"Howdy, Modi" event in Texas on September 22nd

[fitCricFan]

I see you are trying really hard here to make a pointless point. You are more than a billion and all over the world lol, it isn't hard to fill up a place anywhere since you haven't left a place. So much for Indians loving India so much, you pack up and run away at the very first opportunity.

It is just another Modi's usual mass gathering like the daily regulars in India I guess.

Sorry, you guessed wrong. It was a spectacular and a successful event.

There is nothing holding Imran Khan from organizing one of his own, maybe in a location with a strong Pakistani diaspora but nope, that won't happen. In America, Pakistan's image is that of a Global terror sponsor and no Pakistani expat would be foolish enough to attend one of these rallies. The same goes for the US politicians who would be seen as supporting Pakistan.

The difference in how the Indian & the Pakistan PM were received on their arrival, in the US, last week, tells you that IK is simply blowing wind, trying to focus attention away from his own failures.

The fact that IK has failed to get support even for something as basic as getting a resolution tabled, let alone being passed tells you how other countries see the official Pakistan narrative on Kashmir.

When Taliban tells Pakistan not to link their fight with Kashmir and keep it separate, you know things are bad.

 

[fitCricFan]

I just started reading some of the new posts. This thread has turned on its head, we got Captain repping the village Pakistani and the Indians talking about all our CEOs of the western world. Lol .. This is just great . Really enjoying this keep it up guys, I will throw in the occasional spanner here and there :d

Whats wrong with Indians touting their progress and why the need to be modest when you are successful.
Can you name any Pakistan expats who are heading Global companies or maybe a 2nd or 3rd generation Pakistani's who is the head of a Global Company. I know it sucks.

 

[mustang]

If it was a huge event for Indian expats, barely anyone outside of the Indian community would even realise it happened. Trump was there for sure, that's because the US will see India as a giant market.

Other than that, Americans barely even recognise they have Indians in their midst. Other than Apu from the Simpsons they wouldn't be able to name a famous Indian.

What a silly and senseless comment!

You are of Pakistani origin living in the UK. You have no association with the US or the Indian Americans. Do you know anything about the US? How many times have you been to and extensively interacted with the people in our country? Your opinion seems to be fueled by your own biases and whatever little you see on TV sitcoms.

Funny thing is - on top of prejudiced rants like this, you will claim to be a "neutral" Brit in other threads.

 

[mustang]

You can reel off the names of your Indian CEOs on these boards if it makes you feel better, but unless Americans are logging in to read PakPassion, they won't have a clue who they are. American Indians are like worker drones, they have no visible presence where they are shown representing America.

Even this fabulous speech you are congratulating yourselves on won't be on the radar. The only people listening to it are Indian ex pats. And us of course, we get it drip fed by Indian patriots on these forums otherwise I guarantee you we wouldn't know about it either.

Wrong again on many counts - research before you start mouthing off ignorant stuff.

1. It is not American Indians but INDIAN AMERICANS.
2. How are Indian Americans like worker drones if some of the biggest companies are led by them? Some of the biggest VC (Venture Capital) firms are led by them? More and more tech focused PE and LBO firms are led by them where they hire CEOs?
3. Are British Pakistanis not worker drones per you? If yes, how so? What have the British Pakistani community accomplished in the sense of consistent entrepreneurial leadership? Can you name companies that were led and grown by British Pakistanis?


Americans don't have to log into a Pakistani message board to know more about Indian people. Some of us still do because we have served in certain parts of the world and have an interest in how certain societies and people operate.

 

[mustang]

Common knowledge where? Are you seriously telling me that is common knowledge for your average American? Do you really think Tommy or Pammy from Alabama log onto Pakpassion to read these links?

Wow man ... reading through your reply messages seems to be a showcase for intellectual devolution (or did you forget to take 'em medications today?).

Why should my country men log into some random nation's website to know about some other random community of people? Will you expect British people to read a Chinese English forum to learn about British people of Japanese descent? What you typed again and again sounds as ludicrous as that. Do you even think about that logic before typing it out again and again? The entire world does not revolve around your British Pakistani/Pakistani spectrum.

 

[mustang]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/howdy-modi-pm-narendra-modi-asks-for-ideas-for-speech-2102022

NEW DELHI: Ahead of his mega "Howdy, Modi" event in Texas on September 22, being billed as the largest-ever turnout for a foreign elected leader on US soil, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Tuesday asked people to pitch in ideas for his speech.
PM Modi told his followers on Twitter that he would refer to some of their ideas during his speech at the event.

"There is great enthusiasm towards the #HowdyModi programme in Houston on 22nd. For my speech that day, I want to hear from you. Share your ideas for my address. I would refer to some of them during my remarks. Express your thoughts on the special Open Forum on the NaMo App," PM Modi tweeted.

At the "Howdy, Modi" event in Texas, PM Modi will be joined by US President Donald Trump. In a statement on Sunday, the White House had said, "It will be a great opportunity to emphasize the strong ties between the people of the United States and India, to reaffirm the strategic partnership between the world's oldest and largest democracies, and to discuss ways to deepen their energy and trade."

On Monday PM Modi had tweeted that he was "delighted" that Donald Trump would join him at the 'Howdy, Modi' event in Houston and called it a "special gesture".

Over 50,000 Indian-Americans will attend the sold-out event at Houston's NRG Stadium. A delegation of Governors, members of the Congress, mayors and other public officials, including the first American-Hindu Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard and Indian-American Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi will be at the event.

Not a big fan of either of these leaders and to me this event seems gimmicky. The Indians have a feel good factor with visible support after a very controversial political move in Kashmir. I would say any support from "The Donald" that the Indians can claim is like a shifting sand dune. Even "The Donald" himself does not know what crazy opinion he will be tweeting the very next day.

That being said, Trump could be very politically smart in reality and maybe this is a move to garner support from the conservative anti-Islamic vote base in the heartland of Good Ol' 'Merica.

Some Pakistanis here seem to think Trump's move is to garner Indian support (and hence seem to be challenging that) but I think Trump's move is to strengthen his anti-muslim conservative bastion support. Think about it - You read about this in the news, wonder who this Modi fella is and Google him, then see links on Gujarat riots and his party killing muslims ... now if you are a gun toting conservative in the deep South, what Modi's party allegedly did may seem like milk & honey to you. You will then believe even more that Trump is a strong leader who "means business" after all.

 

[Varun]

3. Are British Pakistanis not worker drones per you? If yes, how so? What have the British Pakistani community accomplished in the sense of consistent entrepreneurial leadership? Can you name companies that were led and grown by British Pakistanis?

1. BritPak 'Round-the-Clock' TaxiCabs - Great convos on Palestine & Zionism during your ride!
2. Rishi & Sons Kebab Palace (£1 off on Hariyali Kebabs when Pakistan win at the cricket)
3. Bradford Biriyanis - Indian & Pakistani cuisine: believe us, we integrate the rice and salan in every pot!

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Wow man ... reading through your reply messages seems to be a showcase for intellectual devolution (or did you forget to take 'em medications today?).

Why should my country men log into some random nation's website to know about some other random community of people? Will you expect British people to read a Chinese English forum to learn about British people of Japanese descent? What you typed again and again sounds as ludicrous as that. Do you even think about that logic before typing it out again and again? The entire world does not revolve around your British Pakistani/Pakistani spectrum.

Well Said..

 

[Muddaser]

Not surprised to see "American" Mustang in this thread.

 

[MP2011]

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/howdy-modi-had-nothing-of-enduring-value-for-india/20190923.htm

An article from someone who knows what international diplomacy means unlike resident 'experts' here.

 

[Kriketer]

Sorry, you guessed wrong. It was a spectacular and a successful event.

There is nothing holding Imran Khan from organizing one of his own, maybe in a location with a strong Pakistani diaspora but nope, that won't happen. In America, Pakistan's image is that of a Global terror sponsor and no Pakistani expat would be foolish enough to attend one of these rallies. The same goes for the US politicians who would be seen as supporting Pakistan.

The difference in how the Indian & the Pakistan PM were received on their arrival, in the US, last week, tells you that IK is simply blowing wind, trying to focus attention away from his own failures.

The fact that IK has failed to get support even for something as basic as getting a resolution tabled, let alone being passed tells you how other countries see the official Pakistan narrative on Kashmir.

When Taliban tells Pakistan not to link their fight with Kashmir and keep it separate, you know things are bad.

30,000 Pakistani-Americans attended Imran Khan's jalsa in Washinton this year. Maybe researching a little before going on the regular garbage on terrorism and the usual crap we hear from India about Pakistan would help. Why you folks love embarrassing yourselves?

Neither we went over-board by such large gathering, unlike Modi goons. That's the difference between people who follow a mature educated leader, and an illiterate fascist leader.

You have become dheets online, no matter how much facts you are told, you will repeat the same garbage just like your media and government. It's just your mentality now, chest thumping nationalism is driving you folks nuts but again all it takes are a few facts to shut you down.

 

[Pakpak]

Not surprised to see "American" Mustang in this thread.

All these 'neutrals' are a fraud. The biggest troll rhony pretended to be neutral for a while. As for mustang I called him out on it after early on. Cowards really.

 

[MP2011]

A wonderful article on this tamasha meant for self promotion by both megalomaniacs....For you, Swashy & pillionrider...

https://thewire.in/politics/howdy-modi-event-manipulating-democracy

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just because a racist, india hater brit pakistani thinks that Indian Americans are all about APU, doesnot make it the truth. Speaking on behalf of Americans now.lolfer.

I know the median income thing really hurts you lot, after all Indians are so ahead of pakistanis financially, be it US or UK.

But it wasn't a racist india hater brit pakistani who was complaining that Americans viewed Indians as Apu, it was American Indians who complained about it. Do you think they might know a bit better their own situation than some guy sitting in Bengal spouting Hindutva propaganda?

Do you want me to provide a link to the source? There was a thread here on it actually although I don't remember you participating.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Tommy and Pammy have been told by their fav night show hosts, by their President, by their senators that Indian Americans are the richest ethnic group in the country. This is the community with the lowest crime rate, one of the highest education rates as well. You should google.more often

Why would I google it? Why would Tommy or Pammy for that matter? This sort of stuff should be self-evident when a community is respected and admired.

Maybe it's the perception of India as a poverty stricken nation with poor infrastructure which gives the bad impression to outsiders. If it looked like Japan then perhaps we would see more positive images of Indians in the media.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Precisely. See, this is all part of Soft power that every country craves. War is the last resort and the way wars have been going, no one wins at the end of the day. World is run with soft power.

Soft power is great, I agree with this. But can you tell me which country is running the world with soft power?

For an example, try to put forward one which does not have it's military stationed in any other country but it's own.

 

[rhony]

Why would I google it? Why would Tommy or Pammy for that matter? This sort of stuff should be self-evident when a community is respected and admired.

Maybe it's the perception of India as a poverty stricken nation with poor infrastructure which gives the bad impression to outsiders. If it looked like Japan then perhaps we would see more positive images of Indians in the media.

I understand that your opinion of India is through media and probably through slumdog millionaire. But the discussion here is about Indian Americans. The IT crowd has been stereotyped to death everyehere that everybody knows Indians are highly educated, make good money.

 

[rhony]

Soft power is great, I agree with this. But can you tell me which country is running the world with soft power?

For an example, try to put forward one which does not have it's military stationed in any other country but it's own.

Why do you think it's only about countries. "World is run by soft power". Doesn't mean it's just run by one country. It could be a cluster of countries, corporates, it could be world organizations. It could be military might without using it, could be cultural influence, could be economical strength or all the above as in the case of Americans. As we are discussing about India, let me just give you an example of soft power. Modi demanded a separate Palestine state when he visited Palestine and Indo Israeli relations are at an all time high.. Now explain to me how this is possible. If you say Israel wants to sell stuff, yes that's part of the soft power due to economic ability to actually buy something from somebody.

 

[PakPremi]

A wonderful article on this tamasha meant for self promotion by both megalomaniacs....For you, Swashy & pillionrider...

https://thewire.in/politics/howdy-modi-event-manipulating-democracy

Modi and Mamoon "All is well in India"

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why do you think it's only about countries. "World is run by soft power". Doesn't mean it's just run by one country. It could be a cluster of countries, corporates, it could be world organizations. It could be military might without using it, could be cultural influence, could be economical strength or all the above as in the case of Americans. As we are discussing about India, let me just give you an example of soft power. Modi demanded a separate Palestine state when he visited Palestine and Indo Israeli relations are at an all time high.. Now explain to me how this is possible. If you say Israel wants to sell stuff, yes that's part of the soft power due to economic ability to actually buy something from somebody.

Not really a great example of soft power, unless Israel actually agreed to grant a separate Palestinian state on Modi's 'demand'.

 

[kk1992]

But it wasn't a racist india hater brit pakistani who was complaining that Americans viewed Indians as Apu, it was American Indians who complained about it. Do you think they might know a bit better their own situation than some guy sitting in Bengal spouting Hindutva propaganda?

Do you want me to provide a link to the source? There was a thread here on it actually although I don't remember you participating.

Probably got excited to find out that American have given Indians a pet name, switched from RSS channel to watch Simpsons and came to realization then switch back to RSS channel while ignoring both RSS and those who label him as 'Apu' are racist and willing to support mass murder of minorities.

 

[Mamoon]

Wow - an excellent, eye-opening turnout. Proper respect for democracy. A proper country like India deserved a true leader like Modi. I can only see India reaching new heights under his leadership.

 

[Slog]

Whats wrong with Indians touting their progress and why the need to be modest when you are successful.
Can you name any Pakistan expats who are heading Global companies or maybe a 2nd or 3rd generation Pakistani's who is the head of a Global Company. I know it sucks.

Who is the most successful and richest South Asian origin person in North America?

 

[Mamoon]

Who is the most successful and richest South Asian origin person in North America?

He is talking about CEOs of the top companies. Shahid Khan is a business tycoon, but no doubt one of the few Pakistanis we can be proud of.

 

[Slog]

He is talking about CEOs of the top companies. Shahid Khan is a business tycoon, but no doubt one of the few Pakistanis we can be proud of.

He is generally talking about success and being a business tycoon is better than being an employee

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wow - an excellent, eye-opening turnout. Proper respect for democracy. A proper country like India deserved a true leader like Modi. I can only see India reaching new heights under his leadership.

I agree, India certainly deserve a leader like Modi, he represents their nation very well. Long may he continue to take that nation down the path his beloved RSS envisioned many years ago.

 

[JaDed]

He is generally talking about success and being a business tycoon is better than being an employee

In that logic are you saying Ambani is the best thing in South Asia?
You believe in 1% rather per capita??

 

[Slog]

In that logic are you saying Ambani is the best thing in South Asia?
You believe in 1% rather per capita??

Oh god no.

The poster just asked what he thought was a rhetorical question with a ‘No’ answer but instead was showing his ignorance and I gave an example

 

[cricketjoshila]

He is generally talking about success and being a business tycoon is better than being an employee

Can you name one person apart from Shahid Khan who appears on Forbes list of Billionaires and is of pakistani origin?

 

[mustang]

All these 'neutrals' are a fraud. The biggest troll rhony pretended to be neutral for a while. As for mustang I called him out on it after early on. Cowards really.

Go read my posts speaking out against Modi and other saffron clad idiots before you make presumptive opinions. I have called out against my own President (because in a free country we have the right to do so).

 

[Pakpak]

Go read my posts speaking out against Modi and other saffron clad idiots before you make presumptive opinions. I have called out against my own President (because in a free country we have the right to do so).

Yet here you are. Like I said, you're a fraud. Like your other fraud neutral friend.

 

[Swashbuckler]

You need to read up a bit of history before you ask stupid questions.

China's seat was given to RoC and both US and USSR had offered to give it to India instead. Just like they gave it to PRC in 1971.

So just like RoC was kicked out and PRC was given the seat in 1971, same would have applied to India in 1950 or 1955, but Nehru in his attempt to appease the chinese refused it and RoC continued to be a unsc member till 1971.

It is you who is advertising your lack of knowledge and reasoning power here, aided by some lies. Based on your own link and others on the net, some American informally offered a feeler to Nehru in 1950. Second offer came from USSR in 1955. Keep in mind that both were separate offers, Soviets weren't involved in 1950 and Americans weren't involved in 1955. Of course if you delve into these offers they were farcical, even dubious. But even making a generous assumption for your sake both USSR and USA never offered India a seat at the same time, both also happened to be great rivals eager to wipe off each other from the face of the Earth. You tried to slip in a lie, but nothing doing. You know how veto works, both USA and USSR needed to be at the same table at the same time.

You don't seem to understand China's history. And you clearly failed to comprehend the questions presented. ROC was given the seat two years before India's independence, from your link Churchill thwarted India's attempt, a permanent member there UK. ROC was driven away to Taiwan while Mao's PRC took the mainland (Chinese civil war, read up). Both ROC and PRC claimed to represent whole of China back then. ROC was holding the permanent seat since 1945 and even when they controlled a much lesser territory they still held it. It was a question of who was the legal representative of China at that point, ROC or PRC. It is still an issue if you keep track of news. That seat was always going to stay with China, only which party was the question, PRC or ROC. Just like how in 1991 the permanent seat of USSR was going to stay with one of the Soviet States. There was simply no question of an outside element (Germany, Japan, Israel, India whatever) staking claim.

What changed over the course of 25 years was mainland China represented by PRC grew in power be it economy, military, stature. So it made sense to deal with them directly rather than ROC, USA had no diplomatic contacts with PRC for more than 20 years. USSR supported PRC because it was a fellow communist nation (their ties deteriorated later, not before the UNSC change). USA under Nixon/Kissinger was eager to mend fences with PRC for 2 reasons, (i) opening of Chinese economy to the West (ii) more importantly to save face in exit from Vietnam, ease negotiations if you put it that way. USSR had been supporting PRC for a long time and USA joined in mainly due to Vietnam, so big difference here as both of them were on the same page at the same time unlike 50s India. Don’t really blame them because in 50s we were an irrelevant nation, maximum one bloc could have used us against the other. As a side note Yahya Khan was helping Nixon a lot in getting close to the mainland Chinese (PRC), another reason why Nixon government was so hostile towards India in 1971 war. More than hating Indians, he was desperate to get close to PRC and resolve the Vietnam debacle, for that he needed Pakistan.

So enough of your misinformation campaign and please stop with your half baked history, it is embarrassing. You don’t seem to understand the difference between PRC and ROC and their competing claims. Bringing India in the middle of their dispute, your post is oozing with cluelessness.
[MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] bro you be the judge. Hope I am not boring you by tagging you in these posts, but I know for sure you would agree that fake news about Nehru has carried on for too long.

 

[Swashbuckler]

) Brutal.

Masterji's boys are a confused lot. On the one hand, they belittle the UN when it comes to Kashmir but think their Made in China weapon can maim Nehru. Deep down they know China is the big gun in the neighborhood but still want to believe we could have been the greatest if not for Nehru.

Personally I think Nehru was overhyped for years. But overhyping does not mean someone was incompetent. It means all of his greatness was made out to be even grander. The problem is, correction does not entail reducing Nehru to a nobody. An even bigger problem is when they attempt to replace him with Masterji.

How will all this unfold? There's only so far India can run on emotion and religious issues. You can see the religious well is running a little dry. That's why nationalism has taken over. It's just a matter of time before it all goes bust. Doesn't matter whether there exists a political alternative or not. There will be a reaction to Masterji.

I pity our NRI and educated white-collar boys in India when this happens. What will they have left to do with their lives. What will they write online and chat about during breaks at work. From where will they get their misplaced sense of relevance and achievement in the world. There's only so much Karan Johar and folks can do - where Indians are the life of parties and white folk dance to our tunes as we take the lead.

It will also probably leave me even more jobless, with less people to hate

I agree bro.

I am very much on record as a supporter of Nehru especially in these times. Not for a moment do I agree he was flawless, he made many mistakes, some very elementary. I am not in the habit of putting our leaders on a pedestal. We need to judge them logically, if BJP supporters make rational points about the failures of Nehru I won't protest. But if WA rumours are spread as gospel truth, someone needs to make some sense. All of us can't collectively lose our minds.

Another issue with BJP ******* is them blaming every damn shortcoming on Nehru, but never will they give credit for the positive stuff. How long can they continue doing that, it has been over 5 years since their heroes have been in crushing majority in Centre and many major states. About time they stop bringing a man who died in the early 60s to defend the current regime. Nehru is also not responsible for how current Congress politicians act and function, let the man rest in peace.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Again let me repeat my question - Did America offer India the perm seat in the early days or not ? A simple un-ambiguous clear cut answer will suffice. It appears that the answer is a "No" from your post but lets get that clarified before we proceed.

After me reciting Ramayana you are asking me is Sita the husband of Ram. I have made my points across quite a few posts, some additional replies to joshila. If you want go through them, or forget it. No use stalling the discussion.

If you have short attention span there is no use for debate. There can't be 30 word replies to fairly complicated questions, those gems are best left to WA groups. And what is this yes/no business? Are we filling some survey form for a skincare product? I generally don't waste too much time on political topics, but if I do I intend to see it to a logical conclusion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is you who is advertising your lack of knowledge and reasoning power here, aided by some lies. Based on your own link and others on the net, some American informally offered a feeler to Nehru in 1950. Second offer came from USSR in 1955. Keep in mind that both were separate offers, Soviets weren't involved in 1950 and Americans weren't involved in 1955. Of course if you delve into these offers they were farcical, even dubious. But even making a generous assumption for your sake both USSR and USA never offered India a seat at the same time, both also happened to be great rivals eager to wipe off each other from the face of the Earth. You tried to slip in a lie, but nothing doing. You know how veto works, both USA and USSR needed to be at the same table at the same time.

You don't seem to understand China's history. And you clearly failed to comprehend the questions presented. ROC was given the seat two years before India's independence, from your link Churchill thwarted India's attempt, a permanent member there UK. ROC was driven away to Taiwan while Mao's PRC took the mainland (Chinese civil war, read up). Both ROC and PRC claimed to represent whole of China back then. ROC was holding the permanent seat since 1945 and even when they controlled a much lesser territory they still held it. It was a question of who was the legal representative of China at that point, ROC or PRC. It is still an issue if you keep track of news. That seat was always going to stay with China, only which party was the question, PRC or ROC. Just like how in 1991 the permanent seat of USSR was going to stay with one of the Soviet States. There was simply no question of an outside element (Germany, Japan, Israel, India whatever) staking claim.

What changed over the course of 25 years was mainland China represented by PRC grew in power be it economy, military, stature. So it made sense to deal with them directly rather than ROC, USA had no diplomatic contacts with PRC for more than 20 years. USSR supported PRC because it was a fellow communist nation (their ties deteriorated later, not before the UNSC change). USA under Nixon/Kissinger was eager to mend fences with PRC for 2 reasons, (i) opening of Chinese economy to the West (ii) more importantly to save face in exit from Vietnam, ease negotiations if you put it that way. USSR had been supporting PRC for a long time and USA joined in mainly due to Vietnam, so big difference here as both of them were on the same page at the same time unlike 50s India. Don’t really blame them because in 50s we were an irrelevant nation, maximum one bloc could have used us against the other. As a side note Yahya Khan was helping Nixon a lot in getting close to the mainland Chinese (PRC), another reason why Nixon government was so hostile towards India in 1971 war. More than hating Indians, he was desperate to get close to PRC and resolve the Vietnam debacle, for that he needed Pakistan.

So enough of your misinformation campaign and please stop with your half baked history, it is embarrassing. You don’t seem to understand the difference between PRC and ROC and their competing claims. Bringing India in the middle of their dispute, your post is oozing with cluelessness.
[MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] bro you be the judge. Hope I am not boring you by tagging you in these posts, but I know for sure you would agree that fake news about Nehru has carried on for too long.

You have no idea what you are talking.

RoC was given the seat of Asia Pacific nominee. Once PRC was established and as a communist nation, India was offered the seat instead of China. Within 5 years two countries US and USSR both offered India the seat at unsc, but nehru refused.

You can spin it anyway you want, but it was Nehru's foolishness that cost us a chance as a UNSC member.

Regarding the question if veto, do read up how US opposed PRC's inclusion in 1971 but couldnot stop it due to overwhelming UNGA votes.

Both US and USSR wanted to have India as an ally and hence both were keen to help India and one of the offers was the UNSC seat. Ofcourse Nehru thought he could appease the chinese and be friends with them.

My link is not the only one, several media outlets have reported that India was offered the UNSC seat and Nehru refused.

 

[Napa]

You have no idea what you are talking.

RoC was given the seat of Asia Pacific nominee. Once PRC was established and as a communist nation, India was offered the seat instead of China. Within 5 years two countries US and USSR both offered India the seat at unsc, but nehru refused.

You can spin it anyway you want, but it was Nehru's foolishness that cost us a chance as a UNSC member.

Regarding the question if veto, do read up how US opposed PRC's inclusion in 1971 but couldnot stop it due to overwhelming UNGA votes.

Both US and USSR wanted to have India as an ally and hence both were keen to help India and one of the offers was the UNSC seat. Ofcourse Nehru thought he could appease the chinese and be friends with them.

My link is not the only one, several media outlets have reported that India was offered the UNSC seat and Nehru refused.

You are wasting your time. All this information has already been provided, but that won't stop them for coming back with irrelevant replies followed by patting each other on the back.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Wow - an excellent, eye-opening turnout. Proper respect for democracy. A proper country like India deserved a true leader like Modi. I can only see India reaching new heights under his leadership.

Are you in full time troll mode now?

"An excellent, eye-opening turnout". Can we know if its the quantitative or qualitative aspect you have taken into account here? If its quantitative then it was 59,000 attendees in Houston vs 30,000 attendees in Washington (in Imran's last Jalsa). Considering the money being spent here, population of India, attendance by Trump himself, demographics of Houston vs Washington, etc. Considering these quantitative factor do you think Imran's jalsa also had eye-opening turnout? If your statement is based on qualitative factor then I would appreciate if you can share some light on that.

"Proper respect for democracy". India is no doubt largest democracy in the world but surely its not the best example of democracy out there. You cannot have proper respect for democracy is democracy is not adopted across the entire country, aka Kashmir.

"True leader like Modi for proper country like India". Cannot put it better myself here.

"India reaching new heights under his leadership". I don't doubt this, India is a major player in the business world of today but that has been largely due to getting basics right and focus on education over the last 2 decades, specifically work done in 90s and 00s. To be very honest, I don't think Modi's government has taken any fundamental steps that would yield long term benefits for India. But surely you would be more versed than me and can point me in right direction as to any policy being passed under his previous government that has a long term vision in mind.

 

[mustang]

Yet here you are. Like I said, you're a fraud. Like your other fraud neutral friend.

Hmmm ... what? So I am here in this thread where I have made yet another comment AGAINST Modi and Trump, and that to you confirms I am a fraud?

Bruh ... whatever it is that you are smoking, pass me some please ... seems like it is very potent! Haha

Maybe you should look at one of your British Pakistani "neutral" participant with continuous comments of prejudice ... Cpt. Rishwat or whatever else she/he is called before you point fingers at others.

 

[Swashbuckler]

You have no idea what you are talking.

Says someone who is going around in circles. Come on man, you are arguing just for the sake of arguing.

Once PRC was established and as a communist nation, India was offered the seat instead of China. Within 5 years two countries US and USSR both offered India the seat at unsc, but nehru refused.

India was offered the seat of China? What a gross exaggeration, oft-repeated as well. Unofficial feelers are now offers? Nothing concrete about them, whether they were sincere or not, whether they were testing India's position or not. Besides India's non-relevance in an intra-China dispute has been brought up enough number of times in my previous posts.

USA and USSR never offered at the same time, 2 separate offers 5 years apart from 2 bitter rivals. Good that Nehru refused the cunning baits.

Regarding the question if veto, do read up how US opposed PRC's inclusion in 1971 but couldnot stop it due to overwhelming UNGA votes.

UNSC members don't care how UNGA votes, Israel has often been mauled in UNGA only to be rescued by the American veto. They aren't the only ones, Russia too has used veto power to save her allies from rather difficult spots.

Check the hows and whys of USA making so many diplomatic overtures to PRC starting in 1968. Read about what was happening in Vietnam that time, truth is PRC had tremendous leverage over USA. Irrespective of USA's grandstanding or public posturing, without PRC's goodwill Vietnam torture would have extended.

Both US and USSR wanted to have India as an ally and hence both were keen to help India and one of the offers was the UNSC seat. Ofcourse Nehru thought he could appease the chinese and be friends with them.

If you can explain how 1950s India could have been allies (not 'neutral') of both USA and USSR I will come to Kolkata and fall at your feet. I mean do you even pause and think before clicking the submit button? Can you think of any country in that era being ally of both superpowers, that was an era when we were close to a nuclear holocaust. What value did India present back then that would have endeared us to both the blocs, made us indispensable? Did we have secret labs in Nagpur that perfected the gaumutra-gobar formula as shield from nuclear attacks? I can understand if some take excessive pride in India's global standing today, exaggerated but at least not nonsensical. But to have delusions about India of 70 years back, I mean for God's sake we were seen as weak, wounded, starving, good for nothing beggars in those times. Please be reasonable.

You may think Nehru appeased Chinese. I'll say he saw through those baits and used them as opportunities to make friendly gestures towards Chinese, that they weren't reciprocated is a different matter. If you blame Nehru for the 62 war humiliation I will wholeheartedly agree and add my inputs on how he messed up. But to create imaginary accusations is unnecessary and self-defeating.

 

[pillionrider]

A feeler, a friendly word dropped in conversation, a passing comment. Heck, even an offer equates to the deed being done. That's all it takes.

Or as they would say. Usne bola.... aur ho gaya.

Little wonder these are the folks who believed Acche Din were coming. And still believe, as the wait into winter continues.

 

[pillionrider]

On topic, so it turns out there was no trade deal. That's what The Hindu has reported this morning "India, U.S. trade deal falls through". Other news outlets saying it's coming. Who knows. Wonder how they will spin it, if Modi returns with a framed photo in one hand and the other held in a wave to his crowds.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Memories from Houston, where history was made! <br><br>PM <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> presented a framed photograph from the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HowdyModi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HowdyModi</a> event to <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@POTUS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a>. <br><br>President Trump thanked PM Modi for this gesture. <a href="https://t.co/jP3QjpU4uW">pic.twitter.com/jP3QjpU4uW</a></p>— PMO India (@PMOIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/PMOIndia/status/1176546725345071107?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[pillionrider]

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/howdy-modi-had-nothing-of-enduring-value-for-india/20190923.htm

An article from someone who knows what international diplomacy means unlike resident 'experts' here.

This bit will hurt them most, though they all have quietly ignored it )

But did you ever get to know that Nehru was greeted by President Harry S Truman at the airport in 1949 and by President John F Kennedy in 1961 -- or that no Indian prime minister had the privilege since?

 

[someone21]

This bit will hurt them most, though they all have quietly ignored it )

That is an embarrassment instead. Nehru’s 4th generation today, can only ask votes on his behalf. They themselves have zero talent, zero vision, zero achievements.

Comparing 1950s to 2010s, and then, the lack of other leaders in India’s most successful party...

 

[pillionrider]

That is an embarrassment instead. Nehru’s 4th generation today, can only ask votes on his behalf. They themselves have zero talent, zero vision, zero achievements.

Sad attempt to turn attention away from the small man continuing to tryhard while resentfully basking in the looming shadow of Nehru.

This is not about Rahul Gandhi seeking votes on the basis of his genes. This is about Modi being inferior to Nehru. And the world's most powerful knowing this.

Modi isn't even close to being the best BJP PM. It took him a second term to find a Kashmir to equal Vajpayee's nuclear test, something Vajpayee did in his first proper term. In his first term, Masterji successfully set fire to Kashmir after the relative prior quiet. Let's not even start on the other ruin Masterji has gone about.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Sad attempt to turn attention away from the small man continuing to tryhard while resentfully basking in the looming shadow of Nehru.

This is not about Rahul Gandhi seeking votes on the basis of his genes. This is about Modi being inferior to Nehru. And the world's most powerful knowing this.

Modi isn't even close to being the best BJP PM. It took him a second term to find a Kashmir to equal Vajpayee's nuclear test, something Vajpayee did in his first proper term. In his first term, Masterji successfully set fire to Kashmir after the relative prior quiet. Let's not even start on the other ruin Masterji has gone about.

You need to start accepting reality, crying like a little 2 year old girl is not going to change the fact that Modi and BJP is here to stay for a long time... Unfortunately for you, little child in diapers Rahul Gandhi, an All time great fraud in Robby Vadra and the ultimate kingpin fraud and string puller catholic Italian Ammayi Sonya is not ever coming back to power, so ...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Rahul little boy Gandhi should have been the PM of India.

It would have turned out like this, during the Rahul & Imran meet:

Imran: Hello Betta, come here, sit next to me

Rahul: 'All shy" Haaaiii Uncle Imran

Imran: Now Betta, here is a big block of diary milk chocolate for you.

Rahul: Oh Uncle Imrann thank you, thank you sooo muchh

Imran: 'Smiles' Now betta sign over Indian Kashmir to uncle Imran.

Rahul: Oh but but, I have to talk to my mommy Sonya.

Imran: Betta you are a big boy and a good one also, you don't need to ask your mommy before you make every decision in life.

Rahul: But but uncle,

Imran: Pappu, ohh sorry I meant Betta, here is another block of Dairy milk chocolate, have it

Rahul: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Thank you, Thank you Uncle Imran,


&

Signs over Indian Kashmir to Pakistan.

Imran, Calls China: Your Excellency Xi JinPing, I have never met anyone this dumb as that kid Gandhi in my whole life, if you want to take over India, now is the time


All problems solved )

 

[pillionrider]

You need to start accepting reality, crying like a little 2 year old girl is not going to change the fact...

Don't 2 year old boys cry? Or were you all brought up like Masterji in a goshala among powerful oxen where folks don't cry.

... BJP is here to stay for a long time...

Has Masterji extended his kingdom to Australia?

Unfortunately for you, little child in diapers Rahul Gandhi, an All time great fraud in Robby Vadra and the ultimate kingpin fraud and string puller catholic Italian Ammayi Sonya is not ever coming back to power, so ...

lol you're not even trying to be subtle nowadays. The other day it was about how Nehru was a Muslim who married a Pandit, as if that somehow would justify his criticism and make him a lesser man. Now it's catholic Sonia

Sonia Gandhi shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a political position of power, not because of her religion or the fact that she is of Italian ethnicity, but because of her corruption and arrogance that has destroyed important alliances for the Congress across the country. None bigger in recent times than her treatment of Jagan and family from Andhra.

Rahul little boy Gandhi should have been the PM of India.

It would have turned out like this, during the Rahul & Imran meet:

Imran: Hello Betta, come here, sit next to me

Rahul: 'All shy" Haaaiii Uncle Imran

Imran: Now Betta, here is a big block of diary milk chocolate for you.

Rahul: Oh Uncle Imrann thank you, thank you sooo muchh

Imran: 'Smiles' Now betta sign over Indian Kashmir to uncle Imran.

Rahul: Oh but but, I have to talk to my mommy Sonya.

Imran: Betta you are a big boy and a good one also, you don't need to ask your mommy before you make every decision in life.

Rahul: But but uncle,

Imran: Pappu, ohh sorry I meant Betta, here is another block of Dairy milk chocolate, have it

Rahul: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Thank you, Thank you Uncle Imran,


&

Signs over Indian Kashmir to Pakistan.

Imran, Calls China: Your Excellency Xi JinPing, I have never met anyone this dumb as that kid Gandhi in my whole life, if you want to take over India, now is the time


All problems solved )

Not funny here. Try your Whatsapp University. You might earn a few credits there and get a degree like your Masterji in Entire Political Science

 

[PakLFC]

There were more people protesting outside then those inside listening to Modi's drivel. Political speeches bore me especially when made by illiterates.

 

[Lonewarrior]

All is well, Enjoy.

 

[Lonewarrior]

All is well, Enjoy.

@5:10
Goodluck to Indian muslims.

 

[kk1992]

All is well, Enjoy.

That is scary.

But not surprise as you hear many indian (NRI) and local Indian repeat the same thing over and over on this forum and other forums.

 

[Abdullah719]

All is well, Enjoy.

Imagine if mainstream politicians in Pakistan would hold rallies saying that Muslims need to be armed with AK-47s and talwaars in preparation for war against a minority.

 

[Kriketer]

All is well, Enjoy.

Boggles my mind how can one support such a pathetic fascist party? It's like if we were to get extreme version of Taliban in Pakistan and most start supporting it, which will never happen as we are a mature nation... a nation which is not constantly fed hatred for others like our neighbours.

BJP is a pathetic party and all the supporters of it lack brain cells and are filled with hatred which is showcased either openly or secretly... "mu mein Ram Ram aur baghal mein chuuri" fits them perfectly well. No wonder India is economically and socially struggling under BJP, you can never progress when your leaders are illeterate jahil gawar with the moto of spreading hatered and agony. Hopefully sane educated folks there will overcome the hateful tide and this fascist party.

 

[Romali_rotti]

lol you're not even trying to be subtle nowadays. The other day it was about how Nehru was a Muslim who married a Pandit, as if that somehow would justify his criticism and make him a lesser man. Now it's catholic Sonia

Who said Nehru was a muslim again ? , Ahh cant wait for this reply from the little Congy stooj.....

Ohh sorry I forgot to add, Italian, Catholic, Waitress.

 

[RanveerSingh]

Rahul little boy Gandhi should have been the PM of India.

It would have turned out like this, during the Rahul & Imran meet:

Imran: Hello Betta, come here, sit next to me

Rahul: 'All shy" Haaaiii Uncle Imran

Imran: Now Betta, here is a big block of diary milk chocolate for you.

Rahul: Oh Uncle Imrann thank you, thank you sooo muchh

Imran: 'Smiles' Now betta sign over Indian Kashmir to uncle Imran.

Rahul: Oh but but, I have to talk to my mommy Sonya.

Imran: Betta you are a big boy and a good one also, you don't need to ask your mommy before you make every decision in life.

Rahul: But but uncle,

Imran: Pappu, ohh sorry I meant Betta, here is another block of Dairy milk chocolate, have it

Rahul: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Thank you, Thank you Uncle Imran,


&

Signs over Indian Kashmir to Pakistan.

Imran, Calls China: Your Excellency Xi JinPing, I have never met anyone this dumb as that kid Gandhi in my whole life, if you want to take over India, now is the time


All problems solved )

Problems solved by Modi since 2014:

1. I will bring the Black Money instead he took money from RBI
2. Demonetization is for cashless economy and it will destroy terrorism. Balakot happened after that and there is more cash in Indian economy then before 2016.
3. I will create 100 smart cities. Not a single one on ground.
4. Digital india
5. Make in India( Manufacturing growth is stalling).
6. Swach Bharat and most of the Indian cities are top of the dirtiest cities list.
7. Corruption free Government. Rafael scam, Chota Modi, Mehul Bhai says Hi.
8. I will create 2 crore jobs per year but here people are losing jobs and unemployment at record levels.
9. Farmers income will be double but its only Adani and Ambanis are getting rich.
10. Promised transparent government but diluted RTI act.
11. Destroyed integrity of Judiciary, Election commission, RBI and Income tax departments.
12. Brought terrorists to Parliament (Sadhvi Pragya)
13. Mob lynching is the preferred time pass for Modi followers and Government doing nothing about it.
14. Lost a plane,Helicopter that killed 6 Airmen and One pilot captured and yet he Celebrated Balakot episode as victory.

15. No inquiry on Pulwama to find out how the incident happened and how so much RDX entered into Kashmir because it benefitted some one in elections.

The man who can made her mother stand in line for sympathy should not be anywhere near the top post.

He betrayed his mother, wife, guru(Advani) and people of India are thinking he is second coming of Lord Rama.

These NRIs are also one weird group. They love everything about India but just don't want to live there.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Problems solved by Modi since 2014:


1. I will bring the Black Money instead he took money from RBI
2. Demonetization is for cashless economy and it will destroy terrorism. Balakot happened after that and there is more cash in Indian economy then before 2016.
3. I will create 100 smart cities. Not a single one on ground.
4. Digital india
5. Make in India( Manufacturing growth is stalling).
6. Swach Bharat and most of the Indian cities are top of the dirtiest cities list.
7. Corruption free Government. Rafael scam, Chota Modi, Mehul Bhai says Hi.
8. I will create 2 crore jobs per year but here people are losing jobs and unemployment at record levels.
9. Farmers income will be double but its only Adani and Ambanis are getting rich.
10. Promised transparent government but diluted RTI act.
11. Destroyed integrity of Judiciary, Election commission, RBI and Income tax departments.
12. Brought terrorists to Parliament (Sadhvi Pragya)
13. Mob lynching is the preferred time pass for Modi followers and Government doing nothing about it.
14. Lost a plane,Helicopter that killed 6 Airmen and One pilot captured and yet he Celebrated Balakot episode as victory.

15. No inquiry on Pulwama to find out how the incident happened and how so much RDX entered into Kashmir because it benefitted some one in elections.

The man who can made her mother stand in line for sympathy should not be anywhere near the top post.

He betrayed his mother, wife, guru(Advani) and people of India are thinking he is second coming of Lord Rama.

These NRIs are also one weird group. They love everything about India but just don't want to live there.

Yeah I agree. RAUL VINCI should have been the PM of India currently...

 

[Napa]

Another issue with BJP ******* is them blaming every damn shortcoming on Nehru, but never will they give credit for the positive stuff. How long can they continue doing that, it has been over 5 years since their heroes have been in crushing majority in Centre and many major states. <b>About time they stop bringing a man who died in the early 60s to defend the current regime.</b> Nehru is also not responsible for how current Congress politicians act and function, let the man rest in peace.

Cute, very cute. It was not some BJP supporter who brought Nehru into this conversation, it was actually you. Post #114 is the first time Nehru was mentioned in this thread.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] [MENTION=150746]SakunaPataka[/MENTION]

 

[pillionrider]

Who said Nehru was a muslim again ? , Ahh cant wait for this reply from the little Congy stooj.....

You seem to be getting old. Memory loss...

Nehru was the biggest curse to India, the way he handled the China conflict was beyond pathetic. A few things I heard about Nehru, not sure if it is true, apparently the below was written by his PA Mathai (my very own fellow Malayalee)

- Jinnah, Nehru & Sheikh Abdullah all had the same father ?
- Nehru was not a Pandit, he married a Pandit.
- He was a muslim by birth and was advised to change his name by Gandhi himself.
- Nehru was a anti -hindu, he allegedly once said, I am muslim by birth, Christian by heart and hindu by accident.

Ohh sorry I forgot to add, Italian, Catholic, Waitress.

And yet you continue to live in a country where the majority identify as Christians. Must be painful. Can't even vote for Masterji

You keep mentioning this waitress thing as though it's some cheap job. By that logic, what about your tea-seller. Did they work together?

 

[MP2011]

Boggles my mind how can one support such a pathetic fascist party? It's like if we were to get extreme version of Taliban in Pakistan and most start supporting it, which will never happen as we are a mature nation... a nation which is not constantly fed hatred for others like our neighbours.

BJP is a pathetic party and all the supporters of it lack brain cells and are filled with hatred which is showcased either openly or secretly... "mu mein Ram Ram aur baghal mein chuuri" fits them perfectly well. No wonder India is economically and socially struggling under BJP, you can never progress when your leaders are illeterate jahil gawar with the moto of spreading hatered and agony. Hopefully sane educated folks there will overcome the hateful tide and this fascist party.

Bharat Jalao Party's stooges are biggest **** in this universe.

In their blatant hate for Muslims, they don't care the depths India has fallen into. And the future is even more horrendous.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Cute, very cute. It was not some BJP supporter who brought Nehru into this conversation, it was actually you. Post #114 is the first time Nehru was mentioned in this thread.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] [MENTION=150746]SakunaPataka[/MENTION]

Nehru was the biggest curse for India and I would say Pakistan also. Had he let Indian army take back all of Kashmir the sub continent would have been a much peaceful place:

- Pakistan wouldn't have this obsession where they are hell bent on Kashmir even though their economy is just about shot, currently on the FAFT grey list looking at possible promotion to the Black list. But that's the least of their worries, it's all about Kashmir or bust.

- India would not have to place so much military resources in Kashmir today, use that money on its own infrastructure and economy...

60 years of Kon artist Congress rule has put the hand brakes on India and it's about time we found a PM who is willing to undo some of the damage. PM Modi is 50,000 the man that fraud Nehru was, just the fact BJP won with such big margin shows that India no longer wants the Italian waitresses, mentally handicapped sons, fraud Vadras etc ruining the country... On the contrary I do feel sorry for the Congress stooges they have no power no voice and are down to crying on a Pakistani messageboard to vent their frustration. )

 

[Romali_rotti]

You seem to be getting old. Memory loss...

Memory loss he says, you seem to have comprehension issue child, go re-read my post again with an elder who understands ENGLISH. Show me where I said that Nehru was indeed a muslim as a FACT...



And yet you continue to live in a country where the majority identify as Christians. Must be painful. Can't even vote for Masterji

Majority Identify themselves as Christians not Catholic

You keep mentioning this waitress thing as though it's some cheap job. By that logic, what about your tea-seller. Did they work together?

Again child, there is a big difference between an Italian Waitress that slept her way through to gaining control in Indian politics to a boy that started with humble beginnings who became a man of steel, going onto lead the nation.

......

 

[Swashbuckler]

Cute, very cute. It was not some BJP supporter who brought Nehru into this conversation, it was actually you. Post #114 is the first time Nehru was mentioned in this thread.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] [MENTION=150746]SakunaPataka[/MENTION]

What is it in #114? A couple of tweets (authentic yeah really happened) about the event followed by Slog asking a question.

BJP supporters don't use Nehru as a punching bag? Why does Modi get rattled on hearing Nehru's mention then? You want evidence? From PP? From this thread?

What happened to making productive use of your time that suddenly you quoted my post? I thought you elevated your soul to a level much above these worldly matters after we started venturing deep about India's so called missed chance at getting UNSC permanent seat.

 

[Napa]

What is it in #114? A couple of tweets (authentic yeah really happened) about the event followed by Slog asking a question.

BJP supporters don't use Nehru as a punching bag? Why does Modi get rattled on hearing Nehru's mention then? You want evidence? From PP? From this thread?

What happened to making productive use of your time that suddenly you quoted my post? I thought you elevated your soul to a level much above these worldly matters after we started venturing deep about India's so called missed chance at getting UNSC permanent seat.

You are such a drama queen. You first introduce Nehru into this thread laughing at Modi saying "LOL irony dead." (#114).

Then your pal Slog responds #116. You again go after Modi "Modi hates Nehru... every foreign country he goes he is forced to listen to others praising Gandhi/Nehru..." (#118).

#SakunaPataka posts a neutral response "instead of indulging in this silly point scoring online battles like hormonal teenagers I suggest you engage in some meaningful discussion on topics that you care about. Believe me you will get some proper answers and explanations be it Nehru or Rahul" (#120).

You follow up by posting a photoshopped image with the message "Poor Modi, just can't come out of the shadow of Pandit Nehru. No matter what he does he will always be a pygmy in front of India's first PM."

Fine, we get it. You hate Modi and you feel one way to disparage him is to compare him to Nehru, which you do repeatedly.

Then some posters like me, [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION], and [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] make some posts about Nehru's flaws, you complain that "Another issue with BJP ******* is them blaming every damn shortcoming on Nehru... About time they stop bringing a man who died in the early 60s to defend the current regime" (#273). You are so fake.

 

[Slog]

You are such a drama queen. You first introduce Nehru into this thread laughing at Modi saying "LOL irony dead." (#114).

Then your pal Slog responds #116. You again go after Modi "Modi hates Nehru... every foreign country he goes he is forced to listen to others praising Gandhi/Nehru..." (#118).

#SakunaPataka posts a neutral response "instead of indulging in this silly point scoring online battles like hormonal teenagers I suggest you engage in some meaningful discussion on topics that you care about. Believe me you will get some proper answers and explanations be it Nehru or Rahul" (#120).

You follow up by posting a photoshopped image with the message "Poor Modi, just can't come out of the shadow of Pandit Nehru. No matter what he does he will always be a pygmy in front of India's first PM."

Fine, we get it. You hate Modi and you feel one way to disparage him is to compare him to Nehru, which you do repeatedly.

Then some posters like me, [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION], and [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] make some posts about Nehru's flaws, you complain that "Another issue with BJP ******* is them blaming every damn shortcoming on Nehru... About time they stop bringing a man who died in the early 60s to defend the current regime" (#273). You are so fake.

Why are you so flustered and all over the place?

 

[Napa]

What happened to making productive use of your time that suddenly you quoted my post?

I said I wouldn't follow up on Nehru unless provided evidence that I had missed. My last two posts have been about you dragging Nehru into the conversation and then writing "About time they [BJP] stop bringing a man who died in the early 60s to defend the current regime".

 

[Napa]

Why are you so flustered and all over the place?

I assume that you find it difficult to comprehend the meaning of posts whose length is more than a couple of sentences. Can't help you there

 

[Swashbuckler]

You are such a drama queen. You first introduce Nehru into this thread laughing at Modi saying "LOL irony dead." (#114).

Then your pal Slog responds #116. You again go after Modi "Modi hates Nehru... every foreign country he goes he is forced to listen to others praising Gandhi/Nehru..." (#118).

#SakunaPataka posts a neutral response "instead of indulging in this silly point scoring online battles like hormonal teenagers I suggest you engage in some meaningful discussion on topics that you care about. Believe me you will get some proper answers and explanations be it Nehru or Rahul" (#120).

You follow up by posting a photoshopped image with the message "Poor Modi, just can't come out of the shadow of Pandit Nehru. No matter what he does he will always be a pygmy in front of India's first PM."

Fine, we get it. You hate Modi and you feel one way to disparage him is to compare him to Nehru, which you do repeatedly.

Then some posters like me, [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION], and [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] make some posts about Nehru's flaws, you complain that "Another issue with BJP ******* is them blaming every damn shortcoming on Nehru... About time they stop bringing a man who died in the early 60s to defend the current regime" (#273). You are so fake.

Ah so you want to engage now. All that 'I am above all these things' message was merely an escape route once you were caught lying.

I don't even know who this Sakuna character is, new poster with whom I had never engaged before this. But he didn't back up his words, couldn't give me proper explanations or answers. Then he disappeared, can't take such a guy seriously.

You were the one who quoted me (#152) before your mate Sakuna went on a personal tirade talking about Pulwama response and what not. I wasn't even active on PP during that time. Then that UNSC lie which he propagated backed by you and others. Till now you haven't been able to counter, in #152 you wanted meaningful contrary facts, when provided with them you chose to take the exit route. Pretty spineless if you ask me, inventing blatant lies and when confronted with the other side running away. Even the arguments behind that lie are so devoid of logic.

And good job taking a general comment as personal jibe, I don't stoop to the level of BJP supporters here. I haven't tagged/quoted posters and questioned their nationality or patriotism. If you can't handle the heat get out. If you want to discuss Nehru's faults I won't mind, I didn't object when you brought India's poor economic performance under him or the 62 war. But if there are contentious points don't expect to get away easily. If you believe BJP supporters here don't smear Nehru to show BJP in good light, you are delusional. Check post #174 by your buddy Romalli. Is that 'making points about Nehrus flaws'?

 

[Napa]

Ah so you want to engage now. All that 'I am above all these things' message was merely an escape route once you were caught lying.

I don't even know who this Sakuna character is, new poster with whom I had never engaged before this. But he didn't back up his words, couldn't give me proper explanations or answers. Then he disappeared, can't take such a guy seriously.

You were the one who quoted me (#152) before your mate Sakuna went on a personal tirade talking about Pulwama response and what not. I wasn't even active on PP during that time. Then that UNSC lie which he propagated backed by you and others. Till now you haven't been able to counter, in #152 you wanted meaningful contrary facts, when provided with them you chose to take the exit route. Pretty spineless if you ask me, inventing blatant lies and when confronted with the other side running away. Even the arguments behind that lie are so devoid of logic.

And good job taking a general comment as personal jibe, I don't stoop to the level of BJP supporters here. I haven't tagged/quoted posters and questioned their nationality or patriotism. If you can't handle the heat get out. If you want to discuss Nehru's faults I won't mind, I didn't object when you brought India's poor economic performance under him or the 62 war. But if there are contentious points don't expect to get away easily. If you believe BJP supporters here don't smear Nehru to show BJP in good light, you are delusional. Check post #174 by your buddy Romalli. Is that 'making points about Nehrus flaws'?

A labored attempt at deflecting from the issue I raised. It remains obvious to anyone with two brain cells capable of rubbing against each other that you dragged Nehru into this thread and then in a very drama queen like fashion turned around and said "About time they [BJP] stop bringing a man who died in the early 60s to defend the current regime". You are the one who brought repeatedly Nehru into the conversation, not BJP supporters.

No more replies from me on this unless I see something intelligent.

 

[Swashbuckler]

A labored attempt at deflecting from the issue I raised. It remains obvious to anyone with two brain cells capable of rubbing against each other that you dragged Nehru into this thread and then in a very drama queen like fashion turned around and said "About time they [BJP] stop bringing a man who died in the early 60s to defend the current regime". You are the one who brought repeatedly Nehru into the conversation, not BJP supporters.

No more replies from me on this unless I see something intelligent.

Hey man, I will end this conversation right now. Not a fan of engaging with falsehoods or cowardice, worse when someone shows both traits. No more wasting time, so g'bye. For future reference as well, I am here for timepass, not to pick up petty fights.

 

[Slog]

I assume that you find it difficult to comprehend the meaning of posts whose length is more than a couple of sentences. Can't help you there

Aww good attempted comeback.

Keep at it you’ll get better

 

[kk1992]

Hey man, I will end this conversation right now. Not a fan of engaging with falsehoods or cowardice, worse when someone shows both traits. No more wasting time, so g'bye. For future reference as well, I am here for timepass, not to pick up petty fights.

Not a single RSS member on this forum can defend the actions of RSS and BJP while holding on to moral fabric.

It is just not possible.

 

[MP2011]

Aww good attempted comeback.

Keep at it you’ll get better

This is their standard operating procedure. Don't have any facts to respond, just respond with abuse.

 

[ahsan17]

I haven't read this thread much, but I have a curiosity about India media.

In any healthy democracy, you will have media outlets on varying degrees of political spectrum. Centrist, center right, center left, progressive, etc. However, in India, it seems every single media outlet is anywhere from pro-Modi to extremely pro-Modi.

Leaving aside online media, some of which appears to be less pro-Modi, there is literally zero diversity in the India mainstream media. This should remind people of facism in how conformity of opinion seems to be getting stronger and stronger in Indian media, but also in India in general.

There is some online media that are not very popular that are not out and out pro-Modi. Many of them are forced to go pro-Modi and praise him when it obviously doesn't align with what they published just few days or weeks ago. E.g., the print ended up endorsing the Balakot strikes despite overwhelming evidence that the targets were never hit. They would generally question claims like that which are backed by overwhelming evidence against them, but the abuse they received likely forced them to do a ceremonious approval of the strikes.

 

[Realromeo]

OMGGG Indian Accent and Texas accents two of the most attractive accents in the world .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I haven't read this thread much, but I have a curiosity about India media.

In any healthy democracy, you will have media outlets on varying degrees of political spectrum. Centrist, center right, center left, progressive, etc. However, in India, it seems every single media outlet is anywhere from pro-Modi to extremely pro-Modi.

Leaving aside online media, some of which appears to be less pro-Modi, there is literally zero diversity in the India mainstream media. This should remind people of facism in how conformity of opinion seems to be getting stronger and stronger in Indian media, but also in India in general.

There is some online media that are not very popular that are not out and out pro-Modi. Many of them are forced to go pro-Modi and praise him when it obviously doesn't align with what they published just few days or weeks ago. E.g., the print ended up endorsing the Balakot strikes despite overwhelming evidence that the targets were never hit. They would generally question claims like that which are backed by overwhelming evidence against them, but the abuse they received likely forced them to do a ceremonious approval of the strikes.

I don't think it's fascism, maybe just lack of intelligence and/or impartiality. This is quite common with less developed nations so perhaps we should not be that critical. You just have to look at the baying mobs idolising a murderous zealot like Modi because they think he is a 'strongman leader'. I'm not talking about India either, I'm talking about the crowds in Texas where you have supposedly highly intelligent CEOs who are world class businessmen according to fans on here.

I would compare Indian media with the Indian film industry which is also childish when compared with other more developed film industries like Hollywood.

 

[mustang]

I haven't read this thread much, but I have a curiosity about India media.

In any healthy democracy, you will have media outlets on varying degrees of political spectrum. Centrist, center right, center left, progressive, etc. However, in India, it seems every single media outlet is anywhere from pro-Modi to extremely pro-Modi.

Leaving aside online media, some of which appears to be less pro-Modi, there is literally zero diversity in the India mainstream media. This should remind people of facism in how conformity of opinion seems to be getting stronger and stronger in Indian media, but also in India in general.

There is some online media that are not very popular that are not out and out pro-Modi. Many of them are forced to go pro-Modi and praise him when it obviously doesn't align with what they published just few days or weeks ago. E.g., the print ended up endorsing the Balakot strikes despite overwhelming evidence that the targets were never hit. They would generally question claims like that which are backed by overwhelming evidence against them, but the abuse they received likely forced them to do a ceremonious approval of the strikes.

I do not follow Indian media closely but it is sad if what you say (all media are only pro-Modi with no contrarian views) is true.

This happens when there is a current leader seemingly strong personality (who also happens to be a skilled orator/marketeer) AND there is a void in good quality opposing political leadership. Think Churchill, Hitler - you can see a similar scenario. I think the Indians lack quality contrarian leadership now. Whom do they have to press opposing views - Rahul Gandhi and his Italian stooges? Their dynastic rule inspires nobody (similar to how people felt when Hillary ran against Trump here).

Now these conditions usually create a perfect breeding ground for media to be swayed towards a more narrow political perspective - which is what is happening in India.

 

[ahsan17]

I don't think it's fascism, maybe just lack of intelligence and/or impartiality. This is quite common with less developed nations so perhaps we should not be that critical. You just have to look at the baying mobs idolising a murderous zealot like Modi because they think he is a 'strongman leader'. I'm not talking about India either, I'm talking about the crowds in Texas where you have supposedly highly intelligent CEOs who are world class businessmen according to fans on here.

I would compare Indian media with the Indian film industry which is also childish when compared with other more developed film industries like Hollywood.

I guess we don't have data to compare to other developing countries. Most of them are dictatorships and the ones that are democracy aren't clear. It still reeks of fascism to me, in how much conformity is present in India media.

I do not follow Indian media closely but it is sad if what you say (all media are only pro-Modi with no contrarian views) is true.

This happens when there is a current leader seemingly strong personality (who also happens to be a skilled orator/marketeer) AND there is a void in good quality opposing political leadership. Think Churchill, Hitler - you can see a similar scenario. I think the Indians lack quality contrarian leadership now. Whom do they have to press opposing views - Rahul Gandhi and his Italian stooges? Their dynastic rule inspires nobody (similar to how people felt when Hillary ran against Trump here).

Now these conditions usually create a perfect breeding ground for media to be swayed towards a more narrow political perspective - which is what is happening in India.

I think Indian posters (at least those that are not out and out pro-Modi) would be able to confirm that the mainstream media has no diversity when it comes to Modi.

 

[JaDed]

I guess we don't have data to compare to other developing countries. Most of them are dictatorships and the ones that are democracy aren't clear. It still reeks of fascism to me, in how much conformity is present in India media.



I think Indian posters (at least those that are not out and out pro-Modi) would be able to confirm that the mainstream media has no diversity when it comes to Modi.

It depends for example Ravish who won the award recently has huge following and and is mainstream and against BJP.

NDTV is somewhat against and The Hindu and The wire are complete leftists.

I subscribe to the wire ,and I don’t care even if they are anti-BJP to a biased level.

Karan Thappar joined them and is already creating an effect.

 

[SakunaPataka]

After me reciting Ramayana you are asking me is Sita the husband of Ram. I have made my points across quite a few posts, some additional replies to joshila. If you want go through them, or forget it. No use stalling the discussion.

If you have short attention span there is no use for debate. There can't be 30 word replies to fairly complicated questions, those gems are best left to WA groups. And what is this yes/no business? Are we filling some survey form for a skincare product? I generally don't waste too much time on political topics, but if I do I intend to see it to a logical conclusion.

I cannot be bothered to go thru your copious vomit. And Iam actually very happy with my judgement that was spot on in not wasting time in reading much of your nonsense. I mean in another thread you said 26/11 was due to non-state actors. Bloody hell !

As for US offering India UN seat ... yes it did happen and others have schooled you properly on that. Deal with it.

 

[SakunaPataka]

It depends for example Ravish who won the award recently has huge following and and is mainstream and against BJP.

NDTV is somewhat against and The Hindu and The wire are complete leftists.

I subscribe to the wire ,and I don’t care even if they are anti-BJP to a biased level.

Karan Thappar joined them and is already creating an effect.

And then you have the cheek to spew venom against BJP supporters for various reasons. Karan Thappar ... Really ? Have some shame.