"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had" : Abdul Razzaq

vandokkum · Mar 19, 2014

Even Shehzad's mother in law wouldn't put him in the same league as Tendy

ali2220 · Mar 19, 2014

Mamoon said:
Imran was finished as a cricketer by then. Tendulkar was still one of the best batsman in the world in 2010-2011.

Finished as a bowler, was a top batsman when he retired, too bad you can't see that!

Mamoon · Mar 19, 2014

ali2220 said:
Finished as a bowler, was a top batsman when he retired, too bad you can't see that!

Imran finished as a bowler = finished as a cricketer.

He wasn't going to make enough contributions with the bat post 1992 World Cup to warrant a place in the team.

You simply cannot compare the Tendulkar of 2011 with Imran of 1992.

Imran extended his career past his expiry date but he didn't do a Miandad who God knows why hung around till 1996.

ali2220 · Mar 19, 2014

Mamoon said:
Imran finished as a bowler = finished as a cricketer.

He wasn't going to make enough contributions with the bat post 1992 World Cup to warrant a place in the team.

You simply cannot compare the Tendulkar of 2011 with Imran of 1992.

Imran extended his career past his expiry date but he didn't do a Miandad who God knows why hung around till 1996.

Imran was a top quality batsmen when he retired, to say that he couldn't have played in Pak team as a batman is a joke.Also, no fast bowler can perform when he is in 40's, comparing a 40 old fast bowler to a 40 old batter is plain stupid.

And why bring Miandad here, how many Pak cricketer are you going to bash?

srh · Mar 19, 2014

ali2220 said:
Imran was a top quality batsmen when he retired, to say that he couldn't have played in Pak team as a batman is a joke.Also, no fast bowler can perform when he is in 40's, comparing a 40 old fast bowler to a 40 old batter is plain stupid.

And why bring Miandad here, how many Pak cricketer are you going to bash?

and he still pretend to be a Pakistani :))

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Energetic · Mar 19, 2014

What a joke! comparing anyone to Sachin. Pretty much an insult comparing a guy who has a poor attitude to someone as humble like Sachin. Shehzad is promising but nothing special.

Mamoon · Mar 19, 2014

ali2220 said:
Imran was a top quality batsmen when he retired, to say that he couldn't have played in Pak team as a batman is a joke.Also, no fast bowler can perform when he is in 40's, comparing a 40 old fast bowler to a 40 old batter is plain stupid.

And why bring Miandad here, how many Pak cricketer are you going to bash?

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Imran was never a top quality batsman.

His 50 or so average in last few Tests flatters him.

He at most was a 35 averaging batsman in Tests and 32 averaging batsmen in ODIs.

I brought Miandad up to indicate the worst case scenario.

Mamoon · Mar 19, 2014

"Top quality" Imran scored just one fifty in his last year in ODIs at 32.

Forget the averages, they often don't do justice.

Imran didn't have the technique or poise to be considered a "top quality batsman".

ali2220 · Mar 19, 2014

Mamoon said:
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Imran was never a top quality batsman.

His 50 or so average in last few Tests flatters him.

He at most was a 35 averaging batsman in Tests and 32 averaging batsmen in ODIs.

I brought Miandad up to indicate the worst case scenario.

Imran used to play for Pakistan and not for your team India, for Pak he was our top batter along with Miandad in those days, there wasn't a batter to replace Imran in those days.Why do some Indians have problem with each and every Pak cricketer?

Mamoon · Mar 19, 2014

ali2220 said:
Imran used to play for Pakistan and not for your team India, for Pak he was our top batter along with Miandad in those days, there wasn't a batter to replace Imran in those days.Why do some Indians have problem with each and every Pak cricketer?

A team in which Imran gets to play in the top order must be highly incompetent and persisting with him post 92 when he was past it would have had a negative effect on the team.

ali2220 · Mar 19, 2014

srh said:
and he still pretend to be a Pakistani )

So he can easily bash Pak cricketers, it is obvious who this guy really is.Anyone remembers the famous Indian imposter "pakroyale"?

BDfanforever · Mar 19, 2014

Maybe he meant to say Ahmed Sehzad has more talent than Mohammad Shahzad(AFG)?

ali2220 · Mar 19, 2014

Mamoon said:
A team in which Imran gets to play in the top order must be highly incompetent and persisting with him post 92 when he was past it would have had a negative effect on the team.

Whatever, was still better than your Indian team of those days.

vandokkum · Mar 19, 2014

david warner's test strike rate (73) is better than shehzad's odi strike rate (71) ...

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Mamoon said:
"Top quality" Imran scored just one fifty in his last year in ODIs at 32.

Forget the averages, they often don't do justice.

Imran didn't have the technique or poise to be considered a "top quality batsman".

So a guy averaging 60 as a batsman in his last 5 years in Test Cricket wasn't a top quality Batsman. Okay then then you wonder why people claim you're not Pakistani

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Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Mamoon said:
Imran finished as a bowler = finished as a cricketer.

He wasn't going to make enough contributions with the bat post 1992 World Cup to warrant a place in the team.

You simply cannot compare the Tendulkar of 2011 with Imran of 1992.

Imran extended his career past his expiry date but he didn't do a Miandad who God knows why hung around till 1996.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround Not bad for a guy who was finished as a Cricketer.

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Buffet · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround Not bad for a guy who was finished as a Cricketer.

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Why will you take accumulative performance from 1987 to show if IK was finished or not in 1992 ? SRT's last 4-5 years record won't tell you how good or bad he was in his last 1-2 years. SRT average was actually 50+ if you take his last 4 years and he made 3K+ runs in that period. It doesn't show how bad he was in his last 1-2 years.

IK didn't bowl in 91/92 in 3 tests he played. In the same period he bowled in 21 ODIs and averaged 42.40 and took less than 1 wicket in each match. Clearly, the great bowling all rounder was finished as a bowler by then.

Question is how much weight you give to his 450 runs in 21 ODIs and 115 runs in 3 tests? I personally will count him finished because I won't play IK for his batting in any decent batting line up. Nothing to do with stats, I did see him bat in in those last 1-2 years. Anyway, at 40 years of age, most cricketers are finished.

Sandeep · Mar 20, 2014

Buffet said:
Why will you take accumulative performance from 1987 to show if IK was finished or not in 1992 ? SRT's last 4-5 years record won't tell you how good or bad he was in his last 1-2 years. SRT average was actually 50+ if you take his last 4 years and he made 3K+ runs in that period. It doesn't show how bad he was in his last 1-2 years.

IK didn't bowl in 91/92 in 3 tests he played. In the same period he bowled in 21 ODIs and averaged 42.40 and took less than 1 wicket in each match. Clearly, the great bowling all rounder was finished as a bowler by then.

Question is how much weight you give to his 450 runs in 21 ODIs and 115 runs in 3 tests? I personally will count him finished because I won't play IK for his batting in any decent batting line up. Nothing to do with stats, I did see him bat in in those last 1-2 years. Anyway, at 40 years of age, most cricketers are finished.

Wow! Never knew this.. The legendary status of players clouds our eyes and we fail to see these obvious things

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Buffet said:
Why will you take accumulative performance from 1987 to show if IK was finished or not in 1992 ? SRT's last 4-5 years record won't tell you how good or bad he was in his last 1-2 years. SRT average was actually 50+ if you take his last 4 years and he made 3K+ runs in that period. It doesn't show how bad he was in his last 1-2 years.

IK didn't bowl in 91/92 in 3 tests he played. In the same period he bowled in 21 ODIs and averaged 42.40 and took less than 1 wicket in each match. Clearly, the great bowling all rounder was finished as a bowler by then.

Question is how much weight you give to his 450 runs in 21 ODIs and 115 runs in 3 tests? I personally will count him finished because I won't play IK for his batting in any decent batting line up. Nothing to do with stats, I did see him bat in in those last 1-2 years. Anyway, at 40 years of age, most cricketers are finished.

I don't have to add anything after this.

amax · Mar 20, 2014

Buffet said:
Why will you take accumulative performance from 1987 to show if IK was finished or not in 1992 ? SRT's last 4-5 years record won't tell you how good or bad he was in his last 1-2 years. SRT average was actually 50+ if you take his last 4 years and he made 3K+ runs in that period. It doesn't show how bad he was in his last 1-2 years.

IK didn't bowl in 91/92 in 3 tests he played. In the same period he bowled in 21 ODIs and averaged 42.40 and took less than 1 wicket in each match. Clearly, the great bowling all rounder was finished as a bowler by then.

Question is how much weight you give to his 450 runs in 21 ODIs and 115 runs in 3 tests? I personally will count him finished because I won't play IK for his batting in any decent batting line up. Nothing to do with stats, I did see him bat in in those last 1-2 years. Anyway, at 40 years of age, most cricketers are finished.

These are bowling ranking from late 1991, it looks like it would have been quite difficult to drop this "finished" cricketer

http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/datespecific/test/?stattype=bowling&day=20&month=10&year=1991

and to give some context to debate sachin was languishing around 20th in last 2 years.

https://www.relianceiccrankings.com/playerdisplay/test/batting/?id=1905&graph=ranking

Fahdi · Mar 20, 2014

Buffet said:
Why will you take accumulative performance from 1987 to show if IK was finished or not in 1992 ? SRT's last 4-5 years record won't tell you how good or bad he was in his last 1-2 years. SRT average was actually 50+ if you take his last 4 years and he made 3K+ runs in that period. It doesn't show how bad he was in his last 1-2 years.

IK didn't bowl in 91/92 in 3 tests he played. In the same period he bowled in 21 ODIs and averaged 42.40 and took less than 1 wicket in each match. Clearly, the great bowling all rounder was finished as a bowler by then.

Question is how much weight you give to his 450 runs in 21 ODIs and 115 runs in 3 tests? I personally will count him finished because I won't play IK for his batting in any decent batting line up. Nothing to do with stats, I did see him bat in in those last 1-2 years. Anyway, at 40 years of age, most cricketers are finished.

What else would you expect. He was a bowling allrounder who could not bowl.he was too old. Imran Khan was the greatest Allrounder ever imo but he was a bowling allrounder lets not forget.

Dr_Bassim · Mar 20, 2014

Imran Khan was a top all rounder.

But why can't we accept he was 40 and his time was over by then?

I mean there is no cricketer in the world I like more than Imran and that's an honest fact.

But all good things come to an end.

That doesn't denigrate his achievements or his ability as a top all rounder in the world.

So why are most Pakistanis getting furious at people saying Imran was finished at 1992? He was probably finished after a glorious career spanning a peak of averaging 17 in bowling and 42 in batting and one of the greatest cricketers of all time.

Saying Tendulkar was finished and Imran was finished has no impact on their greatness.

Learn to accept the difference.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Buffet said:
Why will you take accumulative performance from 1987 to show if IK was finished or not in 1992 ? SRT's last 4-5 years record won't tell you how good or bad he was in his last 1-2 years. SRT average was actually 50+ if you take his last 4 years and he made 3K+ runs in that period. It doesn't show how bad he was in his last 1-2 years.

IK didn't bowl in 91/92 in 3 tests he played. In the same period he bowled in 21 ODIs and averaged 42.40 and took less than 1 wicket in each match. Clearly, the great bowling all rounder was finished as a bowler by then.

Question is how much weight you give to his 450 runs in 21 ODIs and 115 runs in 3 tests? I personally will count him finished because I won't play IK for his batting in any decent batting line up. Nothing to do with stats, I did see him bat in in those last 1-2 years. Anyway, at 40 years of age, most cricketers are finished.

I knew he was finished as a bowler by then but Mamoon was saying he wasn't good enough to get into the team purely as a batsman even in his last 2 years IK averaged 60 as a batsman in Tests. His bowling was finished after he broke his shin after that he was never the same bowler.

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
I knew he was finished as a bowler by then but Mamoon was saying he wasn't good enough to get into the team purely as a batsman even in his last 2 years IK averaged 60 as a batsman in Tests. His bowling was finished after he broke his shin after that he was never the same bowler.

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Even if he wouldn't have broken his shin, he was finished.

How many successful 40 year old pacers do you see?

Imran had one 50 in his 1 year of ODI cricket. He was clearly past it.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
Even if he wouldn't have broken his shin, he was finished.

How many successful 40 year old pacers do you see?

Imran had one 50 in his 1 year of ODI cricket. He was clearly past it.

In ODIS he was finished but in tests he could have carried on purely as a batsman but retiring after the WC 1992 win was a fitting moment for his great career.

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Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
Even if he wouldn't have broken his shin, he was finished.

How many successful 40 year old pacers do you see?

Imran had one 50 in his 1 year of ODI cricket. He was clearly past it.

His bowling average would've gone higher and higher he was finished as a bowler I agree with that .

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

He should have retired from ODIs before 92, but we needed his leadership at the World Cup.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
Even if he wouldn't have broken his shin, he was finished.

How many successful 40 year old pacers do you see?

Imran had one 50 in his 1 year of ODI cricket. He was clearly past it.

Oddly enough his best ten years in cricket were from the 80s from 28 to the age of 38 :Misbah

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

We didn't need him as a player in 92, just his brain.

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Its the worst kept secret in cricket that Imran was a late bloomer. But blooming late doesn't mean you will have a longer shelf life than others.

Misbah is a batsman so he can play for some time more.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
We didn't need him as a player in 92, just his brain.

Yeah if it wasn't for him Wasim would never have bowled those 2 magical balls Wasim himself said he was struggling in the WC earlier on but IK just told him run up and bowl fast don't worry about line and length and the rest as they say is History.

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
Yeah if it wasn't for him Wasim would never have bowled those 2 magical balls Wasim himself said he was struggling in the WC earlier on but IK just told him run up and bowl fast don't worry about line and length and the rest as they say is History.

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Imran also came in Allama Iqbal's dream and told him about Pakistan but sadly Allama Iqbal took all the credit for himself.

Dr_Bassim · Mar 20, 2014

So the thread started with Razzaq .. saying something random...

Turned into a Tendulkar loving thread...

Comparisons with Imran were made...

Went into an Imran approbation thread....

What was the original saying again? " Ahmed Shehzad is more talented than Tendulkar"

How does Imran come into this thread?

srh · Mar 20, 2014

Mamoon said:
Imran also came in Allama Iqbal's dream and told him about Pakistan but sadly Allama Iqbal took all the credit for himself.

can you say Pakistan Zindabad?

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
Imran also came in Allama Iqbal's dream and told him about Pakistan but sadly Allama Iqbal took all the credit for himself.

It's in a sky sports documentary called pioneers of cricket about Imran Wasim and Waqar it's on YouTube where Wasim says this I'm not making it up.

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

srh said:
can you say Pakistan Zindabad?

Pakistan Zindabad.

I love Pakistan. Its my country.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
Imran also came in Allama Iqbal's dream and told him about Pakistan but sadly Allama Iqbal took all the credit for himself.

See stuff like this over zealous criticism of IK is why people doubt your nationality.

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Imran and Misbah are polar opposites.

Every good and positive thing that has happened to Pakistan cricket is because of Imran.

Every bad and negative thing that has happened to Pakistan cricket is because of Misbah.

Imran has become a mythological superhero for us. 22 years on, we are still living in his shadow even though he himself has moved on and couldn't care less about cricket.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
Pakistan Zindabad.

I love Pakistan. Its my country.

http://youtu.be/DvXlb_ak35Y

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Yes, people doubting my nationality over the internet is going to destroy my life :shakib

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Razzaq

http://youtu.be/849Dns-ezqM

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

If Wasim and Waqar owe everything to Imran, why couldn't Imran transform Aaqib Javed into a world class bowler with a swish of his wand? :dumbledore

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

There is no denying that Imran changed the landscape of Pakistan cricket and helped groom sensational pacers but the idea that they were mediocre and average to begin with and Imran's magic made them world class couldn't be further from the truth.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
There is no denying that Imran changed the landscape of Pakistan cricket and helped groom sensational pacers but the idea that they were mediocre and average to begin with and Imran's magic made them world class couldn't be further from the truth.

No they always had the natural talent to become Great bowlers but a lot of players have had that talent but haven't fulfilled it e.g kambli if they had say someone like Moyo as a captain would they have honestly fulfilled their tremendous potential.

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Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
If Wasim and Waqar owe everything to Imran, why couldn't Imran transform Aaqib Javed into a world class bowler with a swish of his wand? :dumbledore

They don't owe everything but he taught them the art of fast bowling and they mastered it because of the immense talent they had obviously aqib Javed didn't possess their talent the two Ws had.

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
No they always had the natural talent to become Great bowlers but a lot of players have had that talent but haven't fulfilled it e.g kambli if they had say someone like Moyo as a captain would they have honestly fulfilled their tremendous potential.

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Adil_94 said:
They don't owe everything but he taught them the art of fast bowling and they mastered it because of the immense talent they had obviously aqib Javed didn't possess their talent the two Ws had.

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Then stop giving over the top credit to Imran. Wasim and Waqar were going to suceed anyway because they were that good.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

"I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul...

Mamoon said:
Then stop giving over the top credit to Imran. Wasim and Waqar were going to suceed anyway because they were that good.

It's too easy to say that IMO they needed the initial training by Imran after that everything was of their own doing. Imran was the one that plucked them out of obscurity and put them into the Pakistan team without very little first class experience.

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07sanjeewakaru · Mar 20, 2014

No......!

Saqs · Mar 20, 2014

Mamoon said:
Imran also came in Allama Iqbal's dream and told him about Pakistan but sadly Allama Iqbal took all the credit for himself.

This made me chuckle. Violently.

srh · Mar 20, 2014

Mamoon said:
Pakistan Zindabad.

I love Pakistan. Its my country.

Try to say it more often. Once per day is good.

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Saqs said:
This made me chuckle. Violently.

I must admit I've made some corny posts in this thread but I couldn't tolerate seeing Imran taking credit for Wasim producing the two most iconic deliveries in our ODI history.

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

srh said:
Try to say it more often. Once per day is good.

What will that do? :dav

amax · Mar 20, 2014

Mamoon said:
Imran also came in Allama Iqbal's dream and told him about Pakistan but sadly Allama Iqbal took all the credit for himself.

When I was kid I used to think the same that Allama Iqbal had a dream about Pakistan.

srh · Mar 20, 2014

Mamoon said:
What will that do?

bring you peace and tranquility :inti

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

amax said:
When I was kid I used to think the same that Allama Iqbal had a dream about Pakistan.

That isn't true. Every positive thing related to this country has a link with Imran and every negative thing is linked to Misbah.

If these two didn't exist, I wonder who'd have taken all the plaudits and all the blame.

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

srh said:
bring you peace and tranquility

Its you who seems to have a problem. questioning my nationality again and again. :asif

Indiafan · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
No they always had the natural talent to become Great bowlers but a lot of players have had that talent but haven't fulfilled it e.g kambli if they had say someone like Moyo as a captain would they have honestly fulfilled their tremendous potential.

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So should Sachin get credit for Kohli, Pujara etc? After all, both of them credit Sachin for his tips and mentoring

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Indiafan said:
So should Sachin get credit for Kohli, Pujara etc? After all, both of them credit Sachin for his tips and mentoring

Kohli was always marked for greatness he made his way from U-19 Teams while Pujara has domnated The Ranji Trophy. Waqar and Wasim were club bowlers who were plucled from obscurity just because Imran saw they had a spark in them.

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Imran spotted those two but they would have forced their way into the team anyway. If they were making merry of international batsmen, they would have destroyed our FC batsmen.

Imran spotted them, groomed them but you cannot polish a turd.

They had the ability with and without Imran.

amax · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
Kohli was always marked for greatness he made his way from U-19 Teams while Pujara has domnated The Ranji Trophy. Waqar and Wasim were club bowlers who were plucled from obscurity just because Imran saw they had a spark in them.

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This is common misinformation that is circulated while over hyping Imran; Wasim was "discovered" by Javed Miandad while Waqar was spotted by (if I am not wrong) former Pak cricketer Haroon Rasheed who saw a young tearaway from small town in southern Punjab Vehari and picked him for Multan team.(Imran actually saw that match on TV when he was ill).

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Actually you are right. Haroon Rasheed was the first person to take note of Waqar.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

amax said:
This is common misinformation that is circulated while over hyping Imran; Wasim was discovered by Javed Miandad while Waqar was discovered by if I am not wrong former Pak cricketer Haroon Rasheed who saw a young tearaway from samll town in southern Punjab Vehari and picked him for Multan team.(Imran actually saw that match on TV when he was ill).

If that's true then I thank you for telling me the truth.

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Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Mamoon said:
Actually you are right. Haroon Rasheed was the first person to take note of Waqar.

Why couldn't you say what Amax did instead of doing your typical Tamasha

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
Why couldn't you say what Amax did instead of doing your typical Tamasha

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I forgot this fact.

I remember watching a TV show where Waqar clearly stated that Haroon scouted him and recommended him to Imran.

His comment reminded me of it.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Mamoon said:
I forgot this fact.

I remember watching a TV show where Waqar clearly stated that Haroon scouted him and recommended him to Imran.

His comment reminded me of it.

Fair enough then this is settled my eyes are opened now

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zubair007 · Mar 20, 2014

All this for en eye opening exercise?
Could have just splashed some water

Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
Fair enough then this is settled my eyes are opened now

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You're welcome :jf

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

zubair007 said:
All this for en eye opening exercise?
Could have just splashed some water

Im only 19 I have been told of the legend of IK my whole life

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
Im only 19 I have been told of the legend of IK my whole life

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What makes you think he isn't a legend?

Comfortably our best cricketer ever.

Adil_94 · Mar 20, 2014

Re: "I think Ahmed Shehzad has more talent than Sachin Tendulkar ever had": Abdul Raz

Mamoon said:
What makes you think he isn't a legend?

Comfortably our best cricketer ever.

I know he's a legend and our greatest cricketer but a lot of things have been attributed to him that aren't true building a Stalin esque Cult of Personality about him

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Mamoon · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
I know he's a legend and our greatest cricketer but a lot of things have been attributed to him that aren't true building a Stalin esque Cult of Personality about him

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Yes.

amax · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
Im only 19 I have been told of the legend of IK my whole life

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Interesting I am also not old enough (early twenties) to see Imran playing or even wasim and waqar at their peaks but in my circle(elders) it was generally considered that stats apart wasim and waqar were better fast bowlers than Imran.

Indiafan · Mar 20, 2014

Adil_94 said:
Kohli was always marked for greatness he made his way from U-19 Teams while Pujara has domnated The Ranji Trophy. Waqar and Wasim were club bowlers who were plucled from obscurity just because Imran saw they had a spark in them.

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Hmm, we had bowlers who did well in U-19 and never made the transition to international cricket successful. We had others who out batted everyone in Ranji but never clicked at international. We have Zol in U-19 who was hyped a lot

Buffet · Mar 20, 2014

amax said:
These are bowling ranking from late 1991, it looks like it would have been quite difficult to drop this "finished" cricketer

http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/datespecific/test/?stattype=bowling&day=20&month=10&year=1991

and to give some context to debate sachin was languishing around 20th in last 2 years.

https://www.relianceiccrankings.com/playerdisplay/test/batting/?id=1905&graph=ranking

You probably missed the argument happening earlier between posters. Discussion was about SRT retiring immediately after the WC and one poster said why he should have retired despite able to contribute greatly at that time. Then IK argument came.

Why are you looking at SRT's last 2 years? No one was debating that. SRT's was contributing far greater than IK before both played their last WC. There is no parallel in SRT's and IK's performance before they went to play their last WCs. That's mainly due to SRT having his second great peak before the WC. If you want to look at their last 1-2 years of career then SRT was contributing even less than IK but no one was debating that point.

Rankings is not going to tell you if IK was finished as a bowler. He played only 3 tests and he didn't even bowl in those tests. He was 40 years old. Why do you need to look at rankings to come to conclusion that he was finished as a bowler by then? Rankings doesn't not change drastically if you have not played much cricket. I will give you one easy example here. If Indians were playing very little test cricket , like 3-4 tests, then SRT would have been still ranked in the top 5 due to not losing many points till retirement but that doesn't mean that he was not finished in his last 1-2 years.

Fahdi said:
What else would you expect. He was a bowling allrounder who could not bowl.he was too old. Imran Khan was the greatest Allrounder ever imo but he was a bowling allrounder lets not forget.

I didn't argue anything about him not being a great all rounder.

Dr_Bassim said:
Saying Tendulkar was finished and Imran was finished has no impact on their greatness.

Thank you. It's pretty much expected that you will be finished as a cricketers when you reach near 40. Most cricketers retire by then.

Chromeuser · Mar 22, 2014

Leave aside Tendulkar, I haven't yet seen Kohli getting out similar to Shehzad getting out against Mishra.
I would love to hear what Razzaks thinks now.

Stark · Mar 22, 2014

Somebody should close this thread.
Razzaq got his 2 mins of fame and attention, mission accomplished.

Hitman · Mar 22, 2014

Kohli is a million times more talent than Ahmed Shehzad. I won't even dignify what Razzaq said by giving an opinion, except that he's half retarded.

Mamoon · Mar 22, 2014

Talented Shehzad can't even play Mishra while Tendulkar destroyed Warne.

Shehzad isn't even half as talented as Rahane, let alone Kohli.

saeedhk · Mar 22, 2014

Pathetic, just pathetic.

Shehzad is so highly rated here.

This guy has a strike rate of 71 in odis. :facepalm:

He cannot even rotate the strike.

Mamoon · Mar 22, 2014

saeedhk said:
Pathetic, just pathetic.

Shehzad is so highly rated here.

This guy has a strike rate of 71 in odis.

He cannot even rotate the strike.

People have closed their eyes just like they did with Junaid.

Since he's scoring runs, they pretend everything is fine.

The truth is that like Junaid, he's mediocre and mediocre cricketers get found out eventually.

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