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"I blame these increasing terror attacks on the current Islamophobia post-9/11" : Imran Khan

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I blame these increasing terror attacks on the current Islamophobia post-9/11 where Islam & 1.3 bn Muslims have collectively been blamed for any act of terror by a Muslim. This has been done deliberately to also demonize legitimate Muslim political struggles. <a href="https://t.co/5bBREoayLz">https://t.co/5bBREoayLz</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1106446970414157824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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He is right. The media and general perception is anti islam. What do you think will happen if you continue to give bigots a platform?
 
He is right. The media and general perception is anti islam. What do you think will happen if you continue to give bigots a platform?

and what about countries like Pakistan who keep on allowing Wahabism to be preached just so that we could get some money from the Saudis?
 
He has been saying that for the best part of 20 years and he is right
 
and what about countries like Pakistan who keep on allowing Wahabism to be preached just so that we could get some money from the Saudis?
I agree with you but imo its slowly starting to change. If we are being honest it was zia who should be blamed for the way this country turned out.
 
and what about countries like Pakistan who keep on allowing Wahabism to be preached just so that we could get some money from the Saudis?

Too many countries have allowed Saudis to fund Wahabi doctrine in their countries, including my own, but fortunately we are rich enough that we aren't relying on their funds to bankroll our economy. Even now though, Britain still considers Saudi business as critically important to Britain's financial health.
 
Too many countries have allowed Saudis to fund Wahabi doctrine in their countries, including my own, but fortunately we are rich enough that we aren't relying on their funds to bankroll our economy. Even now though, Britain still considers Saudi business as critically important to Britain's financial health.

but i believe UK keeps a check and balance. Over here, we don't know what gets preached
 
A very smart statement by Imran Khan. I am impressed.
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

Nevertheless, when it comes to Islamophobia, we need to identify its origins and its cause. This is of course not an attempt to justify it, but is simply an attempt to understand its prominence. Not everything can be justified, but there is always a reason for everything.

It is also important to put ourselves in the shoes of others and look at it from a different perspective. The vast majority of the terrorist organisations conduct these attacks in the name of Islam, and the vast majority of terrorists identify themselves as the true followers of Islam.

As Muslims, we are quick to dismiss that notion and claim that these people have nothing to do with Islam, and are following a version of the faith that cannot be further from the truth, since Islam is not a religion that propagates terrorism and violence.

However, you cannot expect the non-Muslim community to respect these intricacies and exhibit a clear understanding of the distinction between the version of Islam that the Islamic terrorists claim to follow (the minority) and the version of Islam that the majority of peaceful Muslims claim to follow.

When one particular religion or ideology is overwhelmingly prevalent when it comes to terrorism, it is inevitable that people will develop a degree of skepticism and will not have a favourable outlook towards that particular religion.

This is something that people who are quick to play the Islamophobia card need to understand. Yes it is true that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, but it is also true that the vast majority of terrorists claim to be Muslims and carry the banners of Islam. In a situation like this, how do you expect Islamophobia to not flourish?

If the followers of some other religion were so predominant when it comes to terrorism, a large portion of the people who now condemn Islamophobia would be making sweeping statements about that particular religion and its followers. In Pakistan, we are witnessing this practically when it comes to India.

Over the last few years, communal violence and religious discrimination have been on the rise in India. As a result, people in Pakistan have not been shy of making sweeping statements about how India has become an extremist country, the people are not tolerant, it is not a safe country for Muslims etc. etc.

They do not show any sensitivity and regard to the fact that the vast majority of Hindus in India are tolerant and peace-loving, and thus it would be a generalisation to put these labels on India based on the actions of a minority of Hindus.

Our views on India these days are no different to the views of the so-called Islamophobes, and thus we are clearly showing traits of Hindu/Indophobia. However, because of our collective biases, we fail to practice what we preach and unfortunately, have lost the ability to recognise our double-standards and hypocrisy as well.

I believe that sweeping everything under the carpet as Islamophobia and playing the "if it is a brown man he is a terrorist, if it is a white man he is mentally deranged" card is not the solution to this problem.

No problem can ever be solved without recognising the problem and understanding the symptoms. Islamophobia and the general stereotyping of Muslims is not the root cause of Islamic terrorism; it is the result of the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations identify themselves as Muslims.

We Muslims and the Muslim countries also need to look inwards and recognise the elements within the teachings of Islam that when taken out of context, can lead to extremist ideologies. After all, these terrorist organisations frequently quote the teachings of Islam to defend and justify their actions, and how all of this is simply an act of jihad which is the duty of every Muslim.

Not a single terrorist that has identified himself as a Muslim has ever claimed that his actions are not in line with Islamic teachings, and thus, within the teachings of Islam, there is undeniable potential of misinterpretation that have sowed the seeds for terrorism and extremism.

As a result, instead of accusing the world of Islamophobia and giving protection to terrorists and militants for the sake of geopolitics, it is important for Muslim leaders to do more and promote the peaceful version of Islam, not only through awareness but by adopting a zero-tolerance policy. This is the only long-term solution of putting an end to Islamophobia.

It will only flourish as long as we (the Muslims) sit and do nothing apart from condemning it, while the majority of the terror attacks are conducted in the name of Islam. That is what has happened post 9/11 and this what is going to happen in the future if we don't change our ways.
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

Nevertheless, when it comes to Islamophobia, we need to identify its origins and its cause. This is of course not an attempt to justify it, but is simply an attempt to understand its prominence. Not everything can be justified, but there is always a reason for everything.

It is also important to put ourselves in the shoes of others and look at it from a different perspective. The vast majority of the terrorist organisations conduct these attacks in the name of Islam, and the vast majority of terrorists identify themselves as the true followers of Islam.

As Muslims, we are quick to dismiss that notion and claim that these people have nothing to do with Islam, and are following a version of the faith that cannot be further from the truth, since Islam is not a religion that propagates terrorism and violence.

However, you cannot expect the non-Muslim community to respect these intricacies and exhibit a clear understanding of the distinction between the version of Islam that the Islamic terrorists claim to follow (the minority) and the version of Islam that the majority of peaceful Muslims claim to follow.

When one particular religion or ideology is overwhelmingly prevalent when it comes to terrorism, it is inevitable that people will develop a degree of skepticism and will not have a favourable outlook towards that particular religion.

This is something that people who are quick to play the Islamophobia card need to understand. Yes it is true that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, but it is also true that the vast majority of terrorists claim to be Muslims and carry the banners of Islam. In a situation like this, how do you expect Islamophobia to not flourish?

If the followers of some other religion were so predominant when it comes to terrorism, a large portion of the people who now condemn Islamophobia would be making sweeping statements about that particular religion and its followers. In Pakistan, we are witnessing this practically when it comes to India.

Over the last few years, communal violence and religious discrimination have been on the rise in India. As a result, people in Pakistan have not been shy of making sweeping statements about how India has become an extremist country, the people are not tolerant, it is not a safe country for Muslims etc. etc.

They do not show any sensitivity and regard to the fact that the vast majority of Hindus in India are tolerant and peace-loving, and thus it would be a generalisation to put these labels on India based on the actions of a minority of Hindus.

Our views on India these days are no different to the views of the so-called Islamophobes, and thus we are clearly showing traits of Hindu/Indophobia. However, because of our collective biases, we fail to practice what we preach and unfortunately, have lost the ability to recognise our double-standards and hypocrisy as well.

I believe that sweeping everything under the carpet as Islamophobia and playing the "if it is a brown man he is a terrorist, if it is a white man he is mentally deranged" card is not the solution to this problem.

No problem can ever be solved without recognising the problem and understanding the symptoms. Islamophobia and the general stereotyping of Muslims is not the root cause of Islamic terrorism; it is the result of the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations identify themselves as Muslims.

We Muslims and the Muslim countries also need to look inwards and recognise the elements within the teachings of Islam that when taken out of context, can lead to extremist ideologies. After all, these terrorist organisations frequently quote the teachings of Islam to defend and justify their actions, and how all of this is simply an act of jihad which is the duty of every Muslim.

Not a single terrorist that has identified himself as a Muslim has ever claimed that his actions are not in line with Islamic teachings, and thus, within the teachings of Islam, there is undeniable potential of misinterpretation that have sowed the seeds for terrorism and extremism.

As a result, instead of accusing the world of Islamophobia and giving protection to terrorists and militants for the sake of geopolitics, it is important for Muslim leaders to do more and promote the peaceful version of Islam, not only through awareness but by adopting a zero-tolerance policy. This is the only long-term solution of putting an end to Islamophobia.

It will only flourish as long as we (the Muslims) sit and do nothing apart from condemning it, while the majority of the terror attacks are conducted in the name of Islam. That is what has happened post 9/11 and this what is going to happen in the future if we don't change our ways.

Very well put mamoon
 
1.6 billion Muslims in the world...
Why should the action of a small monitory impact on the vast majority of peace loving Muslims?

Is the world so ignorant that the majority should have to come out denouncing the act of the few every time there is an incident?
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

Nevertheless, when it comes to Islamophobia, we need to identify its origins and its cause. This is of course not an attempt to justify it, but is simply an attempt to understand its prominence. Not everything can be justified, but there is always a reason for everything.

It is also important to put ourselves in the shoes of others and look at it from a different perspective. The vast majority of the terrorist organisations conduct these attacks in the name of Islam, and the vast majority of terrorists identify themselves as the true followers of Islam.

As Muslims, we are quick to dismiss that notion and claim that these people have nothing to do with Islam, and are following a version of the faith that cannot be further from the truth, since Islam is not a religion that propagates terrorism and violence.

However, you cannot expect the non-Muslim community to respect these intricacies and exhibit a clear understanding of the distinction between the version of Islam that the Islamic terrorists claim to follow (the minority) and the version of Islam that the majority of peaceful Muslims claim to follow.

When one particular religion or ideology is overwhelmingly prevalent when it comes to terrorism, it is inevitable that people will develop a degree of skepticism and will not have a favourable outlook towards that particular religion.

This is something that people who are quick to play the Islamophobia card need to understand. Yes it is true that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, but it is also true that the vast majority of terrorists claim to be Muslims and carry the banners of Islam. In a situation like this, how do you expect Islamophobia to not flourish?

If the followers of some other religion were so predominant when it comes to terrorism, a large portion of the people who now condemn Islamophobia would be making sweeping statements about that particular religion and its followers. In Pakistan, we are witnessing this practically when it comes to India.

Over the last few years, communal violence and religious discrimination have been on the rise in India. As a result, people in Pakistan have not been shy of making sweeping statements about how India has become an extremist country, the people are not tolerant, it is not a safe country for Muslims etc. etc.

They do not show any sensitivity and regard to the fact that the vast majority of Hindus in India are tolerant and peace-loving, and thus it would be a generalisation to put these labels on India based on the actions of a minority of Hindus.

Our views on India these days are no different to the views of the so-called Islamophobes, and thus we are clearly showing traits of Hindu/Indophobia. However, because of our collective biases, we fail to practice what we preach and unfortunately, have lost the ability to recognise our double-standards and hypocrisy as well.

I believe that sweeping everything under the carpet as Islamophobia and playing the "if it is a brown man he is a terrorist, if it is a white man he is mentally deranged" card is not the solution to this problem.

No problem can ever be solved without recognising the problem and understanding the symptoms. Islamophobia and the general stereotyping of Muslims is not the root cause of Islamic terrorism; it is the result of the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations identify themselves as Muslims.

We Muslims and the Muslim countries also need to look inwards and recognise the elements within the teachings of Islam that when taken out of context, can lead to extremist ideologies. After all, these terrorist organisations frequently quote the teachings of Islam to defend and justify their actions, and how all of this is simply an act of jihad which is the duty of every Muslim.

Not a single terrorist that has identified himself as a Muslim has ever claimed that his actions are not in line with Islamic teachings, and thus, within the teachings of Islam, there is undeniable potential of misinterpretation that have sowed the seeds for terrorism and extremism.

As a result, instead of accusing the world of Islamophobia and giving protection to terrorists and militants for the sake of geopolitics, it is important for Muslim leaders to do more and promote the peaceful version of Islam, not only through awareness but by adopting a zero-tolerance policy. This is the only long-term solution of putting an end to Islamophobia.

It will only flourish as long as we (the Muslims) sit and do nothing apart from condemning it, while the majority of the terror attacks are conducted in the name of Islam. That is what has happened post 9/11 and this what is going to happen in the future if we don't change our ways.

One of the most shameful posts to be written on PP in its history.

Instead of expressing any sort of sympathy for your sisters and brothers, you have come up with a defence for the people trying to destroy Muslims.
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

Nevertheless, when it comes to Islamophobia, we need to identify its origins and its cause. This is of course not an attempt to justify it, but is simply an attempt to understand its prominence. Not everything can be justified, but there is always a reason for everything.

It is also important to put ourselves in the shoes of others and look at it from a different perspective. The vast majority of the terrorist organisations conduct these attacks in the name of Islam, and the vast majority of terrorists identify themselves as the true followers of Islam.

As Muslims, we are quick to dismiss that notion and claim that these people have nothing to do with Islam, and are following a version of the faith that cannot be further from the truth, since Islam is not a religion that propagates terrorism and violence.

However, you cannot expect the non-Muslim community to respect these intricacies and exhibit a clear understanding of the distinction between the version of Islam that the Islamic terrorists claim to follow (the minority) and the version of Islam that the majority of peaceful Muslims claim to follow.

When one particular religion or ideology is overwhelmingly prevalent when it comes to terrorism, it is inevitable that people will develop a degree of skepticism and will not have a favourable outlook towards that particular religion.

This is something that people who are quick to play the Islamophobia card need to understand. Yes it is true that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, but it is also true that the vast majority of terrorists claim to be Muslims and carry the banners of Islam. In a situation like this, how do you expect Islamophobia to not flourish?

If the followers of some other religion were so predominant when it comes to terrorism, a large portion of the people who now condemn Islamophobia would be making sweeping statements about that particular religion and its followers. In Pakistan, we are witnessing this practically when it comes to India.

Over the last few years, communal violence and religious discrimination have been on the rise in India. As a result, people in Pakistan have not been shy of making sweeping statements about how India has become an extremist country, the people are not tolerant, it is not a safe country for Muslims etc. etc.

They do not show any sensitivity and regard to the fact that the vast majority of Hindus in India are tolerant and peace-loving, and thus it would be a generalisation to put these labels on India based on the actions of a minority of Hindus.

Our views on India these days are no different to the views of the so-called Islamophobes, and thus we are clearly showing traits of Hindu/Indophobia. However, because of our collective biases, we fail to practice what we preach and unfortunately, have lost the ability to recognise our double-standards and hypocrisy as well.

I believe that sweeping everything under the carpet as Islamophobia and playing the "if it is a brown man he is a terrorist, if it is a white man he is mentally deranged" card is not the solution to this problem.

No problem can ever be solved without recognising the problem and understanding the symptoms. Islamophobia and the general stereotyping of Muslims is not the root cause of Islamic terrorism; it is the result of the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations identify themselves as Muslims.

We Muslims and the Muslim countries also need to look inwards and recognise the elements within the teachings of Islam that when taken out of context, can lead to extremist ideologies. After all, these terrorist organisations frequently quote the teachings of Islam to defend and justify their actions, and how all of this is simply an act of jihad which is the duty of every Muslim.

Not a single terrorist that has identified himself as a Muslim has ever claimed that his actions are not in line with Islamic teachings, and thus, within the teachings of Islam, there is undeniable potential of misinterpretation that have sowed the seeds for terrorism and extremism.

As a result, instead of accusing the world of Islamophobia and giving protection to terrorists and militants for the sake of geopolitics, it is important for Muslim leaders to do more and promote the peaceful version of Islam, not only through awareness but by adopting a zero-tolerance policy. This is the only long-term solution of putting an end to Islamophobia.

It will only flourish as long as we (the Muslims) sit and do nothing apart from condemning it, while the majority of the terror attacks are conducted in the name of Islam. That is what has happened post 9/11 and this what is going to happen in the future if we don't change our ways.
This is absolute gibberish.
 
9/11 was an event. But it's people like Anjum Chaudhry that caused the mass islamophobia. The blatant proclamation of sharia law openly under the guise of freedom of speech has provoked people. One visit to Deerborn, MI and you can see the same crap going on. Rest assured, there will not be such open, blatant lunatics in West anymore. The people in the west just proved that they have terrorists amongst them too.
 
One of the most shameful posts to be written on PP in its history.

Instead of expressing any sort of sympathy for your sisters and brothers, you have come up with a defence for the people trying to destroy Muslims.

This is absolute gibberish.

Well done on completely and unequivocally missing the point and the gist of the post. However, I am not surprised because it was expected.
 
but i believe UK keeps a check and balance. Over here, we don't know what gets preached

The UK didn't keep any checks or balances until after 9/11, in any case most of the dangerous stuff would have been underground. I am pretty sure if challenged, the Saudi authorities would say they don't promote or fund anything to do with terrorism. Do you seriously think Britain would promote warm trade relations with any country which was promoting terrorism against our own?
 
One of the most shameful posts to be written on PP in its history.

Instead of expressing any sort of sympathy for your sisters and brothers, you have come up with a defence for the people trying to destroy Muslims.


Usually I don't agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] but I don't see anything wrong here. There is nothing shameful in discussing what can be the cause and how can we come up with a solution. I believe the shameful thing is when you dismiss someone just because S/he doesn't share the same views as you.
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

I've just watched the interview of the Australian PM on tv and he pointedly didn't call out white supremacists, he described the perpetrators twice as right wing extremists. Why do you think they use relatively vague terms while on the other hand we are happy to dissect 'others' by religion, ethnic heritage and even subsects like Wahabi etc?
 
Perfect tweet. Ik knows very well the game that is being played. Unfortunately we live in a world of hypocrisy and greed where interests are put before principles.
 
Well done on completely and unequivocally missing the point and the gist of the post. However, I am not surprised because it was expected.

But MIG hasn't missed the point. You have laid the blame squarely on the Muslim world for this horrific incident, and what else does that do if it doesn't justify it?

The shooters could literally read your post out and paste it on a 'right wing extremist' website and say "this is why we do it!"
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

Nevertheless, when it comes to Islamophobia, we need to identify its origins and its cause. This is of course not an attempt to justify it, but is simply an attempt to understand its prominence. Not everything can be justified, but there is always a reason for everything.

It is also important to put ourselves in the shoes of others and look at it from a different perspective. The vast majority of the terrorist organisations conduct these attacks in the name of Islam, and the vast majority of terrorists identify themselves as the true followers of Islam.

As Muslims, we are quick to dismiss that notion and claim that these people have nothing to do with Islam, and are following a version of the faith that cannot be further from the truth, since Islam is not a religion that propagates terrorism and violence.

However, you cannot expect the non-Muslim community to respect these intricacies and exhibit a clear understanding of the distinction between the version of Islam that the Islamic terrorists claim to follow (the minority) and the version of Islam that the majority of peaceful Muslims claim to follow.

When one particular religion or ideology is overwhelmingly prevalent when it comes to terrorism, it is inevitable that people will develop a degree of skepticism and will not have a favourable outlook towards that particular religion.

This is something that people who are quick to play the Islamophobia card need to understand. Yes it is true that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, but it is also true that the vast majority of terrorists claim to be Muslims and carry the banners of Islam. In a situation like this, how do you expect Islamophobia to not flourish?

If the followers of some other religion were so predominant when it comes to terrorism, a large portion of the people who now condemn Islamophobia would be making sweeping statements about that particular religion and its followers. In Pakistan, we are witnessing this practically when it comes to India.

Over the last few years, communal violence and religious discrimination have been on the rise in India. As a result, people in Pakistan have not been shy of making sweeping statements about how India has become an extremist country, the people are not tolerant, it is not a safe country for Muslims etc. etc.

They do not show any sensitivity and regard to the fact that the vast majority of Hindus in India are tolerant and peace-loving, and thus it would be a generalisation to put these labels on India based on the actions of a minority of Hindus.

Our views on India these days are no different to the views of the so-called Islamophobes, and thus we are clearly showing traits of Hindu/Indophobia. However, because of our collective biases, we fail to practice what we preach and unfortunately, have lost the ability to recognise our double-standards and hypocrisy as well.

I believe that sweeping everything under the carpet as Islamophobia and playing the "if it is a brown man he is a terrorist, if it is a white man he is mentally deranged" card is not the solution to this problem.

No problem can ever be solved without recognising the problem and understanding the symptoms. Islamophobia and the general stereotyping of Muslims is not the root cause of Islamic terrorism; it is the result of the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations identify themselves as Muslims.

We Muslims and the Muslim countries also need to look inwards and recognise the elements within the teachings of Islam that when taken out of context, can lead to extremist ideologies. After all, these terrorist organisations frequently quote the teachings of Islam to defend and justify their actions, and how all of this is simply an act of jihad which is the duty of every Muslim.

Not a single terrorist that has identified himself as a Muslim has ever claimed that his actions are not in line with Islamic teachings, and thus, within the teachings of Islam, there is undeniable potential of misinterpretation that have sowed the seeds for terrorism and extremism.

As a result, instead of accusing the world of Islamophobia and giving protection to terrorists and militants for the sake of geopolitics, it is important for Muslim leaders to do more and promote the peaceful version of Islam, not only through awareness but by adopting a zero-tolerance policy. This is the only long-term solution of putting an end to Islamophobia.

It will only flourish as long as we (the Muslims) sit and do nothing apart from condemning it, while the majority of the terror attacks are conducted in the name of Islam. That is what has happened post 9/11 and this what is going to happen in the future if we don't change our ways.

I never usually quote you, as lets be honest, you write garbage posts, but this was some next level steaming pile of Junk. How have you not been banned yet is beyond me.
 
Usually I don't agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] but I don't see anything wrong here. There is nothing shameful in discussing what can be the cause and how can we come up with a solution. I believe the shameful thing is when you dismiss someone just because S/he doesn't share the same views as you.

And what is right about his post?
Please explain.
 
If you read his disgusting manifesto, you'll see that it doesn't have much to do with Muslims specifically. He wanted to kill anyone who "invaded" his land and thought a mosque would be a good place for it. More like white supremacism than islamophobia.
 
If you read his disgusting manifesto, you'll see that it doesn't have much to do with Muslims specifically. He wanted to kill anyone who "invaded" his land and thought a mosque would be a good place for it. More like white supremacism than islamophobia.

Spot on.
He is a white supremacist and in this instance the Mosques in New Zealand were an easy target.
 
I never usually quote you, as lets be honest, you write garbage posts, but this was some next level steaming pile of Junk. How have you not been banned yet is beyond me.

Word.

Probably the worst post in PP's history in recent times.
 
Instead of calling the poster or his posts various terms, describe how you disagree with him and why.

Otherwise, you are essentially playing the "man" and not the "ball".

If you do not engage in discussion, you are automatically strengthening his or her beliefs.
 
Perhaps Mamoon could explain who started all the major wars in the modern world that helped create the terrorist groups such as taliban, al qaida, ISIS. The west gave them excuses and propaganda to spread their evil doctrines and brainwash naive, uneducated, or unstable people.

As for the praise Imran Khan is getting for his tweet, it is obvious why. Whilst leaders of Powerful Muslim countries are always quiet or using diplomatic language when atrocities are delivered on Muslims, the likes of Erdogan and Imran Khan have guts to tell the world when they are wrong in a precise language, despite the need to keep the west sweet to help Pakistan in their development and trade.
I was always a big fan of Imran Khan as a cricketer and philanthropist, but since he has become Pak PM I have also become fan of his political leadership.
 
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Instead of calling the poster or his posts various terms, describe how you disagree with him and why.

Otherwise, you are essentially playing the "man" and not the "ball".

If you do not engage in discussion, you are automatically strengthening his or her beliefs.

There is a rule in internet world: "never feed the troll". Due to PP's format latest threads show up first and are "forced" upon you.

That said, let us feed the troll.

He has a problem with everything related to IK. If IK said earth is round this guy would convince you that earth is flat.
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It is written is Quran:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
https://quran.com/5/32
Even Muslim infants know that.

And I am doubtful when he refers to "We" what class of people he is referring to.
 
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One of the most shameful posts to be written on PP in its history.

Instead of expressing any sort of sympathy for your sisters and brothers, you have come up with a defence for the people trying to destroy Muslims.

Every posts he writes is shameful.
 
But MIG hasn't missed the point. You have laid the blame squarely on the Muslim world for this horrific incident, and what else does that do if it doesn't justify it?

The shooters could literally read your post out and paste it on a 'right wing extremist' website and say "this is why we do it!"

People who have condemned my post so far fall into two broad categories: (a) they either misinterpreted my post as an attempt to justify violence against Muslims or (b) they were able to comprehend my post, but as usual, they are not happy with reading stuff that they do not want to read and want to turn a blind eye to the harsh reality that the majority of terrorists, as well as the majority of terrorist groups. identify as Muslims and are prepared to defend their actions using Islamic teachings. Henceforth, we have a clear problem and we cannot run away from this problem because of Islamophobia.

Islamophobia has been on the rise in the last two decades and so has been terrorism in the name of Islam. Just like Imran Khan today, Muslims around the world have condemned Islamophobia as well as the acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. However, that is very clearly not the solution to this problem.

Verbal condemnation has failed to arrest Islamic terrorism and it has also failed to change the opinions of the Islamophobes. As a result, that is quite clearly not the solution to this problem. Is it not the time to change the way we are dealing with this problem?
 
My question is simple:

Why are we not prepared to discuss the undeniable reality that the vast majority of terrorists and the vast majority of terrorist organisations in the world identify themselves as Muslims and are prepared to defend their actions using religious scriptures?

Why are the majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations not identifying themselves as Christians, Hindus or Jews? Why Muslims?

As long as we are not prepared to tackle these uncomfortable questions, we cannot find a solution to Islamic terrorism and Islamophobia.
 
I've just watched the interview of the Australian PM on tv and he pointedly didn't call out white supremacists, he described the perpetrators twice as right wing extremists. Why do you think they use relatively vague terms while on the other hand we are happy to dissect 'others' by religion, ethnic heritage and even subsects like Wahabi etc?

Because of their bias and prejudice. More than the statement of the PM, it was the statement of an Australian senator who blamed New Zealand's immigration policy for letting "Muslim fanatics" in their country that has been widely condemned and rightfully criticised.

However, is point out the obvious discrimination against Muslims the solution to putting an end to Islamophobia, or is there something that the Muslim community can do to change the outlook of Muslims around the world? The former is obviously much, much easier, but so far, it has failed to provide a solution.
 
9/11 was an event. But it's people like Anjum Chaudhry that caused the mass islamophobia. The blatant proclamation of sharia law openly under the guise of freedom of speech has provoked people. One visit to Deerborn, MI and you can see the same crap going on. Rest assured, there will not be such open, blatant lunatics in West anymore. The people in the west just proved that they have terrorists amongst them too.

What is going on in dearborn specifically that bothers you? Are there 'no-go' zones
 
Who decides who is a terrorist.Seems like you have lost your mental balance with recent loss in ODI's of your team

The overwhelming majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations call themselves Muslims and propagate terrorism under the banner of Islam. We can claim all we want that they are not Muslims and are following the wrong version of Islam, but does it really matter? How do you think thier claims that they are Muslims impact on how the religion of Islam is viewed globally?

Just assume that you are not a Muslim. In fact, just assume that you are not even from this world. Let's say that you come to Earth from a different planet, and you see that the Earth is bleeding because of terrorism.

You then proceed to see that the majority of the terrorists call themselves Muslims, and are prepared to validate their actions by using Islamic teachings. How do you think you will look at Islam? Would you not pose the question that why Islam is the predominant religion when it comes to terrorism?

The problem that I see here is our inability to look at this issue objectively.
 
Usually I don't agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] but I don't see anything wrong here. There is nothing shameful in discussing what can be the cause and how can we come up with a solution. I believe the shameful thing is when you dismiss someone just because S/he doesn't share the same views as you.

Unfortunately, people are not willing to accept the fact that most terrorists identify themselves as Muslims and are also prepared to defend their actions using Islamic teachings. It is an uncomfortable truth and they are shying away from dissecting that problem, which in my opinion is the only solution to put an end to Islamophobia.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] at his best, making massively sweeping generalisations without a single substantial source or stat to back up his position.

Your questions are irrelevant, because in the court of public opinion, the place where you permanently reside, attacks involving Muslims mentioned in the press are framed differently to attacks by members of other communities.

If they weren't, that family guy meme wouldn't be used as much as it is.
 
What is going on in dearborn specifically that bothers you? Are there 'no-go' zones

I have attended a couple of sermons with a few friends. What bothers me is the hate for the west while sitting in the west and enjoying the benefits of the west.
 
I have attended a couple of sermons with a few friends. What bothers me is the hate for the west while sitting in the west and enjoying the benefits of the west.

Are they not American? Does the first amendment not apply to them? Is it the colour of their skin that bothers you? Or the religion they follow?
 
Are they not American? Does the first amendment not apply to them? Is it the colour of their skin that bothers you? Or the religion they follow?

I have the same skin color. Religion doesn't matter. First amendment doesn't mean you become Anjum Chaudhry. The patience among natives has limits. There is no point in crying foul and claiming innocence when you keep attending and listen to the hateful sermons about imposing Sharia and complaining women have too many rights in USA. If you are in the audience of sermons where they proclaim USA is the biggest enemy of Islam and shout Death to America while taking welfare checks, then you shouldnt be shocked when a white nutjob brings his assault weapon and kills a bunch of them.
 
I have the same skin color. Religion doesn't matter. First amendment doesn't mean you become Anjum Chaudhry. The patience among natives has limits. There is no point in crying foul and claiming innocence when you keep attending and listen to the hateful sermons about imposing Sharia and complaining women have too many rights in USA. If you are in the audience of sermons where they proclaim USA is the biggest enemy of Islam and shout Death to America while taking welfare checks, then you shouldnt be shocked when a white nutjob brings his assault weapon and kills a bunch of them.

Anjem Choudhury? I didn't know he was a household name in America. So did you report what he said to the FBI? or were you ok to let it continue so some white nutjob would shoot it up and you could dance on the blood of an innocent Muslim child on PP?
 
Anjem Choudhury? I didn't know he was a household name in America. So did you report what he said to the FBI? or were you ok to let it continue so some white nutjob would shoot it up and you could dance on the blood of an innocent Muslim child on PP?

I didn't need to report. That Imam Ahmad Musa Jibril idiot was already on FBI watchlist. They got him for some fraud later. ANyway, the FBI has already infiltrated Dearborn mosques but they have their limits and can't control all the nutjobs. As far as me dancing on some innocent muslim child, naa that's ISIS and they were just decimated to pieces for following the same ideology
 
I didn't need to report. That Imam Ahmad Musa Jibril idiot was already on FBI watchlist. They got him for some fraud later. ANyway, the FBI has already infiltrated Dearborn mosques but they have their limits and can't control all the nutjobs. As far as me dancing on some innocent muslim child, naa that's ISIS and they were just decimated to pieces for following the same ideology

He was known as the basement sheikh, the guy had no pulpit in a major mosque in Dearborn. I know this for a fact. He's internet famous, so how and where did you go to his sermon? You're not lying are you?
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

Nevertheless, when it comes to Islamophobia, we need to identify its origins and its cause. This is of course not an attempt to justify it, but is simply an attempt to understand its prominence. Not everything can be justified, but there is always a reason for everything.

It is also important to put ourselves in the shoes of others and look at it from a different perspective. The vast majority of the terrorist organisations conduct these attacks in the name of Islam, and the vast majority of terrorists identify themselves as the true followers of Islam.

As Muslims, we are quick to dismiss that notion and claim that these people have nothing to do with Islam, and are following a version of the faith that cannot be further from the truth, since Islam is not a religion that propagates terrorism and violence.

However, you cannot expect the non-Muslim community to respect these intricacies and exhibit a clear understanding of the distinction between the version of Islam that the Islamic terrorists claim to follow (the minority) and the version of Islam that the majority of peaceful Muslims claim to follow.

When one particular religion or ideology is overwhelmingly prevalent when it comes to terrorism, it is inevitable that people will develop a degree of skepticism and will not have a favourable outlook towards that particular religion.

This is something that people who are quick to play the Islamophobia card need to understand. Yes it is true that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, but it is also true that the vast majority of terrorists claim to be Muslims and carry the banners of Islam. In a situation like this, how do you expect Islamophobia to not flourish?

If the followers of some other religion were so predominant when it comes to terrorism, a large portion of the people who now condemn Islamophobia would be making sweeping statements about that particular religion and its followers. In Pakistan, we are witnessing this practically when it comes to India.

Over the last few years, communal violence and religious discrimination have been on the rise in India. As a result, people in Pakistan have not been shy of making sweeping statements about how India has become an extremist country, the people are not tolerant, it is not a safe country for Muslims etc. etc.

They do not show any sensitivity and regard to the fact that the vast majority of Hindus in India are tolerant and peace-loving, and thus it would be a generalisation to put these labels on India based on the actions of a minority of Hindus.

Our views on India these days are no different to the views of the so-called Islamophobes, and thus we are clearly showing traits of Hindu/Indophobia. However, because of our collective biases, we fail to practice what we preach and unfortunately, have lost the ability to recognise our double-standards and hypocrisy as well.

I believe that sweeping everything under the carpet as Islamophobia and playing the "if it is a brown man he is a terrorist, if it is a white man he is mentally deranged" card is not the solution to this problem.

No problem can ever be solved without recognising the problem and understanding the symptoms. Islamophobia and the general stereotyping of Muslims is not the root cause of Islamic terrorism; it is the result of the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations identify themselves as Muslims.

We Muslims and the Muslim countries also need to look inwards and recognise the elements within the teachings of Islam that when taken out of context, can lead to extremist ideologies. After all, these terrorist organisations frequently quote the teachings of Islam to defend and justify their actions, and how all of this is simply an act of jihad which is the duty of every Muslim.

Not a single terrorist that has identified himself as a Muslim has ever claimed that his actions are not in line with Islamic teachings, and thus, within the teachings of Islam, there is undeniable potential of misinterpretation that have sowed the seeds for terrorism and extremism.

As a result, instead of accusing the world of Islamophobia and giving protection to terrorists and militants for the sake of geopolitics, it is important for Muslim leaders to do more and promote the peaceful version of Islam, not only through awareness but by adopting a zero-tolerance policy. This is the only long-term solution of putting an end to Islamophobia.

It will only flourish as long as we (the Muslims) sit and do nothing apart from condemning it, while the majority of the terror attacks are conducted in the name of Islam. That is what has happened post 9/11 and this what is going to happen in the future if we don't change our ways.

I can see why some or many may disagree with you and condemn your post but I have to say that I understand what you mean. I dont agree with you most if the time, but here I do agree with you. Let me also now say that I am sick and tired of the straight up bull I hear when a white guy does a Clear Cut act of terror and they dont condemn it as such. It makes my blood boil when they treat their white supremacists that do these things without the same exact treatment. It's making me so angry as I type this and I remember the innocent that were praying in the house of God that have done absolute Zero to deserve this, I wish I can find this guy myself and give him the treatment that he has given to the innocent.

I will be praying for the families that are sufferings, for the safety of our brothers and sisters in the countries abroad, and for those that were martyred today. So so so sad day for us all.

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has suffered from "attention seeking" issues for a long time. He just wants to be different whether it's cricket, religion, social issues, politics etc

I didnt bother reading his post and he may not be entirely wrong either but everything has time and place. We have discussed issues surrounding Muslims many times and almost everyone disagree with Zia type personalities or Al Qaeda type orgs. The issue being discussed is "Islamophobia" and that needs to be addressed as much as extremism in Islam, Wahabism etc. We are seeing rise of right wing politics all around the world with extremists like Trump, Geet Wilders, Pauline Hanson (in Aus), Modi, Netanyahu etc getting popular. It was only matter of time this sort of incident was going to happen and i wont be surprised if it happens in Australia either.
I remember few months ago an idiot who could hardly stand on his feet attacked few people with knife and he turned out to be Muslim, who Australia erupted in anger and almost everyone wanted Muslims to be kicked out from Australia; even Aussie Prime Minister's comments were hateful and it was extremely sad. First time in my life i actually felt threatened with extreme hatred from media, everyone calling that knife attack as serious terrorist attack.
Guess what, today same media called this attack in NZ which was many times more horrific as violence (and not a terrorist attack). THIS MUST CHANGE!

But Mr attention seeker missed the point entirely and as usually started his own little rant.
 
He was known as the basement sheikh, the guy had no pulpit in a major mosque in Dearborn. I know this for a fact. He's internet famous, so how and where did you go to his sermon? You're not lying are you?

Ohh the ignorance!!!!

He went totally online after he was busted for fraud. Before that he was giving sermons at Umar Bin Khattab mosque
 
Ohh the ignorance!!!!

He went totally online after he was busted for fraud. Before that he was giving sermons at Umar Bin Khattab mosque

Which is about 20km away from Dearborn. Quit lying. None of this happened did it?
 
My question is simple:

Why are we not prepared to discuss the undeniable reality that the vast majority of terrorists and the vast majority of terrorist organisations in the world identify themselves as Muslims and are prepared to defend their actions using religious scriptures?

Why are the majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations not identifying themselves as Christians, Hindus or Jews? Why Muslims?

As long as we are not prepared to tackle these uncomfortable questions, we cannot find a solution to Islamic terrorism and Islamophobia.

Before we can go anywhere can you Define what is a terrorist for me?
 
Which is about 20km away from Dearborn. Quit lying. None of this happened did it?

Dude. If you are from dearborn, you know I'm speaking the truth. If you are not, you are ignorant. Now whatever you say, I can easily say you are a liar as well. So stop with the personal attacks and answer only if you have a logical counter argument. I don't have time neither to justify nor to fabricate when you can easily check online documented sources for validity
 

A very good recent example.

A Somalian man attacks a few people in Melbourne CBD with knife.
- Turns out that he was mentally unstable
- He believed he was being chased by "unseen people with spears"
- He had a troubled relationship with family and was kicked out many times
- He had not visited the mosque for decades

But it was a TERRORIST attack, whole country erupted into anger and rage and every Muslim was blamed and considered responsible for the attack. If you read comments on facebook pages of major channels, most comments were EXTREMELY hateful and it was normal for people to call all Muslims terrorists and most wanted Muslims to be kicked out of country.
Prime Minister of Australia said "Islamic extremism the greatest threat to Australia’s national security"

Few months later, few White Supremacists attack couple of mosques killing around 50 injuring dozens and for 90% media it is a shooting incident and culprits were shooters (barring couple of people here and there). Absolutely shocking double standards!
 
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Dude. If you are from dearborn, you know I'm speaking the truth. If you are not, you are ignorant. Now whatever you say, I can easily say you are a liar as well. So stop with the personal attacks and answer only if you have a logical counter argument. I don't have time neither to justify nor to fabricate when you can easily check online documented sources for validity

It's difficult to have any kind of discussion with someone who brings nothing but lies to the table.
 
I have attended a couple of sermons with a few friends. What bothers me is the hate for the west while sitting in the west and enjoying the benefits of the west.

If you are worried about a few muslims or immigrants acting badly then you don't know america very well or its history. Let me just put it this way, not all muslims came to America willingly, some were slaves. Other people like Anjem Chaudhry are promoted on Fox News who has a clear agenda to show all muslims are extremists. If you are falling prey to that narrative then you are a hypocrite.

Dearborn MI is targetted for bigotted reasons, if you look at rest of MI and places like Detroit you will actually think it is not a bad place.
 
Because of their bias and prejudice. More than the statement of the PM, it was the statement of an Australian senator who blamed New Zealand's immigration policy for letting "Muslim fanatics" in their country that has been widely condemned and rightfully criticised.

However, is point out the obvious discrimination against Muslims the solution to putting an end to Islamophobia, or is there something that the Muslim community can do to change the outlook of Muslims around the world? The former is obviously much, much easier, but so far, it has failed to provide a solution.

The discussion about how Muslim communities must change their outlook is not a new one, every Muslim has to answer for it from Pakistan to USA. Governments and organisations are held to account right down to charities and religious spokesmen.

What does this have to do with New Zealand though? It is only a relatively small Muslim community that lives there, most of those killed were Bangladeshis who have no record of causing any problems in the country. Are you saying it is understandable to kill Muslims wherever they live because of something which happens in Pakistan? I know your Indian friend feels that maybe they deserved it because there is a guy called Anjem Choudhery who used to say controversial stuff in the UK.
 
A very good recent example.

A Somalian man attacks a few people in Melbourne CBD with knife.
- Turns out that he was mentally unstable
- He believed he was being chased by "unseen people with spears"
- He had a troubled relationship with family and was kicked out many times
- He had not visited the mosque for decades

But it was a TERRORIST attack, whole country erupted into anger and rage and every Muslim was blamed and considered responsible for the attack. If you read comments on facebook pages of major channels, most comments were EXTREMELY hateful and it was normal for people to call all Muslims terrorists and most wanted Muslims to be kicked out of country.
Prime Minister of Australia said "Islamic extremism the greatest threat to Australia’s national security"

Few months later, few White Supremacists attack couple of mosques killing around 50 injuring dozens and for 90% media it is a shooting incident and culprits were shooters (barring couple of people here and there). Absolutely shocking double standards!

Sad but how can we blame them when some of our own are brainwashed by media and instead of defending us they are blaming us?
 
Blaming everything on 9/11 - That is easy way out.

There have been hundreds of attacks perpetrated by Muslims all around the world. That is the reason of Islamophobia. I hope others can see the correct picture.
 
Unfortunately, people are not willing to accept the fact that most terrorists identify themselves as Muslims and are also prepared to defend their actions using Islamic teachings. It is an uncomfortable truth and they are shying away from dissecting that problem, which in my opinion is the only solution to put an end to Islamophobia.
I am not willing to accept it because Islam does not teach the killing of the innocent, so your argument is proven incorrect at the very first step. It is NOT Islamic teaching. Just because someone says they are Muslim does not make them a Muslim. Their actions do.

How else would you dissect it? I can only speak about how Pakistanis are dealing with it. We have lost hundreds of our soldiers and citizens in fighting extremism of this type. Other countries can do their part of fighting it but we are seriously deluded if we think it’s as simple as shutting down Madrasahs or killing or jailing a few extremist mullahs. The issue of terrorism has become far more complex now. Its mostly evil political agendas that are paying the extremists to do their dirty jobs now. They have all become mercs now. For the right price, they will do jihad against anyone.


So quit bashing Islam and Muslims. You should know better
 
Imran Khan is absolutely right. A powerful and concise statement.
 
Blaming everything on 9/11 - That is easy way out.

There have been hundreds of attacks perpetrated by Muslims all around the world. That is the reason of Islamophobia. I hope others can see the correct picture.

There have also been hundreds of attacks perpetrated by non-Muslims around the world, at govt level in many cases. Is that also part of the correct picture?
 
Blaming everything on 9/11 - That is easy way out.

There have been hundreds of attacks perpetrated by Muslims all around the world. That is the reason of Islamophobia. I hope others can see the correct picture.

More attacks since 9/11 was done by non-Muslims rather than Muslims. Infact, 2% of attacks in America since 9/11 were by Muslims. I say keep your theories to yourself or do some research before saying anything.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

The Quebec Muslim shooting victims were prime example of model citizens. They were french speaking Muslims, who integrated very well in the community. As a part of community, they celebrated all Canadian events, called Canada their home (and not Lebanon or other places where they or their parents came from). They had good jobs, paid their taxes and were law abiding citizens.

How come these Muslims who were so integrated into the society got attacked by a gunman in Jan-2017 during Fajr prayers? Do you blame the conduct of absolute minority of 1.6B Muslims on these innocent Quebec Muslims?

Similar case goes for the NZ victims as well. There were kids there for goodness sake.
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

Nevertheless, when it comes to Islamophobia, we need to identify its origins and its cause. This is of course not an attempt to justify it, but is simply an attempt to understand its prominence. Not everything can be justified, but there is always a reason for everything.

It is also important to put ourselves in the shoes of others and look at it from a different perspective. The vast majority of the terrorist organisations conduct these attacks in the name of Islam, and the vast majority of terrorists identify themselves as the true followers of Islam.

As Muslims, we are quick to dismiss that notion and claim that these people have nothing to do with Islam, and are following a version of the faith that cannot be further from the truth, since Islam is not a religion that propagates terrorism and violence.

However, you cannot expect the non-Muslim community to respect these intricacies and exhibit a clear understanding of the distinction between the version of Islam that the Islamic terrorists claim to follow (the minority) and the version of Islam that the majority of peaceful Muslims claim to follow.

When one particular religion or ideology is overwhelmingly prevalent when it comes to terrorism, it is inevitable that people will develop a degree of skepticism and will not have a favourable outlook towards that particular religion.

This is something that people who are quick to play the Islamophobia card need to understand. Yes it is true that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, but it is also true that the vast majority of terrorists claim to be Muslims and carry the banners of Islam. In a situation like this, how do you expect Islamophobia to not flourish?

If the followers of some other religion were so predominant when it comes to terrorism, a large portion of the people who now condemn Islamophobia would be making sweeping statements about that particular religion and its followers. In Pakistan, we are witnessing this practically when it comes to India.

Over the last few years, communal violence and religious discrimination have been on the rise in India. As a result, people in Pakistan have not been shy of making sweeping statements about how India has become an extremist country, the people are not tolerant, it is not a safe country for Muslims etc. etc.

They do not show any sensitivity and regard to the fact that the vast majority of Hindus in India are tolerant and peace-loving, and thus it would be a generalisation to put these labels on India based on the actions of a minority of Hindus.

Our views on India these days are no different to the views of the so-called Islamophobes, and thus we are clearly showing traits of Hindu/Indophobia. However, because of our collective biases, we fail to practice what we preach and unfortunately, have lost the ability to recognise our double-standards and hypocrisy as well.

I believe that sweeping everything under the carpet as Islamophobia and playing the "if it is a brown man he is a terrorist, if it is a white man he is mentally deranged" card is not the solution to this problem.

No problem can ever be solved without recognising the problem and understanding the symptoms. Islamophobia and the general stereotyping of Muslims is not the root cause of Islamic terrorism; it is the result of the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations identify themselves as Muslims.

We Muslims and the Muslim countries also need to look inwards and recognise the elements within the teachings of Islam that when taken out of context, can lead to extremist ideologies. After all, these terrorist organisations frequently quote the teachings of Islam to defend and justify their actions, and how all of this is simply an act of jihad which is the duty of every Muslim.

Not a single terrorist that has identified himself as a Muslim has ever claimed that his actions are not in line with Islamic teachings, and thus, within the teachings of Islam, there is undeniable potential of misinterpretation that have sowed the seeds for terrorism and extremism.

As a result, instead of accusing the world of Islamophobia and giving protection to terrorists and militants for the sake of geopolitics, it is important for Muslim leaders to do more and promote the peaceful version of Islam, not only through awareness but by adopting a zero-tolerance policy. This is the only long-term solution of putting an end to Islamophobia.

It will only flourish as long as we (the Muslims) sit and do nothing apart from condemning it, while the majority of the terror attacks are conducted in the name of Islam. That is what has happened post 9/11 and this what is going to happen in the future if we don't change our ways.

one of the worst posts ive seen on this forum and at the worst possible time..kuch sharam or haya kuro..you sound like one of those hinduvta extremists and other indians who have been rejoicing this attack..There is a reason for islamaphobia and its to do with geopolitics and the wests desire to ensure its supremacy..end of..I can go on and on with evidence but Im not going to waste my time answer back to a 23 year old who was a child when 9/11 happened..you have no idea what your talking about so stop pretending that you do..
 
There are sick people in every society, no matter what you do, you cannot prevent them from existing on the planet.
 
Not only Imran, but 99.9% of the Muslims have been saying the same since 9/11. There is nothing unique about his comment and neither is it particularly insightful - it is simply a general statement that has been made a billion times by a billion people. Not sure why people are congratulating him for stating the obvious.

It is understandable that this attack - or any attack on Muslims - is considered as an outcome of the rising Islamophobia in the modern world, and the white supremacists who carry out these attacks are terrorists and should be called out for who they are.

Nevertheless, when it comes to Islamophobia, we need to identify its origins and its cause. This is of course not an attempt to justify it, but is simply an attempt to understand its prominence. Not everything can be justified, but there is always a reason for everything.

It is also important to put ourselves in the shoes of others and look at it from a different perspective. The vast majority of the terrorist organisations conduct these attacks in the name of Islam, and the vast majority of terrorists identify themselves as the true followers of Islam.

As Muslims, we are quick to dismiss that notion and claim that these people have nothing to do with Islam, and are following a version of the faith that cannot be further from the truth, since Islam is not a religion that propagates terrorism and violence.

However, you cannot expect the non-Muslim community to respect these intricacies and exhibit a clear understanding of the distinction between the version of Islam that the Islamic terrorists claim to follow (the minority) and the version of Islam that the majority of peaceful Muslims claim to follow.

When one particular religion or ideology is overwhelmingly prevalent when it comes to terrorism, it is inevitable that people will develop a degree of skepticism and will not have a favourable outlook towards that particular religion.

This is something that people who are quick to play the Islamophobia card need to understand. Yes it is true that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, but it is also true that the vast majority of terrorists claim to be Muslims and carry the banners of Islam. In a situation like this, how do you expect Islamophobia to not flourish?

If the followers of some other religion were so predominant when it comes to terrorism, a large portion of the people who now condemn Islamophobia would be making sweeping statements about that particular religion and its followers. In Pakistan, we are witnessing this practically when it comes to India.

Over the last few years, communal violence and religious discrimination have been on the rise in India. As a result, people in Pakistan have not been shy of making sweeping statements about how India has become an extremist country, the people are not tolerant, it is not a safe country for Muslims etc. etc.

They do not show any sensitivity and regard to the fact that the vast majority of Hindus in India are tolerant and peace-loving, and thus it would be a generalisation to put these labels on India based on the actions of a minority of Hindus.

Our views on India these days are no different to the views of the so-called Islamophobes, and thus we are clearly showing traits of Hindu/Indophobia. However, because of our collective biases, we fail to practice what we preach and unfortunately, have lost the ability to recognise our double-standards and hypocrisy as well.

I believe that sweeping everything under the carpet as Islamophobia and playing the "if it is a brown man he is a terrorist, if it is a white man he is mentally deranged" card is not the solution to this problem.

No problem can ever be solved without recognising the problem and understanding the symptoms. Islamophobia and the general stereotyping of Muslims is not the root cause of Islamic terrorism; it is the result of the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and terrorist organisations identify themselves as Muslims.

We Muslims and the Muslim countries also need to look inwards and recognise the elements within the teachings of Islam that when taken out of context, can lead to extremist ideologies. After all, these terrorist organisations frequently quote the teachings of Islam to defend and justify their actions, and how all of this is simply an act of jihad which is the duty of every Muslim.

Not a single terrorist that has identified himself as a Muslim has ever claimed that his actions are not in line with Islamic teachings, and thus, within the teachings of Islam, there is undeniable potential of misinterpretation that have sowed the seeds for terrorism and extremism.

As a result, instead of accusing the world of Islamophobia and giving protection to terrorists and militants for the sake of geopolitics, it is important for Muslim leaders to do more and promote the peaceful version of Islam, not only through awareness but by adopting a zero-tolerance policy. This is the only long-term solution of putting an end to Islamophobia.

It will only flourish as long as we (the Muslims) sit and do nothing apart from condemning it, while the majority of the terror attacks are conducted in the name of Islam. That is what has happened post 9/11 and this what is going to happen in the future if we don't change our ways.

Brilliant post. I can understand why it has triggered so many posters here. They have completely missed the point you tried to raise.
 
I do not support this heinous act or any act of violence but redundant statements like Imran's are neither going to change any minds nor do they present a solution.
 
Brilliant post. I can understand why it has triggered so many posters here. They have completely missed the point you tried to raise.

It was the most stupid post on PP for many years. I will debate with you because that poster is nothing but an attention seeker.

What was the point he raised?
 
It was the most stupid post on PP for many years. I will debate with you because that poster is nothing but an attention seeker.

What was the point he raised?

Think the point was its Muslims who have brought it on themselves. Obviously very attractive to some people.
 
Think the point was its Muslims who have brought it on themselves. Obviously very attractive to some people.

With such logic, the 3000 people cowardly killed on 911 deserved it. The hundreds cowardly killed in Mumbai deserved it because in both cases the murderers believed both nations(US and Ind) were guilty of killing innocent people and therefore deserved retribution.

No innocent person has any guilt because of association or because of citizenship. Anyone who uses such logic has an extremist mind and is not far off from justifying it.
 
It was the most stupid post on PP for many years. I will debate with you because that poster is nothing but an attention seeker.

What was the point he raised?

You should read his post again without any bias to see the point he raised. BTW, I did not see him justifying this heinous act.
 
No innocent person has any guilt because of association or because of citizenship. Anyone who uses such logic has an extremist mind and is not far off from justifying it.

Totally agree - this is one of the extremist hallmarks, “no person is innocent in this country” / “innocent is a strong word for these people” etc.
 
The terrorists both Muslim and non-Muslim are trying to create a cycle of violence whereby one attack precedes another, and another, so much so that society becomes so polarised that even the "moderate" Muslim and non-Muslim communities become radicalised.

We must not fall into their trap by grabbing each other's throats.

I don't know understand this argument of "moderate Muslims must do more to combat terrorism in their community" any more than "moderate whites must do more..." which I admittedly I used to be convinced of - are we meant to interrogate our neighbours and put them under surveillance ? The best we can do is report any hate speech at our mosques or places of work, or online.

You cannot always stop evil men trying to do evil things. This is why we need law enforcement dealing with counter terrorism to be properly resourced to tackle all types of extremism.
 
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