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"I don't think we should go gaga about him (Mohammad Amir)" : Rohit Sharma

street cricketer said:
Finally our players are having the guts to give out Pakistaniesque interviews:akhtar

This is almost an Indian version of ghar ka kohli interview:mj

#ghar ka amir
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However it will require Amir at least 8-10 more years to match up Kohli's show till date :asif
 
I think It's time Amir actually goes on to win a match on his own for Pakistan. Stage is set for him, An Ali like interview that should give him enough motivation on a bowler friendly Eden Gardens wicket. It is now or never for Amir ,let's wait and see if he can get a 5/6 fer agains India,should be fun
 
carrom_ball said:
Already 3 pages for this thread, I wonder how many will this reach before 19th march and who will get to bump it on that day :yk2 :srini
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Not just on that day.

I guarantee you this thread will be bumped through the careers of both cricketers, years from now, and possibly after they retire.
 
Looks like Johnson not happy with Sharma ji statements. Here are johnson tweets

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ball swinging back in..... Not the first time it's happened! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/leftarmer?src=hash">#leftarmer</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/outplayed?src=hash">#outplayed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sameold?src=hash">#sameold</a></p>— Mitchell Johnson (@MitchJohnson398) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchJohnson398/status/707438601169215490">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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street cricketer said:
Wasim and Waqar did it. Imran did it.

Steyn does it from time to time.

The West Indian quartet could do it too.
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Don't think they could on flat pattas like the one in Australia recently, without reverse swing. We all know how that's only possible in Tests now. In LOIs with the 2 new ball rule, it's practically out of the game. Add to that all the support batsmen get these days like their bats and shorter boundaries, and you'd be hard pressed to make an equal comparison. Even steyn and starc got smashed in the IPL.
 
He is putting pressure on himself against Aamir. He will feel it when they meet up again. But he is not wrong that Aamir has to prove it consistently
 
I think now rohit is ghar ka sher he is thinking I m gonna destroy amir who is amir??? Bumrah is a special bowler!! Loooool!!!!just wait and watch Mr FTB
 
Rohit will smash Amir this time. He's the ultimate FTB playing in his favourite ground. Amir is mediocre on flat tracks.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Don't think they could on flat pattas like the one in Australia recently, without reverse swing. We all know how that's only possible in Tests now. In LOIs with the 2 new ball rule, it's practically out of the game. Add to that all the support batsmen get these days like their bats and shorter boundaries, and you'd be hard pressed to make an equal comparison. Even steyn and starc got smashed in the IPL.
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When did LOIs come into the picture?

We were just comparing the two tasks. While I agree that batsmen should be able to adapt to green seaming wickets however malicious they may be, a lot of bowlers get away easily on flat tracks doing nothing. It's true that you can't be as dangerous, however a tall bowler or a capable bowler can well extract whatever out of an unresponsive track for pace bowlers. Morne did it with a spectacular spell against India. Steyn did it in Galle. Australian bowlers regularly do it on their pattas. A lot of bowlers did it in the past. Yes, Imran, 2 Ws did it on wickets which were considered the graveyard for pace bowling.

It's true that a batsman always gets ridiculed when he isn't able to adapt to green tracks (where literally every ball will have your name on the delivery), whereas pace bowlers are completely ignored and given leeway on unresponsive tracks. We all saw how innocuous and "soft" the kiwi attack was when the ball stopped doing something. Our bowlers can't do jack on flat tracks, whereas perform well on helpful wickets. So why the special privilege for bowlers only?
 
ChachaCricket said:
No chance man. Bumrah will dismiss him easily. He's just a legside hack.
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Bumrah is the perfect bowler to get sharjeel out as he always angles it away from the lefty. Sharjeel must hate such kind of bowlers.
 
Madplayer said:
I know but i feel getting sharjeel out is child's play for any thinking bowler like ashwin.
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Sharjeel's problem is shot selection and trying to fire too early. He needs to give himself just a little bit of time to get a feel for the pitch and his opposition.
 
street cricketer said:
When did LOIs come into the picture?

We were just comparing the two tasks. While I agree that batsmen should be able to adapt to green seaming wickets however malicious they may be, a lot of bowlers get away easily on flat tracks doing nothing. It's true that you can't be as dangerous, however a tall bowler or a capable bowler can well extract whatever out of an unresponsive track for pace bowlers. Morne did it with a spectacular spell against India. Steyn did it in Galle. Australian bowlers regularly do it on their pattas. A lot of bowlers did it in the past. Yes, Imran, 2 Ws did it on wickets which were considered the graveyard for pace bowling.

It's true that a batsman always gets ridiculed when he isn't able to adapt to green tracks (where literally every ball will have your name on the delivery), whereas pace bowlers are completely ignored and given leeway on unresponsive tracks. We all saw how innocuous and "soft" the kiwi attack was when the ball stopped doing something. Our bowlers can't do jack on flat tracks, whereas perform well on helpful wickets. So why the special privilege for bowlers only?
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Because as you mentioned yourself how few bowlers of the past could extract some venom out of a lifeless pitch. However, on the other hand, there have been countless other batsmen who have been able to play on green tracks as well as flat.

And we are talking LOIs because that's what Rohit and the people here are judging Amir on.

So no, in LOIs it's even a bigger advantage for batsmen these days due to the pattas and lack of reverse swing.
 
Madplayer said:
I know but i feel getting sharjeel out is child's play for any thinking bowler like ashwin.
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Agreed. Very few left arm batsmen stay on the wicket against Ash. Haris Sohail at WC 15. Sharjeel will be easy prey for him
 
ChachaCricket said:
Sharjeel's problem is shot selection and trying to fire too early. He needs to give himself just a little bit of time to get a feel for the pitch and his opposition.
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I honestly think he has a very loose defense to survive at the top level.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Because as you mentioned yourself how few bowlers of the past could extract some venom out of a lifeless pitch. However, on the other hand, there have been countless other batsmen who have been able to play on green tracks as well as flat.

And we are talking LOIs because that's what Rohit and the people here are judging Amir on.

So no, in LOIs it's even a bigger advantage for batsmen these days due to the pattas and lack of reverse swing.
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I was actually talking generally and not specifically about the LOIs. I know that the rules are in favour of the batsmen on flat tracks. And even if Amir isn't as venomous at the Eden Gardens, I won't rate him any lower. Anyway I wasn't talking about Amir specifically here, but all bowlers in general.

I know that it is very hard for bowlers to run through sides on a flat pitch. However quality bowlers will always find a way to stem the flow of runs and build pressure and thereby get a few wickets even on unresponsive wickets.
 
street cricketer said:
I was actually talking generally and not specifically about the LOIs. I know that the rules are in favour of the batsmen on flat tracks. And even if Amir isn't as venomous at the Eden Gardens, I won't rate him any lower. Anyway I wasn't talking about Amir specifically here, but all bowlers in general.

I know that it is very hard for bowlers to run through sides on a flat pitch. However quality bowlers will always find a way to stem the flow of runs and build pressure and thereby get a few wickets even on unresponsive wickets.
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No doubt, and that's what's the difference between guys like Bumrah (from what we've seen thus far), Amir, Steyn etc (not that they're each comparable) and guys like Ishant, Umar Gul (nowadays) and any other trundler you can think of. These guys leak far more runs than the aforementioned even on flat tracks.

Comparatively it's a lot easier for batsmen to score on a green wicket because a) after a period of time (heck a few overs in the indo-pak game), the ball stops misbehaving and b) if your technique is good, you can score even when the ball still is doing something unlike the case with bowling on flat tracks where the most you can do is contain. So that's why there's a 'double standard'.
 
IcedCoffee said:
No doubt, and that's what's the difference between guys like Bumrah (from what we've seen thus far), Amir, Steyn etc (not that they're each comparable) and guys like Ishant, Umar Gul (nowadays) and any other trundler you can think of. These guys leak far more runs than the aforementioned even on flat tracks.

Comparatively it's a lot easier for batsmen to score on a green wicket because a) after a period of time (heck a few overs in the indo-pak game), the ball stops misbehaving and b) if your technique is good, you can score even when the ball still is doing something unlike the case with bowling on flat tracks where the most you can do is contain. So that's why there's a 'double standard'.
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I agree with you in LOIs.

However in tests, on green wickets, all it takes is one little error in judgment to get your wicket. Almost all of the deliveries in atleast the first two sessions will have your name on it, and one little shot offered to a slightly fuller ball, or a single error in judgement of the line of the ball, and you will be on your way to the pavilion. However bowlers, even if they go for a few runs in one spell, they can always come back again in a new spell or with the old ball, or even when the ball is changed, to get wickets in their new spell. Bowlers do get some leeway for errors in Tests, unlike batsmen.

So I think the difference is exaggerated in Tests.
 
Aman said:
Like who?
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There is Michel Stark. There is another one too. Read my previous passage more carefully, you'll find the answer. ;)

(Point to note My favorite bowler is Amir too, but currently I believe there are few others who are ahead of him because they are proven whereas Amir just returned)
 
Rohit Sharma has spiced up the next encounter for the fans. :mj adding oil to it :rp
 
IcedCoffee said:
Key difference here is that if it were a statement made by some Pakistani cricketer ex or current flaming Kohli, and suggesting that he's a "normal batsman" then most of the pakistani fans would be against him; however, in this case, with the indian doing the trash talking you can see how their fans are split with half of them defending this stance. Which fanbase has the biggest chest-thumpers now?
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The only difference is Kohli won his team many games just in the recent past and Amir hasn't won a single game on his own. TBH, his inability to clean up UAE batsmen on a helpful pitch took the sheen out of his performance against India. Hence the bravado from rivals.
 
street cricketer said:
I agree with you in LOIs.

However in tests, on green wickets, all it takes is one little error in judgment to get your wicket. Almost all of the deliveries in atleast the first two sessions will have your name on it, and one little shot offered to a slightly fuller ball, or a single error in judgement of the line of the ball, and you will be on your way to the pavilion. However bowlers, even if they go for a few runs in one spell, they can always come back again in a new spell or with the old ball, or even when the ball is changed, to get wickets in their new spell. Bowlers do get some leeway for errors in Tests, unlike batsmen.

So I think the difference is exaggerated in Tests.
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I'll say that the difference is definitely less when it comes to difficulty to face in challenging conditions in tests between batsmen and bowlers. I'd say it's about on par there almost (as there are still more flat tracks than seamer assistive ones).

But yea sure, it's more exaggerated in tests but only slightly.
 
rhony said:
The only difference is Kohli won his team many games just in the recent past and Amir hasn't won a single game on his own. TBH, his inability to clean up UAE batsmen on a helpful pitch took the sheen out of his performance against India. Hence the bravado from rivals.
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We've already discussed that bowling in LOIs is at a distinct disadvantage than batting. Even on "green tracks". The ones here the ball stops swinging within a few overs.

And being able to run through attacks isn't a requirement to be a good bowler. He's far better than a "normal bowler" and if the great wasim akram thinks so then who or what is Rohit in comparison.
 
rhony said:
The only difference is Kohli won his team many games just in the recent past and Amir hasn't won a single game on his own. TBH, his inability to clean up UAE batsmen on a helpful pitch took the sheen out of his performance against India. Hence the bravado from rivals.
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Did you watch that Pakistan vs UAE game? Amir was toying them and they were desperately trying to see him off. In a T20. He still picked up two wickets.

Amir, being a bowler, will have more match-winning performances than Kohli, who is also 4-5 years older than him.
 
Bilal7 said:
Did you watch that Pakistan vs UAE game? Amir was toying them and they were desperately trying to see him off. In a T20. He still picked up two wickets.

Amir, being a bowler, will have more match-winning performances than Kohli, who is also 4-5 years older than him.
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Won't, until the Pakistani batsmen are shamed in to performing. It's safe to say that Aamirs inclusion has had no impact on Pakistan's fortunes so far.
 
He is right.. why do indians make a big deal about Amir.. the should be praising there own fast bowlers.. pakistani media dont rave about indian austrailian or any other nation the always maķe big deal about there own.. They got Tendulkur we got Inzamam he is better than and so on ..
 
Anik Sharma said:
There is Michel Stark. There is another one too. Read my previous passage more carefully, you'll find the answer. ;)

(Point to note My favorite bowler is Amir too, but currently I believe there are few others who are ahead of him because they are proven whereas Amir just returned)
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Starc is the only one that is comparable.
 
rhony said:
The only difference is Kohli won his team many games just in the recent past and Amir hasn't won a single game on his own. TBH, his inability to clean up UAE batsmen on a helpful pitch took the sheen out of his performance against India. Hence the bravado from rivals.
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How does a bowler run through a team in a 20/20 ?? That too defending 80 runs, even if the track is helpful ??

If you haven't figured 20/20 is a game totally made for batsmen and sloggers because a bowler has only max 4 overs.

I keep saying if you want a proper contest then Tests are the real battle between a bowler and batsman. ODIs less so because a bowler is still restricted in his lines and how many overs he can bowl but still we can see at least a mini battle and the bowler at least can get in some rhythm.

Amir could have got 6 or 7 wickets but how on earth can he "win on his own" in such a format defending such a low total ??
 
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90MPH said:
How does a bowler run through a team in a 20/20 ?? That too defending 80 runs, even if the track is helpful ??

If you haven't figured 20/20 is a game totally made for batsmen and sloggers because a bowler has only max 4 overs.

I keep saying if you want a proper contest then Tests are the real battle between a bowler and batsman. ODIs less so because a bowler is still restricted in his lines and how many overs he can bowl but still we can see at least a mini battle and the bowler at least can get in some rhythm.

Amir could have got 6 or 7 wickets but how on earth can he "win on his own" in such a format defending such a low total ??
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Agreed. Then people should realize that Amir can't run through line ups. All he can do is pick up an early wicket or two and then a wicket at the end. I believe that's what Sharma said. I for one don't think that Rohit was talking about tests or ODIs. It was about T20s.
 
IcedCoffee said:
We've already discussed that bowling in LOIs is at a distinct disadvantage than batting. Even on "green tracks". The ones here the ball stops swinging within a few overs.

And being able to run through attacks isn't a requirement to be a good bowler. He's far better than a "normal bowler" and if the great wasim akram thinks so then who or what is Rohit in comparison.
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Wasim hasn't faced Amir. Wasim hasn't scored double hundreds in ODIs. Wasim isn't just back from a block buster Australian tour. Rohit might be incorrect in calling Amir an ordinary bowler but don't question his credentials. FTB or not, he's done a few things that a lot of other batsmen could only dream of. Now imagine the ego on such a guy. Imagine his disgust when his own media talks about the same opponent. Now read what he said.
 
Bilal7 said:
Did you watch that Pakistan vs UAE game? Amir was toying them and they were desperately trying to see him off. In a T20. He still picked up two wickets.

Amir, being a bowler, will have more match-winning performances than Kohli, who is also 4-5 years older than him.
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Well..Kohli's been winning games for India for a few years now. Its not his first year. If you are happy with Amir taking 2 wickets against UAE, then fine. But, Isn't that what Rohit said? He said Amir won't run through batting lineups and I didn't see him do that yet. Maybe he does that in the future and then you won't hear such comments again.
 
rhony said:
Wasim hasn't faced Amir. Wasim hasn't scored double hundreds in ODIs. Wasim isn't just back from a block buster Australian tour. Rohit might be incorrect in calling Amir an ordinary bowler but don't question his credentials. FTB or not, he's done a few things that a lot of other batsmen could only dream of. Now imagine the ego on such a guy. Imagine his disgust when his own media talks about the same opponent. Now read what he said.
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I'm well aware of the proceedings and how his ego brought about this statement. That still doesn't justify it. That's what we're arguing here, whether what he said has any credibility or not; we're not arguing why he said it.

Also, what does scoring double hundreds on flat pattas have to do with anything? What good is that experience if you can't survive two balls in slightly challenging conditions? Block buster australian tour? You mean on flat tracks? Again I ask, what exactly does that prove? We're discussing bowlers here, and Wasim has 10x better knowledge about bowling and bowlers who are worthy of being complimented like Amir. So yes, in that regard, again, who or what is Rohit? When he comes into the league of Tendulkar and Lara and such then sure I'll give his statements on bowling some credibility. Until then he's a nobody, at least in this context.
 
IcedCoffee said:
I'm well aware of the proceedings and how his ego brought about this statement. That still doesn't justify it. That's what we're arguing here, whether what he said has any credibility or not; we're not arguing why he said it.

Also, what does scoring double hundreds on flat pattas have to do with anything? What good is that experience if you can't survive two balls in slightly challenging conditions? Block buster australian tour? You mean on flat tracks? Again I ask, what exactly does that prove? We're discussing bowlers here, and Wasim has 10x better knowledge about bowling and bowlers who are worthy of being complimented like Amir. So yes, in that regard, again, who or what is Rohit? When he comes into the league of Tendulkar and Lara and such then sure I'll give his statements on bowling some credibility. Until then he's a nobody, at least in this context.
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Rohit knows that the green pitch was an anomaly. Yes, Australian pitches are flat, Indian pitches are flat. In fact LOI cricket for the most part is played on flat pitches. You yourself called Rohit a bully or a master on those pitches when you casually called him a FTB. So yes, he thinks Amir just had a good day against India that too on a green pitch. He thinks he can dominate him. Why wouldn't he? Amir hasn't exactly set the world alight except for that one game. He was part of a game where NZ scored 170 without losing a wicket. He did OK in the ODIs but it didn't matter much as the team lost. Zero five wicket hauls so far. He struggled to pick wickets on flat wickets against mediocre batsmen ( compared to International batsmen) in PSL. He couldn't pluck out UAE batsmen, didn't make much of a difference against BD. All of these games are on flatter wickets and Rohit is one of the best batsmen on these wickets in LOIs now. So, that's the logic behind his rant.
 
Adding to my earlier post, we are all awed by Amir's performance against India. He made the ball talk and was unplayable. Dont forget that it was a green mamba though. When you can appreciate the prowess of a fast bowler on a green pitch, you should be able to appreciate the skill of an effortless batsman on flat tracks. The hundred against Starc and co. at Melbourne before the WC was a sight to watch. His innings against BD on a green pitch in the 1st game was fantastic. He is dominant on conditions that favor him and Amir's the same. I am strictly talking about LOIs here.
 
rhony said:
Rohit knows that the green pitch was an anomaly. Yes, Australian pitches are flat, Indian pitches are flat. In fact LOI cricket for the most part is played on flat pitches. You yourself called Rohit a bully or a master on those pitches when you casually called him a FTB. So yes, he thinks Amir just had a good day against India that too on a green pitch. He thinks he can dominate him. Why wouldn't he? Amir hasn't exactly set the world alight except for that one game. He was part of a game where NZ scored 170 without losing a wicket. He did OK in the ODIs but it didn't matter much as the team lost. Zero five wicket hauls so far. He struggled to pick wickets on flat wickets against mediocre batsmen ( compared to International batsmen) in PSL. He couldn't pluck out UAE batsmen, didn't make much of a difference against BD. All of these games are on flatter wickets and Rohit is one of the best batsmen on these wickets in LOIs now. So, that's the logic behind his rant.
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Perhaps you missed his stints in England as a 17-18 year old. He showed everyone his bowling potential then. All he needed to show now was that he still has some of that 'magic' left in his bowling, and he did.

Against NZ, 3 catches were dropped off of his bowling. It was also his first tour back and he performed pretty well all things considered. He struggled in the PSL? That's a surprise. Taking a hattrick doesn't sound like struggling to me. He took 2-6 against UAE in a T20-that's decent in my books. He brought us back into the game against BD with those two wickets before the Sami over.

And sure, Rohit is good on flat tracks, and may even dominate him. But we're discussing Amir's potential here. Not whether or not he'll do well on flat tracks. To call him a "normal" bowler then bring up Bumrah shows what he's really thinking. And it's certainly not that Rohit thinks "he can dominate him". It's just petulant behaviour on his part.
 
rhony said:
Adding to my earlier post, we are all awed by Amir's performance against India. He made the ball talk and was unplayable. Dont forget that it was a green mamba though. When you can appreciate the prowess of a fast bowler on a green pitch, you should be able to appreciate the skill of an effortless batsman on flat tracks. The hundred against Starc and co. at Melbourne before the WC was a sight to watch. His innings against BD on a green pitch in the 1st game was fantastic. He is dominant on conditions that favor him and Amir's the same. I am strictly talking about LOIs here.
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Already discussed on this thread that it's easier to score on challenging tracks than it is bowling on pattas. And sure, no disrespect, but all credit to Rohit for his knocks in Aus and also on some of the other venues he's played at. He's a skilled and certainly talented batsmen, but I was talking about his expertise to be worthy of calling the shots OVER the likes of Wasim on a Bowler of all cricketers.

PS: I'm not strictly suggesting that he's a FTB, but the knocks that you mentioned don't help prove his case, and had little to do with his credibility on judging a bowler as well as a proper bowler could. Anyway, he's slowly becoming a more complete batsmen in challenging conditions too as you mentioned in the first Asia cup game, and that's just a start for him.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Perhaps you missed his stints in England as a 17-18 year old. He showed everyone his bowling potential then. All he needed to show now was that he still has some of that 'magic' left in his bowling, and he did.

Against NZ, 3 catches were dropped off of his bowling. It was also his first tour back and he performed pretty well all things considered. He struggled in the PSL? That's a surprise. Taking a hattrick doesn't sound like struggling to me. He took 2-6 against UAE in a T20-that's decent in my books. He brought us back into the game against BD with those two wickets before the Sami over.

And sure, Rohit is good on flat tracks, and may even dominate him. But we're discussing Amir's potential here. Not whether or not he'll do well on flat tracks. To call him a "normal" bowler then bring up Bumrah shows what he's really thinking. And it's certainly not that Rohit thinks "he can dominate him". It's just petulant behaviour on his part.
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That performance against England was again on green tracks. Anyway, I personally feel that Rohit said what he said strictly considering the T20 WC. He said Amir's not going to run through line ups and that's accurate on flat wickets. As far as his behaviour goes, ID again point out to his ego. Him being a gun batsman and falling to Amir that way definitely hurt him and he just threw a salvo. Just harmless trash talk really and the fans should treat it as such.
 
rhony said:
That performance against England was again on green tracks. Anyway, I personally feel that Rohit said what he said strictly considering the T20 WC. He said Amir's not going to run through line ups and that's accurate on flat wickets. As far as his behaviour goes, ID again point out to his ego. Him being a gun batsman and falling to Amir that way definitely hurt him and he just threw a salvo. Just harmless trash talk really and the fans should treat it as such.
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getting out twice in 2 balls really hurt his ego apparently.

He took a huge risk, if he fails against Amir again after such statements, he will forever be labeled Amir's bunny.
 
rhony said:
Well..Kohli's been winning games for India for a few years now. Its not his first year. If you are happy with Amir taking 2 wickets against UAE, then fine. But, Isn't that what Rohit said? He said Amir won't run through batting lineups and I didn't see him do that yet. Maybe he does that in the future and then you won't hear such comments again.
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Rohit is ignorant and you seem to have a short memory. Amir has run through the batting lineups of Australia and England, in test matches. He ripped apart India's top four in a T20, did something similar against New Zealand, recently.

These sort of comments won't stop, no matter what trees Amir pulls out of the ground. There will always be lame excuses of him not doing it in 'x' country in a 'y' situation, sinply because some people cannot give credit where it is due.
 
Pete Rose said:
Won't, until the Pakistani batsmen are shamed in to performing. It's safe to say that Aamirs inclusion has had no impact on Pakistan's fortunes so far.
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Nope. He's been the one making some of these games very close. He has had a big impact since coming in, even on Pakpassion. No more whiny, wrist-slitting threads about the death of our fast bowling.
 
Strike Rate said:
Looks like Johnson not happy with Sharma ji statements. Here are johnson tweets

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ball swinging back in..... Not the first time it's happened! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/leftarmer?src=hash">#leftarmer</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/outplayed?src=hash">#outplayed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/sameold?src=hash">#sameold</a></p>— Mitchell Johnson (@MitchJohnson398) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchJohnson398/status/707438601169215490">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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LOL, this is epic! Can't wait for some funny memes on Sharma.
 
Bilal7 said:
Rohit is ignorant and you seem to have a short memory. Amir has run through the batting lineups of Australia and England, in test matches. He ripped apart India's top four in a T20, did something similar against New Zealand, recently.

These sort of comments won't stop, no matter what trees Amir pulls out of the ground. There will always be lame excuses of him not doing it in 'x' country in a 'y' situation, sinply because some people cannot give credit where it is due.
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Again. The discussion is about LOIs on flat wickets. Amir can rip through batting orders on green wickets in tests. I believe that even though it remains to be seen. Luckily, we don't have to wait for too long to find that out. AUS, NZ and English tours are not far away.
 
I posted about this the day.. i realised something yestarday.. this whole gaga about Amir by Rohit could be early attempt at mind games trying to get into Amirs head before the game.. Mess with Amirs head so Amir bowls with Anger rather than with his brain as he usually does .. (just a thought)
 
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Misia said:
I posted about this the day.. i realised something yestarday.. this whole gaga about Amir by Rohit could be early attempt at mind games trying to get into Amirs head before the game.. Mess with Amirs head so Amir bowls with Anger rather than with his brain as he usually does .. (just a thought)
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Hafeez tried to do something similar with Amir before BPL, and got owned big time as Amir became more focused. After what Amir has gone through in 5 years of his ban, do you think such a banter will have an iota of effect on him?
 
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Win or lose, I want Amir to embarrass Sharma again like he did in the Asia Cup.
 
Syed1 said:
Win or lose, I want Amir to embarrass Sharma again like he did in the Asia Cup.
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Why win or lose, when you are going for something, hope for Amir to embarrass Rohit and also win the game for Pak. Wouldn't be that even more sweeter?
 
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Again. The discussion is about LOIs on flat wickets. Amir can rip through batting orders on green wickets in tests. I believe that even though it remains to be seen. Luckily, we don't have to wait for too long to find that out. AUS, NZ and English tours are not far away.
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An 18 year old Amir already destroyed batting sides in test cricket. Please refresh your memory using YouTube.

How many 23 year old pacemen in the history of cricket have "ripped" through strong batting lineups on flat wickets, in T20 cricket?

This argument of yours makes zero sense. Rohit praised Bumrah after calling Amir a "regular, old bowler", please link me to the match where he ripped through a batting side on a flat pitch in LO cricket.

This is like me calling Kohli a regular batsman just because he has never scored a century against a top class bowling unit on a seaming pitch, which was also conducive to swing bowling.
 
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Sharma has got a big mouth on him but he also has the potential to give amir a phainty of a life time, let's hope sharma can walk the talk, if he gets in the zone then I really fear for amir :srini
 
Bilal7 said:
An 18 year old Amir already destroyed batting sides in test cricket. Please refresh your memory using YouTube.

How many 23 year old pacemen in the history of cricket have "ripped" through strong batting lineups on flat wickets, in T20 cricket?

This argument of yours makes zero sense. Rohit praised Bumrah after calling Amir a "regular, old bowler", please link me to the match where he ripped through a batting side on a flat pitch in LO cricket.

This is like me calling Kohli a regular batsman just because he has never scored a century against a top class bowling unit on a seaming pitch, which was also conducive to swing bowling.
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I don't think he ever said Bumrah is better than Amir. Nobody in their right mind will say that. He asked the indian journos to forget about Amir and focus on Bumrah.
Starc regularly gets 5 wicket hauls in ODIs , so there is already a precedent of someone ripping through lineups in LOIs.

As far as Kohli goes, a lot of people already say that. Unless he scores against ENg in tests in Eng, those comments will not stop.
 
rhony said:
I don't think he ever said Bumrah is better than Amir. Nobody in their right mind will say that. He asked the indian journos to forget about Amir and focus on Bumrah.
Starc regularly gets 5 wicket hauls in ODIs , so there is already a precedent of someone ripping through lineups in LOIs.

As far as Kohli goes, a lot of people already say that. Unless he scores against ENg in tests in Eng, those comments will not stop.
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He called Amir a regular bowler and Bumrah a special talent. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that he is implying that Bumrah is the better bowler. Whether he actually believes it or not is not the issue here.

So now the criteria has been changed to five wickets hauls? Instead of the more ambiguous, "ripping" through batting sides on flat pitches, eh? Well, if you ever decide to go back, Amir has a four-fer against Sri Lanka in Colombo. He also has a few three-fers despite having only played 17 ODIs, thus far.

No one calls Kohli a regular batsman. He's obviously a world-class player, regardless of those flaws.
 
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He called Amir a regular bowler and Bumrah a special talent. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that he is implying that Bumrah is the better bowler. Whether he actually believes it or not is not the issue here.

So now the criteria has been changed to five wickets hauls? Instead of the more ambiguous, "ripping" through batting sides on flat pitches, eh? Well, if you ever decide to go back, Amir has a four-fer against Sri Lanka in Colombo. He also has a few three-fers despite having only played 17 ODIs, thus far.

No one calls Kohli a regular batsman. He's obviously a world-class player, regardless of those flaws.
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Running through a batting typically means a 5 wkt haul. Amir can do it but he hasn't done it consistently yet. He played very few games so far so I know it's still early days. Kohli is great but questions will always remain until he performs in England. Even Indian fans know that.

If Rohit is really claiming that Bumrah is better than Amir then you should know it's absolutely trash talk.
 
More pressure on Sharma to do well against Aamir and Pakistan

The only Indo-Pak WC encounter I am really looking forward to after such a long time!
 
Today Rohit Sharma said "Santner is a normal bowler. We should not mention him too much. Bumrah is the upcoming star, only talk about Bumrah" :)
 
Too much focus on Amir

So far its all been about M.Amir.The hype has been over the top imo.
His done nothing special of yet in t20's to be worried about.

Yes his bowled good spell's and kept it tight but that's about it.

When was the last time we won a game on Amir's bowling alone?:akhtar:uakmal:maqsood:asif


Last time a Pakistani bowler who won us a T20 game single handily was Gul

Who was a genuine match in the t20 format.

Im pray Amir does wonder's tomorrow but fact is on a Kalkota pitch i think he will be ok at best.
 
Man don't know why media and ex-players 🇵🇰 Putting pressure on Amir so Much. If had a bad day tomorrow everyone will be gun blazing him. Which is not fair because he is making a comeback and wants to make it quitely so please let him. After India game we have 2 more game which i think is more important than tomorrow one because if we beat nzl or Australia we can qualify to semis because our net run rate is v good.
 
Cause he is a star. He makes things happen. He has that thing going which hard to describe. On these roads pacers wont do much anyways. How ever he still looks so dangerous.
 
True it feel we should beat both team's in all fairness.
Tomorrow's game is a hard one and i feel India have the edge simply because they have the better player's.

If our player's them selves start believing the Amir hype then where in big trouble,
Once Amir doesn't get a wicket and goes for run's the rest of the team's head's will drop.
This is where great back room staff come in to it,
Who should talk to all player's individually and tell them your good enough to win game's alone, Just believe in yourself and play to your potential and on to the situation and crowd's
 
Pressure mat dalo bechara paar. Pakistan just need to play good and the rest will be on destiny if pak are to beat india. I mean look at eng vs sa game, sa must have thought this game is our but they still lost. Win or Lose is part of the game but atleast play well Pakistan its a flat track and should look to bat first.
 
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