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"I suspect pressure from India is hindering Bangladesh's tour" : Pakistan FM Shah Mehmood Qureshi

Why would we try to boss around boards that are bigger than us?

If you are working for a company, are you more likely to argue with your boss or with a employee that is as (if not less) powerful than you?

So why are you expecting us to do something different?

Pakistan team is stronger on the field. No doubt about that.

But if we are talking strictly about cricket boards and yes it's about the decision makers, then BCB are neck-neck or even superior to Pakistan in that regard. PCB have lost out money for valid reasons beyond their control. BCB generates more profit and does not have beef with other cricket boards like PCB does (BCCI and ACB).

Personally I want a short tour this January and after our players are more comfortable send our team for a full tour.
 
Pakistan team is stronger on the field. No doubt about that.

But if we are talking strictly about cricket boards and yes it's about the decision makers, then BCB are neck-neck or even superior to Pakistan in that regard. PCB have lost out money for valid reasons beyond their control. BCB generates more profit and does not have beef with other cricket boards like PCB does (BCCI and ACB).

Personally I want a short tour this January and after our players are more comfortable send our team for a full tour.

PCB has no beef with BCCI, it’s the GOI that does not allow the two teams to play besides world events. That’s the Indian narrative at least. ACB lol, are they even relevant? Where is their head office?
 
Its the fault of PCB , why they hell bent to invite BD team every year, even a layman can tell that BD team wont come to pakistan... we need to cut all ties, including inviting BD women team and U-16 etc.. stop issuing NOCs for BPL ... forget the BD tour for God sake.. invite some other team .. ask ICC to intervene to settle the FTP of BD and award points and be done with it ... too much importance and efforts are giving on this useless tour ... i am sure if we try to invite SA and WI , they will come ...
 
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Not sure how not issuing NOC’s is going to solve anything. If anything, it will further damage Pakistan as kids will retire early to make easy cash from these leagues.
 
Pakistan even gave them players like Afridi for BPL and still they do this to us :D
 
Pakistan team is stronger on the field. No doubt about that.

But if we are talking strictly about cricket boards and yes it's about the decision makers, then BCB are neck-neck or even superior to Pakistan in that regard. PCB have lost out money for valid reasons beyond their control. BCB generates more profit and does not have beef with other cricket boards like PCB does (BCCI and ACB).

Personally I want a short tour this January and after our players are more comfortable send our team for a full tour.

How? By playing with Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Ireland, WI, occasionally with NZ.
How often team like England, S Africa, Australia or even India call them to play
 
You act like PCB has committed an act of huge disrespect to BCB by simply asking the reason for not touring.

This is not about Bangladesh. Pakistan is safe for cricket. Period. Similar questions will be asked of other boards if they refuse to tour.

Yes. How dare PCB ask the BCB about their plans for the series and say that the Tests should be played in Pakistan. I mean come on, the cheek of the PCB to look after the best interests of Pakistan cricket.
 
By acting like this BCB will loose more friends. BCCI is a user, once they finish with BCB they will throw them like tissue paper. Teams like S Africa, Australia, England, NZ will never be close to BCB. SL will not be close to BCB either and so will be PCB.
 
By acting like this BCB will loose more friends. BCCI is a user, once they finish with BCB they will throw them like tissue paper. Teams like S Africa, Australia, England, NZ will never be close to BCB. SL will not be close to BCB either and so will be PCB.

Don't get this? Could you tell us one situation why BCCI would terminate its brotherly/cordial relationship with BCB? Or even why SENA boards won't have close relations with BCB? Are you implying some sort of demented racism at work here?
 
Why wouldn't they come for PSL if picked. You should be grateful they chose to make PSL worth its while with their presnence.
They were not good enough to be picked, simple. Now these same players are complaining about the 'suffocating environment' :)))
 
They were not good enough to be picked, simple. Now these same players are complaining about the 'suffocating environment' :)))

That's what Lalit said when nobody bid for Pak players in IPL. I was ROFL just like you :)
 
How? By playing with Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Ireland, WI, occasionally with NZ.
How often team like England, S Africa, Australia or even India call them to play

It's about financial stability and BCB is doing fine.

SLC WICB and ZC for example have such issues
 
That's what Lalit said when nobody bid for Pak players in IPL. I was ROFL just like you :)

Pakistan were the runners up in the 2007 T20 WC and the winners of the 2009 T20 WC.

How can you even compare Pakistan with Bangladesh? :)))
 
BCCI should stay clear of all this and let things take its natural course. Regarding the tour , not sure why there is so much confusion. Invite Bangladesh for a t20 series and ask them to assess the security. A successful T20 series should give PCB a lot of leverage to host test matches in Pakistan. If Bangladesh are still not satisfied with the arrangements , play at neutral venue and split the cost. All the talk about PCB exerting equal pressure on non minnow teams is hypothetical and they can cross the bridge when they get there. IMO, Bangladesh is the perfect team to continue the journey of getting tests reintroduced at home. PCB should focus on getting job done and avoid displaying one upmanship with Bangladesh.

Pakistan foreign minister and ex cricketers are motor mouths and just make matters worse. Lack of sophistication and diplomacy.
 
By acting like this BCB will loose more friends. BCCI is a user, once they finish with BCB they will throw them like tissue paper. Teams like S Africa, Australia, England, NZ will never be close to BCB. SL will not be close to BCB either and so will be PCB.


I am avoiding these threads because I understand the mental state of PAK fans - apart from few trolls here, people are quite reasonable and on top of that salt is being rubbed by our common neighbors at the right place :) ... But, I'll try to respond you, because I believe you are posting here with the right spirit and cause.

There are few issues now that you guys need to understand - first, BCCI/GOI's influence on BCB regarding this tour. I feel, some of the PAK fans here trying to dish out frustration by insulting BCB, BD cricket/Govt. which is foolish - it's simply make them fool in due course of time. Obviously, IND being the largest revenue generator in cricket has a significant influence over the global cricket, but if they were adamant, before BCB, they could have blocked SRL, ZIM & WIN to travel PAK - apart from Shakib, I don't think any BD player will play IPL in this or next year (& he is banned for a year, and BCB will not allow Mustafiz NOC), but several WIN & SRL players will do ...... and, I am not even bothering to explain what BCCI can achieve from SLCB, WICB, ZCB by offering one 3 weeks tour by their B team every alternate years.... try to understand the context and link dots. Right now, GOI is facing enough troubles within to bother about who is travelling to PAK and not!!!

I am tired of hearing how BCCI is dominating BCB, how they are using BCB to isolate Pakistan…. Which will only bring embarrassments to PAK posters here, and PAK as a country as well. Just about few days back, I had read enough here from usual trolls how BCCI will block PAK players from the planned T20 games in BD, how BCB is being ordered to keep PAK players out ….. eventually, it didn’t aged well I believe. Remember, it was BCB that actually blocked ICC’s revenue sharing model proposed by BCCI – they had enough bar one vote to get it passed …. And you guys should be ashamed that your board was one of those, who sold their vote for an exchange and got snubbed (then got robbed in court case).

Next is the revenue part. I don't think you understand how boards make money out of cricket. First, the touring board doesn't make much unless it's some sort of revenue sharing model - only big chunk they (touring side) make is from guarantee money, which is a sort of royalty; even then, the travelling team often bears for own travel arrangements. Other than that, most money comes from home series - from broadcasting rights, endorsements, sponsorship, co-branding, online/social media and a bit of gate money as well. And, on top of that, there is a assured fat pay cheque from ICC's revenue sharing & from PL/SL, once a year (may be a little from domestic games as well, which is the case for BCB, but not sure about PCB).

This is where, PCB is absolutely shot at belly and BCB will dominate them, because BCB's strength isn't their cricket only (neither PCB's, but I'll explain that later...), rather the team - BD people love their cricket, their team & players. Regardless of who is playing against & how, BD cricket team will be crowd pullers, which brings sponsors and money. I read that BCB is dependent on Indian media for their money - this is because PAK posters here are habituated with PCB's annual exercise of begging to BCCI for a tour, but that's actually not the case for BCB. Yes, there are Indian business houses sponsoring cricket in BD, but that's not a charity, rather a promotion for their product/services in a crowd pulling event for mass market - BD Cricket. Here, the driving factor is the mass market interest, growing economy and willingness for sponsors to invest in BD cricket.

PAK's economy is suffering, but still there should be enough money to promote cricket in PAK, which is not happening - this is PCB's biggest weakness, hence they are almost with a beggar's bowl for Indian tour, as broadcasting money from IND series is their last resort. I give another example - BPL's expenses were going out of balance sheet because of the illegal money injection in the circus; and payment for few players were going at risky level (AdV/Stokes could have gone for $1mn this year !!!!!!). So, BCB changed the model, took ownership of all 7 franchises and sold only the brand rights to sponsors .... yet they have increased revenue and reduced expenses significantly!!! Try this in PAK - PCB & PSL will go bankrupt in no time.

I read another foolish comment here regarding whom are we going to play Test cricket (This rant is related to IRL's recent incapability to host a Test, which is frankly speaking, their problem, not BCB's). Just about 8 months back, we toured NZ for three Tests series, and two in IND last month .... and next year we are due to travel NZ again!!!! Trust me, we'll keep touring to every countries outside big 3, not only for cricket rather for something that most trolls failed to notice here - last two NZ, WIN & SRL AWAY series were title sponsored by BD brands, last SAF tour was partially sponsored by BD brands and last two IRL tournaments were completely sponsored by BD brands including the hosts!!! And, PCB is struggling to find reputed kit sponsors for their national team (AJ sports, I believe ....) .......

Now, coming to the salty part – friendship, whom are you fooling? PCB is the worst board when it comes to trust – try this from BCCI to ECB to BCB; everyone has been treated badly by PCB in one way or either – even Lankans were bullied for their good gesture of playing 3 T20s in PAK!!!!!! When PAK had CBFC (Sharjah cricket backed by Bukhatiar), they cancelled at least two trips to India, and an Asia cup. I have written many times here that everyone (may be excluding ECB) are bullied by BCCI, more so is PCB & BCB because our cricket season cuts path with theirs (which has forced our season to be shifted to monsoon) – in that regard, PCB & BCB should be the closest boards. What in return we have got from PCB is betrayal, bullying and a massive ego of entitlement; which unfortunately is touching the fan base as well. As I said in past – show me one more example where hosting board shared revenue with touring side, considering that the series was supposed to be held other way ….. BCB did that for 2015 series (paid ~$450K as revenue sharing IIRC) and you guys try to sell that as your entitlement for the cricket talent of PAK … have some shame man. Bro, after 70 years of cricket in a world of 10-12 teams in total, the way you guys are sounding bullish after one win against SRL speaks volume itself – trust me, I would have left PP long back had Bangladesh gone through this nose dive after 7 decades – almost every index showing that PAK fan base should keep low profile for their cricket talent …. Last one was ICC’s team of decade – this is first time that no PAK player feature that honor board.

I understand exactly what is going here in PCB’s mind. They are trying their best to bring cricket in PAK, and I must support/appreciate that, they should keep trying for that till it happens. For that, what they are trying with soft targets – nothing wrong in that either, I would have done so also. PAK doesn’t have any tours with ENG, AUS, NZ in next 1-2 years, therefore it’s the best time to bring SRL, BD, WIN …. may be SAF for tours in PAK, add to that hosting PSL in PAK, should add enough credibility by 2020/21 to approach ECB/CA/NZL and it might work actually – I would have done exactly that. BUT, don’t you think that BCB people or Papon do also understand this plot? Why should they make it easy for such arrogant and entitled board/country, who doesn’t have the basic decency of diplomacy? Why should BCB oblige to help PCB/PAK cricket, when they have been snubbed by them uncalled for? I tell you what went wrong here – that fluke CT win in 2017 got better of PCB and they suddenly thought themselves bigger than the size of their shoes, so for absolutely no reason and no issues, they cancelled BD tour unilaterally (without any discussion or deferment for suture) – do you think it’ll go unnoticed at BCB, or should it go unnoticed?

The only, and I repeat only way forward here was to close the deal silently and try to bargain as much ground as possible – even a 3 days trip by BD team for couple of T20s could have been a forward move in that direction. But, your ego, your entitlement and your false bravado as self-proclaimed elites of the game is hurting you here. Do you think this daily statements by PAK former & current players, team management, even diplomats is bringing any help to the cause? Now, what PCB has done is over-estimated their might and as a fall back plan trying to restore some pride. Negative side is, if the tour is indeed cancelled – PCB will be biggest laughing stalk and next time even ZIM will ask for neutral venue!!!!! This is exactly what Zaka Ashraf did in 2012 or around and I had read exactly similar posts that time also – it didn’t bring much success I guess. Neither PCB's "bullish" efforts to block PAK players for BPL - twice.
As I wrote somewhere – Abahani KC is Hasina’s family club (established by her late brother Kamal) …. And the poster boy for their cricket team in 1990s was a certain Wasim Akram…….. You current tal*nt isn’t exciting enough even to bother big boys, let alone treat at per….....

Including you, I’ll suggest PAK posters here to keep a low profile and observe the proceedings – you can just make it worse for you in future. Indians here will simply drag you out of your holes to rub acid in your wounds when eventually PCB gives you another hiding and I have to say – I won’t mind that. It’s not fun to open a new account as a fall back plan any try to settle some scores – don’t force yourself in that path.
 
I am avoiding these threads because I understand the mental state of PAK fans - apart from few trolls here, people are quite reasonable and on top of that salt is being rubbed by our common neighbors at the right place :) ... But, I'll try to respond you, because I believe you are posting here with the right spirit and cause.

There are few issues now that you guys need to understand - first, BCCI/GOI's influence on BCB regarding this tour. I feel, some of the PAK fans here trying to dish out frustration by insulting BCB, BD cricket/Govt. which is foolish - it's simply make them fool in due course of time. Obviously, IND being the largest revenue generator in cricket has a significant influence over the global cricket, but if they were adamant, before BCB, they could have blocked SRL, ZIM & WIN to travel PAK - apart from Shakib, I don't think any BD player will play IPL in this or next year (& he is banned for a year, and BCB will not allow Mustafiz NOC), but several WIN & SRL players will do ...... and, I am not even bothering to explain what BCCI can achieve from SLCB, WICB, ZCB by offering one 3 weeks tour by their B team every alternate years.... try to understand the context and link dots. Right now, GOI is facing enough troubles within to bother about who is travelling to PAK and not!!!

I am tired of hearing how BCCI is dominating BCB, how they are using BCB to isolate Pakistan…. Which will only bring embarrassments to PAK posters here, and PAK as a country as well. Just about few days back, I had read enough here from usual trolls how BCCI will block PAK players from the planned T20 games in BD, how BCB is being ordered to keep PAK players out ….. eventually, it didn’t aged well I believe. Remember, it was BCB that actually blocked ICC’s revenue sharing model proposed by BCCI – they had enough bar one vote to get it passed …. And you guys should be ashamed that your board was one of those, who sold their vote for an exchange and got snubbed (then got robbed in court case).

Next is the revenue part. I don't think you understand how boards make money out of cricket. First, the touring board doesn't make much unless it's some sort of revenue sharing model - only big chunk they (touring side) make is from guarantee money, which is a sort of royalty; even then, the travelling team often bears for own travel arrangements. Other than that, most money comes from home series - from broadcasting rights, endorsements, sponsorship, co-branding, online/social media and a bit of gate money as well. And, on top of that, there is a assured fat pay cheque from ICC's revenue sharing & from PL/SL, once a year (may be a little from domestic games as well, which is the case for BCB, but not sure about PCB).

This is where, PCB is absolutely shot at belly and BCB will dominate them, because BCB's strength isn't their cricket only (neither PCB's, but I'll explain that later...), rather the team - BD people love their cricket, their team & players. Regardless of who is playing against & how, BD cricket team will be crowd pullers, which brings sponsors and money. I read that BCB is dependent on Indian media for their money - this is because PAK posters here are habituated with PCB's annual exercise of begging to BCCI for a tour, but that's actually not the case for BCB. Yes, there are Indian business houses sponsoring cricket in BD, but that's not a charity, rather a promotion for their product/services in a crowd pulling event for mass market - BD Cricket. Here, the driving factor is the mass market interest, growing economy and willingness for sponsors to invest in BD cricket.

PAK's economy is suffering, but still there should be enough money to promote cricket in PAK, which is not happening - this is PCB's biggest weakness, hence they are almost with a beggar's bowl for Indian tour, as broadcasting money from IND series is their last resort. I give another example - BPL's expenses were going out of balance sheet because of the illegal money injection in the circus; and payment for few players were going at risky level (AdV/Stokes could have gone for $1mn this year !!!!!!). So, BCB changed the model, took ownership of all 7 franchises and sold only the brand rights to sponsors .... yet they have increased revenue and reduced expenses significantly!!! Try this in PAK - PCB & PSL will go bankrupt in no time.

I read another foolish comment here regarding whom are we going to play Test cricket (This rant is related to IRL's recent incapability to host a Test, which is frankly speaking, their problem, not BCB's). Just about 8 months back, we toured NZ for three Tests series, and two in IND last month .... and next year we are due to travel NZ again!!!! Trust me, we'll keep touring to every countries outside big 3, not only for cricket rather for something that most trolls failed to notice here - last two NZ, WIN & SRL AWAY series were title sponsored by BD brands, last SAF tour was partially sponsored by BD brands and last two IRL tournaments were completely sponsored by BD brands including the hosts!!! And, PCB is struggling to find reputed kit sponsors for their national team (AJ sports, I believe ....) .......

Now, coming to the salty part – friendship, whom are you fooling? PCB is the worst board when it comes to trust – try this from BCCI to ECB to BCB; everyone has been treated badly by PCB in one way or either – even Lankans were bullied for their good gesture of playing 3 T20s in PAK!!!!!! When PAK had CBFC (Sharjah cricket backed by Bukhatiar), they cancelled at least two trips to India, and an Asia cup. I have written many times here that everyone (may be excluding ECB) are bullied by BCCI, more so is PCB & BCB because our cricket season cuts path with theirs (which has forced our season to be shifted to monsoon) – in that regard, PCB & BCB should be the closest boards. What in return we have got from PCB is betrayal, bullying and a massive ego of entitlement; which unfortunately is touching the fan base as well. As I said in past – show me one more example where hosting board shared revenue with touring side, considering that the series was supposed to be held other way ….. BCB did that for 2015 series (paid ~$450K as revenue sharing IIRC) and you guys try to sell that as your entitlement for the cricket talent of PAK … have some shame man. Bro, after 70 years of cricket in a world of 10-12 teams in total, the way you guys are sounding bullish after one win against SRL speaks volume itself – trust me, I would have left PP long back had Bangladesh gone through this nose dive after 7 decades – almost every index showing that PAK fan base should keep low profile for their cricket talent …. Last one was ICC’s team of decade – this is first time that no PAK player feature that honor board.

I understand exactly what is going here in PCB’s mind. They are trying their best to bring cricket in PAK, and I must support/appreciate that, they should keep trying for that till it happens. For that, what they are trying with soft targets – nothing wrong in that either, I would have done so also. PAK doesn’t have any tours with ENG, AUS, NZ in next 1-2 years, therefore it’s the best time to bring SRL, BD, WIN …. may be SAF for tours in PAK, add to that hosting PSL in PAK, should add enough credibility by 2020/21 to approach ECB/CA/NZL and it might work actually – I would have done exactly that. BUT, don’t you think that BCB people or Papon do also understand this plot? Why should they make it easy for such arrogant and entitled board/country, who doesn’t have the basic decency of diplomacy? Why should BCB oblige to help PCB/PAK cricket, when they have been snubbed by them uncalled for? I tell you what went wrong here – that fluke CT win in 2017 got better of PCB and they suddenly thought themselves bigger than the size of their shoes, so for absolutely no reason and no issues, they cancelled BD tour unilaterally (without any discussion or deferment for suture) – do you think it’ll go unnoticed at BCB, or should it go unnoticed?

The only, and I repeat only way forward here was to close the deal silently and try to bargain as much ground as possible – even a 3 days trip by BD team for couple of T20s could have been a forward move in that direction. But, your ego, your entitlement and your false bravado as self-proclaimed elites of the game is hurting you here. Do you think this daily statements by PAK former & current players, team management, even diplomats is bringing any help to the cause? Now, what PCB has done is over-estimated their might and as a fall back plan trying to restore some pride. Negative side is, if the tour is indeed cancelled – PCB will be biggest laughing stalk and next time even ZIM will ask for neutral venue!!!!! This is exactly what Zaka Ashraf did in 2012 or around and I had read exactly similar posts that time also – it didn’t bring much success I guess. Neither PCB's "bullish" efforts to block PAK players for BPL - twice.
As I wrote somewhere – Abahani KC is Hasina’s family club (established by her late brother Kamal) …. And the poster boy for their cricket team in 1990s was a certain Wasim Akram…….. You current tal*nt isn’t exciting enough even to bother big boys, let alone treat at per….....

Including you, I’ll suggest PAK posters here to keep a low profile and observe the proceedings – you can just make it worse for you in future. Indians here will simply drag you out of your holes to rub acid in your wounds when eventually PCB gives you another hiding and I have to say – I won’t mind that. It’s not fun to open a new account as a fall back plan any try to settle some scores – don’t force yourself in that path.

Ok so then answer this.. why is BCB refusing to play tests in Pakistan?
That’s the only thing that needs answering.
No lecture or essays/thesis please
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] damn that post took me a long time to read :)

Agreed with most of your points, even if you did get a bit bullish at times :P I really don't think the new PCB is acting that entitled,. though it could have been handled better - they were confident because the Sri Lanka tour went ahead safely. However they should have accepted 3 T20Is and then maybe tests later.also,. Bangladesh board aren't saints here either. In 2011/12, after we toured Bangladesh, Bangladesh were supposed to tour pakistan in 2012 I think, just for one T20 match I think, but they even cancelled that last minute. Then we toured once again, in 2015. Yes, it was on revenue share model but still, we visited Bangladesh twice in a row with no return visit. Yes the 2017 cancellation was a mishap, but still, we have toured Bangladesh a lot in the last few years with no return visit from Bangladesh, and I think it's only fair that Bangladesh give a return at some point.
 
No one here is saint - Not BCCI, not BCB and not PCB. But this is not about saints and sinners. In this game of poker, every one has been dealt cards and unfortunately PCB has very weak hand while BCB is in much stronger hand. BCCI is sitting pretty watching everyone with amusement.

PCB is trying to bluff his way through as usual but this time, its hand is too weak and others have seen though as [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] so eloquently explained.

PCB needs to keep its head down and slowly build its hand before making another rash move.
 
I am avoiding these threads because I understand the mental state of PAK fans - apart from few trolls here, people are quite reasonable and on top of that salt is being rubbed by our common neighbors at the right place :) ... But, I'll try to respond you, because I believe you are posting here with the right spirit and cause.

There are few issues now that you guys need to understand - first, BCCI/GOI's influence on BCB regarding this tour. I feel, some of the PAK fans here trying to dish out frustration by insulting BCB, BD cricket/Govt. which is foolish - it's simply make them fool in due course of time. Obviously, IND being the largest revenue generator in cricket has a significant influence over the global cricket, but if they were adamant, before BCB, they could have blocked SRL, ZIM & WIN to travel PAK - apart from Shakib, I don't think any BD player will play IPL in this or next year (& he is banned for a year, and BCB will not allow Mustafiz NOC), but several WIN & SRL players will do ...... and, I am not even bothering to explain what BCCI can achieve from SLCB, WICB, ZCB by offering one 3 weeks tour by their B team every alternate years.... try to understand the context and link dots. Right now, GOI is facing enough troubles within to bother about who is travelling to PAK and not!!!

I am tired of hearing how BCCI is dominating BCB, how they are using BCB to isolate Pakistan…. Which will only bring embarrassments to PAK posters here, and PAK as a country as well. Just about few days back, I had read enough here from usual trolls how BCCI will block PAK players from the planned T20 games in BD, how BCB is being ordered to keep PAK players out ….. eventually, it didn’t aged well I believe. Remember, it was BCB that actually blocked ICC’s revenue sharing model proposed by BCCI – they had enough bar one vote to get it passed …. And you guys should be ashamed that your board was one of those, who sold their vote for an exchange and got snubbed (then got robbed in court case).

Next is the revenue part. I don't think you understand how boards make money out of cricket. First, the touring board doesn't make much unless it's some sort of revenue sharing model - only big chunk they (touring side) make is from guarantee money, which is a sort of royalty; even then, the travelling team often bears for own travel arrangements. Other than that, most money comes from home series - from broadcasting rights, endorsements, sponsorship, co-branding, online/social media and a bit of gate money as well. And, on top of that, there is a assured fat pay cheque from ICC's revenue sharing & from PL/SL, once a year (may be a little from domestic games as well, which is the case for BCB, but not sure about PCB).

This is where, PCB is absolutely shot at belly and BCB will dominate them, because BCB's strength isn't their cricket only (neither PCB's, but I'll explain that later...), rather the team - BD people love their cricket, their team & players. Regardless of who is playing against & how, BD cricket team will be crowd pullers, which brings sponsors and money. I read that BCB is dependent on Indian media for their money - this is because PAK posters here are habituated with PCB's annual exercise of begging to BCCI for a tour, but that's actually not the case for BCB. Yes, there are Indian business houses sponsoring cricket in BD, but that's not a charity, rather a promotion for their product/services in a crowd pulling event for mass market - BD Cricket. Here, the driving factor is the mass market interest, growing economy and willingness for sponsors to invest in BD cricket.

PAK's economy is suffering, but still there should be enough money to promote cricket in PAK, which is not happening - this is PCB's biggest weakness, hence they are almost with a beggar's bowl for Indian tour, as broadcasting money from IND series is their last resort. I give another example - BPL's expenses were going out of balance sheet because of the illegal money injection in the circus; and payment for few players were going at risky level (AdV/Stokes could have gone for $1mn this year !!!!!!). So, BCB changed the model, took ownership of all 7 franchises and sold only the brand rights to sponsors .... yet they have increased revenue and reduced expenses significantly!!! Try this in PAK - PCB & PSL will go bankrupt in no time.

I read another foolish comment here regarding whom are we going to play Test cricket (This rant is related to IRL's recent incapability to host a Test, which is frankly speaking, their problem, not BCB's). Just about 8 months back, we toured NZ for three Tests series, and two in IND last month .... and next year we are due to travel NZ again!!!! Trust me, we'll keep touring to every countries outside big 3, not only for cricket rather for something that most trolls failed to notice here - last two NZ, WIN & SRL AWAY series were title sponsored by BD brands, last SAF tour was partially sponsored by BD brands and last two IRL tournaments were completely sponsored by BD brands including the hosts!!! And, PCB is struggling to find reputed kit sponsors for their national team (AJ sports, I believe ....) .......

Now, coming to the salty part – friendship, whom are you fooling? PCB is the worst board when it comes to trust – try this from BCCI to ECB to BCB; everyone has been treated badly by PCB in one way or either – even Lankans were bullied for their good gesture of playing 3 T20s in PAK!!!!!! When PAK had CBFC (Sharjah cricket backed by Bukhatiar), they cancelled at least two trips to India, and an Asia cup. I have written many times here that everyone (may be excluding ECB) are bullied by BCCI, more so is PCB & BCB because our cricket season cuts path with theirs (which has forced our season to be shifted to monsoon) – in that regard, PCB & BCB should be the closest boards. What in return we have got from PCB is betrayal, bullying and a massive ego of entitlement; which unfortunately is touching the fan base as well. As I said in past – show me one more example where hosting board shared revenue with touring side, considering that the series was supposed to be held other way ….. BCB did that for 2015 series (paid ~$450K as revenue sharing IIRC) and you guys try to sell that as your entitlement for the cricket talent of PAK … have some shame man. Bro, after 70 years of cricket in a world of 10-12 teams in total, the way you guys are sounding bullish after one win against SRL speaks volume itself – trust me, I would have left PP long back had Bangladesh gone through this nose dive after 7 decades – almost every index showing that PAK fan base should keep low profile for their cricket talent …. Last one was ICC’s team of decade – this is first time that no PAK player feature that honor board.

I understand exactly what is going here in PCB’s mind. They are trying their best to bring cricket in PAK, and I must support/appreciate that, they should keep trying for that till it happens. For that, what they are trying with soft targets – nothing wrong in that either, I would have done so also. PAK doesn’t have any tours with ENG, AUS, NZ in next 1-2 years, therefore it’s the best time to bring SRL, BD, WIN …. may be SAF for tours in PAK, add to that hosting PSL in PAK, should add enough credibility by 2020/21 to approach ECB/CA/NZL and it might work actually – I would have done exactly that. BUT, don’t you think that BCB people or Papon do also understand this plot? Why should they make it easy for such arrogant and entitled board/country, who doesn’t have the basic decency of diplomacy? Why should BCB oblige to help PCB/PAK cricket, when they have been snubbed by them uncalled for? I tell you what went wrong here – that fluke CT win in 2017 got better of PCB and they suddenly thought themselves bigger than the size of their shoes, so for absolutely no reason and no issues, they cancelled BD tour unilaterally (without any discussion or deferment for suture) – do you think it’ll go unnoticed at BCB, or should it go unnoticed?

The only, and I repeat only way forward here was to close the deal silently and try to bargain as much ground as possible – even a 3 days trip by BD team for couple of T20s could have been a forward move in that direction. But, your ego, your entitlement and your false bravado as self-proclaimed elites of the game is hurting you here. Do you think this daily statements by PAK former & current players, team management, even diplomats is bringing any help to the cause? Now, what PCB has done is over-estimated their might and as a fall back plan trying to restore some pride. Negative side is, if the tour is indeed cancelled – PCB will be biggest laughing stalk and next time even ZIM will ask for neutral venue!!!!! This is exactly what Zaka Ashraf did in 2012 or around and I had read exactly similar posts that time also – it didn’t bring much success I guess. Neither PCB's "bullish" efforts to block PAK players for BPL - twice.
As I wrote somewhere – Abahani KC is Hasina’s family club (established by her late brother Kamal) …. And the poster boy for their cricket team in 1990s was a certain Wasim Akram…….. You current tal*nt isn’t exciting enough even to bother big boys, let alone treat at per….....

Including you, I’ll suggest PAK posters here to keep a low profile and observe the proceedings – you can just make it worse for you in future. Indians here will simply drag you out of your holes to rub acid in your wounds when eventually PCB gives you another hiding and I have to say – I won’t mind that. It’s not fun to open a new account as a fall back plan any try to settle some scores – don’t force yourself in that path.

Pakistan cricket is resilient and will thrive, who needs Bangladesh?. During the last decade alone we have won CT, won WT20 reached no.1 in test rankings, all without playing at home. Its a pity BD can't achieve all this even in the next 100 years.
 
Ok so then answer this.. why is BCB refusing to play tests in Pakistan?
That’s the only thing that needs answering.
No lecture or essays/thesis please

Read the last two paras slowly & carefully..... there is enough clue unless still you think it’s BCCI playing cards.
 
Pakistan cricket is resilient and will thrive, who needs Bangladesh?. During the last decade alone we have won CT, won WT20 reached no.1 in test rankings, all without playing at home. Its a pity BD can't achieve all this even in the next 100 years.

Good for you - you can carry on that route; why pulling Bangladesh than?

Regarding your last part, I can quote many such bullish claim from your leaders in past .... which won’t read too respectful for you guys .... that too in the month of December, which is the biggest pity for PAK as a nation, cricket is just too little in that space. You are foolish, hence try to bully Bangladesh here, when you should put all your efforts to hide your national shame.

100 years is a bit long term - let’s deal with next decade at a time.
 
To be honest, both sides have a lot to lose.

So best way forward is behind the doors negotiations which given the lack of statements for a whole 24 hours, seems to be what is happening!
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] damn that post took me a long time to read :)

Agreed with most of your points, even if you did get a bit bullish at times :P I really don't think the new PCB is acting that entitled,. though it could have been handled better - they were confident because the Sri Lanka tour went ahead safely. However they should have accepted 3 T20Is and then maybe tests later.also,. Bangladesh board aren't saints here either. In 2011/12, after we toured Bangladesh, Bangladesh were supposed to tour pakistan in 2012 I think, just for one T20 match I think, but they even cancelled that last minute. Then we toured once again, in 2015. Yes, it was on revenue share model but still, we visited Bangladesh twice in a row with no return visit. Yes the 2017 cancellation was a mishap, but still, we have toured Bangladesh a lot in the last few years with no return visit from Bangladesh, and I think it's only fair that Bangladesh give a return at some point.

You didn’t tour actually- PCB was facilitated to host their 2015 series in BD, and for that they actually received money - unique in history of cricket. That 2017 series was BCB’s hosting right and 2015 was supposed to be PCB’s which they failed to arrange at home, declined to arrange in UAE - what’s unfair in this?

Bangladesh should give a return for sure - though I hear PAK talunt might not be enticed with BD cats and PAK fans won’t bother to follow the cricket (though they were quite excited with Jason Mo’s WIN); BUT forget about that in this way - PCB and PP needs to understand first that, it’s PCB needs to bring cricket in Pakistan; BCB doesn’t need to play cricket with Pakistan. The earlier it’s realised, I am sure the approach will change - some people learn from observing, some from experience and some unfortunately needs ....
 
Is the comment from the FM supposed to guilt trip Bangladesh into visiting Pakistan? Even if I try to put a positive spin on it - at best all I can say is that it is really not a useful comment - as far as - contributing towards a BAN tour to PAK.
 
Guys do no get personal with each other.
To be honest, I think this poster needs to be taught to practice what he preaches. 'Keeping a low profile', coming from a Bangladesh fan, is hilarious on so many levels. Also the fact that he calls the CT win a fluke, while his country will not be good enough to fluke even a tri-series for probably ten more years.

What [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] essentially is saying that BCB has not forgotten the actions of a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REGIME of the PCB, and is doing this out of spite. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out how wrong that sounds. This current PCB management is trying it's best to right the wrongs of the previous fools who ran cricket in this country, and he is endorsing the BCB spitting in the face of all that hard work by giving excuses.

While the Pakistan captain and coach should not have commented on this issue, the PCB has been fair in it's dealings thus far. They have asked the BCB for an honest answer to their reluctance to tour, and has got nothing but feeble retorts thus far. PCB cannot control what any politicians of this country say, or do. To refuse a neutral venue is the PCB's right. How does that amount to self-entitlement, I would want [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] to gladly explain without writing a long post with only the relevant answer.

P.S. Did not quote him directly, as I want this discussion to be civil for once.
 
To be honest, I think this poster needs to be taught to practice what he preaches. 'Keeping a low profile', coming from a Bangladesh fan, is hilarious on so many levels. Also the fact that he calls the CT win a fluke, while his country will not be good enough to fluke even a tri-series for probably ten more years.

What [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] essentially is saying that BCB has not forgotten the actions of a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REGIME of the PCB, and is doing this out of spite. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out how wrong that sounds. This current PCB management is trying it's best to right the wrongs of the previous fools who ran cricket in this country, and he is endorsing the BCB spitting in the face of all that hard work by giving excuses.

While the Pakistan captain and coach should not have commented on this issue, the PCB has been fair in it's dealings thus far. They have asked the BCB for an honest answer to their reluctance to tour, and has got nothing but feeble retorts thus far. PCB cannot control what any politicians of this country say, or do. To refuse a neutral venue is the PCB's right. How does that amount to self-entitlement, I would want [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] to gladly explain without writing a long post with only the relevant answer.

P.S. Did not quote him directly, as I want this discussion to be civil for once.

Regime changed, attitude didn’t - it won’t work. Also, I think PAK is doing great without playing BD, what’s the problem here? PCB right is to host where it wants it’s cricket - BCB also preserve it's right to chose it’s opponent.
 
Regime changed, attitude didn’t - it won’t work. Also, I think PAK is doing great without playing BD, what’s the problem here? PCB right is to host where it wants it’s cricket - BCB also preserve it's right to chose it’s opponent.

Asking why refusing not to play in Pakistan and preserving it’s right to chose not to play are two different things.
 
To be honest, I think this poster needs to be taught to practice what he preaches. 'Keeping a low profile', coming from a Bangladesh fan, is hilarious on so many levels. Also the fact that he calls the CT win a fluke, while his country will not be good enough to fluke even a tri-series for probably ten more years.

What [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] essentially is saying that BCB has not forgotten the actions of a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REGIME of the PCB, and is doing this out of spite. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out how wrong that sounds. This current PCB management is trying it's best to right the wrongs of the previous fools who ran cricket in this country, and he is endorsing the BCB spitting in the face of all that hard work by giving excuses.

While the Pakistan captain and coach should not have commented on this issue, the PCB has been fair in it's dealings thus far. They have asked the BCB for an honest answer to their reluctance to tour, and has got nothing but feeble retorts thus far. PCB cannot control what any politicians of this country say, or do. To refuse a neutral venue is the PCB's right. How does that amount to self-entitlement, I would want [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] to gladly explain without writing a long post with only the relevant answer.

P.S. Did not quote him directly, as I want this discussion to be civil for once.

Absolutely nothing wrong for a coach or captain to ask legit questions regarding any tour.
 
Regime changed, attitude didn’t - it won’t work. Also, I think PAK is doing great without playing BD, what’s the problem here? PCB right is to host where it wants it’s cricket - BCB also preserve it's right to chose it’s opponent.

The problem is test championship points at stake. Still unclear as to what is BD’s problem in refusing to tour . Your reply make it sound like it’s out of spite alone. Which is fine considering the history but come forward and own up to it instead of beating around the bush.
 
Asking why refusing not to play in Pakistan and preserving it’s right to chose not to play are two different things.

You see, we are roaming in circles, the answer is quite simple actually - PCB didn’t think hosting BD in UAE is worthy; BCB doesn’t think travelling to PAK for playing cricket is worthy either.

Now, you can say why BCB sent it’s junior teams, ladies team .... BCB will ask how it was worthy to host WIN or SRL in UAE?

PCB will say, we don’t share same view of previous regime (regarding that cancelled series), and we can’t take responsibility either ..... BCB will say - it doesn’t help us in recovering our losses, several million dollars as I hear. They had to pay their cricketers, coaching staffs, media partners .... even return money back to sponsors.

That’s why, I gave the clue long back in my first post - make a two day trip to Dhaka, propose a make up series during IPL, and crack a deal. Papon is a crook, but he smells money - it would have worked and PCB could have got away with bigger gains - which is cricket in Pakistan.

Unfortunately you guys at every level from PAK players to diplomats were thinking in same line - BCB is BCCI’s poodle, BD team is not worthy of bothering, GoI won’t allow Hasina to deal with PAK, bring back PAK players from BPL to teach a lesson, BD players are not worthy of playing in PSL ..... do you think in this era of social media, people in charge are not aware of these? And given past history between two nations, in current context - whom do you think foolish here?

At best case, let’s consider ICC awards PAK 120 points - do you see the danger in that? AUS, ENG, IND, NZ, SAF can’t risk losing championship points like this, neither they’ll commit to travel in PAK .... result is complete isolation; PAK will be put in a place where you guys will remain happy with Jason Mo’s WIN & Robert Mughabe’s ZIM.

Running mouth before head is the easiest thing, but it doesn’t work larke lenge style - history should have taught that to your leadership, PCB is just one element of it.

Anyway, I tried my best here to keep PAK poster decent in this regard so that it doesn’t bite back - I am done with my efforts.
 
Absolutely nothing wrong for a coach or captain to ask legit questions regarding any tour.

Even most of your PAK posters don’t agree with that, so I guess you have found your logic, can’t help much.
 
Good for you - you can carry on that route; why pulling Bangladesh than?

Regarding your last part, I can quote many such bullish claim from your leaders in past .... which won’t read too respectful for you guys .... that too in the month of December, which is the biggest pity for PAK as a nation, cricket is just too little in that space. You are foolish, hence try to bully Bangladesh here, when you should put all your efforts to hide your national shame.

100 years is a bit long term - let’s deal with next decade at a time.

When you have nothing in cricket to show for, go to politics,lol. But I will oblige. FYI, word PAKISTAN is an acronym, Chaudhry Rehmat Ali voiced the idea of Pakistan in a pamphlet titled "Now or Never; Are We to Live or Perish Forever?". The word 'Pakstan' referred to "the five Northern units of India, viz., Punjab, North-West Frontier Province (Afghan Province), Kashmir, Sind and Baluchistan".By the end of 1933, 'Pakistan' had become common vocabulary, and an i was added to ease pronunciation (as in Afghan-i-stan). So, Bengal was never meant to be part of Pakistan and Lord Mountbatten at the time of partition gave Bengal to Pakistan instead of Kashmir knowing well it will prove to be an embarrassment for Pakistan.

Anyways I am glad you guys are separate now, for us 1971 is ancient history which corrected an historical blunder, nothing more.
 
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The problem is test championship points at stake. Still unclear as to what is BD’s problem in refusing to tour . Your reply make it sound like it’s out of spite alone. Which is fine considering the history but come forward and own up to it instead of beating around the bush.

PAK will not achieve worth of a single penny from Bangladesh in this route, no matter who is in PMs office. I completely understand that Misbah & Azhar were almost led to their speech - but that is exactly where the mistake lies. It didn’t work 50 years back, won’t work 50 years later either.

This thread is about the FM, who is one of the stalwarts of PTI Govt. What he is trying here is trying to chill gullible PAK fans and common people, which wasn’t required - these statements will only make other side stubborn. What Shahid Afridi did few months back, shouldn’t be repeated by the FM of a country.... I guess now you can see the problem.
 
When you have nothing in cricket to show for, go to politics,lol. But I will oblige. FYI, word PAKISTAN is an acronym, Chaudhry Rehmat Ali voiced the idea of Pakistan in a pamphlet titled "Now or Never; Are We to Live or Perish Forever?". The word 'Pakstan' referred to "the five Northern units of India, viz., Punjab, North-West Frontier Province (Afghan Province), Kashmir, Sind and Baluchistan".By the end of 1933, 'Pakistan' had become common vocabulary, and an i was added to ease pronunciation (as in Afghan-i-stan). So, Bengal was never meant to be part of Pakistan and Lord Mountbatten at the time of partition gave Bengal to Pakistan instead of Kashmir knowing well it will prove to be an embarrassment for Pakistan.

Anyways I am glad you guys are separate now, for us 1971 is ancient history which corrected an historical blunder, nothing more.

You had lot to show in cricket, that’s what brought me here at least - now that is what you are left with, so it’ll hurt more in future.

Anyway, the Pakistan proposal itself was placed by a Bengali in 1940, and that was our biggest mistake. 1971 is an accident history for you because no one loves to “cherish” their such “glory”. For BD people, it’s lot more - still BD people do know who to move forward. But, PCB has lost it triggering that same attitude - it’ll back fire.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] quite immature behavior from our FM but I see bangladesh at fault here I mean their board,delaying tacticts about the decision.Why not say we are not playing in pak at all rather than coming only for T20I and that too late. What PCB can do now?? arranging neutral venue is not that easy task.
 
PCB has no beef with BCCI, it’s the GOI that does not allow the two teams to play besides world events. That’s the Indian narrative at least. ACB lol, are they even relevant? Where is their head office?

PCB indeed have beef with BCCI, which goes all the way back to 2009 during IPL. Then, after that PCB tried to sabotage 2011 WC which they failed to garner enough support.
Last year, relationship hit the rock bottom when PCB filed a lawsuit against BCCI, which they lost and ended up paying $1.6M.

PCB should try to bridge gaps with BCB and try to find a middle ground. They could host BD for T20Is and then invite them again for full tour.
 
Regime changed, attitude didn’t - it won’t work. Also, I think PAK is doing great without playing BD, what’s the problem here? PCB right is to host where it wants it’s cricket - BCB also preserve it's right to chose it’s opponent.
BCB is within its rights to refuse, but not without valid reasoning. PCB can use precedence here and ask for a satisfactory reply from the BCB. When SLCB and ICC deem the venue safe enough for it's individuals, BCB should either agree to tour or refuse WITH a satisfactory explanation.

Also, it is not about whether Pakistan is doing great playing Bangladesh or not. Trust me, this series will not be followed by many Pakistanis either way. But a second successful tour in a matter of months might pave the way for a return to consistent cricket in a nation where people are deprived of international cricket.

Also, I don't believe the PCB has behaved immorally at all in the current scenario. BCB has the previous regime in the back of their minds, and is probably letting that cloud their judgment.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] quite immature behavior from our FM but I see bangladesh at fault here I mean their board,delaying tacticts about the decision.Why not say we are not playing in pak at all rather than coming only for T20I and that too late. What PCB can do now?? arranging neutral venue is not that easy task.

I don’t disagree and I expressed that in my post at first go - BCB should have been proactive & more professional; it’s not possible for PCB either to arrange alternate venue at last moment.

But, what you said here exactly should have been the approach of PCB - get them in PAK for even a day and that’ll be moral victory; after that BCB didn’t have much ground, may be they could have deferred the series by few months.

To do that, PCB had to try fixing what was broken - instead they went opposite direction. And, this will actually go against PCB now - you can’t hatch your egg before laying. SRL was a bit obliged to return back for the Test series after travelling for the LO leg - here PCB thought they could leap frog one step ... it’s Bangladesh. It was a mistake at first place in that thought process. What you are hearing now from indifferent people is just an attempt to damage control, a face saving effort - ball has gone out of PCB’s court.

Figuring out who is at fault here isn’t helping PAK cricket much - I am telling this as a friend of PAK cricket; I don’t have much love for Hasina’s goons or Papon.
 
You see, we are roaming in circles, the answer is quite simple actually - PCB didn’t think hosting BD in UAE is worthy; BCB doesn’t think travelling to PAK for playing cricket is worthy either.

Now, you can say why BCB sent it’s junior teams, ladies team .... BCB will ask how it was worthy to host WIN or SRL in UAE?

PCB will say, we don’t share same view of previous regime (regarding that cancelled series), and we can’t take responsibility either ..... BCB will say - it doesn’t help us in recovering our losses, several million dollars as I hear. They had to pay their cricketers, coaching staffs, media partners .... even return money back to sponsors.

That’s why, I gave the clue long back in my first post - make a two day trip to Dhaka, propose a make up series during IPL, and crack a deal. Papon is a crook, but he smells money - it would have worked and PCB could have got away with bigger gains - which is cricket in Pakistan.

Unfortunately you guys at every level from PAK players to diplomats were thinking in same line - BCB is BCCI’s poodle, BD team is not worthy of bothering, GoI won’t allow Hasina to deal with PAK, bring back PAK players from BPL to teach a lesson, BD players are not worthy of playing in PSL ..... do you think in this era of social media, people in charge are not aware of these? And given past history between two nations, in current context - whom do you think foolish here?

At best case, let’s consider ICC awards PAK 120 points - do you see the danger in that? AUS, ENG, IND, NZ, SAF can’t risk losing championship points like this, neither they’ll commit to travel in PAK .... result is complete isolation; PAK will be put in a place where you guys will remain happy with Jason Mo’s WIN & Robert Mughabe’s ZIM.

Running mouth before head is the easiest thing, but it doesn’t work larke lenge style - history should have taught that to your leadership, PCB is just one element of it.

Anyway, I tried my best here to keep PAK poster decent in this regard so that it doesn’t bite back - I am done with my efforts.

Again,

Asking why refusing not to play in Pakistan and preserving it's right to chose not to play are two different things.
 
Even most of your PAK posters don’t agree with that, so I guess you have found your logic, can’t help much.

Players and coach either asking or answering question regarding this issue? Why not? They have their opinion and they are entitled unless there was a gag order on this issue.
 
BCB is within its rights to refuse, but not without valid reasoning. PCB can use precedence here and ask for a satisfactory reply from the BCB. When SLCB and ICC deem the venue safe enough for it's individuals, BCB should either agree to tour or refuse WITH a satisfactory explanation.

Also, it is not about whether Pakistan is doing great playing Bangladesh or not. Trust me, this series will not be followed by many Pakistanis either way. But a second successful tour in a matter of months might pave the way for a return to consistent cricket in a nation where people are deprived of international cricket.

Also, I don't believe the PCB has behaved immorally at all in the current scenario. BCB has the previous regime in the back of their minds, and is probably letting that cloud their judgment.

This series was massive for PAK, multiple times more than bringing SRL, and that’s not for cricketing reasons only. SRL is buying arms from PAK at large scale, therefore there is a dependency which people who are watching do know. But, Bangladesh could have been a major coup considering the past history, relationship between Govts., and putting India in the mix.

I don’t think PCB did enough due diligence regarding big picture here. Wasim Khan could go to Australia for ensure that Aussies call you for next tour .... and here you think statements after statements will scare BCB to submission? Another childish effort I see is the kindergarten kid route - what you guys think, instigating BCB in line of BCCI will trigger them to jump into PAK and prove that they give a damn about BCCI!!!!!

I said many time - 10-12 years back I had conversation relationship with Papon; he is the son of Zillur Rahman, and his mother was assassinated by a bomb blast in 2004, alleged to be helped by ISI.... still that guy didn’t block PAK-BD cricket; but this guy will never take anything from PAK that suggests he is treated unfairly, or Bangladesh is taken for granted by Pakistan.

PCB has to go back to the roots - UAE & that 2017 series. No one can bring back time, but there is always alternatives.
 
PCB indeed have beef with BCCI, which goes all the way back to 2009 during IPL. Then, after that PCB tried to sabotage 2011 WC which they failed to garner enough support.
Last year, relationship hit the rock bottom when PCB filed a lawsuit against BCCI, which they lost and ended up paying $1.6M.

PCB should try to bridge gaps with BCB and try to find a middle ground. They could host BD for T20Is and then invite them again for full tour.

Well said not to forget Ehsan Mani’s recent statements....
 
Shah jii chado paran does it even matter no point of blame game make yourself so good that they have to force themselves to tour your country to play you.
 
PCB indeed have beef with BCCI, which goes all the way back to 2009 during IPL. Then, after that PCB tried to sabotage 2011 WC which they failed to garner enough support.
Last year, relationship hit the rock bottom when PCB filed a lawsuit against BCCI, which they lost and ended up paying $1.6M.

PCB should try to bridge gaps with BCB and try to find a middle ground. They could host BD for T20Is and then invite them again for full tour.
This!

Cricket or for that matter any sports administration is a lot like diplomacy. You've to choose your words really wisely. You've to be really naive to think to be enamored by all despite spiting them day in and day out.

Considering there aren't too many test playing nations, you just can't go on antagonizing anyone especially if it happens to be your neighbour and is more likely to tour you than some other distant nations who'll tour only to fulfill FTP requirements.
 
At this crucial juncture, when they've just hosted a test series in a decade which was successful by all accounts, PCB should be on a mission to make friends (which can't be without a bit of give and take) and not on self destruct mode.

These out of turn statements coming from people who are irrelevant (at least from cricket administration point of view) will alienate even their hard core friendly boards which I believe aren't many currently!
 
This series was massive for PAK, multiple times more than bringing SRL, and that’s not for cricketing reasons only. SRL is buying arms from PAK at large scale, therefore there is a dependency which people who are watching do know. But, Bangladesh could have been a major coup considering the past history, relationship between Govts., and putting India in the mix.

I don’t think PCB did enough due diligence regarding big picture here. Wasim Khan could go to Australia for ensure that Aussies call you for next tour .... and here you think statements after statements will scare BCB to submission? Another childish effort I see is the kindergarten kid route - what you guys think, instigating BCB in line of BCCI will trigger them to jump into PAK and prove that they give a damn about BCCI!!!!!

I said many time - 10-12 years back I had conversation relationship with Papon; he is the son of Zillur Rahman, and his mother was assassinated by a bomb blast in 2004, alleged to be helped by ISI.... still that guy didn’t block PAK-BD cricket; but this guy will never take anything from PAK that suggests he is treated unfairly, or Bangladesh is taken for granted by Pakistan.

PCB has to go back to the roots - UAE & that 2017 series. No one can bring back time, but there is always alternatives.
Once again, you are writing long posts without much relevant context here. Do you have any proof that Wasim Khan isn't in touch with BCB officials behind the scenes? Do you have any proof that he is not dealing with the BCB in good faith? For every valid statement PCB has made, an 'anonymous official' from BCB has reciprocated and the PCB has been forced to say more than once that they haven't received any reply from the BCB, who have otherwise released some tidbit through the media.

PCB is not responsible for anything that a politician says.

You are reiterating that BCB is doing this out of spite, and taking pride in it. You need to let go of your insecurity and accept the BCB is in the wrong here, and this Papon Shapon is a buffoon.
 
I am not entirely sure if this is worth saying publicly - it should have been conveyed privately to BCB. But, to me it makes complete sense that BCCI and/or GoI would try this. As others have mentioned, India has gone much further in other cases to try to isolate Pakistan. It has left no stone unturned and left no opportunity that it could take to isolate Pakistan. Influencing BCB comparatively to not tour Pakistan would be a low hanging fruit comparatively, and should be an easy one for them. I have no doubt that they would try to influence them to not tour Pakistan. In fact, if anything, it would be completely inconsistent with everything else they've done if they did not influence BCB to not tour Pakistan.
 
If you’re talking about politics then perhaps. But here, we are strictly talking in regards to Ehsan Mani and his rants, which BCCI have been ignoring.

Didn't BCCI actually respond to him claiming that India is less safe than Pakistan?
 
Didn't BCCI actually respond to him claiming that India is less safe than Pakistan?

One odd instance yes, cause he tried to portray India is more dangerous thanPakistan.

What I never understand is why does Mani needs to drag other country down in order to portray Pakistan as safe nation? He is only causing more riffs between boards.
 
Oh my lord, this circus is still going on between you guys? Also, what is all this blaming our board and getting BCcI involved in your problems? As if BCCI has nothing better to do than to think about PCB all day, every day.

Honestly, the solution is simple. They don't want to play the test, fine. Let the t20 tour happen and then negociate for test. Them touring is a bigger bonus for you guys then for them. If they don't tour, other teams will have no reason to not put the stick right up there just like they are doing. Them touring doesn't guarantee SENA will tour, but gives you guys an opportunity to show to the world yet again that Pak is safe for sports. More you guys are able to show this, easier it becomes for the future (NO BRAINER - some of the troll posters doesn't seem to realize this). PCB is being stupid here (regardless of if BCB is being fair or not - open for debate)
BD tour => benifit pcb > Bcb

Karma is not the nicest thing in the world. PCB showed BCB their place in 2017 (I believe) by canceling the tour last min. It's coming right back to bite PCBs rear end. What goes around, comes back around eventually
 
One odd instance yes, cause he tried to portray India is more dangerous thanPakistan.

What I never understand is why does Mani needs to drag other country down in order to portray Pakistan as safe nation? He is only causing more riffs between boards.

I agree, it was unnecessary. He could have used widely available statistics to make his point without dragging any other country into it.
 
Once again, you are writing long posts without much relevant context here. Do you have any proof that Wasim Khan isn't in touch with BCB officials behind the scenes? Do you have any proof that he is not dealing with the BCB in good faith? For every valid statement PCB has made, an 'anonymous official' from BCB has reciprocated and the PCB has been forced to say more than once that they haven't received any reply from the BCB, who have otherwise released some tidbit through the media.

PCB is not responsible for anything that a politician says.

You are reiterating that BCB is doing this out of spite, and taking pride in it. You need to let go of your insecurity and accept the BCB is in the wrong here, and this Papon Shapon is a buffoon.

I have already said at first that BCB isn’t doing right here - there is no insecurities from my part. My today’s posts were not to support BCB, rather to make sure that emotions don’t get better of PAK posters. Unfortunately, you guys tried and still trying to justify PCB’s past acts - think again who is unsecured here and who has an issue of vaunted ego.

Validity of any such statement can’t be verified and why you are thinking that only PCB is telling the truth here - the most unfaithful board in cricket world, famous for their random statements, from top to bottom!!!! I don’t think I have read much from random people in BCB - so far three - the President, the CEO & the director operations (Akram)...I believe these three are official spokes person of BCB and rightly so, ..... you might not know who they are, but nothing from the coach, players, managers or captain - may be you have better sources, which I don’t know.

You actually have written a similar size post with lots of context may be, but I can only see some childish questions though - of course PCB & WK is in contact with BCB, of course there are dialogues over the issue, of course there are offers made in good faith ..... don’t you think it will be a bit foolish to think both boards will seat at their office and things will happen on its own? But, have you noticed the difference- WK & Mani were in Australia for couple of weeks to make sure that they keep you inviting next time after your show there ... and WK justified that by saying, these deals can’t be cracked over phone ..... I don’t think there is any bigger deal than bringing cricket in Pakistan ..... May be like many here, PCB also thought that ... its Bangladesh, after all .....

Papon is a crook, a mobster and an one man mafia; but the guy is anything but a buffoon, he knows his game very well - if you think that PCB will deal with him ala standard PCB officials like Izaj Butt, Zaka Ashraf & Nazam Sethi .... good luck to them.
 
That was response to allegations of India not been safe. But he have been issuing many statements which were conveniently ignored.

I would have used word criticism If it was constructive enough, however some of his statements were merely his opinion which he tried to portray as facts.

Like I told you, nothing is "conveniently" ignored - as it shouldnt be. As CJ said here, BCCI will take note of this and use it for later.
 
I have already said at first that BCB isn’t doing right here - there is no insecurities from my part. My today’s posts were not to support BCB, rather to make sure that emotions don’t get better of PAK posters. Unfortunately, you guys tried and still trying to justify PCB’s past acts - think again who is unsecured here and who has an issue of vaunted ego.

Validity of any such statement can’t be verified and why you are thinking that only PCB is telling the truth here - the most unfaithful board in cricket world, famous for their random statements, from top to bottom!!!! I don’t think I have read much from random people in BCB - so far three - the President, the CEO & the director operations (Akram)...I believe these three are official spokes person of BCB and rightly so, ..... you might not know who they are, but nothing from the coach, players, managers or captain - may be you have better sources, which I don’t know.

You actually have written a similar size post with lots of context may be, but I can only see some childish questions though - of course PCB & WK is in contact with BCB, of course there are dialogues over the issue, of course there are offers made in good faith ..... don’t you think it will be a bit foolish to think both boards will seat at their office and things will happen on its own? But, have you noticed the difference- WK & Mani were in Australia for couple of weeks to make sure that they keep you inviting next time after your show there ... and WK justified that by saying, these deals can’t be cracked over phone ..... I don’t think there is any bigger deal than bringing cricket in Pakistan ..... May be like many here, PCB also thought that ... its Bangladesh, after all .....

Papon is a crook, a mobster and an one man mafia; but the guy is anything but a buffoon, he knows his game very well - if you think that PCB will deal with him ala standard PCB officials like Izaj Butt, Zaka Ashraf & Nazam Sethi .... good luck to them.
Right, so correct me if I am wrong, but the gist of your post centres around why Wasim Khan is not flying off to Dhaka to tie the shoe-laces of your officials and jumping through hoops to make this tour happen. The question wasn't childish, but to make you post exactly what you just posted.

And you accuse Pakistanis of self-entitlement :salute

Furthermore, if what you are saying can be taken on face value, the BCB needs to figure out the difference between the current regime and the previous managements in place. If they can't and this Pappon buffoon continues to jeapordize this tour out of spite, this series won't gain traction at all.
 
Imran Khan should replace SMQ with someone more competent. He has been below par for some time now, specially his inactivity regarding Kashmir issue has been abysmal to say the least. Add to that, he somehow manages to make the most useless, ill timed statements on different issues ('googly' statement regarding Kartarpur corridor comes to mind). I doubt his intentions.

That being said, cricket is used as diplomatic tool in South Asia. Cricket boards have no say when it comes to certain decisions and that is quiet evident in this instance. I do not know for sure how much presence India has in power corridors of Dhaka but considering that India had managed to cultivate its poodles in Pakistan, has some of the Arabian princes on their leash, have managed to create a space for themelves in Iran/Afghanistan; it is not entirely speculative to believe that India has reasonable influence on certain policy making in Bangladesh specially concerning Pakistan. Responses of Indian posters in threads like these, though a poor indicator, also depict their ulterior desires and wishes when it comes to Pak-Bangla relations.

It is quiet obvious as to what BCB is doing here. By keeping things in air, not coming straightly as to why they are hesitant to tour creates a negative image of our country. These statements from 'unconfirmed BCB officials' have sole purpose of making us look bad and to create doubts regarding the security situation of our country. I will like to be proven wrong but Bangladesh just like India and Afghanistan will not tour Pakistan for the foreseeable future. Things will improve for us only if we can reduce Indian influence in our neighbourhood. This requires proactive, positive decision making based upon comprehensive acumen of statecraft and realpolitik which unfortunately our leadership lacks for now.

I urge my fellow Pakistanis to please look at the broader picture and do not harbour hate in our hearts when it comes to our Bangladeshi or Afghani brothers. They are simply being ruled by dishonest governments just like we have been in the past.
 
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Right, so correct me if I am wrong, but the gist of your post centres around why Wasim Khan is not flying off to Dhaka to tie the shoe-laces of your officials and jumping through hoops to make this tour happen. The question wasn't childish, but to make you post exactly what you just posted.

And you accuse Pakistanis of self-entitlement :salute

Furthermore, if what you are saying can be taken on face value, the BCB needs to figure out the difference between the current regime and the previous managements in place. If they can't and this Pappon buffoon continues to jeapordize this tour out of spite, this series won't gain traction at all.

Good fall back attempt, but won’t work - you are putting words in my mouth here, not me. And, talking about entitlement - I guess, we discussed it lot when someone thought about who should be in division one of Test tier, if applicable.

And no, you didn’t ask those childish questions to set the trap - you won’t have caught like this in that case. As I said - I have no insecurities here to admit what BCB is doing not right .... the day you get better of your insecurities & ego, you’ll also agree that PCB’s treatment to BCB wasn’t fair - you can argue with logic; otherwise you’ll be keeping to set the traps & end with Misbah salute.

I never asked for PCB to tie shoe laces; but it did cost BCB in 2017 financially and not to mention the break of relationships - we can’t bring back time; what PCB can do is mend that bridge and compensate BCB in a different way - if you think it’s tying shoe laces, be my guest; you are entitled for your interpretation.

It’s not Papon’s responsibility to figure out the changes in PCB regime; rather PCB has to bring in confidence that things are changed and it’ll be positive going forward. Ultimate gain is for PCB here and Papon buffoon knows that better than the intellectuals at PCB. You have to figure out who should be pro active here.
 
It’s important for Pakistan to build trust with India and Rest of the world. Nothing great in saying that Pakistan is not irrelevant to India.
 
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Like I told you, nothing is "conveniently" ignored - as it shouldnt be. As CJ said here, BCCI will take note of this and use it for later.

BCCI does remember people/baords/sponsors who are againist them. But in last few years PCB chairman speaks one language in the press and another in the boardroom.

I wont be surprised if after the next ICC meet Mani says he has had a discussion with BCCI.
 
Good fall back attempt, but won’t work - you are putting words in my mouth here, not me. And, talking about entitlement - I guess, we discussed it lot when someone thought about who should be in division one of Test tier, if applicable.

And no, you didn’t ask those childish questions to set the trap - you won’t have caught like this in that case. As I said - I have no insecurities here to admit what BCB is doing not right .... the day you get better of your insecurities & ego, you’ll also agree that PCB’s treatment to BCB wasn’t fair - you can argue with logic; otherwise you’ll be keeping to set the traps & end with Misbah salute.

I never asked for PCB to tie shoe laces; but it did cost BCB in 2017 financially and not to mention the break of relationships - we can’t bring back time; what PCB can do is mend that bridge and compensate BCB in a different way - if you think it’s tying shoe laces, be my guest; you are entitled for your interpretation.

It’s not Papon’s responsibility to figure out the changes in PCB regime; rather PCB has to bring in confidence that things are changed and it’ll be positive going forward. Ultimate gain is for PCB here and Papon buffoon knows that better than the intellectuals at PCB. You have to figure out who should be pro active here.
What was the flashpoint for the breakdown in PCB and BCB's relations? Let's see if you remember. Don't try to pin it all on the PCB, when there has been questionable behaviour from your side too in the past.

PCB has not acted out of the ordinary here at all. I have already said the captain and coach coming out with statements should not have happened, but I'm not entirely sure what the bigger picture is there. Your 'anonymous officials' have reciprocated aswell. What the PCB has done though, is ask BCB for a satisfactory clarification and it seems they have not got one yet besides "hOST uS iN UAE, jUST lIKE yOU hOSTED wEST iNDIES".
 
BCCI does remember people/baords/sponsors who are againist them. But in last few years PCB chairman speaks one language in the press and another in the boardroom.

I wont be surprised if after the next ICC meet Mani says he has had a discussion with BCCI.

And why would you doubt that?
 
BCCI does remember people/baords/sponsors who are againist them. But in last few years PCB chairman speaks one language in the press and another in the boardroom.

I wont be surprised if after the next ICC meet Mani says he has had a discussion with BCCI.

You heard it first folks, BCCI is the Board that remembers.

I guess the other Boards suffer from memory loss.
 
Good fall back attempt, but won’t work - you are putting words in my mouth here, not me. And, talking about entitlement - I guess, we discussed it lot when someone thought about who should be in division one of Test tier, if applicable.

And no, you didn’t ask those childish questions to set the trap - you won’t have caught like this in that case. As I said - I have no insecurities here to admit what BCB is doing not right .... the day you get better of your insecurities & ego, you’ll also agree that PCB’s treatment to BCB wasn’t fair - you can argue with logic; otherwise you’ll be keeping to set the traps & end with Misbah salute.

I never asked for PCB to tie shoe laces; but it did cost BCB in 2017 financially and not to mention the break of relationships - we can’t bring back time; what PCB can do is mend that bridge and compensate BCB in a different way - if you think it’s tying shoe laces, be my guest; you are entitled for your interpretation.

It’s not Papon’s responsibility to figure out the changes in PCB regime; rather PCB has to bring in confidence that things are changed and it’ll be positive going forward. Ultimate gain is for PCB here and Papon buffoon knows that better than the intellectuals at PCB. You have to figure out who should be pro active here.

Pak fans, PCB officials and a lot of other people seem to be living in some glorious past where Pak players / PCB are kings and BD fans and board are groveling for test status... I think they will get a shock by end of 2030 when B'desh as a country would have left Pak behind on every economic indicator ( including sports as well)
 
Pak fans, PCB officials and a lot of other people seem to be living in some glorious past where Pak players / PCB are kings and BD fans and board are groveling for test status... I think they will get a shock by end of 2030 when B'desh as a country would have left Pak behind on every economic indicator ( including sports as well)

Acha Bhai - thanks for this insight. Now read the title of this thread.
 
Bhai, thread padke hi bola hun.....

Acha nahi laga to maaf kar do

How is Foreign Minister suspecting India behind relates to the past of Pak cricket? You are trying to bring in past as well as future In terms of economy which is completely irrelevant. Question being asked and statements being made are pretty straightforward. If BD doesnt wanna tour they should make it clear along with valid reasons otherwise it just gives rise to suspicions.
 
You heard it first folks, BCCI is the Board that remembers.

I guess the other Boards suffer from memory loss.

Because may be they can afford to remember as most boards try to curry favours with them.

Not every cricket board wields the influence that Bcci has, so if someone tries to rub them the wrong way without any reason, they can very well afford to remember. Same with sponsors, bcci has so many of them, that they make sure those who are not on the same page go out of Indian cricket.
 
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