they played against each other in tests. I personally think the current players india has they would not be able to cope with him.

Cannot speculate. Yasir Shah can go days without wickets as well

 

[Stalin]

Nah!!! He'll be smashed around by the Indians ALL OVER THE PARK.... Moeen enjoys success against India only because our batters think of him as a chance to score some runs which are hard to come by against there seamers. In India he got some hefty phainty even on helpful wickets... So it would be the same with Yasir as well without a Shafi of a doubt.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

The way we dealth with him in CWC 2015

 

[Finisher]

The way we dealth with him in CWC 2015

Yasir Shah has been average in List A cricket
Odi cricket isn't test cricket

 

[IMMY69]

Nah!!! He'll be smashed around by the Indians ALL OVER THE PARK.... Moeen enjoys success against India only because our batters think of him as a chance to score some runs which are hard to come by against there seamers. In India he got some hefty phainty even on helpful wickets... So it would be the same with Yasir as well without a Shafi of a doubt.

Our batsmen also think he’s a chance to score..
But guess what? They usually always obliterate him.

 

[IMMY69]

The way we dealth with him in CWC 2015

Different form of the game but since you’ve brought up ODI’s let’s not forget they way we dealt with Ashwin and Jadeja in the CT final...

 

[Pakhs]

One can never tell until the event actually happens! But Yasir is a good bowler and should do his job at least.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Different form of the game but since you’ve brought up ODI’s let’s not forget they way we dealt with Ashwin and Jadeja in the CT final...

The reason I brought that game bcoz its the only match Yasir played against us and as expected got thrashed. Also looking at India's history of dealing with ATG leg spinners like Warne, I have no doubt Yasir will get the same treatment.

As far as Ashwin/Jadeja is concerner, they played many other games with Pak and not only CT finals. In the same game, where Yasir was getting thrashed like club bowler, Ash-Jad was wrecking havoc.

 

[kuskash]

India has surrendered to likes of O’Keef and Mendis but they have humiliated likes of Warne and Murli. So until Yasir plays against India in tests, very difficult to say.

 

[Saurav]

Leggies don't threaten us. Rashid and certain Shane Warne will tell you that

however offies do well,whether its Saqlain,Lyon or Ali

 

[the_outsider]

Yasir is a good bowler so I'm sure he will pick wickets against India too.

But he also gives away a lot of runs which is critical on Asian pitches.

Historically, wrist spinners have done much worse than finger spinners against India.

We might never know how Yasir will do against India in tests but if I had to guess I would say that Yasir will pick wickets but Indian batsmen will also milk him for runs

 

[Hasan123]

India do well against leg spin. There issue in recent times has been off spin.

 

[TeymurBlake]

India would perform much better against Yasir. Yasir goes for quite alot of runs but does pick wickets. But does have the knack of being inconsistent quite alot.

 

[Savak]

I would love to see Yasir Shah atleast once on the fast spinning wickets of India

 

[ManFan]

Considering that the likes of Tahir got a five-fer’ in India, I am willing to bet that Yasir would certainly find success.

Indian players are no longer the great spin-conquistadors of the past.

They, like most of the current batsmen, struggle against spin in general.

 

[topspin]

Considering that the likes of Tahir got a five-fer’ in India, I am willing to bet that Yasir would certainly find success.

Indian players are no longer the great spin-conquistadors of the past.

They, like most of the current batsmen, struggle against spin in general.

But Yasir doesn't have the mystery, disguise and the skill of Tahir when it comes to mixing it up with googlies.

 

[topspin]

Indian players are far better players of wrist spin and as harsh as it may sound I would fancy Rashid over Yasir against Indian batsmen because at least he has a very good googly and is perhaps a more prodigious spinner of the ball. You don't just hit Kohli's top of off stump in an ODI without putting the revs into it. Yasir Shah on the other hand is more of a wicket to wicket type bowler who relies heavily on his top spinner.

I'm a fan of Yasir but unfortunately I would expect him to be given the same treatment as he got in Australia unless it's a rank turner.

 

[the_outsider]

Considering that the likes of Tahir got a five-fer’ in India, I am willing to bet that Yasir would certainly find success.

Indian players are no longer the great spin-conquistadors of the past.

They, like most of the current batsmen, struggle against spin in general.

It may seem like Tahir did well in India but the truth is he actually did quite poorly.

That series in 2015 was the infamous doctored pitches one. The pitches were literally turning from the 1st over.

You'd think Tahir did really well getting a 5fer and averaging 21 but his average was actually twice of Ashwin (avg 11) and Jadeja (avg 10).

 

[ManFan]

But Yasir doesn't have the mystery, disguise and the skill of Tahir when it comes to mixing it up with googlies.

You don’t need mystery in Test cricket.

Look at Ashwin.

He has a million tricks but couldn’t do jack while plain old Moeen Ali picked up nine by simply landing it on the rough ball after ball.

It’s consistency and control over variation in Test Match cricket.

 

[ManFan]

Indian players are far better players of wrist spin and as harsh as it may sound I would fancy Rashid over Yasir against Indian batsmen because at least he has a very good googly and is perhaps a more prodigious spinner of the ball. You don't just hit Kohli's top of off stump in an ODI without putting the revs into it. Yasir Shah on the other hand is more of a wicket to wicket type bowler who relies heavily on his top spinner.

I'm a fan of Yasir but unfortunately I would expect him to be given the same treatment as he got in Australia unless it's a rank turner.

He got the treatment in Australia because he was instructed to insist bowling on a leg-stump line.

When he actually landed it outside off, he was decent.

The only spinner in modern times who has been great in Australia has been Lyon and for obvious reasons.

 

[topspin]

You don’t need mystery in Test cricket.

Look at Ashwin.

He has a million tricks but couldn’t do jack while plain old Moeen Ali picked up nine by simply landing it on the rough ball after ball.

It’s consistency and control over variation in Test Match cricket.

I agree what you say if you're speaking generally across the teams but in India's case, they're very good players of leg spin bowling which is why you need someone who can exploit the googly if you're going to pick a leggie against them and stand a chance.

But the best thing to do is pick a right arm offie and a left arm offie because their batsmen struggle a lot more against finger spin.

 

[ManFan]

It may seem like Tahir did well in India but the truth is he actually did quite poorly.

That series in 2015 was the infamous doctored pitches one. The pitches were literally turning from the 1st over.

You'd think Tahir did really well getting a 5fer and averaging 21 but his average was actually twice of Ashwin (avg 11) and Jadeja (avg 10).

That just shows you how poor the pitches are and further proves my point that if Tahir, (a leggie with an average of 40) can average 21, why can’t Yasir (a leggie who averages 29) average in the teens?

Ashwin and Yasir have similar averages in conditions that are dusty and dry like SL, WI, etc.

 

[barah_admi]

India are too scared to play Pakistan in Arabia, let alone Pakistan, you think they'll ever face Shah?

Pathetic.

 

[ManFan]

I agree what you say if you're speaking generally across the teams but in India's case, they're very good players of leg spin bowling which is why you need someone who can exploit the googly if you're going to pick a leggie against them and stand a chance.

But the best thing to do is pick a right arm offie and a left arm offie because their batsmen struggle a lot more against finger spin.

Because finger-spin is easier to control.

Again, look at Moeen and Rashid in the recent Test.

India’s golden generation had one weakness against spin: an off-spinner with a doosra.

The current generation is relatively poor and their captain struggles against leg-spin, particularly fuller deliveries.

 

[topspin]

He got the treatment in Australia because he was instructed to insist bowling on a leg-stump line.

When he actually landed it outside off, he was decent.

The only spinner in modern times who has been great in Australia has been Lyon and for obvious reasons.

I agree Misbah bowled him to the ground and made him bowl the leg stump line where his chance of wicket taking was made obsolete but that comes to no surprise because he was a shoddy ultra defensive captain who was rightly put in his place when he got called out by Ian Chappell.

On the other hand I don't think Yasir Shah under a better captain in Sarfraz would have had much luck either except a slight reduction in his economy with a couple of more wickets.

 

[ManFan]

I agree Misbah bowled him to the ground and made him bowl the leg stump line where his chance of wicket taking was made obsolete but that comes to no surprise because he was a shoddy ultra defensive captain who was rightly put in his place when he got called out by Ian Chappell.

On the other hand I don't think Yasir Shah under a better captain in Sarfraz would have had much luck either except a slight reduction in his economy with a couple of more wickets.

Well, he’s only had one series where he averaged better than the last series with Misbah in the U.A.E.

As Ian Chappell once said, all leggies need a bit of love and care. They need persistence and confidence from their captain.

Warne had an average of 150 after his first match against India (his fault; he dropped Shastri early on off his bowling who then made a double century) but when Border threw him the ball against SL, with them needing 20 odd with three wickets left, he won the game. The rest is history.

Even Qadir got smashed but that didn’t stop Imran from playing him and he had success against England, Australia, and the West Indies at home.

Yasir had two defensive and timid LOI captains in Misbah and than Azhar. So on days when he was in rhythm, he could succeed despite their shortcomings like 4-29 against SL. On days when it wasn’t quite there, he was slaughtered and discarded.

When LQ were defending 50 odd against PZ last year, he picked up 4 for 7 in 4 overs because Baz asked him what field he wanted, what position which fielder was to take, and so on and so forth.

So if he maintains his fitness, regains the heart to bowl with more loop and invite for the batsmen to drive, then there is no reason he cannot be as if not more successful under Sarfraz than when he was under Misbah.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Yasir Shah is proven, certified match-winner.

He'd trouble India or any other side for that matter.

I personally think the current players india has they would not be able to cope with him.

Kohli and Pujara are unstoppable against spin. The openers/lower order are a bunch of hacks.

It'd be a fun series. A pity it won't ever happen

 

[the_outsider]

That just shows you how poor the pitches are and further proves my point that if Tahir, (a leggie with an average of 40) can average 21, why can’t Yasir (a leggie who averages 29) average in the teens?

But that's my point. The pitches in India are hardly ever that poor. The only other time in recent memory is Pune, 2017 against Australia. Otherwise Indian pitches have been very batting friendly.

Which is why I said you should view Tahir's 5fer with more trepidation. It was massively aided by pitches that Yasir is unlikely to find if Pakistan ever tours India.

 

[Major]

yasir shah took 10 wickets at a Lord's wicket

Should anyone doubting him should think twice.

 

[ManFan]

But that's my point. The pitches in India are hardly ever that poor. The only other time in recent memory is Pune, 2017 against Australia. Otherwise Indian pitches have been very batting friendly.

Which is why I said you should view Tahir's 5fer with more trepidation. It was massively aided by pitches that Yasir is unlikely to find if Pakistan ever tours India.

Yes but the pitches will be far more helpful than the ones in the UAE.

 

[ManFan]

yasir shah took 10 wickets at a Lord's wicket

Should anyone doubting him should think twice.

And it was his first match outside Asia.

 

[Pete Rose]

Historically India has not been troubled by legspin. Not sure about their current lot, though

 

[the_outsider]

Yes but the pitches will be far more helpful than the ones in the UAE.

If the pitches are anything like they have been in the last 2 years then no they won't be much more helpful. They'll be pretty flat.

400+ plus has been scored quite regularly by visiting teams in India in the last 2 years.

 

[Saj]

By and large Indian batsmen play leg-spin pretty well, but the current lot seem to have a problem against spin, as Moeen Ali has just shown.

 

[ManFan]

If the pitches are anything like they have been in the last 2 years then no they won't be much more helpful. They'll be pretty flat.

400+ plus has been scored quite regularly by visiting teams in India in the last 2 years.

Pitches in India actually have some substance to the pitch and may not spin square like 2015 but they will not be bone dry like the UAE.

The PCB has no control over the pitches produced and the result is four days of poor cricket.

The last day is when the cracks and dust bowls come into play.

 

[the_outsider]

Actually India have played certain good spinners well (like Herath, Maharaj) and other good spinners poorly (like Moeen, Lyon).

It's just that the Moeen memory is recent I'm everyone's mind so the perception is India is poor against spin.

Granted, competence against spin isn't at the same level as it was during the fab 4 era (not surprising since Sachin & VVS were the 2 of the best players of spin of all time). But this team still plays spin well.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Saeed ajmal wouldve caused havoc for India but yasir would be played easily imo.

 

[Justcrazy]

If you play another specialist spinner along with Yasir , they will run through Indian Batting on Indian pitches, unless India prepare roads.

 

[the_outsider]

If you play another specialist spinner along with Yasir , they will run through Indian Batting on Indian pitches, unless India prepare roads.

Hardly. The same Moeen Ali averaged 65 when he toured India. Rashid averaged 38. And they both played all 5 matches.

The only spinner who has really troubled India - home and away - has been Nathan Lyon.

 

[Slim]

Nah!!! He'll be smashed around by the Indians ALL OVER THE PARK.... Moeen enjoys success against India only because our batters think of him as a chance to score some runs which are hard to come by against there seamers. In India he got some hefty phainty even on helpful wickets... So it would be the same with Yasir as well without a Shafi of a doubt.

Been hearing this rubbish since the first time Moeen owned Indian bats. No ones buying this ** now.

 

[Slim]

I personally dont enjoy posting in these imaginative threads but i believe that Yasir would hammer them if we "ever" play test cricket with India.

 

[the_outsider]

Been hearing this rubbish since the first time Moeen owned Indian bats. No ones buying this ** now.

Well Moeen did average 65 in 5 matches when he toured India in 2016/17.

But yeah I don't think the reason Stalin gave is true.

Moeen has bowled well and that's why he's gotten wickets.

 

[Mute Witness]

Purely hypothetical scenario, Pakistan's best chance of winning in India would have been a couple of years ago with Ajmal and Yasir as the spin duo and Misbah and younis in the batting line up. They both had insane averages in India.