Yes, it is common perception among the Westerners that whole Muslim community undermine their culture and values. They want to come in millions to the West and want to take advantage of their system and loot i, but they do not want to integrate.
I don’t think that’s the existing common perception nor do I believe that such perception is based on facts and ground reality. Regardless of the biased perception you mentioned that doesn’t justify what you did: Putting all the Muslims in the same basket as the Muslim terrorists and holding them equally responsible for the actions of few fanatic individuals. Upon me pointing out your unjust and ignorant point of view you further go on to justify it. Which shows me you are a deceitful and dishonest person. Anyone with a sense of morality and common sense would understand why it is wrong to condemn and blame each and every individual of a community for the actions of a handful of fanatics.
And as Imran Khan spoke out his mind that Media is responsible for this Islamophobia, then Westerners today are also speaking out of their minds that it is Kafirophobia, and culprit for this Kafirophobia is Quran and Sharia which don't let the Muslims in Europe to integrate into the society and turning millions of them into the terrorists.
I agree to some extent with Imran Khan’s sentiments that the global media played a negative role in spreading false and one-sided anti-Muslim narrative. I know this because I am exposed to this media every day. The result of this heavily biased narrative is the increasing mistrust in the population, a wide spread of misinformation and the breeding ground for extremism. The increase in misinformation and one-sided narrative leads to the kind of ignorant and prejudiced opinion which you expressed in the beginning of your post disguised as “common perception amongst the Westerners”.
At the same time I believe there are multiple facets to this problem at hands and the media’s negative role is one big part of it. Other facets are indeed the increased number of terrorist attacks in recent times and a very tiny minority of Muslims in the west who are finding it hard to integrate. However, the lack of integration can be found in varying degrees amongst immigrants of many different backgrounds, irrespective of their religious inclination. Hence the reason behind it is much more complex and of socio-economic nature than the simplistic view you are trying to sell. I also believe that if the media were to play a more unbiased and constructive role than the other two facets are easier to handle. The media’s role is by far the most destructive.
The controversial verses in Quran are “turning millions of them into terrorists”? This is nothing but vast distortion of the reality and over the top exaggeration. According to the USA the IS terrorists number around 40000, the afghan Taliban (which aren’t terrorist according to USA) number around 100’000 then let’s add another 200’000 for al-Qaida and various kind of other terror organization and we end up at around 300’000- 400’000 terrorists and their sympathizers in the whole world. I was being vastly generous with the numbers here, mind you.
Now let’s not forget you mentioned those figures in the context of Muslims living in the west. So you claim millions of Muslims in Europe are turning into terrorists when the most generous calculation gives me a figure of 400’000 terrorists motivated by Islamist goals across the globe. The number of terrorist from Europe who went to join IS is in thousands and I will be generous and say it’s 10’000. Anyhow the bottom line is you are making things as you feel like and your claims don’t hold up under proper scrutiny. Your words can't be trusted.
Heavy Majority of the Westerners hate these White supremacists, and criticize them, and made laws against their white supremacy Syndrom.
I agree! Majority of them are also far more educated and had the luxury of proper schooling than the average Muslim living in the orient.
But what about the Muslims? Do they criticize their sacred texts for the teachings about Kafirophobia and not to integrate in their society, but only to move in their countries in order to loot them?
You start with a good question but than derail into gibberish and ignorant over the top misrepresentation of the situation. I am just going to address your legitimate question and ignore your rubbish at the end.
Yes, unfortunately a Muslim would never directly criticize or even think of reforming Quran and editing out controversial verses, since that would break the very premise of their religious claim that their holy book is free from any distortion or man made changes. The whole pretext is that the book is from God and each word remains the same as it was revealed. If a Mullah were to scrutinize it and make amendments in it he may very well accept that his religion is just like any other and man-made and may as well renounce it.
Hence the best they can do is put those controversial verses in their proper historical context and make a case for why they aren’t relevant for our times. And indeed, many Muslim scholars have done so. They have rejected, disowned and disapproved of the narrative spread by terrorists of al-Qaeda and IS. They have repeatedly issued fatwas and statements on how the terrorist’s use of the text is completely wrong and a misuse. Not just that Muslims too hate the terrorists, criticize and disassociate themselves from them.
When IS declared its fake Khilafah they told the whole Muslim world that migration to this fake Khilafah is a religious obligation now and refusal to do so would make one an apostate. As we all know except for a few fanatics with psychological issues the rest of over 1 billion Muslim didn’t give too hoot about it and outright rejected their false representation of Islam. That’s a major proof of general Muslims rejecting the terrorist’s narrative. However here is where the negative role of the media gets exposed. They make little to no effort to highlight these facts and bring these things in the attention of badly informed public. The media would do an hour long documentary of one or two teenager with mental issues which ran to Syria but would rarely bring to mainstream the views of those millions of Muslims who refused IS and its fake Khilafah.
False, dishonesty and deception by Muslim apologists.
No actually it’s a lack of reading skills on your side.
The part you quoted isn’t my opinion nor am I quoting the opinion of a Muslim apologist. Actually, I am using you standard: You took the white-supermacist terrorist’s narrative and tried justifying it and explaining it’s relevance. Likewise I too took the Muslim terrorist’s manifesto and brought it to your intention. Perhaps the terrorist’s manifesto is dishonest but what isn’t false and dishonest, is my summary of it.
If it was against the occupation of Muslim lands, then not millions of Muslims were giving applications to let them allow to live in that same tyrant West.
Grammatically a bit difficult to decipher.
However, I feel like you are once again shamelessly and cunningly equating Muslims with terrorists misusing Islam. The action of one has nothing to do with the action of the other. Understand this basic concept! Muslims have been migrating into west as early as 60s. The Islamist terrorists at large officially announced themselves in the 90s. I don’t see what the terrorist’s manifesto and their motivational reason have anything to do with the average Muslim migrating to west.
And if it was against the occupation only, then we would have never seen these things happening on the roads of the Western Countries.
What’s exactly is your point here? Are these al-Qaeda or IS terrorist and what are they doing holding protest banners instead of guns? What’s the correlation between Islamist terrorist’s manifesto and these bunch of lunatics with a controversial banner?
Read my challenge again. Then explain to me how those banners have anything to do with Islamist terrorists justifying their terror attacks, by citing their hatred for European culture, instead of their perceived unjust bombardment of muslim lands.
While Muslims are almost negligible in numbers in countries like Brazil and Poland etc as compared to UK, Germany and France.
Secondly, these countries are not know for their Human Rights as UK, Germany and France.
If Muslim minority try to make such attacks in these countries, then response from the Majority against the Muslim community will be tens of times more as compared to UK, Germany and France.
Muslims also know it and thus fear the response.
Few things to note:
- You once again equate common Muslims with Islamist terrorists. In other words it seems like for you this holds: a Muslim = terrorist.
- You seem to live in a distorted paranoid reality where there is some kind of a Muslim conspiracy where Muslims, who all incline towards terrorism in your view, intentionally pick those country as targets where they fear less response from the population. So let me get this straight the terrorist who blows himself up in a metro situation and hence gets killed, still somehow fears the response of the population? He is already dead! Oh and his concern for the local Muslim community can’t be all too high either, since when he blows himself up in a jam-packed train Muslims and non-Muslims alike are killed.
- You somehow think that people in eastern Europe are barbaric and still live in medieval times, who would not hesitate to punish and lynch a whole community for the actions of some. If they have no regard for human rights than what exactly differentiat their culture and values from the culture and values of a terrorist?
Honestly in your attempt to deny a clear pattern between the countries the terrorists chose to target and the countries free from any terrorist activity, you have shown your true nature of an ignorant, deceitful and shameless person.
Ok let me for one moment accept your worldview and try to argue in it. So the Muslims choose their target countries with a strategy in mind. However, now the recent events have shown that Muslims aren’t save in New Zealand, even though so far they haven’t strategically done any terror attacks in New Zealand ( as you mentioned because they think Kiwis don’t respect human rights as much as the likes in UK and France).
Ok so what can we expect the new strategy of Muslims to be? Since apparently even if they attack in countries like UK and France they should regardless still fear attacks in other countries where they are in less numbers. So can we expect Muslims to drastically decrease their terror attacks in lights of these new findings? Or can we expect them to attack all countries since they wont remain their unharmed anyway? What's your expert opinion on these daramatic turn of events?
What to talk about Brazil and Poland, just look at India. There are about 180 million Muslims in India, but living like coward jackals.
Yes, Indian Muslims are living like coward Jackals, due to the fear of the extreme Hindutva forces in India.
Oh great! another insight in your distorted, ignorant and bigoted world view.
So let me get this straight if Muslims in some part of the world aren’t acting out there terroristic inclination and are living peacefully it must be because they are cowards and has nothing to do with them being perhaps genuinely of peaceful nature. It is also good to see you indirectly justifying Hindu extremism, apparently it’s there to keep those evil terroristic inclinations of Muslims in check and deserves no condemnation nor is it a problem, got it!
How can one even feel motivated enough to argue with you. When no matter the situation, no matter the odds you are always going to spin it in a way to support your narrative, no matter how ridicuolous and lunatic it might be.
Due to the fear of these Hindu fanatics, we see that Deoband School and all Muslim politicians are raising the slogans like "Long Live Secularism" and even "Pakistan Murdabad".
While in Pakistan, these same Deobandis are calling for "Islamic Sharia" and want to slaughter the throats of all those Secularists who suggest to have modern human Secular laws instead of thousands of years old Sharia laws.
I know you must have felt pretty smart by using big words like “Deobandis”. However let’s test your ability to connect the dots and look at things sincerely.
Pakistan was created in 1947, from there until 2000s we saw very little of these “Deobandi terrorists” activities in Pakistan, why? In fact Deobandi scholars gave their seal of approval on Pakistani constitution. Where were these Deobandis and their throat slaughtering tendencies for the good part of Pakistani history?
The established fact is that in the 1980s under the permission of USA and it’s western allies, to combat Soviet Union, the ISI and CIA heavily recruited students from Deobandi backgrounds for American approved “Jihad” in Afghanistan. For their proxy war and self-interest they radicalized and misused this group the most. Darul-uloom Haqqani run by Maulana Sami-ul-Haq being the most famous one.
Today there are thousands of mainstream Deobandi affiliated madrassahs in Pakistan and I want you to give me evidence of them preaching what you accuse them off. You have a very bad habit of distorting facts and exaggerating. The reality is that yes there are quite a few problematic militant organizations in Pakistan whose vast majority of members follow Deobandi school of thought, however despite that they have been rejected by the mainstream Deobandi scholars in Pakistan!
Be it, Mufti Taqi Usmani, one of the most respected Deobandi scholar in Pakistan or Maulan Ilyas Ghumman and many more, all of them have dissociated themselves from such organization. If you are true in your claim I want you to give me a speech or writing by Taqi Usmani telling his students to “slaughter the throats of Secularist”.
Reason why Muslim is killing a Muslim also lies in Quran/Sharia, while all those who don't accept the thousands of years old Sharia laws, all of them have become Kafirs and should be killed.
That is why Taliban is declaring Pakistani Constitution to be a Kafir constitution.
Then comes the Islamic teachings that only one sect could go to the Jannah, and thus Shias and Qadiyanis and Brailvies being killed by the pious and 100% Sharia oriented Muslims, just like they kill the western Kafirs.
Nice of you to run with and accept the terrorist's narrative as the truth without having any words for the vicitims.
Once again this is the terrorist’s narrative and mainstream Muslim scholars have rejected them just like the majority of local Muslim population. Otherwise the whole of Pakistan would be in civil war because Barelvis, Shias and Deobandis, despite their disagreements on certain issues, still live in large numbers next to eachother.
It’s not Muslim killing a Muslim as you wrongfully misrepresented the situation but the terrorist killing the Muslims, the very same terrorist which are also killing in Europe. Meaning the Muslims and non-Muslim all are sitting in the same boat and targeted by the same terrorists.
However you don’t want to accept that nor does the media want to highlight it because that won’t suit the one-sided narrative! I mean I already know you are such a decietful person that for you terrorists killing Muslim is the same as Muslim killing Muslims. Since Muslim = terrorist so you are quite convinently useing those words interchangeably.
False accusation.
No one justified the white supremacy or the terrorist attacks.
Only showed Muslims the real facts and their double standards where they think their leaders like Imran khan and Erdogan are allowed to point out Media for being culprit for the Islamophobia, but they don't allow the others to point out the Kafirophobia and it's culprit, the Quran and Shariah.
"Only showed Muslims the real facts" yeah great cope out. Just like how the Islamic terrorists are showing the rest of the world "the real facts" and hence justifying their attacks.
99.99% of the Muslims reading the same Quran reject and disapprove of the terrorist actions. And you still think that the text is the main cause of the rise in terrorism and nothing else.
One final note: Through out your post you have been repeadly painting the scenario of a decisve, pre-planned, Muslim conspiracy where "millions of muslim are eager to come to west to loot it". Let's look at the recent surge of muslim refugees towards Turkey and european countries.
Do you think this surge of millions of muslim towards west is becuase:
a) Muslim text tells them to runs in millions towards west to loot it.
b) the direct consequence of the ongoing war in syria leaving millions displaced and unshelterd.
Why didn't these milions of Syrians think to "run towards west and loot it" earlier?
a) They where busy reading their religous text and hadn't gotten to the part where it tells them to go to west and loot it.
b) there was no devastating war in syria yet.
These lost and sick minds think that old times were like Orlando Bloom's movie 
