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"I have not applied for the Pakistan Head Coach Role" : Mike Hesson [Post#113]

Saj said:
PCB should get this guy in asap despite all the nonsense from some ex-players about getting in a Pakistani coach.
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There is no guarantee that PCB will appoint Andy/Moody/Hessons. Also after the stupid talking of Razzak, Tanvir, Miandad, Basit, S Nawaz, Sohail, Arafat, Latif... it will be hard to find a good foreign coach.
 
Aman said:
I'd like to see Hesson become Indian coach tbh, more stable environment and India have a good chance of winning a WC.

Pakistan I feel the media and fans will go after him hard as the team isn't consistent and a lot of politics.

Ideal world we get Fleming and Bond back as bowling coach.
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Always thought Fleming would make a great international coach. I think he's wasting his time at CSK when he could be making a far greater and long-standing contribution to New Zealand Cricket
 
Shafi said:
There is no guarantee that PCB will appoint Andy/Moody/Hessons. Also after the stupid talking of Razzak, Tanvir, Miandad, Basit, S Nawaz, Sohail, Arafat, Latif... it will be hard to find a good foreign coach.
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Sorry!!! Arafat actually deafended Micky
We do not want a situation as in the case of Mickey Arthur where he was given players he did not want, and he really was helpless to question that point of view.
 
Aman said:
I'd like to see Hesson become Indian coach tbh, more stable environment and India have a good chance of winning a WC.

Pakistan I feel the media and fans will go after him hard as the team isn't consistent and a lot of politics.

Ideal world we get Fleming and Bond back as bowling coach.
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Hesson as Indian coach wouldn't have worked even if he got the job. Everyone knows Kohli basically runs the show and needs a yes man like Shastri who doesn't interfere much in his decision-making. We all saw what happened to Kumble. An independent guy like Hesson with his own new ideas probably would have struggled in that environment.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Hesson as Indian coach wouldn't have worked even if he got the job. Everyone knows Kohli basically runs the show and needs a yes man like Shastri who doesn't interfere much in his decision-making. We all saw what happened to Kumble. An independent guy like Hesson with his own new ideas probably would have struggled in that environment.
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Does Kohli run the show? Dhoni makes all his decisions in the ODI set up and has Virat "run the show" Kohli fielding at the boundary.

In tests, Kohli very much seems like the child compared to Shastri, he looked very in control of situations and selections (Dhoni still has a part to play in this, I am sure, as his sports agency represents most players who make it into the BCCI set up). Kohli is very much, as i keep calling him, little boy lost.

I am sure Hesson would have been able to handle him.
 
barah_admi said:
Does Kohli run the show? Dhoni makes all his decisions in the ODI set up and has Virat "run the show" Kohli fielding at the boundary.

In tests, Kohli very much seems like the child compared to Shastri, he looked very in control of situations and selections (Dhoni still has a part to play in this, I am sure, as his sports agency represents most players who make it into the BCCI set up). Kohli is very much, as i keep calling him, little boy lost.

I am sure Hesson would have been able to handle him.
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Everybody knows Kohli calls the shots that also why Indian fans have nicknamed him Koach. Just because he banks on Dhoni's experience from time to time or takes advice from him doesn't mean he's lost. If he was that lost India wouldn't be the No.1 test team and the No.2 ODI team. He may take advice from Dhoni, Rohit and even Shastri but the final decision-making rests with him. He is very much calling the shots like Imran was when he was captain
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Everybody knows Kohli calls the shots that also why Indian fans have nicknamed him Koach. Just because he banks on Dhoni's experience from time to time or takes advice from him doesn't mean he's lost. If he was that lost India wouldn't be the No.1 test team and the No.2 ODI team. He may take advice from Dhoni, Rohit and even Shastri but the final decision-making rests with him. He is very much calling the shots like Imran was when he was captain
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Indian fans can call their players whatever they like. Many of them worship Dhoni like a God, do you also think Dhoni is divine?

I am just putting forward the reality of what I haven seen through tens of ODIs played while Dhoni makes all the decisions, sets the fields, carries out the bowling changes and the bowlers themselves go to him for discussion, not to Kohli. It has happened in every game and at times, Kohli doesn't even seem like he exists.

As I said, tests may be a slightly different situation but Kohli is no "Koach".
 
Well I've asked Mike, but no reply as yet.

He's keeping his cards close to his chest :)
 
is he being linked to anyother coaching assignment? if not maybe that might make it easier for him to make a decision
 
Shafi said:
Don't think any of Moody, Andy or Hesson applied for the job.
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If they are interested in their career as an international coach they obviously would have applied and if they arent then thats another matter. There are very few test playing nations so its not like coaches are spoilt for choices. SA, Eng and Pak are the only vacancies is at the moment and if the names you have mentioned are interested in international coaching they should be applying to all 3 in my opinion.
 
barah_admi said:
Indian fans can call their players whatever they like. Many of them worship Dhoni like a God, do you also think Dhoni is divine?

I am just putting forward the reality of what I haven seen through tens of ODIs played while Dhoni makes all the decisions, sets the fields, carries out the bowling changes and the bowlers themselves go to him for discussion, not to Kohli. It has happened in every game and at times, Kohli doesn't even seem like he exists.

As I said, tests may be a slightly different situation but Kohli is no "Koach".
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Are you sure you are not watching a match from 2011?

Dhoni sets the fields sometimes, usually with spinners. His advice aswell most of all extends to spinners. There have even been moments when Dhoni has taken decisions on his own like reviews or field-placements but to say Kohli isn't in charge is ludicrous. Anyone who knows Kohli's personality or can see his body-language on-field knows he runs the show, as much as he may respect Dhoni's wisdom.

And Kohli has been captain for nearly 5 years now. Although he not a great captain and similar to Ponting in many ways he has come a long way and is a competent captain nonetheless. If you can't recognize something so fundamental then I don't know what we are even arguing about.

Kohli is definitely Koach. If he wasn't then Anil Kumble would have still been coach or Mike Hesson would have been the new coach. What exactly are Shastri's coaching skills/credentials other then being a compliant background figure? And this nickname was not given to him by the masses but rather by cricket enthusiasts on Reddit
 
Mike Hesson turns down Pakistan, Bangladesh coaching jobs

Former Black Caps coach Mike Hesson has turned down two chances to return to the international coaching ranks after missing out on the India job.

Both Pakistan and Bangladesh's cricket boards chased Hesson for their vacant head coach roles, Stuff understands, but he declined and didn't officially apply to enter either race.

South African Russell Domingo was announced last week as Bangladesh's new coach, succeeding Englishman Steve Rhodes, while former captain Misbah-ul-Haq is the favourite to take over from Mickey Arthur in charge of Pakistan.

Hesson was named as a frontrunner for several international positions after he and Indian Premier League side Kings XI Punjab parted ways after one season at the helm. They finished sixth on net run rate this year after six wins and eight losses.

He made the final three for the India coaching job but incumbent Ravi Shastri got the nod. India's Cricket Advisory Committee of Kapil Dev, former coach Anshuman Gaekwad and former women's captain Shantha Rangaswamy listed their order of preference as Shastri, Hesson and Australian Tom Moody.

Hesson couldn't be reached for comment but, according to a source, he didn't contest the Pakistan and Bangladesh jobs because he wasn't keen to return to the punishing year-round schedule of international coaching and give up his television commitments with Star Sports.

He made an exception for India, the only international role he applied for, given its status as the biggest coaching job in world cricket.

After a successful six years at the helm of the Black Caps, making him New Zealand's longest serving coach, Hesson ended his stint last year, citing family reasons.

Hesson now appears likely to return to the IPL in an advisory or assistant coaching role, but for which team is unknown.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...-turns-down-pakistan-bangladesh-coaching-jobs
 
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Titan24 said:
If they are interested in their career as an international coach they obviously would have applied and if they arent then thats another matter. There are very few test playing nations so its not like coaches are spoilt for choices. SA, Eng and Pak are the only vacancies is at the moment and if the names you have mentioned are interested in international coaching they should be applying to all 3 in my opinion.
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Hesson already turned down the offer. Not sure PCB was really serious to get him
 
doesnt look good, seriously dont want misbah as the head coach or selector.

hopefully dean jones gets picked.

need to separate religion from sports, and choosing misbah is going in the opposite direction.
 
So as I said few days ago Hessen would only have declined offers if he wanted to give his family more time or he didnt want to coach an international side at the moment. Turns he didnt want to keep in traveling with tough international schedule with only exception he wanted to make was for Indian cricket team.
 
Sir-fraz said:
doesnt look good, seriously dont want misbah as the head coach or selector.

hopefully dean jones gets picked.

need to separate religion from sports, and choosing misbah is going in the opposite direction.
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What has Misbah’s (who havent even applied yet) consideration anything to do with religion?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just to clarify as plenty of speculation about ........ I have not applied for the Pakistan Head Coach Role with <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a>. Whoever gets the role certainly has plenty of talent to work with and would be an exciting proposition for whoever gets the job!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#pakistan</a></p>— Mike Hesson (@CoachHesson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachHesson/status/1164132980480102400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Never really thought he would have even applied for the job as the Pakistan job is just not lucrative enough as supposed to India's which he applied for and didn't get.

For now it could be between Dean Jones and Misbah then.
 
Titan24 said:
What has Misbah’s (who havent even applied yet) consideration anything to do with religion?
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Hmm, lets walk down memory lane and think about what happened when inzi went mullah and took over the team.

Misbah will be bringing the same mindset.
 
Mike henson has now come out that he didnt even apply.

A lot of fake news coming out regarding the head coach position.

Misbah has now said the same thing.
 
This is Pakistani media and Pakistani fans then spreading out such news about who can be the next coach just on the basis of a certain coach being available or has resigned from his previous role.
 
Am reading that the main reason the PCB is struggling to attract top quality candidates is because of the low wages and benefits on offer
 
This doomed search is making Mickey's sacking all the more crazy. Should have retained him until next year's T20 WC then reassess.

Looks like we sacked him simply because other boards sacked their coaches after WC.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just to clarify as plenty of speculation about ........ I have not applied for the Pakistan Head Coach Role with <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a>. Whoever gets the role certainly has plenty of talent to work with and would be an exciting proposition for whoever gets the job!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#pakistan</a></p>— Mike Hesson (@CoachHesson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachHesson/status/1164132980480102400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Savak said:
Am reading that the main reason the PCB is struggling to attract top quality candidates is because of the low wages and benefits on offer
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It is not gully mohala cricket. You got pay more for perimum services or stick with mediocrity.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just to clarify as plenty of speculation about ........ I have not applied for the Pakistan Head Coach Role with <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a>. Whoever gets the role certainly has plenty of talent to work with and would be an exciting proposition for whoever gets the job!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#pakistan</a></p>— Mike Hesson (@CoachHesson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachHesson/status/1164132980480102400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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LOL this is depressing.
 
Sir-fraz said:
Hmm, lets walk down memory lane and think about what happened when inzi went mullah and took over the team.

Misbah will be bringing the same mindset.
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You are stereotyping, Misbah and Inzi are completely different personalities. No point in assuming things just because Misbah supports a beard.
 
Titan24 said:
You are stereotyping, Misbah and Inzi are completely different personalities. No point in assuming things just because Misbah supports a beard.
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to certain extent yes i am, just by looking at our past players who decided to support the beard.

saeed anwar, inzi, and yousuf.

and now misbah. the above 3 went back to 1500s with their mindset.

we can give misbah a couple years and see how he turns out. but after his WC analysis doesn't look too well
 
Titan24 said:
You are stereotyping, Misbah and Inzi are completely different personalities. No point in assuming things just because Misbah supports a beard.
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Well said, it’s not the same but team has somewhat finally become dynamic, and to again go back i to Misbah mode might be great for test cricket but LOI not so sure..
 
This guy Hessen is a bit over-hyped here in PP. He applied for BCCI job, because that pays highest - other than that, he is more interested to do mercenary jobs, which doesn't give a good impression of his motive. He managed to coach Kiwi side for over half a decade quite successfully, but lots of credit should go to BMac for that and also, being Kiwi coach, pressure of expectation was manageable for him, which kept him at Kiwi job for that long. I don't think he will be missed that much by PCT, if PCB appoints another capable man-manager, supported by qualified technical coaches.


In cricket, the role of Coach is always a bit over stated because it's still the Captain that runs the show. Other team games, 11 (or total playing squad) acts together on a on-field strategy and tactics, in a much faster and shorter game, hence for best coordinated out-put the Manager/Coach is the key figure. In cricket, it's a long game at much slower pace and Captain gets enough time to think on field. Also, cricket is a unique team game where it's the individual skills that comes first. A HC in cricket is probably a bigger man-manager than a tactician. More that HC, it's important to hire technically qualified specialist coaches.

Any way, one thing that exposes in whole event is the ineptness of PCB regarding their coaching appointments. They sacked Arthur (quite capable guy) in a haste without any succession plan and now stuck with a messed-up situation - even pouring money won't solve their problem here. Should have thought of Plan B even before WC - what'll happen if Arthur declines to renew contract after WC?
 
The fascination of some people with a Foreigner's name here is amazing. Very sad and sometimes sickening.

He didn't deserve to coach Pak, it's a really tough job. Glad he's out.

Should stay as a mercenary coach of T20 leagues.
 
MMHS said:
This guy Hessen is a bit over-hyped here in PP. He applied for BCCI job, because that pays highest - other than that, he is more interested to do mercenary jobs, which doesn't give a good impression of his motive.
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Well said!

He wasn't a good fit for Pak team anyway.
 
I wonder if he has been lined up by ECB as their next Head Coach.

Better money, better job security etc than the PCB role.
 
Hesson, Moody and Flower wont apply for Pak coaching roles...
the prospects, players and the country not attractive enough...
Harsh but reality!
 
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PCB was deluded if they thought they would get a better coach than Arthur. Working with the PCB just ain't interesting enough.

Deano is probably the only reknown foreign name. Wasim Khan could save PCB's face by hiring some decent county coach using his network.
 
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Always thought he would not be interested in coaching us. The scheduling these days is too much for coaches and players , we are a average team as well and having issues with politics in the team.

Henson will probably be coaching in T20 leagues around the world.
 
'Hesson hadn't played enough cricket' - BCCI official

Moments after Ravi Shastri was re-appointed as the head coach of the Indian team till 2021, Cricket Advisory Committee (CAC) chief Kapil Dev had said ‘as all of you were expecting’ Shastri is the number one candidate for the job. But it has now come to the fore that Kiwi Mike Hesson had almost toppled Shastri.

Speaking to IANS, a senior Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) functionary said that it was a close call between Shastri and Hesson and New Zealand’s track record under the Kiwi from 2012 till 2018 had almost sealed the deal for the former Kings XI Punjab coach.

“It was not a walk in the park for Shastri as some of you seem to believe. Hesson was really close to getting the go-ahead. It is there for all to see how the New Zealand team improved by leaps and bounds under him across all formats.

“From being the perennial surprise package in big-ticket events, they had become a champion side under him and that is something that really impressed the CAC.

“Under his coaching, the Kiwis reached their first-ever World Cup final in 2015. While he did resign in 2018, the Kiwis playing their second final on the trot in 2019 also had a lot to do with what Hesson brought to the table. His strategizing with the senior members in the team can’t be discounted,” the functionary explained.

Asked what then turned the table back in Shastri’s favour, considering that the CAC made it clear that skipper Virat Kohli wasn’t consulted before taking the call, the functionary said it was Shastri’s experience as a player on the international stage.

“The CAC felt that Shastri’s proven record as a player was one area that needed to be give due recognition as one’s own stature might become an area of concern when handling a team which has big names.

“Hesson hadn’t played enough cricket himself and as we know started coaching in his early twenties. Shastri on the other hand played 80 Test matches and 150 ODIs. That is something that went against the Kiwi,” the functionary said.

However the functionary refused to divulge if the experience of having MSK Prasad as the chief selector and his inability to stand tall and take decisions was used as point of reference by the CAC when making the call. “That only then can tell you,” the functionary said.

Interestingly, the national selectors led by Prasad are expected to announce the names of the support staff on Thursday. The CAC had expressed its desire to be a part of this as well, but the BCCI constitution doesn’t allow it.

While Bharat Arun is expected to retain his position as bowling coach, Sanjay Bangar’s position is under the scanner as batting coach. Vikram Rathour is considered favourite to take the position, but he will face stiff competition from Praveen Amre. In the fielding department, R. Sridhar is almost certain to be retained unless the selectors look to rope in someone like Jonty Rhodes.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/hesson-hadnt-played-enough-cricket-bcci-official-882731
 
So who has applied for all roles so far (e.g head coach, batting, bowling etc.)?
 
Sir-fraz said:
Moments after Ravi Shastri was re-appointed as the head coach of the Indian team till 2021, Cricket Advisory Committee (CAC) chief Kapil Dev had said ‘as all of you were expecting’ Shastri is the number one candidate for the job. But it has now come to the fore that Kiwi Mike Hesson had almost toppled Shastri.

Speaking to IANS, a senior Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) functionary said that it was a close call between Shastri and Hesson and New Zealand’s track record under the Kiwi from 2012 till 2018 had almost sealed the deal for the former Kings XI Punjab coach.

“It was not a walk in the park for Shastri as some of you seem to believe. Hesson was really close to getting the go-ahead. It is there for all to see how the New Zealand team improved by leaps and bounds under him across all formats.

“From being the perennial surprise package in big-ticket events, they had become a champion side under him and that is something that really impressed the CAC.

“Under his coaching, the Kiwis reached their first-ever World Cup final in 2015. While he did resign in 2018, the Kiwis playing their second final on the trot in 2019 also had a lot to do with what Hesson brought to the table. His strategizing with the senior members in the team can’t be discounted,” the functionary explained.

Asked what then turned the table back in Shastri’s favour, considering that the CAC made it clear that skipper Virat Kohli wasn’t consulted before taking the call, the functionary said it was Shastri’s experience as a player on the international stage.

“The CAC felt that Shastri’s proven record as a player was one area that needed to be give due recognition as one’s own stature might become an area of concern when handling a team which has big names.

“Hesson hadn’t played enough cricket himself and as we know started coaching in his early twenties. Shastri on the other hand played 80 Test matches and 150 ODIs. That is something that went against the Kiwi,” the functionary said.

However the functionary refused to divulge if the experience of having MSK Prasad as the chief selector and his inability to stand tall and take decisions was used as point of reference by the CAC when making the call. “That only then can tell you,” the functionary said.

Interestingly, the national selectors led by Prasad are expected to announce the names of the support staff on Thursday. The CAC had expressed its desire to be a part of this as well, but the BCCI constitution doesn’t allow it.

While Bharat Arun is expected to retain his position as bowling coach, Sanjay Bangar’s position is under the scanner as batting coach. Vikram Rathour is considered favourite to take the position, but he will face stiff competition from Praveen Amre. In the fielding department, R. Sridhar is almost certain to be retained unless the selectors look to rope in someone like Jonty Rhodes.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/hesson-hadnt-played-enough-cricket-bcci-official-882731
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The COA is turning indian cricket into a circus, the quicker these idiots are out the better it will be for indian cricket.
 
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