"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had" : Abdul Razzaq

[Saqs]

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Imran at his peak was a better bowler than Wasim at his peak.

Waqar at his peak was better than the both of them.

 

[Mamoon]

Quite agree. Waqar was never the same after his back injury.

Devastating bowler.

 

[Mobashir]

As a cricketer, Wasim> Sachin - That's a fact.

Bowlers are always greater match winners than batsmen in Test cricket. Half the matches, lot more man of the matches.

 

[Buffet]

However, his evolution as a batsman is what separates him from other ATGs.

Agreed with this to some extent but simply watching him bat in 90s, when we had the largest variety of ATG bowlers, does it for me personally.

 

[Noobosauras]

As a cricketer, Wasim> Sachin - That's a fact.

Bowlers are always greater match winners than batsmen in Test cricket. Half the matches, lot more man of the matches.

Even Wasim wont agree to that.

 

[zubair007]

Not sure what the fuss is all about. If someone feels to say a word about Tendulkar, why do Tendulkar fans find the need to counter that? Be content in knowing that Tendulkar was among the very best of all time, so if someone else is compared to him, there is a reason why. No need to be defensive about that too much. It's alright, he will forever remain among the very best ever, no matter what anyone says now.
Funnily, even after he has retired, he still seems to be able to somehow polarize opinions of not just fans, but also past and present cricketers. And there's absolutely nothing he himself has said to evoke that, except ofcourse play the way he did and mesmerize the audience the way he did.

 

[insaaniyat]

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Razzaq

Razzaq just may be right. Only time will tell. Just wonder what would have been the comment if Tendu in his early days was compared to Don Bradman? Chill out . I rate ponting, Dravid , Zaheer, Kallis and of course Inzimam better than Tendu


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[ali2220]

Pity. You wonder how much these players know about the game they played for over a decade or is it pure bias?

Even bias can't/shouldn't drop to this abhorrent level.

It is pure bias, just like your bias against Junaid, Fawad, Ajmal and any good Paksitani cricketer.

 

[Indiafan]

Not sure what the fuss is all about. If someone feels to say a word about Tendulkar, why do Tendulkar fans find the need to counter that? Be content in knowing that Tendulkar was among the very best of all time, so if someone else is compared to him, there is a reason why. No need to be defensive about that too much. It's alright, he will forever remain among the very best ever, no matter what anyone says now.
Funnily, even after he has retired, he still seems to be able to somehow polarize opinions of not just fans, but also past and present cricketers. And there's absolutely nothing he himself has said to evoke that, except ofcourse play the way he did and mesmerize the audience the way he did.

Have you read the thread? No one is countering Razzak, most are having a laugh.

 

[Farhan_sk]

Everybody is entitled to his opinion, Tendulkar may be the favorite player for 1 billion people, Lara could be the favorite player for 1 million and Dravid could be the most Favorite Batsman for few thousands including me. Does it raise any objection on the legacy of Legend Tendulkar ?? Definitely Not. He is one of the best but people need to understand everyone has his own Favorite.

 

[Hitman]

As a cricketer, Wasim> Sachin - That's a fact.

Bowlers are always greater match winners than batsmen in Test cricket. Half the matches, lot more man of the matches.

That's your opinion, not a fact. Lots of people think otherwise, case in point this list -

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=118417


Wasim is not even anywhere near Sachin here.

 

[amax]

That's your opinion, not a fact. Lots of people think otherwise, case in point this list -

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=118417


Wasim is not even anywhere near Sachin here.

what does that prove? this is a list and we dont know what is their criteria how much weight are they giving to batsmen, bowlers , all rounders, status in country etc.
look in relative terms there are 5 batsmen over tendulker even when is rated at 7,there are lot of batsmen hust around(below) tendu rankings while wasim is among only 3 specialist fast bowlers(Lillee, Marshal being others, 4 if you add all rounder Imran), many legendary specialist bowlers like Ambrose, Waqar , Donald are considered below All rounders like Botham and Kapil in this list who are not ATG in individual suits(there can be many subjective criteria for this preference nothing wrong with that). Such list proves nothing other than a cluster of great players(because of diff criteria used).

 

[Hitman]

what does that prove? this is a list and we dont know what is their criteria how much weight are they giving to batsmen, bowlers , all rounders, status in country etc.
look in relative terms there are 5 batsmen over tendulker even when is rated at 7,there are lot of batsmen hust around(below) tendu rankings while wasim is among only 3 specialist fast bowlers(Lillee, Marshal being others, 4 if you add all rounder Imran), many legendary specialist bowlers like Ambrose, Waqar , Donald are considered below All rounders like Botham and Kapil in this list who are not ATG in individual suits(there can be many subjective criteria for this preference nothing wrong with that). Such list proves nothing other than a cluster of great players(because of diff criteria used).

That proves that there are people who believe Sachin is a better cricketer than Wasim. That's what I wanted to say to the poster who said that it's a fact that Wasim was a better cricketer. It's all about opinions, different people have different opinions. Nothing is a fact here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Razzaq just may be right. Only time will tell. Just wonder what would have been the comment if Tendu in his early days was compared to Don Bradman? Chill out . I rate ponting, Dravid , Zaheer, Kallis and of course Inzimam better than Tendu


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Its your opinion.But Zaheer or Inzy are not even in the same planet where batsmanship was concerned.

 

[Hitman]

Its your opinion.But Zaheer or Inzy are not even in the same planet where batsmanship was concerned.

He can believe Younis Khan to be a better batsman than Sachin, except that no one cares and it means nothing to the cricketing world.

 

[amax]

That proves that there are people who believe Sachin is a better cricketer than Wasim. That's what I wanted to say to the poster who said that it's a fact that Wasim was a better cricketer. It's all about opinions, different people have different opinions. Nothing is a fact here.

fair enough but I think at times batsmen are given 'unjust' preference over bowlers(look at Marshall/Wasim rankings and just three specialist fast bowlers in Wasim, Lillee, Marshall) dont know the reason most probably 'conventional thinking'(batsmen's game) though can change in future.

 

[Hitman]

fair enough but I think at times batsmen are given 'unjust' preference over bowlers(look at Marshall/Wasim rankings and just three specialist fast bowlers in Wasim, Lillee, Marshall) dont know the reason most probably 'conventional thinking' though can change in future.

I'm not fond of comparing great players, I believe each great player brings a unique flair to the game. While Wasim brought the flair of swing, McGrath brought in his unique ability of accuracy. Saeed Anwar and Mark Waugh had the gift of timing, while someone like Ganguly had mental toughness that made him survive in international cricket (although neither one of them are great, they are good players). Each great player is unique in his own terms.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

what does that prove? this is a list and we dont know what is their criteria how much weight are they giving to batsmen, bowlers , all rounders, status in country etc.
look in relative terms there are 5 batsmen over tendulker even when is rated at 7,there are lot of batsmen hust around(below) tendu rankings while wasim is among only 3 specialist fast bowlers(Lillee, Marshal being others, 4 if you add all rounder Imran), many legendary specialist bowlers like Ambrose, Waqar , Donald are considered below All rounders like Botham and Kapil in this list who are not ATG in individual suits(there can be many subjective criteria for this preference nothing wrong with that). Such list proves nothing other than a cluster of great players(because of diff criteria used).

Proves that ex cricketers,experts believe sachin to be ahead of wasim.This was when Sachin had only finished half of his career.So you can imagine where he is rated now.

 

[Mamoon]

Inzamam better than Tendulkar? now this is seriously pushing it.

 

[Mamoon]

It is pure bias, just like your bias against Junaid, Fawad, Ajmal and any good Paksitani cricketer.

I don't have a bias against anyone. I disagree with the assessment that Junaid is a future great and I reckon Ajmal is a tad overrated in Test cricket but in ODIs and T20s, he is simply phenomenal.

We are going nowhere as an ODI unit with Fawad and Misbah in the middle order.

Simply not dynamic enough.

 

[ethan hunt]

Lol razzaq , to be fair to razzaq tendulkar did bat like a number 11 against his bowling , kept getting his stumps disturbed by popeye did tendulkar .

 

[Hitman]

Inzamam better than Tendulkar? now this is seriously pushing it.

HaHaHa .... )

 

[Kianig89]

What is the use of talent if you cannot be a world class batsman another poor statement by Razzaq

Tendulkar to me is one of the very best if not the best if along with Lara, Ponting a

Though Shehzad by Pakistani standards is a very good batsman

 

[insaaniyat]

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Its your opinion.But Zaheer or Inzy are not even in the same planet where batsmanship was concerned.

And that's your opinion


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[cricketjoshila]

And that's your opinion


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Shared by almost every expert on cricket.At the end of the day people listen to give importance to opinion of experts/legends of cricket and not anonymous posters like you and me.

Though i will be very interested if you could prove exactly how Inzamam or Zaheer Abbas were better than Tendulkar.

 

[sundar]

Lol razzaq , to be fair to razzaq tendulkar did bat like a number 11 against his bowling , kept getting his stumps disturbed by popeye did tendulkar .

tendulkar always used to struggle against average bowlers like razzak and hansie cronje .
maybe because he was complacent against them after concentrating hard against better bowlers.

 

[sundar]

razzak is seriously a mazzak. He should not be taken seriously as is the case with most other pakistani ex-players. They do not even know what they are speaking or maybe they are jealous nothing else.
razzak tu ban gaya hai mazzak
he should be called mazzak not razzak after this.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Okay i regard Inzimam as one of my favorite players and always thought he was a gun batsmen for Pakistan.

But better than Sachin? Please, it's almost the same insanity as saying Ahmed Shehzad is better than Tendulkar.

Inzimam averaged 31 against Australia in tests and 32 Against South Africa.

Compare that to Tendulkar who averaged 55 against Australia and 42 against South Africa.

Never averaged less than 40 against any team which proves that he never bottled it against any team majorly.

Let's look at One dayers.

Inzimam again found wanting against South Africa , Australia and new Zealand with averages of 30 against team.

Sachin's only blemish is a 35 against South Africa in ODI's but that he even beats Inzimam's 30 in ODI's against South Africa.


The blatant Pakistani bias is so obvious in the forum now.

I mean come on, at least compare batsmen who averaged +40s against the great Aussie team of the 90s and 2000s against Tendulkar.

Oh wait, we don't have any.

Our best match winners sucked when playing abroad.

Sachin Tendulkar piled the runs playing abroad.

Who is better ? Our best batsmen still.

What puerile logic.

 

[IndianWillow]

As a cricketer, Wasim> Sachin - That's a fact.

Bowlers are always greater match winners than batsmen in Test cricket. Half the matches, lot more man of the matches.

Then they should not be compared to batsmen.

As a cricketer, Harbhajan Singh > Javed Miandad. Agree or not? Bowlers are always greater match winners than batsmen in Test cricket, you know.

 

[Fahdi]

Okay i regard Inzimam as one of my favorite players and always thought he was a gun batsmen for Pakistan.

But better than Sachin? Please, it's almost the same insanity as saying Ahmed Shehzad is better than Tendulkar.

Inzimam averaged 31 against Australia in tests and 32 Against South Africa.

Compare that to Tendulkar who averaged 55 against Australia and 42 against South Africa.

Never averaged less than 40 against any team which proves that he never bottled it against any team majorly.

Let's look at One dayers.

Inzimam again found wanting against South Africa , Australia and new Zealand with averages of 30 against team.

Sachin's only blemish is a 35 against South Africa in ODI's but that he even beats Inzimam's 30 in ODI's against South Africa.


The blatant Pakistani bias is so obvious in the forum now.

I mean come on, at least compare batsmen who averaged +40s against the great Aussie team of the 90s and 2000s against Tendulkar.

Oh wait, we don't have any.

Our best match winners sucked when playing abroad.

Sachin Tendulkar piled the runs playing abroad.

Who is better ? Our best batsmen still.

What puerile logic.

Pakistan have not produced one batsman who is in the league of Sachin.

Tendulker belongs to the Gold category. Our best batsman Javed Miandad belongs to the silver category. The rest are bronze and lower.

 

[srh]

Talent wise Ahmed Shehzad is on par with Tendulkar.

Lets see if Ahmed Shehzad is willing to put extra effort to take his game to a new level what Tendulkar did.

 

[sundar]

Talent wise Ahmed Shehzad is on par with Tendulkar.

Lets see if Ahmed Shehzad is willing to put extra effort to take his game to a new level what Tendulkar did.

good joke

 

[srh]

good joke

I am serious. Talent wise they are both quite similar. 19-20 ka farq. Viv Richards was on a very high level talent wise than these two.

What makes Tendulkar better is the hard work which we have yet to see from Ahmed Shehzad.

 

[sundar]

I am serious. Talent wise they are both quite similar. 19-20 ka farq. Viv Richards was on a very high level talent wise than these two.

What makes Tendulkar better is the hard work which we have yet to see from Ahmed Shehzad.

you cannot measure talent.
talent is seen from performances which shehzad has not shown much so far.
so saying he has same talent as tendulkar is really childish.

 

[IndianWillow]

I am serious. Talent wise they are both quite similar. 19-20 ka farq. Viv Richards was on a very high level talent wise than these two.

What makes Tendulkar better is the hard work which we have yet to see from Ahmed Shehzad.

Tendu was a complete test batsman at the age of 16. Viv made the test team at the age of 22. Not sure what you are talking about. IMHO, Sachin did not achieve the highest perfection for his talent level.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am serious. Talent wise they are both quite similar. 19-20 ka farq. Viv Richards was on a very high level talent wise than these two.

What makes Tendulkar better is the hard work which we have yet to see from Ahmed Shehzad.

Lol you serious.

16 year old Tendulkar was facing IK/Wasim/Waqar and scored couple of half centuries in 1989 and smashed Qadir for sixes.At 17- 18 he was scoring centuries at Perth Sydney Old trafford etc.

Imran Khan/Wasim Akram/Qadir who all saw him in his debut test series said in interviews that there was something special about Tendulkar.

John Woodcock the famous Australian Journalist said that Tendulkar's innings at Perth was the best since Bradman.

He was already being marked for greatness by experts around the world before he passed 20.

Name one neutral expert who says Shehzad is anywhere near Tendulkar.

Shehzad isnt even fit to be mentioned in same breath as talented as Tendulkar.Not many are TBH.

 

[Mp812]

After Umar akmal VS Kohli threads looks like we will soon have Tendulkar Vs Shehzad thread...

 

[OZGOD]

Pakistan's former players definitely talk on TV a lot. More than any other country it seems like. They are being quoted pretty much every day.

 

[Haz95]

Look guys, simple as. Tendulkar was the perfect test batsman and was more or less technically faultless. He didn't have any fishing, nicking or whatever bs you call it problems and the only way to get him out was by miracles or him failing himself. The reason why people rate Lara or someone ahead of him is cause of personal bias or something. Tendulkar was complete in tests and sorry to say Ahmed still isn't. Ahmed can't rotate the strike which is a huge issue, something Tendu had no problem in doing in against the worlds best bowlers at the age of 16.
that said, personally rate Lara ahead of him lol

 

[OZGOD]

From Cricinfo

Name	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0		
Shezhad	3	6	0	273	147	45.50	1	1	0	
Tendy	200	329	33	15921	248*	53.78	51	68	14

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

This is an absolutely ludicrous statement from Abdul Razzaq.

Perhaps if he had chosen to declare that he believed Ahmed Shehzad's ability to score runs was comparable to Tendulkar, then people may have considered his statement to be a plausible one.

But definitely not the largely overused term, talent. This is because despite the claims by even some in this thread that Ahmed Shehzad's stroke-play is compatible to Tendulkar's (comments which don't even appear to be under the jest of sarcasm), Shehzad's talent is nowhere near the level that Tendulkar had at the beginning of his career and maintained throughout his career.

Scoring half-centuries against a combination of Imran Khan, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis in your debut series at the age of 16 in 1989 (against a team which is renowned to have pressure-submerged matches with India) and then a 100 at Perth at the age of 18 in 1992 (the fastest pitch at the time - and a ground at which the majority of sub-continental batsmen traditionally fail) is no mean feat. Considering his height of 5' 5", the fact that he managed to attain such respect from opposition bowlers and batted with such elegant disdain at times can probably be regarded as a paradox.

Yet, we hear Abdul Razzaq comparing Shehzad to Tendulkar. And what possible basis? An ODI century against a relatively weak South African bowling attack in South Africa? Not to trod upon Shehzad's commendable development and performances but is it really enough to warrant comparisons with Tendulkar, particularly when there exists such a colossal disparity between the two batsmen's stroke-play/strike rotation in terms of aesthetics and ease?

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Right, I've just finished reading through this whole thread (something which I haven't done in a lengthy amount of time now) and I picked up upon some of the more interesting points.

It seems like in Pakistan the defence of having talent is justification for not actually producing the goods.

Great observation. To be honest, I totally agree with you.

What I've noticed from PP is that Pakistanis tend to consider having talent as much better qualities than hard work/ethic (regardless of how poor the performance of the talented player in question are compared to the grafter) - which is rather absurd when one takes in the consideration that many of these same posters are the ones who regard Rahul Dravid as a better player than Sachin Tendulkar.

Either they suffer from an inferiority complex of not being able to produce a single Pakistan batsman who can truly compare with Tendulkar, or they are complete hypocrites.

When you cannot defend with quantifiable things than say something unquantifiable. No one can argue on that.

Its like a battle losing side claiming to be more brave.

Brilliant point - particularly the analogy.

A lot of posters appear not to be able to separate between such subjective criteria (which is still debatable, even with statistics to an extent) and completely unquantifiable data.

This notion of supposed talent is solely utilised when a player has incomparable statistics/performances to a performing batsmen; the reasons possibly being the inability to admit the inferiority of a Pakistani batsman compared to an Indian batsman.

Not really, it will runs its course and get lost in oblivion.

I doubt it - threads like these always seem to become repeatedly bumped.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Tendulkar was the greatest Indian flat track bully. Thats it. His last 2 years were an utter embarrassment. He also could not handle any pressure and choked far too often when the pressure got too much.

Perhaps one of the most excruciatingly cringe-worthy affirmations I've ever heard.

If you are possibly going to argue against Inzamam-Ul-Haq being an FTB, refrain from posting such comments which only hint at abhorrent standards of bias. Tendulkar doesn't average less than 40 in ANY country or against ANY country - and that is a brute fact.

To be frank, I didn't expect this coming from a poster who generally produces comments of a high calibre.

Well Kohli will surely break his ODI runs and hundreds record that is why I named him. But I still won't consider him as good.

Even if he did, would you actually rate him better than Tendulkar in terms of ODIs?

I know I definitely wouldn't because of the simple reason of the denigration of the significance of runs in light of the mediocrity of bowling attacks and the flat pitches of recent years.

IMO, if Tendulkar retired after 100 matches, he would be held to much higher regards.

Well, that is a debatable point.

In my opinion, one of the strongest cases regarding Tendulkar's standing amongst the elite of the players is his somewhat unparalleled incredibly consistent performances over an extremely lengthy period of time (i.e his longevity).

At the very least, he shouldn't have played after WC 2011.

Again, this is debatable.

Which sub-continent player has ever planned a graceful retirement after performing well in a World Cup? Actually, scratch that.

Which famous player in the last 30 years, whether sub-continental or non-subcontinental, has retired after performing in a World Cup? From what I can recall, none.

Therefore, why do you believe Tendulkar should have had any obligation to make any plans to retire from international cricket after the 2011 World Cup, considering he scored two centuries and two half-centuries with a batting average of 53.55 (and a strike-rate of 90+) in 9 games in the tournament?

It is only natural for a player to feel that he is still able to perform in international cricket whenever he scores/takes wickets after a slump in form - retiring gracefully after performing well in a World Cup is extremely rare.

Perhaps the same could be said of Wasim Akram, who didn't perform well after the 1999 World Cup, but I doubt anybody would have advocated his retirement after performing so proficiently in the tournament - especially in terms of swinging both the new and the old ball. And no-one could have predicted how harmless he was going to become after that World Cup - I'm sure anyone who did was most likely mocked by his peers.

 

[zubair007]

Have you read the thread? No one is countering Razzak, most are having a laugh.

LOL, which thread have you been following? This thread is full of supporters defending Tendulkar against things that even his critics don't themselves believe and are only putting that out to rile Tendulkar supporters.

And tell you what: the supporters have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker!

 

[sundar]

It's an opinon, deal with it.

Tendulkar was the greatest Indian flat track bully. Thats it. His last 2 years were an utter embarrassment. He also could not handle any pressure and choked far too often when the pressure got too much.

tendulkar and FTB? haha you are a joke of a person. You are an prime example of typical jealous pakistani. I may say all so called great pakistani bowlers were cheaters who used to tamper with the ball to get wickets and that too self certified cheats.

 

[Indiafan]

LOL, which thread have you been following? This thread is full of supporters defending Tendulkar against things that even his critics don't themselves believe and are only putting that out to rile Tendulkar supporters.

And tell you what: the supporters have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker!

No one is replying to Razzak's direct comments is what I said. And as for some people deliberately saying something about Sachin and others replying, that is part of the game. Both sides do that on purpose

 

[Indiafan]

From Cricinfo

Name	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0		
Shezhad	3	6	0	273	147	45.50	1	1	0	
Tendy	200	329	33	15921	248*	53.78	51	68	14

Almost there then. Also pretty sure he averages more than Sachin did after 3 tests

 

[ali2220]

tendulkar and FTB? haha you are a joke of a person. You are an prime example of typical jealous pakistani. I may say all so called great pakistani bowlers were cheaters who used to tamper with the ball to get wickets and that too self certified cheats.

And a match refree called your God tendulkar a ball tamperer cheat!

Calling someone FTB is not such an insult but calling all great cricketers of a country cheats is an insult.Now being an Indian it might be difficult for you, but on Pakpassion you need to behave.

 

[sundar]

And a match refree called your God tendulkar a ball tamperer cheat!

Calling someone FTB is not such an insult but calling all great cricketers of a country cheats is an insult.Now being an Indian it might be difficult for you, but on Pakpassion you need to behave.

first of all I'm not a big fan of tendulkar so i do not consider him god and secondly calling someone a cheat once does not make him a cheat. Everyone knows tendulkar had a very clean career without any controversies as opposed to your great cricketers who even openly admitted that they used to tamper with balls.

 

[Hitman]

And a match refree called your God tendulkar a ball tamperer cheat!

Calling someone FTB is not such an insult but calling all great cricketers of a country cheats is an insult.Now being an Indian it might be difficult for you, but on Pakpassion you need to behave.

) What about your Imran, Wasim, Waqar (caught twice), Afridi and Shoaib? I'm pretty sure Sachin didn't score any of his runs by tampering with the ball. That's an art used by bowlers to take/steal wickets illegally

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rowing-light-on-a-touchy-subject-1434755.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cr...ra-ball-tampering-row-sours-Englands-win.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/4757911/Waqar-suspended-for-ball-tampering.html

 

[Saqs]

I'm pretty sure your "clean legends" such as Dravid and Tendulkar never tampered with the ball either.

 

[sundar]

I'm pretty sure your "clean legends" such as Dravid and Tendulkar never tampered with the ball either.

yes right NEVER

 

[IndianWillow]

Tendulkar FTB - Now I have heard everything.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm pretty sure your "clean legends" such as Dravid and Tendulkar never tampered with the ball either.

Tendulkar was cleared of all tampering charges by ICC.

 

[Saqs]

OK, just as Harbajhan was cleared of racism by the ICC.

We all know everybody does it.

Get off your high horses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

OK, just as Harbajhan was cleared of racism by the ICC.

We all know everybody does it.

Get off your high horses.

As was Inzy and team cleared by ICC tribunal isnt it?

Btw Harbhajan was cleared by a very senior judge from NZ.

 

[Mamoon]

As was Inzy and team cleared by ICC tribunal isnt it?

Btw Harbhajan was cleared by a very senior judge from NZ.

Harbhajan is a world renowned tool alongside being a rubbish spinner so I won't take your word or some senior Kiwi Judge.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Harbhajan is a world renowned tool alongside being a rubbish spinner so I won't take your word or some senior Kiwi Judge.

So he is a tool so you can accuse him of anything.Right?It doesnt work that way.The accusers were Ponting and co. who are saints,isnt it?


Rubbish spinners dont take 400 test wickets.And lets put it this was his stats in test matches are better than Abdul Qadir.

 

[Mamoon]

So he is a tool so you can accuse him of anything.Right?It doesnt work that way.The accusers were Ponting and co. who are saints,isnt it?


Rubbish spinners dont take 400 test wickets.And lets put it this was his stats in test matches are better than Abdul Qadir.

)

Just because he was accused by tools doesn't mean he is a good position to be argued for.

Number of wickets don't overpower quality of bowling.

Danish Kaneria has a truckload of wickets too and would have had a lot more if it wasn't for Kamran but it doesn't make him an excellent bowler.

 

[srh]

Look talent wise Tendulkar is not really a huge ceiling. Vinod Kambli had more talent than Tendulkar. Rohit Sharma has more talent than Tendulkar. Same with Lara, Ponting etc. So talent wise if Ahmed Shehzad is on par with Tendulkar then its not an absurd statement.

What makes Tendulkar better than most others is hard work.
Less Talent + Great Hard Work >>> More Talent + Less Hard Work.

Ahmed Shehzad has to do a lot of great hard work and for a lot of years continuously to be able to think about matching with Tendulkar.

 

[Mamoon]

Look talent wise Tendulkar is not really a huge ceiling. Vinod Kambli had more talent than Tendulkar. Rohit Sharma has more talent than Tendulkar. Same with Lara, Ponting etc. So talent wise if Ahmed Shehzad is on par with Tendulkar then its not an absurd statement.

What makes Tendulkar better than most others is hard work.
Less Talent + Great Hard Work >>> More Talent + Less Hard Work.

Ahmed Shehzad has to do a lot of great hard work and for a lot of years continuously to be able to think about matching with Tendulkar.

Yes, clearly not a huge ceiling.

Since a lot of batsmen can whack 2 Tests hundreds in Australia, 1 England and 1 in South Africa before turning 20 including one at Perth where the Indians were bounced out and next highest score was 43.

Also take an ATG like Hadlee to the cleaners at the age of 16.



The idea that Tendulkar wasn't outrageously talented and was a product of sheer hard-work is the biggest myth in cricket.

No amount of hard work can prepare a teenager to do things that he did in his time but with hard work, he simply fulfilled his tremendous potential.

 

[Indiafan]

Look talent wise Tendulkar is not really a huge ceiling. Vinod Kambli had more talent than Tendulkar. Rohit Sharma has more talent than Tendulkar. Same with Lara, Ponting etc. So talent wise if Ahmed Shehzad is on par with Tendulkar then its not an absurd statement.

What makes Tendulkar better than most others is hard work.
Less Talent + Great Hard Work >>> More Talent + Less Hard Work.

Ahmed Shehzad has to do a lot of great hard work and for a lot of years continuously to be able to think about matching with Tendulkar.

Now I have seen it all. A 19 year old taking on Qadir and battling against Waqar. Earning Donald's praise at 19 by scoring against hiim. Scoring a 100 at 19 years of age at Perth

And none of these were boring defensive innings, he was smashing the ball to all parts of the park

But yes, not a huge ceiling at all. It's clear you are only remembering Sachin post his injury and not the natural force of nature he was, with every shot in the book on the most difficult of pitches. And he didn't do any of that my grinding, he was very agressive

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

The idea that Tendulkar wasn't outrageously talented and was a product of sheer hard-work is the biggest myth in cricket.

True; it is a ridiculously absurd statement which appears to be ever-increasing in popularity nowadays.

Sachin's commendable work ethic and the fact that he put in a great amount of hard work to fulfill his tremendous potential is what may separate him from other amazingly talented batsmen, but it doesn't intrinsically mean that he was at all devoid of any talent.

Quite an antithesis to be honest.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Umar Akmal also slogged Shane Bond out of the park in his first ever test against New Zealand in New Zealand.

Not comparing. Just saying.

By that definition, Umar is also very talented.

 

[as-95]

We all know Harbajhan is And was a very mediocre bowler. And yes, I also believe he is a racist and quite a bigoted person off the field.

 

[Mamoon]

Umar Akmal also slogged Shane Bond out of the park in his first ever test against New Zealand in New Zealand.

Not comparing. Just saying.

By that definition, Umar is also very talented.

Umar Akmal slogged. Tendulkar played proper cricket shots.

That is the difference.

 

[Mamoon]

True; it is a ridiculously absurd statement which appears to be ever-increasing in popularity nowadays.

Sachin's commendable work ethic and the fact that he put in a great amount of hard work to fulfill his tremendous potential is what may separate him from other amazingly talented batsmen, but it doesn't intrinsically mean that he was at all devoid of any talent.

Quite an antithesis to be honest.

Its natural to consider any non flashy athlete to be untalented.

Tendulkar was a flamboyant batsman but mellowed down when injury took its toll on him so most people haven't witnesses Tendulkar at his best. They saw an accumulator.

 

[mithun_minhas]

Nothing wrong in fans believing that their fav player is better than some legends of the game

Even irfan Pathan was compared to Wasim when he made his debut.

Shehzad is very yooung. Lots of time for him to improve. He is definitely talented. It tkes a lot morethan just talent to do what Tendu did.

 

[Sherlock]

Users whom bumped this thread after today don't know nowt.

I hope he stops playing T20 Cricket and concentrates on the other formats.

T20 has a tendency to ruin one's technique and body shape as we've seen with numerous of our players.

Let him settle in the ODI and Tests squads first.

 

[proud_pakistani]

If Ahmed Shehzad can achieve even half of what Sachin has achieved it will be amazing. Ahmed in his own right is a good batsmen but even in early days of his career Sachin was miles ahead. Sachins stance, the execution of his cut shots, the finesse in his drives, he had it all and you could tell that from the very beginning. Ofcourse he kept on enhancing his game as well. Ahmed is a guy who plays within himself, knows his strengths and weaknesses and seems to have hunger which is the only thing I can find similar between him and Sachin. Razzaq is over his head to suggest this and it just puts unnecessary pressure on a developing batsman.

 

[Sandeep]

Umar Akmal also slogged Shane Bond out of the park in his first ever test against New Zealand in New Zealand.

Not comparing. Just saying.

By that definition, Umar is also very talented.

Look at 19 year old Sachin's back foot drives in Perth. Those were not slogs mate. Umar Akmal is certainly talented but is in a different league, why don't people understand??

 

[Haripotter]

:ahmed has more runs in T20 than

 

[Fahdi]

Can someone explain to me why this thread is still going? Razzaq made an idiotic statement, every sane person agreed that he was smoking some good stuff. Thats the end of it.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Hmmm...so nobody has yet been able to answer which player of real significance retired after performing favourably in World Cup?

It only further proves my point that it is ludicrous to suggest Tendulkar should have felt some form of obligation after performing well in the 2011 World Cup.

 

[Saqs]

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Hmmm...so nobody has yet been able to answer which player of real significance retired after performing favourably in World Cup?

It only further proves my point that it is ludicrous to suggest Tendulkar should have felt some form of obligation after performing well in the 2011 World Cup.

Imran.

 

[Supporter of Pak legends]

Imran.

I knew someone would walk into the trap I set.

Contrary to popular opinion, the great Imran Khan's intentions were never to retire after the victory in the 1992 World Cup final.

In fact, he had always hoped to lead the Pakistan Test team during their famous 1992 tour to England - but didn't do so after the refusal of the whole Pakistani team to use their World Cup winnings to fund his cancer hospital.

Mushtaq Ahmed has stressed as much - I'll try to find the article from his autobiography and post it within this thread.

 

[Indiafan]

Umar Akmal also slogged Shane Bond out of the park in his first ever test against New Zealand in New Zealand.

Not comparing. Just saying.

By that definition, Umar is also very talented.

Difference between slogging and attacking cricket is that the later can be repeated consistently, across an innings or across a career, while the former has a very high failure rate

 

[ali2220]

) What about your Imran, Wasim, Waqar (caught twice), Afridi and Shoaib? I'm pretty sure Sachin didn't score any of his runs by tampering with the ball. That's an art used by bowlers to take/steal wickets illegally

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rowing-light-on-a-touchy-subject-1434755.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cr...ra-ball-tampering-row-sours-Englands-win.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/4757911/Waqar-suspended-for-ball-tampering.html

When was Waseem caught? and batters can tamper ball to help bowler get reverse swing, otherwise what was Afridi trying to do by tampering, score runs..LOL Dravid was caught and punished for ball tampering, are you sure he was trying to tamper to score more runs?

 

[ali2220]

first of all I'm not a big fan of tendulkar so i do not consider him god and secondly calling someone a cheat once does not make him a cheat. Everyone knows tendulkar had a very clean career without any controversies as opposed to your great cricketers who even openly admitted that they used to tamper with balls.

Didn't you say that all Pak greats were cheats? calling someone cheat does not make them a cheat, especially when the caller isn't even a match refree but a certified troll.

 

[Mamoon]

Imran.

Imran was finished as a cricketer by then. Tendulkar was still one of the best batsman in the world in 2010-2011.