I’m not the only factor behind Pakistan team's bad performance : Misbah-ul-Haq

[MenInG]

Lahore: Pakistan men’s team head coach Misbah-ul-Haq thinks that he is not the only factor behind the national team’s bad performances over the past year.

The 46-year-old Misbah will appear before the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) cricket committee along with bowling coach Waqar Younis after the team’s disappointing performance on the tour of New Zealand.

Misbah wants the cricket committee to do ‘fact-based analysis’ which will further help the cricket of Pakistan.

“We have to understand all factors behind team’s defeat. There can’t just be me behind the dipping in performances. Nothing will change If one person leaves the system but we must address all the problems realistically,” Misbah said in a presser at Gaddafi Stadium.

Misbah took responsibility for the team’s defeat but wants critics to understand the reasons behind failures.

“The players worked hard in the available resources and conditions after going through a tough quarantine in New Zealand,” he added.

“COVID-19 is impacting not just our performances but it has affected other teams like India and Sri Lanka too. Cricket is completely changing due to the virus but now we have to get accustomed to this,” he maintained.

Misbah believes skipper Babar Azam’s injury was also the biggest factor behind the defeat. “Babar’s injury was a big miss for us as he has been among runs in the past year or so. His absence was equaled to New Zealand playing without Kane Williamson,” he added.

“We should also accept that the Blackcaps were better than us in all three departments. They have been playing good cricket for the past couple of years. We also tried our best on the field during the series but unfortunately, results did not go our way,” he maintained.

https://arysports.tv/im-not-only-factor-pakistans-team-bad-performance-misbah/

 

[Savak]

Story of Misbah's life. It's never his fault

 

[Rana]

But he was the Chief selector, Head coach and God knows what else.

The bulk of the responsibility was on his shoulders.

 

[Rana]

Where are those people who say Mickey Arthur was the one making dumb, arrogant comments about his coaching?

 

[gazza619]

He is right.

Waqar is to blame as well.

 

[TheSultan]

Lahore: Pakistan men’s team head coach Misbah-ul-Haq thinks that he is not the only factor behind the national team’s bad performances over the past year.

The 46-year-old Misbah will appear before the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) cricket committee along with bowling coach Waqar Younis after the team’s disappointing performance on the tour of New Zealand.

Misbah wants the cricket committee to do ‘fact-based analysis’ which will further help the cricket of Pakistan.

“We have to understand all factors behind team’s defeat. There can’t just be me behind the dipping in performances. Nothing will change If one person leaves the system but we must address all the problems realistically,” Misbah said in a presser at Gaddafi Stadium.

Misbah took responsibility for the team’s defeat but wants critics to understand the reasons behind failures.

“The players worked hard in the available resources and conditions after going through a tough quarantine in New Zealand,” he added.

“COVID-19 is impacting not just our performances but it has affected other teams like India and Sri Lanka too. Cricket is completely changing due to the virus but now we have to get accustomed to this,” he maintained.

Misbah believes skipper Babar Azam’s injury was also the biggest factor behind the defeat. “Babar’s injury was a big miss for us as he has been among runs in the past year or so. His absence was equaled to New Zealand playing without Kane Williamson,” he added.

“We should also accept that the Blackcaps were better than us in all three departments. They have been playing good cricket for the past couple of years. We also tried our best on the field during the series but unfortunately, results did not go our way,” he maintained.

https://arysports.tv/im-not-only-factor-pakistans-team-bad-performance-misbah/

How is Covid impacting India's performance? I'm against all the hyperbole around India's performances recently, but I must concede they have played very well even without their best batsman and captain.

Usual excuses by this man.

 

[Junaids]

What an idiot.

Covid has given his team many, many ADDITIONAL weeks to adapt to conditions in both England and New Zealand.

 

[Major]

He is right. Pakistan was losing well before aswell. And i ahve been watching this team foor 15 years now.

Bring in Woolmer, Bring Waqar, Bring in Whatmore, bring in Mohsin Ali, Bring in Arthur, Bring in Moin Khan, Bring in Lawson, Bring in Intikhab, Bring in Misbah

Results are always the same.

 

[aloo paratha]

He's right. Coach is never more to blame than the XI players on the field who collectively couldn't perform. No coach would've had us winning in NZ.

 

[Mamoon]

Misbah is implying that we are a horrific team and people should not expect miracles from the coach when the players are not good enough. I agree with him.

 

[Major]

Babar and everyone is to be blamed. Had this been Misbah the captain, they still would had blamed him.

Babar cant captain in test, bowlers are a joke. Naseem does absolutely nothing.

Fawad Alam performs one match, does nothing in 3 innings

 

[Major]

Misbah is implying that we are a horrific team and people should not expect miracles from the coach when the players are not good enough. I agree with him.

I used to hate how you were always bash the team for being ordinary. But now i see you are right.

What has changed in the last 15 years? We suck at world cups, we glorify winning t20s. If we have a 3 match test series and lose 2 and win one, we celebrate it. We celebrate drawn series.

We can't win series in NZ, England, Australia or South Afrioca. Next series will start we will see glimpses and become happy

 

[Savak]

Misbah is implying that we are a horrific team and people should not expect miracles from the coach when the players are not good enough. I agree with him.

Then the position of coach is redundant and not needed. Let the players fend for themselves, will make things a lot simpler

 

[Mamoon]

I used to hate how you were always bash the team for being ordinary. But now i see you are right.

What has changed in the last 15 years? We suck at world cups, we glorify winning t20s. If we have a 3 match test series and lose 2 and win one, we celebrate it. We celebrate drawn series.

We can't win series in NZ, England, Australia or South Afrioca. Next series will start we will see glimpses and become happy

Pakistan has been a terrible team for the best part of this decade. People can bash Misbah all they want, but the reality is that Misbah overachieved with his team.

He would have lost against India but that team was nowhere near good enough to go top of the rankings and it wouldn’t have climbed above 4/5 without Misbah.

Pakistan has zero talent, zero skill and zero mentality right now. People will keep focusing on Misbah as the sole problem because it is their coping mechanism. You remove Misbah and nothing will change.

Before Misbah, Arthur was getting smashed in UAE and he lost 25 of his last 35 ODIs. Same will happen after Misbah goes and a shiny new foreign coach arrives.

 

[Mamoon]

Then the position of coach is redundant and not needed. Let the players fend for themselves, will make things a lot simpler

That is why it a thankless job. Any coach who takes this job is simply putting himself in the firing line against delusional fans who are unwilling to accept the reality.

 

[Yk313]

Lahore: Pakistan men’s team head coach Misbah-ul-Haq thinks that he is not the only factor behind the national team’s bad performances over the past year.

The 46-year-old Misbah will appear before the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) cricket committee along with bowling coach Waqar Younis after the team’s disappointing performance on the tour of New Zealand.

Misbah wants the cricket committee to do ‘fact-based analysis’ which will further help the cricket of Pakistan.

“We have to understand all factors behind team’s defeat. There can’t just be me behind the dipping in performances. Nothing will change If one person leaves the system but we must address all the problems realistically,” Misbah said in a presser at Gaddafi Stadium.

Misbah took responsibility for the team’s defeat but wants critics to understand the reasons behind failures.

“The players worked hard in the available resources and conditions after going through a tough quarantine in New Zealand,” he added.

“COVID-19 is impacting not just our performances but it has affected other teams like India and Sri Lanka too. Cricket is completely changing due to the virus but now we have to get accustomed to this,” he maintained.

Misbah believes skipper Babar Azam’s injury was also the biggest factor behind the defeat. “Babar’s injury was a big miss for us as he has been among runs in the past year or so. His absence was equaled to New Zealand playing without Kane Williamson,” he added.

“We should also accept that the Blackcaps were better than us in all three departments. They have been playing good cricket for the past couple of years. We also tried our best on the field during the series but unfortunately, results did not go our way,” he maintained.

https://arysports.tv/im-not-only-factor-pakistans-team-bad-performance-misbah/

Good to see Misbah breaking his silence and opening up even if just to clear his own position.

The result would have been the same had it been someone else at the helm. Only microscopic differences (good or bad) could have taken place if at all. Maybe instead of losing by an innings in the 2nd test we could have lost by 10 wickets. Could possibly have snuck out a draw in the first game (with only one wicket to spare though). Nothing drastic. Could equally have been worse off.

Good to hear him openly imply that problems run far deeper. Also sounds like he is not going anywhere. The foreign coach rumours could have been for after his stint, if there is any truth to them at all.

Let’s be honest about it. No one can transform PAK cricket overnight given how deep the cancerous issues run. To think and argue as such, is to engage in an act of wilful intellectual dishonesty. Let’s avoid threads rife with hyperbole and rhetoric; misplaced comparisons only show the ineptitude of the followers and our players are a reflection of this.

 

[gazza619]

Misbah is implying that we are a horrific team and people should not expect miracles from the coach when the players are not good enough. I agree with him.

But surely when he selects Wahab for A squad, A Shafique for T20, Sohail Khan gets a regular nod for every tour, Naseem gets persisted with, questions need to be asked? I dont mind us failing as long as we are preparing to succeed..

Misbah/Waqar are the worst thing to have happened to our cricket.

 

[moghul]

He is just trying to divert the attention from his his own accountability, he should be talking about team's performance under his coaching .

 

[ritzy_123]

It's not his fault it's Pakistan's fault to select him as a player first then repeating the same mistake to bring him as a coach selector etc etc...

 

[Mamoon]

But surely when he selects Wahab for A squad, A Shafique for T20, Sohail Khan gets a regular nod for every tour, Naseem gets persisted with, questions need to be asked? I dont mind us failing as long as we are preparing to succeed..

Misbah/Waqar are the worst thing to have happened to our cricket.

If Misbah would have dropped Naseem after England tour, delusional cheerleaders would have blasted him for destroying his confidence.

Now that he picked him and Naseem “zero talent” Shah failed, he is getting blasted for destroying his confidence.

I can guarantee you that if Misbah picked Sohail or Imran over Naseem for the England series, the delusional cheerleaders who would have brought their AK-47s out and unloaded on Misbah for favoring oldies.

They would write stories on how Naseem would have blown England away and won the series for Pakistan.

The conclusion is that Misbah is not the problem; the problem is the exalted expectations of the delusional cheerleaders who are in perpetual denial and cannot make peace with the fact that Pakistan is a deeply mediocre cricket team.

 

[Savak]

That is why it a thankless job. Any coach who takes this job is simply putting himself in the firing line against delusional fans who are unwilling to accept the reality.

Don't think anyone put a gun to Misbah's head to accept this job therefore he doesn't deserve any sympathy. If the coach of a team indeed makes no difference then there should not be a coach in the first place then

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Wasim Khan(while appointing Misbah as coach cum selector): Misbah will be solely accountable for the performances of the team


Misbah(after a year): I am not only factor behind bad performance


Pakistan Cricket and Pakistan Cricket Board in a total mess

 

[gazza619]

If Misbah would have dropped Naseem after England tour, delusional cheerleaders would have blasted him for destroying his confidence.

Now that he picked him and Naseem “zero talent” Shah failed, he is getting blasted for destroying his confidence.

I can guarantee you that if Misbah picked Sohail or Imran over Naseem for the England series, the delusional cheerleaders who would have brought their AK-47s out and unloaded on Misbah for favoring oldies.

They would write stories on how Naseem would have blown England away and won the series for Pakistan.

The conclusion is that Misbah is not the problem; the problem is the exalted expectations of the delusional cheerleaders who are in perpetual denial and cannot make peace with the fact that Pakistan is a deeply mediocre cricket team.

I know what you are saying but there needs to be some thought process behind team selection which has been nothing but blunder after blunder for the last year or so and Misbah cant run away from that.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The coach's role is to help make even marginal improvements even if the team as a whole is mediocre. By blaming the lack of talent etc, you absolve Misbah of all blame. Forget test cricket, Pakistan's fortunes may not change in that format regardless of the coach but what exactly has been the reason for the regression of the T20 side. Mickey's T20 side was maybe a bit overrated but Misbah's T20 side is getting thumped left, right and centre. What is the reason for that? Surely Misbah should have a few. Guy was extremely optimistic before many tours about the performances of the team but when they fail, he conveniently blames it on Aamir (as if that trundler would have made any difference) and makes a long list of excuses.

Also, does not have the guts to face the media and sends Zafar and Naseem instead.

 

[TheSultan]

The point is not that a new coach will make us world beaters. The point is we need a new approach. I agree that we are a poor team and were unlikely to have changed any results regardless of who was in charge, but some changes in approach and strategy can improve your team.

Look at the first test Vs England last summer - we lost that because of our approach and we were lacking the right strategy. A better approach, a more positive approach, hell just a common sense approach would have changed that loss to a win.

This criticism applies to Waqar, Misbah and then captain Azhar. Azhar is gone, but the approach remains the same. These two are still in charge.

And if Misbah had come with some vision, some long term strategy, if he had given us some hope that although we are losing, he is moving forward with his long term vision or goal, then ok give him some more time.

There is no consistency in selection, there is no direction of where the team is going and there is no vision. Therefore both have to go.

 

[sshakir411]

Getting defensive. You sir were the coach, selector, and the person calling shots. Be a man and own up to your mistakes!

 

[TheSultan]

If Misbah would have dropped Naseem after England tour, delusional cheerleaders would have blasted him for destroying his confidence.

Now that he picked him and Naseem “zero talent” Shah failed, he is getting blasted for destroying his confidence.

I can guarantee you that if Misbah picked Sohail or Imran over Naseem for the England series, the delusional cheerleaders who would have brought their AK-47s out and unloaded on Misbah for favoring oldies.

They would write stories on how Naseem would have blown England away and won the series for Pakistan.

The conclusion is that Misbah is not the problem; the problem is the exalted expectations of the delusional cheerleaders who are in perpetual denial and cannot make peace with the fact that Pakistan is a deeply mediocre cricket team.

Regardless - if Misbah is that weak minded that he is making selections and strategies based on what others say he's not strong enough for the job in the first place.

Either way, he loses.

 

[PakPremi]

Don't think anyone put a gun to Misbah's head to accept this job therefore he doesn't deserve any sympathy. If the coach of a team indeed makes no difference then there should not be a coach in the first place then

I agree with this and there is no questions he has been selecting and playing wrong people for wrong format. Over reliance on Abbas and Yasir in every tour, eventually dropping Yasir and playing a spinner without grooming him in helpful conditions.Evwn with Naseem they should have known that Naseem is not presenting any skills with the bowl and then when he is not even bowling rapid fast then what use was giving him three overseas tours. Usman Qadir performed really well in his debut matches, yet he disappeared from T20s altogether instead an injured Shadab was played. BOTH Zafar G and Usman Q are quite capable batsmen. Iftikhar was played as an all rounder but I do not remember him bowling. There were so many selection issues in his tenure I could go on and on. Having said that the Pakistan team prepared under him is mediocre one, and this group of players would have lost badly under any coach.

 

[Savak]

The point is not that a new coach will make us world beaters. The point is we need a new approach. I agree that we are a poor team and were unlikely to have changed any results regardless of who was in charge, but some changes in approach and strategy can improve your team.

Look at the first test Vs England last summer - we lost that because of our approach and we were lacking the right strategy. A better approach, a more positive approach, hell just a common sense approach would have changed that loss to a win.

This criticism applies to Waqar, Misbah and then captain Azhar. Azhar is gone, but the approach remains the same. These two are still in charge.

And if Misbah had come with some vision, some long term strategy, if he had given us some hope that although we are losing, he is moving forward with his long term vision or goal, then ok give him some more time.

There is no consistency in selection, there is no direction of where the team is going and there is no vision. Therefore both have to go.

Ganguly changed the approach of Indian Cricket when he took over as captain. He talked about adopting a more aggressive attacking approach and many analysts mocked him i.e. wth is he talking about, he has such a mediocre side with mediocre bowlers. In his first series in charge, i saw the difference in approach already where Gary Kirsten used his feet to hit Sunil Joshi over his head for a couple of fours, most other captains would have reacted by keeping a fielder on the boundary line but Ganguly showed something different where the bowler was pleading with him to keep a fielder on the boundary for protection but Ganguly told him, no you keep enticing him, i am not keeping a fielder on the boundary, back then i knew that this man is offering something new and different to Indian Cricket and he is going to change the way the team plays.

Then under his leadership the team did well in the 2000 Champions Trophy, played out of their skins against the greatest Australian team in history at home in 2001 where the likes of Laxman, Dravid proved to the entire world that the team was moving away from Tendulkar dependancy. The team then went to South Africa where they faced a very tough series against potentially one of the greatest South African teams and players like Sehwag blossomed there. Then the team had a very tough home series against Nasser Hussain's England team.

Later in 2002 India faced a very tough England tour against the likes of Hoggard, Tudor, Flintoff, Harmison where they played out of their skins to draw 1-1 and won the Natwest tournament in incredible circumstances with Yuvraj, Kaif coming of age when the team was in a precarious position chasing 300 plus to win. That win showed and proved to the world that India can win from any position without Tendulkar.

India then toured the West Indies and had to battle it out against the WI who were a very solid team at home under Lara back then. Then they went to NZ where they faced one of the most difficult seaming pitches consistently throughout and even though they lost the test series 1-0, the odi series 3-2, the experience battle hardened them.

Then you had the 2003 ODI WC where a very battle hardened Indian team under Ganguly took revenge against an over the hill Pakistani team which was filled with players carrying on due to past laurels. But in these 3 years India under Ganguly played with a new vigor, self belief, confidence, attitude and i credit the captain for instilling these things in them. Indian Cricket has never ever looked like going backwards in the last 20 years

Similarly Misbah under his leadership from 2010 to 2017 had the opposite effect on Pakistan where safety, defensiveness was always the first priority. Pakistan right now will do well to have a Ganguly type leader at this point let alone an Imran Khan

 

[Babbar]

He’s right. We can blame the bad performance of Pakistan on India’s coach, Shastri. Anyway he’s everyone’s whipping boy these days.

 

[TheSultan]

Ganguly changed the approach of Indian Cricket when he took over as captain. He talked about adopting a more aggressive attacking approach and many analysts mocked him i.e. wth is he talking about, he has such a mediocre side with mediocre bowlers. In his first series in charge, i saw the difference in approach already where Gary Kirsten used his feet to hit Sunil Joshi over his head for a couple of fours, most other captains would have reacted by keeping a fielder on the boundary line but Ganguly showed something different where the bowler was pleading with him to keep a fielder on the boundary for protection but Ganguly told him, no you keep enticing him, i am not keeping a fielder on the boundary, back then i knew that this man is offering something new and different to Indian Cricket and he is going to change the way the team plays.

Then under his leadership the team did well in the 2000 Champions Trophy, played out of their skins against the greatest Australian team in history at home in 2001 where the likes of Laxman, Dravid proved to the entire world that the team was moving away from Tendulkar dependancy. The team then went to South Africa where they faced a very tough series against potentially one of the greatest South African teams and players like Sehwag blossomed there. Then the team had a very tough home series against Nasser Hussain's England team.

Later in 2002 India faced a very tough England tour against the likes of Hoggard, Tudor, Flintoff, Harmison where they played out of their skins to draw 1-1 and won the Natwest tournament in incredible circumstances with Yuvraj, Kaif coming of age when the team was in a precarious position chasing 300 plus to win. That win showed and proved to the world that India can win from any position without Tendulkar.

India then toured the West Indies and had to battle it out against the WI who were a very solid team at home under Lara back then. Then they went to NZ where they faced one of the most difficult seaming pitches consistently throughout and even though they lost the test series 1-0, the odi series 3-2, the experience battle hardened them.

Then you had the 2003 ODI WC where a very battle hardened Indian team under Ganguly took revenge against an over the hill Pakistani team which was filled with players carrying on due to past laurels. But in these 3 years India under Ganguly played with a new vigor, self belief, confidence, attitude and i credit the captain for instilling these things in them. Indian Cricket has never ever looked like going backwards in the last 20 years

Similarly Misbah under his leadership from 2010 to 2017 had the opposite effect on Pakistan where safety, defensiveness was always the first priority. Pakistan right now will do well to have a Ganguly type leader at this point let alone an Imran Khan

Yes, I think we in violent agreement!

 

[hitthestump]

Misbah is implying that we are a horrific team and people should not expect miracles from the coach when the players are not good enough. I agree with him.

But he is the coach, he cannot run away from the fact that there are many responsibilities that do fall under his wing, of which he's made about a million quantifiable errors. He should be justifying those decisions rather than trying to making excuses saying that the overall team performance is not his fault.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Misbah is implying that we are a horrific team and people should not expect miracles from the coach when the players are not good enough. I agree with him.

How can agree in selections like Sohail Khan, Wahab riaz, Ifthikar Ahmed, Kashif bhatti.

COVID has given him the luxury to go in early and get adapt to the conditions + taking a bunch of 60 odd ppl.

A very stubborn and defensive guy, who will always find reasons to blame others things, and not just him.

 

[Bigboii]

Yeah you're not the only factor but you're a pretty big factor

I must say

 

[ask_analyse_act]

He is the chief selector , he is the head coach, changed captains in all formats , appointed ad hoc captains for the series ... now he shouldn’t be blamed for the loss.

Didn’t they say he is accountable for the teams performance when giving him the dual role, which he accepted back then and now running away coward

 

[cricketAXEpert]

He is right. Pakistan was losing well before aswell. And i ahve been watching this team foor 15 years now.

Bring in Woolmer, Bring Waqar, Bring in Whatmore, bring in Mohsin Ali, Bring in Arthur, Bring in Moin Khan, Bring in Lawson, Bring in Intikhab, Bring in Misbah

Results are always the same.

No, they are not. you spanned 20 yrs of cricket. We beat NZ in NZ in 2010-2011 series. Southee & Kane Williamson were part of that team.

 

[dildilpak]

While i disagree with lot of Misbah tactics, i can sympathise with him on one thing - there is serious dearth of talent in Pakistan bench especially in test cricket. When we talk about replacing underperformers like Abbas & Yasir, its fine theoretically but replace with who? Its a shame that for an Asian country, we lack suitable spin options. When overhyped players are backing out of test cricket, he had the option of either going back to TTFs or blooding some greenhorns - either way he would have cropped criticism.

You may ditch Misbah & get the best coach in the world that money can buy, but even he can do zilch if the players are undercooked & lack talent + basic application skill, which can only be developed at junior/ FC level - not at senior level. Only reason we are still depending on has beens like Azhar Ali or Yasir or Abbas!

 

[deems]

Misbah is implying that we are a horrific team and people should not expect miracles from the coach when the players are not good enough. I agree with him.

Couldn't agree more.
If you look elsewhere, test players are brought through the ranks. Good first class seasons and then good A tours and finally an international cap.

In Pakistan, we have people crying out for youngsters and the selectors oblige by selecting players after 1 good season and throw them at the deep end. There isn't a consistent process in selection,grooming and investment in these youngsters.
And then wrong player ,wrong format comes to mind. Abdullah shafiq isn't a t20 players(at least yet and from what I've seen of him) and he was prematurely selected in t20. He'll make a great long format player. His confidence will be shattered after all that he went through in the last few weeks...He'll be doubting himself time and again.
The core of test team should be different from the ODI. Your main test fast bowlers should be specialists with all rounders being the across format pacers.

It's not just players, there isn't a process in the set up or tactical strategies. I'm no tactical planner but I would maybe try two fast bowling all rounders in SENA ODI and tests. Fahim,Yamin and Ammad butt are the options. Try the formula and see where it gets you. If it fails you, move on.

Only recently have we tried preparing back ups for current players. Eg wicket keeper slot. The reality is, even with Misbah and younis, we were shambles in SENA. Only in England we had an okay record.
Pakistan and Misbah especially stuck to their Guns throughout..like shahid Afridi and saeed Ajmal would play every game regardless of the series result.so would Hafeez and Younis etc.. so where, we should have been testing the bench strength, our seniors were stats padding even against Zimbabwe.
I can go on and on and on....

 

[naseem]

Escapist to the core

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Didn't he selected Shan '3 ducks' Masood. Not only he got 3 ducks he dropped catches. After 25 tests he averages under 30. How did he get to play 25. He plays a fluke good innings once in a blue moon and is useless in all other formats.
Shan should be dropped before he ends up playing 77 tests like Asad Shafiq.

 

[Rana]

Misbah is implying that we are a horrific team and people should not expect miracles from the coach when the players are not good enough. I agree with him.

Right.

So what was the point of changing Mickey Arthur and Sarfaraz?

 

[Shazzam]

He is just trying to divert the attention from his his own accountability, he should be talking about team's performance under his coaching .

Pretty much this. And it seems its working seeing the replys here. Very good masterstroke by him.

 

[Mamoon]

Right.

So what was the point of changing Mickey Arthur and Sarfaraz?

PCB has no choice but to throw mud at the wall hoping that it sticks. The fans however need to manage their expectations and realize that no coach can do wonders unless we get a set of 7-8 talented, skilled and mentally strong cricketers.

It is probably not going to happen but if it does, the fans will not need to hype these guys of desperation. They will speak for themselves in terms of performances.

Unless that happens, fans need to stop talking about sacking XYZ because it is not going to change anything.

Mohammad Wasim has been hyped as a messiah with the eye of an eagle, but nothing will come out of his tenure either because there is no talent in Pakistan. You can argue about 1-2 players at max, but not much will change in terms of results and the fledging status of the team.

 

[shah_1]

Misbah is right

Yeh we might have done 10% to 20% better without Misbah but is it enough? PCB need to understand that is serious lack of talent. Blaming it all on the coach is not the solution.

 

[Titan24]

By saying I am not the only factor he is admitting that he is also one of the factors. You dont have to be a rocket scientist to understand that you have to minimize the factors which are impacting the performance to improve as a side. Yes there are other factors but, that doesnt mean one factor can be ignored because there are other factors as well.

 

[Titan24]

Couldn't agree more.
If you look elsewhere, test players are brought through the ranks. Good first class seasons and then good A tours and finally an international cap.

Misbah was the chief selector for 1.5 years so he selected the players.

 

[Rana]

PCB has no choice but to throw mud at the wall hoping that it sticks. The fans however need to manage their expectations and realize that no coach can do wonders unless we get a set of 7-8 talented, skilled and mentally strong cricketers.

It is probably not going to happen but if it does, the fans will not need to hype these guys of desperation. They will speak for themselves in terms of performances.

Unless that happens, fans need to stop talking about sacking XYZ because it is not going to change anything.

Mohammad Wasim has been hyped as a messiah with the eye of an eagle, but nothing will come out of his tenure either because there is no talent in Pakistan. You can argue about 1-2 players at max, but not much will change in terms of results and the fledging status of the team.

So it’s just a mud throwing process with no thought process behind it? Why don’t we just appoint Ahmed Shahzad as the head coach of Pakistan cricket team?

 

[Titan24]

Misbah took the job while he new about all the other factors if he is referring to broader aspects that were already there. He should have communicated before taking the job that I wont take the blame of the performance because there are other factors. He knew about everything and still took the job and now to get away from accountability he is bringing in other factors.

Either he shouldn’t have taken the job if he knew he couldn’t do it due to different factors or he shouldn’t be using those factors as excuse now.

 

[Shazzam]

Right.

So what was the point of changing Mickey Arthur and Sarfaraz?

Honestly I would have rather stuck with Arthur than Misbah, If we were gonna go the route of accepting Pakistan’s mediocrity. I only see cricket dying as a sport in Pakistan if this continues. There is no reason to support a team with zero winning mentality. Look at India its about the heart.

 

[Rana]

Honestly I would have rather stuck with Arthur than Misbah, If we were gonna go the route of accepting Pakistan’s mediocrity. I only see cricket dying as a sport in Pakistan if this continues. There is no reason to support a team with zero winning mentality. Look at India its about the heart.

His response to this question is that the PCB is throwing mud at the wall hoping for it to stick in the case of Misbah ul Haq.

If that’s the case then let’s just make Shoaib Akhtar the head coach. At least we will become a team of Rappers on tour like NWA. Maybe we will have a movie on our players 20-30 years down the line

 

[Shafi]

He is right. Pakistan was losing well before aswell. And i ahve been watching this team foor 15 years now.

Bring in Woolmer, Bring Waqar, Bring in Whatmore, bring in Mohsin Ali, Bring in Arthur, Bring in Moin Khan, Bring in Lawson, Bring in Intikhab, Bring in Misbah

Results are always the same.

Your obsession with Misbah is like God to servant. We won many matches in NZ. When did you start watching cricket?

 

[Ryw]

Same old statement he used to gave when he was captain

"Mere janay sy kuch nai honay wala, we must see all factors behind defeat"

 

[Shafi]

Babar and everyone is to be blamed. Had this been Misbah the captain, they still would had blamed him.

Babar cant captain in test, bowlers are a joke. Naseem does absolutely nothing.

Fawad Alam performs one match, does nothing in 3 innings

Yeah blame Babar, Rizwan, Fahim, shaheen for the loss as well. Do you support Pakistan cricket or Misbah only?

 

[Markhor]

Despite occasional sparks of quality, Pakistan cricket has been declining for 20 years. There's a myriad of reasons from lack of County exposure, a weak domestic structure prior to 2019 and successive administrations who neglected our grassroots setup. Obviously one cannot pin all the blame at Misbah's door.

However whilst a coach is only as good as the raw ingredients they have - one must maximise the limited resources you have. In sport the motto "control the controllables" is often used. What can close the gap with your opponents is by reading conditions well, better tactical plans against the opposition, and nailing the basics like fielding/running between wickets.

The problem is Misbah and Waqar have made elementary errors. Broad showed the entire world how to bowl to Warner in the 2019 Ashes, yet in the 1st Test vs Australia we hardly went around the wicket with a right arm seamer. We barely tested Woakes' weakness against the short ball, even a junior captain would've had Naseem go around the wicket with a legslip and short leg.

What makes matters worse is haphazard selection policy, selecting players either too soon or when they're expired. There's never been a settled combination in any format. For that, Misbah can and should be accountable.

 

[Shafi]

PCB has no choice but to throw mud at the wall hoping that it sticks. The fans however need to manage their expectations and realize that no coach can do wonders unless we get a set of 7-8 talented, skilled and mentally strong cricketers.

It is probably not going to happen but if it does, the fans will not need to hype these guys of desperation. They will speak for themselves in terms of performances.

Unless that happens, fans need to stop talking about sacking XYZ because it is not going to change anything.

Mohammad Wasim has been hyped as a messiah with the eye of an eagle, but nothing will come out of his tenure either because there is no talent in Pakistan. You can argue about 1-2 players at max, but not much will change in terms of results and the fledging status of the team.

Let’s close down PCB then. By your logic if a son doesn’t have any talent then he should not be given any facility by his parents.

 

[unemployedgm]

Better management would catapult this team to better results.

 

[Shazzam]

His response to this question is that the PCB is throwing mud at the wall hoping for it to stick in the case of Misbah ul Haq.

If that’s the case then let’s just make Shoaib Akhtar the head coach. At least we will become a team of Rappers on tour like NWA. Maybe we will have a movie on our players 20-30 years down the line

His response is the same one he gives on every thread. A simple copy and paste. Lets not forget that the team losing constantly with this loser mentality not only effects our rankings it effects the nations interest in cricket as a whole. If we needed a coach that would tell us his version of reality in Pakistan cricket by diffusing blame going on to him. Than we were better off without him. Everyone knows the problems in Pakistan cricket run far deeper. By admitting it you are giving the impression you are simply not good enough to handle the pressure of running the team. How can you compare a unqualified coach with a coach whose qualified and say the results won’t be any different? To me this sounds like the same excuse he gave when he was captain of our ODI side. Or better yet the same excuse his fans gave about us not having batsmen who can help us score beyond 230. I don’t bye it man. I know we can do better than this.

 

[deems]

Misbah was the chief selector for 1.5 years so he selected the players.

They didn't come through the ranks, thats the issue. Naseem shah was fast tracked like no tomorrow for example.

 

[Shazzam]

They didn't come through the ranks, thats the issue. Naseem shah was fast tracked like no tomorrow for example.

Thats right Pakistan’s team selection has become a joke ever since he took over. It seems like any kid can join the team if they are in the good books of Misbah.

 

[Mamoon]

So it’s just a mud throwing process with no thought process behind it? Why don’t we just appoint Ahmed Shahzad as the head coach of Pakistan cricket team?

You can make Shehzad or Tendulkar the coach. Nothing will change. The players are not good enough.

 

[Savak]

You can make Shehzad or Tendulkar the coach. Nothing will change. The players are not good enough.

Then no need for a coach then. Useless position

 

[Ahson8]

But you are a major factor.

 

[Ahson8]

You can make Shehzad or Tendulkar the coach. Nothing will change. The players are not good enough.

Look, we are not at the level of India, Australia, New Zealand or England, but thats why we need to maximise our resources. If we make good selections, and play with the right tactics and then lose, then I dont have an issue, but so far Misbah seems to have no idea what he is doing for the most part.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

You can make Shehzad or Tendulkar the coach. Nothing will change. The players are not good enough.

Yes, we should dissolve the PCB and relinquish our test status because of the slump we find ourselves in.
Let's not maximize our resources, with a better management who can employ an actual strategy and compete.
It is one thing being a realist, but another being in a constant defeatist state.
Irrespective of how bad our cricket is right now, we have to move it along and somehow arrest our fortunes.
And having a mindset like your's doesnt help.

 

[Kroll]

He's always being defensive after every series. Why not just admit you're not equipped to be leading an international side after zero experience!

Anyway, give the man an extension to his contract because we deserve this humiliation.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Despite occasional sparks of quality, Pakistan cricket has been declining for 20 years. There's a myriad of reasons from lack of County exposure, a weak domestic structure prior to 2019 and successive administrations who neglected our grassroots setup. Obviously one cannot pin all the blame at Misbah's door.

However whilst a coach is only as good as the raw ingredients they have - one must maximise the limited resources you have. In sport the motto "control the controllables" is often used. What can close the gap with your opponents is by reading conditions well, better tactical plans against the opposition, and nailing the basics like fielding/running between wickets.

The problem is Misbah and Waqar have made elementary errors. Broad showed the entire world how to bowl to Warner in the 2019 Ashes, yet in the 1st Test vs Australia we hardly went around the wicket with a right arm seamer. We barely tested Woakes' weakness against the short ball, even a junior captain would've had Naseem go around the wicket with a legslip and short leg.

What makes matters worse is haphazard selection policy, selecting players either too soon or when they're expired. There's never been a settled combination in any format. For that, Misbah can and should be accountable.

This sums it up so well. Despite Mamoons hilarious assertions about fan expectations, I think we're all aware that Pakistan can't become world beaters tomorrow. However, in front of quality opposition, any signs of consistent progress have been few and far between. Whilst you can lay some of that blame at the feet of the players, the coaching has failed to inspire. It happened for Misbah at ISLU and it's happening with Pakistan. The best coaches make a team greater than the sum of its parts, yet Misbah has seen this team play at, or even below it's potential. Whilst replacing Misbah won't solve our problems overnight, replacing him with a positive, attack minded inspirational coach may at least stop the rot.

His response to this question is that the PCB is throwing mud at the wall hoping for it to stick in the case of Misbah ul Haq.

If that’s the case then let’s just make Shoaib Akhtar the head coach. At least we will become a team of Rappers on tour like NWA. Maybe we will have a movie on our players 20-30 years down the line

Brother I wish our team could be more like NWA, as we need all the attitude and personality we can get in that team.

 

[freezerburn]

If Misbah would have dropped Naseem after England tour, delusional cheerleaders would have blasted him for destroying his confidence.

Now that he picked him and Naseem “zero talent” Shah failed, he is getting blasted for destroying his confidence.

I can guarantee you that if Misbah picked Sohail or Imran over Naseem for the England series, the delusional cheerleaders who would have brought their AK-47s out and unloaded on Misbah for favoring oldies.

They would write stories on how Naseem would have blown England away and won the series for Pakistan.

The conclusion is that Misbah is not the problem; the problem is the exalted expectations of the delusional cheerleaders who are in perpetual denial and cannot make peace with the fact that Pakistan is a deeply mediocre cricket team.

Post of the decade

 

[Titan24]

They didn't come through the ranks, thats the issue. Naseem shah was fast tracked like no tomorrow for example.

That’s exactly my point. Misbah selected them so blame has to be taken when you take risky decisions like these which dont turn out to be good.

 

[Kroll]

Post of the decade

Not really, majority were against Misbah's appointment right from the start so ramblings about Naseem Shah, Imran Khan snr or whoever is only a moot point.

 

[Abid Z]

Ganguly changed the approach of Indian Cricket when he took over as captain. He talked about adopting a more aggressive attacking approach and many analysts mocked him i.e. wth is he talking about, he has such a mediocre side with mediocre bowlers. In his first series in charge, i saw the difference in approach already where Gary Kirsten used his feet to hit Sunil Joshi over his head for a couple of fours, most other captains would have reacted by keeping a fielder on the boundary line but Ganguly showed something different where the bowler was pleading with him to keep a fielder on the boundary for protection but Ganguly told him, no you keep enticing him, i am not keeping a fielder on the boundary, back then i knew that this man is offering something new and different to Indian Cricket and he is going to change the way the team plays.

Then under his leadership the team did well in the 2000 Champions Trophy, played out of their skins against the greatest Australian team in history at home in 2001 where the likes of Laxman, Dravid proved to the entire world that the team was moving away from Tendulkar dependancy. The team then went to South Africa where they faced a very tough series against potentially one of the greatest South African teams and players like Sehwag blossomed there. Then the team had a very tough home series against Nasser Hussain's England team.

Later in 2002 India faced a very tough England tour against the likes of Hoggard, Tudor, Flintoff, Harmison where they played out of their skins to draw 1-1 and won the Natwest tournament in incredible circumstances with Yuvraj, Kaif coming of age when the team was in a precarious position chasing 300 plus to win. That win showed and proved to the world that India can win from any position without Tendulkar.

India then toured the West Indies and had to battle it out against the WI who were a very solid team at home under Lara back then. Then they went to NZ where they faced one of the most difficult seaming pitches consistently throughout and even though they lost the test series 1-0, the odi series 3-2, the experience battle hardened them.

Then you had the 2003 ODI WC where a very battle hardened Indian team under Ganguly took revenge against an over the hill Pakistani team which was filled with players carrying on due to past laurels. But in these 3 years India under Ganguly played with a new vigor, self belief, confidence, attitude and i credit the captain for instilling these things in them. Indian Cricket has never ever looked like going backwards in the last 20 years

Similarly Misbah under his leadership from 2010 to 2017 had the opposite effect on Pakistan where safety, defensiveness was always the first priority. Pakistan right now will do well to have a Ganguly type leader at this point let alone an Imran Khan

While I agree with your general principle that certain captain introduce a certain quality and fighting ability to the team I think you are wrong in the examples you are setting.

Firstly ganguly had srt, dravid and lax man in the team. Arguably one of the best middle orders in the history of the game. Then he had kumble and harbajan I’d argue the best leg spin -off spin combination at the time. Zaheer and irfan Pathan were not slouches either nor was asish nehra. And India played a lot at home. And they of course had a good eye to the future with the likes of yuvi and dhoni being slowly introduced.

Now flip to Pakistan. It’s not just misbah fault, Pakistan has been in the dark ages since about 2010. If you exclude a handful of natural talents then you will see that the board itself is not responsible for developing any player. Misbah is right. We are a god awful team with poor player management. Most of our wins are flukes and most of our best performers have yet to be scrutinised adequately by the opposition when they will come back down to mediocre levels.

 

[Savak]

While I agree with your general principle that certain captain introduce a certain quality and fighting ability to the team I think you are wrong in the examples you are setting.

Firstly ganguly had srt, dravid and lax man in the team. Arguably one of the best middle orders in the history of the game. Then he had kumble and harbajan I’d argue the best leg spin -off spin combination at the time. Zaheer and irfan Pathan were not slouches either nor was asish nehra. And India played a lot at home. And they of course had a good eye to the future with the likes of yuvi and dhoni being slowly introduced.

Now flip to Pakistan. It’s not just misbah fault, Pakistan has been in the dark ages since about 2010. If you exclude a handful of natural talents then you will see that the board itself is not responsible for developing any player. Misbah is right. We are a god awful team with poor player management. Most of our wins are flukes and most of our best performers have yet to be scrutinised adequately by the opposition when they will come back down to mediocre levels.

Misbah in the last 10 years was a powerful captain for 7 and a powerful CS, Head Coach for a year and a half. He has been in a leadership role in Pakistan Cricket for the last 8.5 years and we all know deep down he is a very defensive, reactive individual who operates on a day by day looking to save his behind approach. IK also faced the same domestic structure frailities and a poor PCB but he took charge of his team and made sure he got the match winners he wanted, needed.

You give Misbah a team of Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar, Ganguly and co and he will find a way to lose with them. That is how contageous and panoti he is

 

[Abid Z]

Misbah in the last 10 years was a powerful captain for 7 and a powerful CS, Head Coach for a year and a half. He has been in a leadership role in Pakistan Cricket for the last 8.5 years and we all know deep down he is a very defensive, reactive individual who operates on a day by day looking to save his behind approach. IK also faced the same domestic structure frailities and a poor PCB but he took charge of his team and made sure he got the match winners he wanted, needed.

You give Misbah a team of Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar, Ganguly and co and he will find a way to lose with them. That is how contageous and panoti he is

What you are saying is without merit. I’m all for criticising the captain but the problems of this team are bigger than the captain, the coach or the selector. Pakistan cricket is ground into the dust right now due to many reasons not least lack of resources and playing in the uae. If they had the resources you would have better grounds and pitches , better training facilities, more talent development and the list goes on. The problems are bigger than a coach.

Oh and I’m a product of imran era I can say the best pak players at the time were developed in the county system not Pakistan domestic system. And it’s easier to compete with the best when there’s only 5/6 of you.

We are in a completely different era now and pak cricket is down in the doldrums

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan has been a terrible team for the best part of this decade. People can bash Misbah all they want, but the reality is that Misbah overachieved with his team.

ARTHUR TEAM IN AUSTRALIA:
Lost First Test by 30 runs
Was less than a session from drawing the Second Test - after declaring in the First Innings.

MISBAH TEAM IN AUSTRALIA:
Lost First Test by an Innings
Lost Second Test by an Innings, after only taking 3 Australian wickets in the whole match. (Misbah selected MUSA KHAN for a Pink Ball Test at Adelaide!!!!!!)

ARTHUR TEAM IN NEW ZEALAND
Lost First Test in a low-scoring match after having to bat first on a greentop.
Lost Second Test by losing 9 wickets in the Final Session chasing a win to tie the series.

MISBAH TEAM IN NEW ZEALAND
Lost First Test by over 100 runs after NZ declared with 5 wickets in hand
Lost Second Test by an Innings and 176 runs after NZ only lost 6 wickets in the whole match.

Misbah as coach has taken a team which was competing and converted it into one which is getting splattered.

 

[TheSultan]

I don’t quite know what people want. So we just sit there accept we are rubbish, give up and do nothing about it? Misbah carry on doing your thing. We’ll all have a nap?

The players are bad - we’ve heard that. Yes loud and clear. Now what else?

Have we never heard of teams punching above their weight? Can a team even if it lacks talent not try to be the best it can be? Can they not try and improve?

 

[Snowflake]

What a sook! Always deflecting blame, this one.

When he was the captain: " I came in when we were 3 down and under pressure. I had to play a consolidating role."

When he is the coach: "I am not the only reason. There are others to blame too"

What an insecure man.

 

[ufcfan]

Ganguly changed the approach of Indian Cricket when he took over as captain. He talked about adopting a more aggressive attacking approach and many analysts mocked him i.e. wth is he talking about, he has such a mediocre side with mediocre bowlers. In his first series in charge, i saw the difference in approach already where Gary Kirsten used his feet to hit Sunil Joshi over his head for a couple of fours, most other captains would have reacted by keeping a fielder on the boundary line but Ganguly showed something different where the bowler was pleading with him to keep a fielder on the boundary for protection but Ganguly told him, no you keep enticing him, i am not keeping a fielder on the boundary, back then i knew that this man is offering something new and different to Indian Cricket and he is going to change the way the team plays.

Then under his leadership the team did well in the 2000 Champions Trophy, played out of their skins against the greatest Australian team in history at home in 2001 where the likes of Laxman, Dravid proved to the entire world that the team was moving away from Tendulkar dependancy. The team then went to South Africa where they faced a very tough series against potentially one of the greatest South African teams and players like Sehwag blossomed there. Then the team had a very tough home series against Nasser Hussain's England team.

Later in 2002 India faced a very tough England tour against the likes of Hoggard, Tudor, Flintoff, Harmison where they played out of their skins to draw 1-1 and won the Natwest tournament in incredible circumstances with Yuvraj, Kaif coming of age when the team was in a precarious position chasing 300 plus to win. That win showed and proved to the world that India can win from any position without Tendulkar.

India then toured the West Indies and had to battle it out against the WI who were a very solid team at home under Lara back then. Then they went to NZ where they faced one of the most difficult seaming pitches consistently throughout and even though they lost the test series 1-0, the odi series 3-2, the experience battle hardened them.

Then you had the 2003 ODI WC where a very battle hardened Indian team under Ganguly took revenge against an over the hill Pakistani team which was filled with players carrying on due to past laurels. But in these 3 years India under Ganguly played with a new vigor, self belief, confidence, attitude and i credit the captain for instilling these things in them. Indian Cricket has never ever looked like going backwards in the last 20 years

Similarly Misbah under his leadership from 2010 to 2017 had the opposite effect on Pakistan where safety, defensiveness was always the first priority. Pakistan right now will do well to have a Ganguly type leader at this point let alone an Imran Khan

Correction-India's tour of NZ 2002-2003
It was a 7 match odi series where India lost 5-2

 

[Saj]

I think a better and more experienced coach would improve Pakistan, but I don't believe that any coach in the world can take Pakistan to the top at the moment.

The simple reason is that the players are simply not good enough, technically not good enough and mentally weak and lack self-belief.

 

[MMHS]

PCB & PAKPassion needs to go a little soft on Misbah - the team is not that good as the popular belief. But, in their josh, if PCB decides to sacrifice Misbah, it won’t convey confidence to next incumbent - appointing coach will become costlier for PCB and

 

[shariqnoor]

Misbah has just stopped short of saying "This team is talent-less and has a ton of skill deficit".

Misbah is probably the only one in Pakistani cricket circles who is neither in denial nor delusional about the ability of these players and Pakistan cricket in general.

 

[IMMY69]

It was a massive gamble picking someone with zero experience to manage the national team.
This was made even more outrageous by having the same inexperienced manager be the chief selector too..

Then to confound it all, you have a bowling coach whose been bowling coach in 2009, who then became the head coach in 2010 and then left that role in 2015 only to be made bowling coach again in 2019!!

These are crazy decisions....

Ok so we were left with an inexperienced manager cum chief selector.
What does he do? Sacks the test captain and picks oldies and extremely inexperienced players..
Then in NZ gives a debut to a left arm slow bowler on a green top when the opposition have gone in with 5 seam bowlers..

So we have four seamers, one of which was raw and looked like he was out of his depth in the first game. A fourth seamer, arguably one of the better bowlers, who was an all rounder but somebody who couldn't even get into squad for the England tour...

Final point...
managers and their coaches may not be able to turn average players into world class talents but it's their duty to make sure the players practice their fielding properly... the amount of crucial droppedcatches played a big part in our losses...
This is where a top managers and his caching staff can make a huge difference...

I'll be extremely disappointed if Misbah is retained.