"I think IPL is better than the World Cup" : AB de Villiers

[big_gamer007]

IPL in current format will never replace any international tournament simply because it only goes on for 2 month a year. Another thing that is devaluing IPL is political influence.

Ofcourse it needs to be atleast 6 month franchise system like NBA/EPL and no holds barred on foreign talent. But it's a sub continent based event so it will never be fully professional and always have political and power culture associated with it.

If you want to grow cricket globally then T20 franchise based system is the way to go. Slowly you tap into other markets and get into Olympics.

Otherwise it's just a sport played in 7-8 countries even in those 3-4 it's declining.

 

[Ab Fan]

He had his chance many times in both 50 over and 20 over world tournaments. He can come out of retirment if he likes but people go pay to watch players win or try to win, this winning hearts is some strange mentality which I've only come across now in your post in any sport.

Winning a world tournament is a function of team, not individuals. One player can't battle 11 men. He has a good record in World Cup(you look at his matches and his runs total and add the SR part), won many matches for SA in ODIs and had been a fantastic test cricketer over his career, played a pivotal role in winning many test matches. He played the game as per team requirement, aggressive, defensive or whatever. 8.5K+ test runs@Avg 50+, playing in SA, are great numbers.

Not sure what is exactly wrong with all this. Along with this, if he plays IPL and has got fans(you need to be special to have fans, mind you) who like him and he enjoys playing as well, then that's even better.

 

[The Viper]

Winning a world tournament is a function of team, not individuals. One player can't battle 11 men. He has a good record in World Cup(you look at his matches and his runs total and add the SR part), won many matches for SA in ODIs and had been a fantastic test cricketer over his career, played a pivotal role in winning many test matches. He played the game as per team requirement, aggressive, defensive or whatever. 8.5K+ test runs@Avg 50+, playing in SA, are great numbers.

Not sure what is exactly wrong with all this. Along with this, if he plays IPL and has got fans(you need to be special to have fans, mind you) who like him and he enjoys playing as well, then that's even better.

I don't understand how people can blame AB for SA not winning WC. Generally performed pretty well in WC's. Also its not his fault that there was rain in 2015 SF.

 

[Pakhs]

Ofcourse it needs to be atleast 6 month franchise system like NBA/EPL and no holds barred on foreign talent. But it's a sub continent based event so it will never be fully professional and always have political and power culture associated with it.

If you want to grow cricket globally then T20 franchise based system is the way to go. Slowly you tap into other markets and get into Olympics.

Otherwise it's just a sport played in 7-8 countries even in those 3-4 it's declining.

the reason other foreign leagues like EPL is so popular is because there is never any political influences involved even the fans in Africa think as if its their own league compare that to IPL who banned Pakistan players and lost out on loyalty from Pakistan population which is quit big.

 

[USaqaf]

Balance sheet wise the IPL will smoke the WC without question.

 

[urnotserious]

Sorry but who wants to watch
Unadkat, Kulkarni, Sandeep Sharma, Axar without international reps?

But you can also watch Saini, Bumrah, Shami, Prasidh, Varun and Yadav all of whom can hit 150kph or more, faster than anything Bangla bros ever have had or Pak do.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Why you wanted to play WC now?

AB de Villiers has lost a fan

 

[Rana]

He was always arrogant and self entitled.

He didn’t tour Pakistan when all of his mates toured with world XI. He promised Pak fans he would visit Pakistan, that was a lie. He doesn’t acknowledge PSL, his franchise on any of his social media. Nor does he really follow any current Pakistani players. He pretty much epitomises the attitude that the world of cricket has against Pakistan. Isolated a decade ago because of political tensions with India, all relations with Pakistan are diplomatic and can be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

Play IPL mate, it’s bigger than the World Cup.

 

[Bhaijaan]

People of India genuinely treat him as one of their own, I can vouch for it from my many outings to IPL/international games but i am really saddened by how he has managed or rather mismanaged his international career. It just seems to defy logic.

His image was always of a very sensible and smart chap. Today even someone like Shoaib Akhtar is tearing him apart on social media. You get it? Shoaib Akhtar of all people! If there is one guy who did everything possible to harm his career over and over again it’s Shoaib and today Shoaib Akhtar is calling ABD all sort of things. That’s what ABD has earned himself. It’s really sad to see a gifted player and a gentleman like him going that way.

 

[saeed5646]

LoL this statement have not aged well

 

[pratiktc]

Irony died thousand deaths when Shoaib Akhtar started giving ABD lessons on being selfless and putting country first

 

[MenInG]

Irony died thousand deaths when Shoaib Akhtar started giving ABD lessons on being selfless and putting country first

Why do you say that?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Irony died thousand deaths when Shoaib Akhtar started giving ABD lessons on being selfless and putting country first

You can say many things about Shabby but his jazba and junoon in playing for Pakistan can never be questioned.

In that regard he is way above ABD.

 

[Mamoon]

Morgan on Archer:

“He has very rare failed but when he does, he is quite chilled. After the game, he was very relaxed. He is at the point in his career where he is picking up everything very quickly. Yes, learning in a World Cup brings pressure.

But he has played in the IPL, which is as good as you can replicate in the World Cup”

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26920563/england-step-away-game-diffuse-pressure

It is easy for us to comfort ourselves by claiming that the likes of de Villiers and Morgan have lost their minds because of money and that they genuinely don’t feel that way, but the fact is that the IPL grows bigger and bigger in stature every year.

At this point, it is definitely on par with (if not better) bilateral Limited Overs cricket.

IPL can no longer be brushed as just a domestic T20 league. It is pretty much international cricket in franchise form and players are under genuine pressure to perform.

The quicker we make peace with the significance of IPL, the easier it will be for us to deal with the jealously and bitterness, because the IPL is only going to get bigger and better.

 

[gazza619]

The only way Pakistan fans will fall in love with IPL is if Pakistan players are allowed to play in it. That is such saying the truth as it is.

 

[Mamoon]

The only way Pakistan fans will fall in love with IPL is if Pakistan players are allowed to play in it. That is such saying the truth as it is.

The PCB is to be blamed for the isolation of Pakistani players. They would have been eventually banned anyway, but PCB’s bravado and misplaced arrogance cost our players at least 3-4 seasons.

Nevertheless, our fans don’t have to love the IPL, but the time has come for them to acknowledge its importance and impact on the game.

IPL doesn’t need the validation of Pakistani fans, but it is important for the fans because it will allow them to better cope with the jealously and disappointment. Denial has not helped us so far and it will not help us in the future.

 

[Technics 1210]

The PCB is to be blamed for the isolation of Pakistani players. They would have been eventually banned anyway, but PCB’s bravado and misplaced arrogance cost our players at least 3-4 seasons.

Nevertheless, our fans don’t have to love the IPL, but the time has come for them to acknowledge its importance and impact on the game.

IPL doesn’t need the validation of Pakistani fans, but it is important for the fans because it will allow them to better cope with the jealously and disappointment. Denial has not helped us so far and it will not help us in the future.

So PCB is to blame for isolation of Pakistan players, but Pakistan players would've been banned anyway?

PCB act with foresight, and are still to blame according to you.

You are the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[leg-side-flick]

So PCB is to blame for isolation of Pakistan players, but Pakistan players would've been banned anyway?

PCB act with foresight, and are still to blame according to you.

You are the gift that keeps on giving.

He is right and I think you probably are now aware of the whole story

 

[MRSN]

Why you wanted to play WC now?

AB de Villiers has lost a fan

Two.

 

[Technics 1210]

He is right and I think you probably are now aware of the whole story

Oh yes I know his full story (and the IPL story). He regrets being a Pakistani, he has nothing positive to say about pakistan. Though be careful before supporting him, because someone who doesn't respect or accept his creed, will never respect others.

 

[Khan12]

Seems like a shameless person who just lies. Was a massive fan of his.

 

[MRSN]

He was always arrogant and self entitled.

He didn’t tour Pakistan when all of his mates toured with world XI. He promised Pak fans he would visit Pakistan, that was a lie. He doesn’t acknowledge PSL, his franchise on any of his social media. Nor does he really follow any current Pakistani players. He pretty much epitomises the attitude that the world of cricket has against Pakistan. Isolated a decade ago because of political tensions with India, all relations with Pakistan are diplomatic and can be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

Play IPL mate, it’s bigger than the World Cup.

And I doubt most people in the world cares about his IPL performances other than Indians and our [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] brother.

 

[Khan12]

And I doubt most people in the world cares about his IPL performances other than Indians and our [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] brother.

IPL is equivalent to international cricket in fact better so that means Unadkat, Tambe etc are ATG's since they have performed at the biggest stage such a shame they couldn't replicate this on a lower level i.e international stage.

 

[Technics 1210]

He was always arrogant and self entitled.

He didn’t tour Pakistan when all of his mates toured with world XI. He promised Pak fans he would visit Pakistan, that was a lie. He doesn’t acknowledge PSL, his franchise on any of his social media. Nor does he really follow any current Pakistani players. He pretty much epitomises the attitude that the world of cricket has against Pakistan. Isolated a decade ago because of political tensions with India, all relations with Pakistan are diplomatic and can be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

Play IPL mate, it’s bigger than the World Cup.

I'm guessing there is a clause in his IPL contract that forbids him from playing in Pakistan and taking interest in anything related to Pakistan cricket.

Nothing but joy that CSA snubbed him, he deserved it.

 

[Mamoon]

So PCB is to blame for isolation of Pakistan players, but Pakistan players would've been banned anyway?

PCB act with foresight, and are still to blame according to you.

You are the gift that keeps on giving.

As usual, you deliberately play ignorant to needlessly prolong the discussion.

PCB did not show any foresight. When India rightly blamed Pakistan for perpetrating Mumbai attacks, PCB retaliated by barring its players from participating in IPL 2.

This was a blow for the IPL teams because several Pakistani players played a key role in IPL 1, and they had to quickly find replacements.

In 2010, prior to IPL 3, PCB came to its senses and allowed its players to participate in the IPL, so much for “PCB showing foresight”.

However, the franchises could no longer trust PCB. They could not let Pakistani players walk into and out of the IPL depending on PCB’s mood.

The Pakistani players were humiliated when they were ignored in the auction, even though they were the reigning WT20 Champions.

PCB thought that by banning Pakistani players, the IPL would crumble, but they learned their lesson with a bitter taste in their mouth. The IPL got bigger and better without the contribution of a single Pakistani player.

I do think that Modi’s government would have eventually barred Pakistani players, because the lack of bilateral ties between the two countries would have made it difficult for our players to participate, but PCB’s delusions clearly cost our players 3-4 seasons.

 

[Mamoon]

And I doubt most people in the world cares about his IPL performances other than Indians and our [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] brother.

It doesn’t matter what most people in the world think. Most people don’t care about bilateral cricket either unless their team is playing.

The fact that the likes of de Villiers and Morgan etc. consider IPL to almost be at par with the World Cup shows its importance. As I said, denial will not help our fans anymore. We must accept the truth, even if it hurts.

 

[pillionrider]

Well to be fair to him, his team exits both the IPL and WC around the same stage.

The deja vu must be strong...

 

[Technics 1210]

As usual, you deliberately play ignorant to needlessly prolong the discussion.

PCB did not show any foresight. When India rightly blamed Pakistan for perpetrating Mumbai attacks, PCB retaliated by barring its players from participating in IPL 2.

This was a blow for the IPL teams because several Pakistani players played a key role in IPL 1, and they had to quickly find replacements.

In 2010, prior to IPL 3, PCB came to its senses and allowed its players to participate in the IPL, so much for “PCB showing foresight”.

However, the franchises could no longer trust PCB. They could not let Pakistani players walk into and out of the IPL depending on PCB’s mood.

The Pakistani players were humiliated when they were ignored in the auction, even though they were the reigning WT20 Champions.

PCB thought that by banning Pakistani players, the IPL would crumble, but they learned their lesson with a bitter taste in their mouth. The IPL got bigger and better without the contribution of a single Pakistani player.

I do think that Modi’s government would have eventually barred Pakistani players, because the lack of bilateral ties between the two countries would have made it difficult for our players to participate, but PCB’s delusions clearly cost our players 3-4 seasons.

Changed your tune yet again once your nonsense is exposed.

Pakistan doesn't need your validation or approval.

Pakistan proved that participation in the IPL - the most corrupt T20 league - doesn't lead to success. WT20 and CT17 proves this.

Pakistan players humiliated when ignored in the auction while being T20 champions? Please do grow up. Pakistan players played in the inaugural IPL, after than banned. There was no auction.

Oh one more thing, it was India that was humiliated after denying VISA to Pakistan players, to the extent the IOC forbid india hosting from any Olympic events.

Like I said, Pakistan doesn't need your approval and doesn't need the IPL either, only someone as bitter as you would believe that.

 

[Technics 1210]

It doesn’t matter what most people in the world think. Most people don’t care about bilateral cricket either unless their team is playing.

The fact that the likes of de Villiers and Morgan etc. consider IPL to almost be at par with the World Cup shows its importance. As I said, denial will not help our fans anymore. We must accept the truth, even if it hurts.

You have a habit of generalizing and speaking for the masses. Please stick to your personal views. People don't care about bilateral series? Liar. The evidence is against you.

Notice how you now state IPL to be almost on par with the WC, when the OP states ABD believes the IPL IS better than the world cup. Your word salad should be pulled up for what it is.

Reality is ABD now wants to play in the WC and rightly put in his place, after all, the WC is the biggest stage in Cricket.

 

[MRSN]

It doesn’t matter what most people in the world think. Most people don’t care about bilateral cricket either unless their team is playing.

The fact that the likes of de Villiers and Morgan etc. consider IPL to almost be at par with the World Cup shows its importance. As I said, denial will not help our fans anymore. We must accept the truth, even if it hurts.

The fact is money can buy loyalty from the bests of the best.

 

[MRSN]

You have a habit of generalizing and speaking for the masses. Please stick to your personal views. People don't care about bilateral series? Liar. The evidence is against you.

Notice how you now state IPL to be almost on par with the WC, when the OP states ABD believes the IPL IS better than the world cup. Your word salad should be pulled up for what it is.

Reality is ABD now wants to play in the WC and rightly put in his place, after all, the WC is the biggest stage in Cricket.

Also sad reality is most people will remember AB for snubbing world cup and represent nation for representing some Indian city. Shame just died there.

 

[MRSN]

No matter how many world class innings AB has played, people will look at his career differently. T20 mercenaries are not respected in the world if they can't represent their nation well.

 

[Aman]

Wow, just came across this today.

He is a grade A idiot and am pleased SA rejected him. SA don't need people with that mentality playing for them.

 

[Mamoon]

Changed your tune yet again once your nonsense is exposed.

Pakistan doesn't need your validation or approval.

Pakistan proved that participation in the IPL - the most corrupt T20 league - doesn't lead to success. WT20 and CT17 proves this.

Pakistan players humiliated when ignored in the auction while being T20 champions? Please do grow up. Pakistan players played in the inaugural IPL, after than banned. There was no auction.

Oh one more thing, it was India that was humiliated after denying VISA to Pakistan players, to the extent the IOC forbid india hosting from any Olympic events.

Like I said, Pakistan doesn't need your approval and doesn't need the IPL either, only someone as bitter as you would believe that.

You are so emphatically misinformed that I am struggling to choose a starting point. Nonetheless, I will try.

1) the purpose of IPL is not to make other teams play better or lead them to success. Its purpose is to make money, give young Indian players a chance to play with the best players in the world at an early stage, and make the IPL the biggest league in the word. They have achieved all of this without any contribution from Pakistani players.

Good on Pakistan for winning two trophies without playing in the IPL, but Pakistan can win every tournament and it will not dampen the objective of IPL.

2) Pakistani players were part of the IPL 2010 auction and they were snubbed, and Pakistan players were humiliated.

Pakistan players hurt and angered by snub

The third IPL auction, held in Mumbai on Tuesday, has been overshadowed by a controversy arising from the fact that not a single Pakistani player of the 11 on the auction list - including several of the World Cup-winning team - was picked up. Pakistan's players have reacted with anger and attributed the blackout to politics; the IPL has said it was the franchises' decision and the franchises have explained it on grounds of cricketing strategy or availability during the tournament.

Afridi, Pakistan's Twenty20 captain, was the first player up for sale on Tuesday but fetched no bids. He called it a snub to his country. "The way I see it, the IPL and India have made fun of us and our country," he said. "We are the Twenty20 world champions and for me the attitude of the franchises was disappointing. I feel bad for the Indian people who, I am sure, wanted to see us play in the IPL this year."

https://nation.com.pk/20-Jan-2010/india-has-ridiculed-us-says-furious-afridi

3) Yes India were humiliated by IOC, I agree, but PCB and Pakistani players humiliated in the IPL thanks to the bravado of PCB.

Pakistani fans don't need my approval or the IPL and they can continue to be jealous for as long as they want, but I am sure the Pakistani players would feel differently, especially pre PSL. Our players used to regularly lament the fact that they were not getting the opportunity to play in the IPL. In fact, back in the days, PPers would regularly moan about how our players are obsessed with IPL. It is not their fault though, they have missed out on a fortune because of PCB.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact is money can buy loyalty from the bests of the best.

Without money, no player would play international cricket either. The money factor is moot point.

 

[Mamoon]

You have a habit of generalizing and speaking for the masses. Please stick to your personal views. People don't care about bilateral series? Liar. The evidence is against you.

Notice how you now state IPL to be almost on par with the WC, when the OP states ABD believes the IPL IS better than the world cup. Your word salad should be pulled up for what it is.

Reality is ABD now wants to play in the WC and rightly put in his place, after all, the WC is the biggest stage in Cricket.

What evidence? When Pakistan plays Sri Lanka, do people in Australia, England or South Africa give a damn? No.

The reason why I stated that IPL is almost on par with the World Cup is because de Villiers called IPL better than the World Cup and Morgan called it close to the World Cup. That is why I said the likes of "de Villiers and Morgan etc.".

I am sure most players, including the Indians, wouldn't agree with de Villiers that IPL > World Cup, but I am certain that most players would also agree with Morgan that IPL is a big deal and an intense competition that cannot be brushed aside as just another franchise tournament.

 

[Technics 1210]

You are so emphatically misinformed that I am struggling to choose a starting point. Nonetheless, I will try.

1) the purpose of IPL is not to make other teams play better or lead them to success. Its purpose is to make money, give young Indian players a chance to play with the best players in the world at an early stage, and make the IPL the biggest league in the word. They have achieved all of this without any contribution from Pakistani players.

Good on Pakistan for winning two trophies without playing in the IPL, but Pakistan can win every tournament and it will not dampen the objective of IPL.

2) Pakistani players were part of the IPL 2010 auction and they were snubbed, and Pakistan players were humiliated.


https://nation.com.pk/20-Jan-2010/india-has-ridiculed-us-says-furious-afridi

3) Yes India were humiliated by IOC, I agree, but PCB and Pakistani players humiliated in the IPL thanks to the bravado of PCB.

Pakistani fans don't need my approval or the IPL and they can continue to be jealous for as long as they want, but I am sure the Pakistani players would feel differently, especially pre PSL. Our players used to regularly lament the fact that they were not getting the opportunity to play in the IPL. In fact, back in the days, PPers would regularly moan about how our players are obsessed with IPL. It is not their fault though, they have missed out on a fortune because of PCB.

For the record, I am not a fan of any T20 franchise. I do not follow IPL, PSL, BPL etc. For the purpose of premise.

Now you say IPLs purpose is not to improve player performance after realizing Pakistan achieved quite a bit devoid of IPL experience. Remind me, how would young players benefit from playing with the best players?

So if IPL's purpose is just to make money, how exactly is the IPL better than the world cup then? Purely based on financials but not quality/respect/experience then? Come on let it out.

So to summarize, according to you, Pakistan players are jealous because they are missing out on corrupt money. Wow. I suppose this type of thinking fits with your - corruption is better than incompetence - thinking but even this doesn't apply to the Pakistan team currently.

You love the IPL, good for you, but then to bash Pakistan in the process is where your true intentions are exposed.

 

[Technics 1210]

What evidence? When Pakistan plays Sri Lanka, do people in Australia, England or South Africa give a damn? No.

The reason why I stated that IPL is almost on par with the World Cup is because de Villiers called IPL better than the World Cup and Morgan called it close to the World Cup. That is why I said the likes of "de Villiers and Morgan etc.".

I am sure most players, including the Indians, wouldn't agree with de Villiers that IPL > World Cup, but I am certain that most players would also agree with Morgan that IPL is a big deal and an intense competition that cannot be brushed aside as just another franchise tournament.

Speak for yourself, in England bilateral series are packed out against every opponent.

You just stated the purpose of IPL is to make money. Tell me then why is IPL considered to be better than the world cup by Morgan, ABD, and you? Intensity you say? This comes under experience and smacks against your claim IPL exists for the purpose of making making money and not player development.

You saying IPL is almost on par with the WC is not the same as IPL is better than the WC as per OP which you are defending - once again, make your mind up.

 

[Slim]

Wow, just came across this today.

He is a grade A idiot and am pleased SA rejected him. SA don't need people with that mentality playing for them.

His pathetic self has been exposed fully now. Zero respect for him.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Nothing is comparable to WC and Ashes series.IPL and other T20 leagues are played for money.

 

[JaDed]

Congratulations on not winning both for your team.

 

[James]

He’s an utter disgrace, how does the guy have fans? Absolute halfwit.

 

[Gullycricket]

The Messi of Cricket

 

[Ab Fan]

One has to understand the context in which he wanted to say this point. The atmosphere, the gesture, the cheer that ABD gets during IPL tournament is something he doesn't find in/during the WC.

It is this context in which he is trying to say that IPL is better than WC. His context is not that if he wins a silverware for his IPL franchise, then that is bigger than winning a World trophy for SA.

Of course, hurt fans or hatred people will say so. It doesn't matter- he was a champion player who played like a champion, accepted defeat(praised opposition) and enjoyed wins. He played cricket as true gentleman of the game and when he felt his heart is no longer there, he silently left the show.

 

[James]

Silently? He never shuts up.

 

[Technics 1210]

One has to understand the context in which he wanted to say this point. The atmosphere, the gesture, the cheer that ABD gets during IPL tournament is something he doesn't find in/during the WC.

It is this context in which he is trying to say that IPL is better than WC. His context is not that if he wins a silverware for his IPL franchise, then that is bigger than winning a World trophy for SA.

Of course, hurt fans or hatred people will say so. It doesn't matter- he was a champion player who played like a champion, accepted defeat(praised opposition) and enjoyed wins. He played cricket as true gentleman of the game and when he felt his heart is no longer there, he silently left the show.

Nope. AB retired from international cricket because he was tired. Tough IPL schedule I guess.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44223616

 

[Ab Fan]

Nope. AB retired from international cricket because he was tired. Tough IPL schedule I guess.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44223616

When you get tired, it means your heart is no longer there. If I still have passion for anything and my heart is there, I won't get tired on that.

 

[Technics 1210]

When you get tired, it means your heart is no longer there. If I still have passion for anything and my heart is there, I won't get tired on that.

So when he retired from international duties, he did so because he lost the passion to represent his country, but remained passionate with the IPL, and now that the IPL is over he's suddenly found the passion to play for SA?

You can see why he is losing fans/respect.

 

[Slim]

Congratulations on not winning both for your team.

Game.Set.Match.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

It doesn’t matter what most people in the world think. Most people don’t care about bilateral cricket either unless their team is playing.

The fact that the likes of de Villiers and Morgan etc. consider IPL to almost be at par with the World Cup shows its importance. As I said, denial will not help our fans anymore. We must accept the truth, even if it hurts.

You need to be ignorant to think that it’s not the money talking. (This is coming from a guy who is completely indifferent towards any t20 league, even the psl)

 

[Slim]

You need to be ignorant to think that it’s not the money talking. (This is coming from a guy who is completely indifferent towards any t20 league, even the psl)

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] for the sake of one upping the Pakistani fans sometimes says logic defying stuff.

 

[sshakir411]

Sad stuff. Good on South Africa for not including him even after he changed his mind. No player is bigger than the team. Unfortunately, we Pakistanis can never take such decisions.

 

[Mamoon]

You need to be ignorant to think that it’s not the money talking. (This is coming from a guy who is completely indifferent towards any t20 league, even the psl)

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] for the sake of one upping the Pakistani fans sometimes says logic defying stuff.

There is no reason for de Villiers to say that IPL is better than the World Cup and for Morgan to say that it is as close as you can get to the World Cup.

de Villiers is IPL's biggest overseas star and he does not have to say stuff like this to stay relevant. His IPL performances, and the respect that he has among the Indian fans is more than enough. De Villiers has been a constant in the IPL since the first edition. He is one of the biggest architects of its success and has seen it evolve into the giant that it is today.

Morgan has been unsold in the IPL since 2017, so there goes the theory that it is money talking. In March 2019, two months after he was left unsold, he stated that IPL was the ideal preparation for the World Cup. Yesterday, in the pre-match presser, he stated that he was not worried about Archer handling pressure of the World Cup because he has played in the IPL which is a high-intensity tournament with a lot of pressure to perform.

He has not earned a dime from the IPL for two years, in fact he has been humiliated. England have been one of the top Limited Overs sides in the world for 4 years now, but the IPL franchises do not deem their captain good enough to even be picked in the auction. However, that has not deterred him from stating that it is a great tournament that is as good as it gets when it comes to preparing players for the World Cup.

Do you actually think that yesterday during the pre-match presser, he was thinking about the IPL auction next year?

I am sorry to say this, but Pakistani fans are in extreme denial when it comes to the IPL and its importance in the game today. They just cannot accept or make peace with the fact that IPL is not just another franchise league and players actually consider it superior to other T20 leagues.

They have somehow convinced themselves that whenever any cricketer will praise the IPL, it must be because of money only.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

There is no reason for de Villiers to say that IPL is better than the World Cup and for Morgan to say that it is as close as you can get to the World Cup.

de Villiers is IPL's biggest overseas star and he does not have to say stuff like this to stay relevant. His IPL performances, and the respect that he has among the Indian fans is more than enough. De Villiers has been a constant in the IPL since the first edition. He is one of the biggest architects of its success and has seen it evolve into the giant that it is today.

Morgan has been unsold in the IPL since 2017, so there goes the theory that it is money talking. In March 2019, two months after he was left unsold, he stated that IPL was the ideal preparation for the World Cup. Yesterday, in the pre-match presser, he stated that he was not worried about Archer handling pressure of the World Cup because he has played in the IPL which is a high-intensity tournament with a lot of pressure to perform.

He has not earned a dime from the IPL for two years, in fact he has been humiliated. England have been one of the top Limited Overs sides in the world for 4 years now, but the IPL franchises do not deem their captain good enough to even be picked in the auction. However, that has not deterred him from stating that it is a great tournament that is as good as it gets when it comes to preparing players for the World Cup.

Do you actually think that yesterday during the pre-match presser, he was thinking about the IPL auction next year?

I am sorry to say this, but Pakistani fans are in extreme denial when it comes to the IPL and its importance in the game today. They just cannot accept or make peace with the fact that IPL is not just another franchise league and players actually consider it superior to other T20 leagues.

They have somehow convinced themselves that whenever any cricketer will praise the IPL, it must be because of money only.

Yeah but do you watch it. I know it’s subjective but it’s style over substance circus stuff for me. It’s the equivalent of a fast and furious movie. I suppose since those movies gross a lot they can be deemed important. Yeah fine it’s better than other t20 leagues but that’s like saying getting shot is better than burning to death.

Also since this thread is about what devilliers said and even if we concede that he was talking about the t20 World Cup, it is impossible for the ipl to overtake that if Pakistani players aren’t a part of it since Pakistan has historically been among the top 3 t20 teams ever and that’s something that even you won’t deny. I know that even you disagree with Devilliers statement even if you are using it to take jabs at Pakistanis which is something you undeniably get a lot of enjoyment out of (not that I care)

 

[Mamoon]

For the record, I am not a fan of any T20 franchise. I do not follow IPL, PSL, BPL etc. For the purpose of premise.

Now you say IPLs purpose is not to improve player performance after realizing Pakistan achieved quite a bit devoid of IPL experience. Remind me, how would young players benefit from playing with the best players?

So if IPL's purpose is just to make money, how exactly is the IPL better than the world cup then? Purely based on financials but not quality/respect/experience then? Come on let it out.

So to summarize, according to you, Pakistan players are jealous because they are missing out on corrupt money. Wow. I suppose this type of thinking fits with your - corruption is better than incompetence - thinking but even this doesn't apply to the Pakistan team currently.

You love the IPL, good for you, but then to bash Pakistan in the process is where your true intentions are exposed.

IPL's purpose is not to improve foreign players. Ultimately, it is the Indian Premier League and in terms of player development, its goal is to help the Indian players improve.

The IPL is a tremendous platform for young Indian cricketers who are not yet in International contention to get a feel of what international cricket is like. IPL ticks all the boxes - world class players, international standard pitches, large crowds, billions of eyeballs.

It is the perfect environment for any talented young cricketer to develop quickly. It has accelerated the growth of the players who grew up in the IPL era, e.g. Kohli, Rohit, Ashwin etc., and more recently the likes of Bumrah and Pant and now Gill and Shaw.

IPL is better than the World Cup is something de Villiers said, and perhaps you should ask him. It is not an opinion that I share, but I do believe that the IPL is on par with bilateral Limited Overs cricket if not superior.

Pakistani players are not jealous because they are missing out on the "corrupt" of IPL.

They were disappointed because they felt they were missing out on the IPL fortunes when a lot of inferior players from other countries were getting contracts.

They were paying a price for the political tensions between the two countries and the misplaced arrogance of PCB. That is why before they started earning "halal" money in PSL alongside Saint Sharjeel and Saint Khalid Latif, they used to express their disappointment over not playing IPL regularly, and our fans then used to criticise them for obsessing with IPL and not having any self-respect.

It is not about bashing Pakistan. No Pakistani has to love IPL, but denying its importance and impact on the game today fruitless and serves no purpose other than making us look small and jealous.

 

[Mamoon]

Speak for yourself, in England bilateral series are packed out against every opponent.

You just stated the purpose of IPL is to make money. Tell me then why is IPL considered to be better than the world cup by Morgan, ABD, and you? Intensity you say? This comes under experience and smacks against your claim IPL exists for the purpose of making making money and not player development.

You saying IPL is almost on par with the WC is not the same as IPL is better than the WC as per OP which you are defending - once again, make your mind up.

Again, the problem is that you have trouble reading plain English. It goes without saying that when there is a bilateral series, the fans of the two teams care. That is not what I am arguing.

As I stated in my previous posts, when Pakistan plays Sri Lanka, people in other countries do not care. That is my point. The only time the world would care about the results of a Pakistan vs Sri Lanka match is when there is a world tournament, and that is because they have a stake in it.

Hence, to claim that only IPL fans care about IPL results is a moot point. Just like how only Mumbai, CSK and IPL fans care about the outcome of Mumbai vs CSK, only Pakistan and Sri Lanka fans care about a series between the two teams.

Again, it is not my opinion that IPL is better than the World Cup. As I stated previously, I don't agree with de Villiers, but I do agree with Morgan that IPL is as close as it gets to the World Cup, which is undoubtedly the pinnacle of the game.

I am not defending de Villiers; I posted Morgan's quote in this thread and I agree with him. Now to your next point - what is the purpose of IPL and what makes it so special.

There are two main purposes of IPL - to make money and to aid the development of young Indian cricketers, and they have achieved both successfully. The money that BCCI has earned from the IPL has been re-invested into the system and this has strengthened India's F/C cricket as well, because in the long-run, IPL will not produce players for Test cricket.

Finally, IPL is special because it has by the far the best talent pool in T20 franchise cricket. Apart from Pakistan, top Limited Overs players from every country take part in IPL. The pitches are great, the stadiums are fantastic and the crowd intensity and environment is brilliant.

When you watch IPL after watching Empty Stadium League (UAE leg of PSL), BPL or CPL, the jump in quality is immediately apparent. Right from the production to the kits to the actual cricket - everything is superior. The Pakistan leg of PSL is pretty good, but it still has a long, long, way to go before it can be compared to IPL.

The only difference between IPL and Limited Overs Internationals is that the former does not have international status. Apart from that, it is every bit as good.

Even the World Cup is better than IPL only because of its history and prestige, and not because the quality of cricket or the environment are necessarily better.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah but do you watch it. I know it’s subjective but it’s style over substance circus stuff for me. It’s the equivalent of a fast and furious movie. I suppose since those movies gross a lot they can be deemed important. Yeah fine it’s better than other t20 leagues but that’s like saying getting shot is better than burning to death.

Also since this thread is about what devilliers said and even if we concede that he was talking about the t20 World Cup, it is impossible for the ipl to overtake that if Pakistani players aren’t a part of it since Pakistan has historically been among the top 3 t20 teams ever and that’s something that even you won’t deny. I know that even you disagree with Devilliers statement even if you are using it to take jabs at Pakistanis which is something you undeniably get a lot of enjoyment out of (not that I care)

If you do not like T20 cricket in general, you definitely won't like IPL. It is the highest form of T20 cricket in the game today, but you have to love T20s to appreciate IPL. If you are one of those who think that cricket is only Tests and ODIs, then you have every reason to think that IPL is rubbish.

I don't think de Villiers was talking about the World T20. He made this statement a few months before the World Cup so I doubt if he was referring to the former.

I think the fact that IPL has become bigger and bigger without the contribution of a single Pakistani player is quite an eye-opener and sums up where we stand today. No T20 league can be successful without foreign stars, and the IPL would not be where it is today without the likes of de Villiers, Warner, Gayle, Malinga etc.

Pakistan was one of the elite T20s side between 2007 and 2010, but from 2011 to 2016, we were quite average and IPL didn't need our players for its success. Apart from Ajmal before he got suspended, we haven't had many players in the last decade or so who would have been superstars in the IPL.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

If you do not like T20 cricket in general, you definitely won't like IPL. It is the highest form of T20 cricket in the game today, but you have to love T20s to appreciate IPL. If you are one of those who think that cricket is only Tests and ODIs, then you have every reason to think that IPL is rubbish.

I don't think de Villiers was talking about the World T20. He made this statement a few months before the World Cup so I doubt if he was referring to the former.

I think the fact that IPL has become bigger and bigger without the contribution of a single Pakistani player is quite an eye-opener and sums up where we stand today. No T20 league can be successful without foreign stars, and the IPL would not be where it is today without the likes of de Villiers, Warner, Gayle, Malinga etc.

Pakistan was one of the elite T20s side between 2007 and 2010, but from 2011 to 2016, we were quite average and IPL didn't need our players for its success. Apart from Ajmal before he got suspended, we haven't had many players in the last decade or so who would have been superstars in the IPL.

The IPL would've been as big as it is today if any single specific country’s players were excluded from playing the tournament.

 

[Mamoon]

The IPL would've been as big as it is today if any single specific country’s players were excluded from playing the tournament.

I don't think so. The likes of de Villiers, Warner, Gayle, Malinga etc. have been huge stars and have helped IPL become what it is today. You replace them with Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Hafeez and Junaid Khan for example, and surely it would have had a negative impact on the success of the league.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I don't think so. The likes of de Villiers, Warner, Gayle, Malinga etc. have been huge stars and have helped IPL become what it is today. You replace them with Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Hafeez and Junaid Khan for example, and surely it would have had a negative impact on the success of the league.

A single one of those removed would’ve made no difference. I think you’re forgetting who the highest wicket taker in the first edition of the ipl was my friend. Anything can happen in circus leagues

 

[Technics 1210]

Again, the problem is that you have trouble reading plain English. It goes without saying that when there is a bilateral series, the fans of the two teams care. That is not what I am arguing.

As I stated in my previous posts, when Pakistan plays Sri Lanka, people in other countries do not care. That is my point. The only time the world would care about the results of a Pakistan vs Sri Lanka match is when there is a world tournament, and that is because they have a stake in it.

Hence, to claim that only IPL fans care about IPL results is a moot point. Just like how only Mumbai, CSK and IPL fans care about the outcome of Mumbai vs CSK, only Pakistan and Sri Lanka fans care about a series between the two teams.

Again, it is not my opinion that IPL is better than the World Cup. As I stated previously, I don't agree with de Villiers, but I do agree with Morgan that IPL is as close as it gets to the World Cup, which is undoubtedly the pinnacle of the game.

I am not defending de Villiers; I posted Morgan's quote in this thread and I agree with him. Now to your next point - what is the purpose of IPL and what makes it so special.

There are two main purposes of IPL - to make money and to aid the development of young Indian cricketers, and they have achieved both successfully. The money that BCCI has earned from the IPL has been re-invested into the system and this has strengthened India's F/C cricket as well, because in the long-run, IPL will not produce players for Test cricket.

Finally, IPL is special because it has by the far the best talent pool in T20 franchise cricket. Apart from Pakistan, top Limited Overs players from every country take part in IPL. The pitches are great, the stadiums are fantastic and the crowd intensity and environment is brilliant.

When you watch IPL after watching Empty Stadium League (UAE leg of PSL), BPL or CPL, the jump in quality is immediately apparent. Right from the production to the kits to the actual cricket - everything is superior. The Pakistan leg of PSL is pretty good, but it still has a long, long, way to go before it can be compared to IPL.

The only difference between IPL and Limited Overs Internationals is that the former does not have international status. Apart from that, it is every bit as good.

Even the World Cup is better than IPL only because of its history and prestige, and not because the quality of cricket or the environment are necessarily better.

You have changed your tune yet again, from no one cares about bilateral cricket, to the two teams involved care.

You are now saying you were not defending ABD, when initially (before the Morgan quote) you were indeed defending ADB, and defending the IPL. If you say you were not defending ADB, then where's the logic in defending the IPL and not ADB given ADB is quoting the IPL?

As I said I do not watch any for of T20 franchise, I don't care how packed the stadiums are in UAE vs Mumbai, all I do know is IPL is the most corrupt entertaining cricket league in the world, and thank God Pakistan players do no participate in the IPL, and clearly there is no need to. Blessing in disguise. Oh in before you say it, I do not like Pakistan players playing any form of franchise cricket - after all, they're not going to develop their game cos the sole purpose is money and entertainment!

Now you talk about IPL helping develop young Indian players, fine, but great test players will not be plucked from the IPL, but India's first class cricket structure. Yet you claim the WC is better than the IPL due to history and prestige, but not because of the quality? Are you for real?

Entertainment wise, yeah ok, those fair and lovely cheer leaders, fireworks, bellow average bowling (by young indian prospects), reduced boundary lengths etc - yeah ok, entertainment for the family and kids!

I don't think anyone denies the financial aspect of the IPL but when a player picks money over their nation, that player needs a wet fish (though I can understand players close to retirement playing in the IPL for fun after his services for his country)

ADB now wants to play in the WC, he received a smackdown, and rightly so! He thought the IPL was bigger than the WC, now realised he actually wants to play in the WC. Why? IPL take place every year! I tell you why - there is nothing bigger than representing your nation in sports, which is why the WC or any tournament including world nations, will be better and remain of higher quality compared to franchise cricket.

Franchise cricket has a weakness - the moment cricket boards offer multi-million central contracts to players, the motive to play IPL is done and dusted, where as with the WC, players are prepared to play for free! Go ask ADB!

The issue here is you remix your view on the fly whether based on new facts, or new information - you can claim I don't have a grasp on English, but the issue is with your ever changing view. Stick to a single view, don't undermine it, don't smear Pakistan for the sake of it, and who knows we could end up with an entertaining and educational debate!

 

[Mamoon]

You have changed your tune yet again, from no one cares about bilateral cricket, to the two teams involved care.

And what tune would that be? As usual, you have problem understanding basic English. In fact, it isn't your inability to understand English, but your issue is that you don't read the other person's post properly, and while you are reading, you are already thinking of your response which is why you often overlook stuff.

Before you pointed out the obvious (which I never denied) because of your inability to read properly, i.e. that when two teams play bilateral cricket, their fans take keen interest, I had mentioned bilateral cricket in two posts. #72 and #186.

Post #72:

"I already stated in my original post (#12) that I disagree with de Villiers and the World Cup is definitely bigger than the IPL. However, it is certainly comparable to bilateral T20 cricket, and I would argue that it is actually superior.

Bilateral cricket is usually time pass for neutral fans anyway. When Pakistan play Sri Lanka, do people in India, Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand etc. care? Of course they don't."

Post #186:

"It doesn’t matter what most people in the world think. Most people don’t care about bilateral cricket either unless their team is playing.

The fact that the likes of de Villiers and Morgan etc. consider IPL to almost be at par with the World Cup shows its importance. As I said, denial will not help our fans anymore. We must accept the truth, even if it hurts."

Can you explain how you managed to infer from the above posts that no one cares about bilateral cricket INCLUDING the fans of the teams that are playing? I envy your ability to comprehend basic level English.

You are now saying you were not defending ABD, when initially (before the Morgan quote) you were indeed defending ADB, and defending the IPL. If you say you were not defending ADB, then where's the logic in defending the IPL and not ADB given ADB is quoting the IPL?

Once again, your issues with taking your time to read posts before you think of your reply have once again let you down.

Post #12:

"I personally don’t endorse his opinion because the World Cup is definitely bigger than the IPL, and I am certain 99% of the players - including the Indians - would happily trade the IPL trophy for the World Cup, but his assessment could become reality in the next 15-20 years.

IPL is already the highest form of T20 cricket in the game and it gets bigger and better every year. Not only is it at a completely different level to cheap imitations like PSL, BPL, CPL, BBL etc., it is a serious competitor for international cricket as well.

Perhaps one can argue that it is clearly much bigger than international T20 cricket. If T20 cricket continues to grow at a rapid rate, there might come a point in the future where the IPL and the World Cup would end up competing with one another."

Do statements like the "World Cup is bigger than the IPL and even Indian players will happily trade IPL trophy for a World Cup title" sounds like endorsement of de Villiers' opinion?

I would have agreed with de Villiers had he said that the IPL is close to the World Cup or that the IPL could overtake the World Cup in 15-20 years if T20 cricket continues to grow rapidly, but that is not what he implied.

I have no love or sympathy for de Villiers. His attitude in the last three years has been nothing but pathetic. He has been selfish, cowardly and has shown no regard for his nation. In fact, I was perhaps the first person on this forum who predicted his retirement and called him out on his attitude.

I created a thread on his attitude back in Jan 2016 when he was PP's darling based on his exploits in 2015, when he was at the top of his game.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ng-AB-de-Villiers-with-the-Greats-of-the-Past

As I said I do not watch any for of T20 franchise, I don't care how packed the stadiums are in UAE vs Mumbai, all I do know is IPL is the most corrupt entertaining cricket league in the world, and thank God Pakistan players do no participate in the IPL, and clearly there is no need to. Blessing in disguise. Oh in before you say it, I do not like Pakistan players playing any form of franchise cricket - after all, they're not going to develop their game cos the sole purpose is money and entertainment!

That is fine. T20 cricket and especially franchise T20 cricket is not for everyone.

Now you talk about IPL helping develop young Indian players, fine, but great test players will not be plucked from the IPL, but India's first class cricket structure. Yet you claim the WC is better than the IPL due to history and prestige, but not because of the quality? Are you for real?

You are right that IPL will not produce Test cricketers, and that is BCCI is using the IPL money to re-invest in F/C cricket. As far as the quality is concerned, explained to me in objective terms what makes the quality of cricket in a World Cup better than IPL?

The World Cup is still ODI cricket. You pit all the teams against each other, put a name on the tournament and that is it. It is still ODI cricket, and the only thing that is different is the history and prestige that the name of the trophy carries.

The IPL has world class players, excellent stadiums, excellent pitches, great atmosphere, great crowds, top notch production. There is no aspect in which it is inferior to World Cup cricket. The same players who are playing in the World Cup play in the IPL, the same balls, the same pitches, the same commentators, the same match officials, the same production quality etc. Absolutely no difference. The only difference is of course the significance of the tournament.

Entertainment wise, yeah ok, those fair and lovely cheer leaders, fireworks, bellow average bowling (by young indian prospects), reduced boundary lengths etc - yeah ok, entertainment for the family and kids!

Apart from Pakistan, star bowlers from all major teams have played in the IPL. Starc, Rabada, Steyn, Malinga, Archer, Boult, Cummins, Rashid Khan, Tahir, Zampa and of course the Indian bowlers like Bumrah, Yadav, Chahal, Shami etc. all play or have played IPL in the past. If their presence means the quality of bowling is below average, then so is the quality of bowling in international cricket.

Of course there are weak bowlers in IPL too, but that is the case in international cricket as well. Not every team is filled with world class players.

I don't think anyone denies the financial aspect of the IPL but when a player picks money over their nation, that player needs a wet fish (though I can understand players close to retirement playing in the IPL for fun after his services for his country)

ADB now wants to play in the WC, he received a smackdown, and rightly so! He thought the IPL was bigger than the WC, now realised he actually wants to play in the WC. Why? IPL take place every year! I tell you why - there is nothing bigger than representing your nation in sports, which is why the WC or any tournament including world nations, will be better and remain of higher quality compared to franchise cricket.

I have already explained to you that I have no love for de Villiers' attitude, and in fact, I was one of the first people on this forum who called him out on his **. He chickened out of international cricket when his country needed him the most. Furthermore, transparency is also important. He should have communicated to CSA clearly that he is done with international cricket, instead of taking a break after every series and giving up captaincy. It was obvious he wanted out, but he couldn't muster the courage to call it a day.

Franchise cricket has a weakness - the moment cricket boards offer multi-million central contracts to players, the motive to play IPL is done and dusted, where as with the WC, players are prepared to play for free! Go ask ADB!

That maybe the motive to play in third rate imitations of IPL, but the IPL is a giant and a tremendous platform to announce yourself. It also a great platform for out of favour players to get back into contention. Jon Buttler's performance in IPL 2018 was the major season why he was brought back into the Test side, and he hasn't looked back since.

In fact, this is what Buttler stated:

"Those couple of weeks in the IPL gave me huge amounts of confidence. To be in those pressure situations in India, playing in front of crowds, the pressure of being an overseas player. That showed me a lot about where I was at and where I can get to, so that gave me a lot of confidence."

Yes I know I know. This isn't Buttler speaking - this is his bank account, and he is saying this not because he means it, but because if he doesn't credit IPL for his Test return, he will not be picked in future auctions, it doesn't matter if he is an elite white ball player.

As I said, when it comes to IPL, Pakistani fans are in complete and utter denial. As far as the only factor is concerned, let's see how many players care to turn up for international cricket for free. It is easy to talk about national pride, patriotism, national duty etc. when you are getting paid, but few have the character to play or serve their country for free.

The issue here is you remix your view on the fly whether based on new facts, or new information - you can claim I don't have a grasp on English, but the issue is with your ever changing view. Stick to a single view, don't undermine it, don't smear Pakistan for the sake of it, and who knows we could end up with an entertaining and educational debate!

As I have proved to you, my views have been consistent. The problem has been (1) your reckless reading and (2) your ignorance.

You misinterpreted my views on the popularity of bilateral cricket and you also wrongly assumed that I was agreeing with de Villiers. Furthermore, you were ignorant of the fact that Pakistani players were part of the 2010 IPL auction but were ignored. I am not sure why I even bothered with this low quality discourse. It is hard to have a quality debate when the other person cannot read simply English and doesn't know his facts.

 

[Mamoon]

A single one of those removed would’ve made no difference. I think you’re forgetting who the highest wicket taker in the first edition of the ipl was my friend. Anything can happen in circus leagues

T20 cricket has evolved a lot. Back in 2007-2008, most teams were playing their Test and ODI specialists and the concept of T20 cricketers didn't really exist. Even the likes of Dravid, Laxman and Pujara were playing in IPL 1 and the first few editions, and they wouldn't have come close to getting a contract these days.

The likes of Tanvir, Butt etc. did well in the first season, but the significance of our players would have waned over the years because we had a dip in T20 cricket in early to mid 2010s. Ajmal is probably the only player who would have been a superstar in the IPL.

 

[jewel1985]

AB seems like a very money motivated individual. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just an observation on my part.

His Twitter feed is full of endorsements and plugs for various products.

 

[Hawkeye]

A single one of those removed would’ve made no difference. I think you’re forgetting who the highest wicket taker in the first edition of the ipl was my friend. Anything can happen in circus leagues

You're very eager to call them circus leagues, why are you not ready to accept the fact that all the other circus leagues are way below the 'circus' of IPL?

It's WT20, IPL, then other leagues several levels below.

 

[Hawkeye]

AB seems like a very money motivated individual. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just an observation on my part.

His Twitter feed is full of endorsements and plugs for various products.

The internet obviously gives you the right to be judgmental.

I wonder if you have the same opinion about Messi, Afridi, and all the others who retired and then took back retirement.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

You're very eager to call them circus leagues, why are you not ready to accept the fact that all the other circus leagues are way below the 'circus' of IPL?

It's WT20, IPL, then other leagues several levels below.

Ok I’ll accept that. But a better circus is still a circus to me

 

[Hawkeye]

Ok I’ll accept that. But a better circus is still a circus to me

It's ok, if it's T20s that you find a circus and don't watch any T20 matches, then it's your opinion and taste in cricket.

 

[Varun]

Actions speak louder than words for AB.

His 100 tests notwithstanding.

 

[Technics 1210]

You cannot read blah blah blah

So let me summate. You do not agree with ABD or Morgan, but feel the need to type chapter after chapter defending the IPL and its status being bigger than the world cup in terms of quality.

You fall into your own trap of nonsense ending undermining yourself. The story of your life.

You need help.

 

[Technics 1210]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] now cites Buttler on how the game has improved his confidence, but has previously stated the purpose of the IPL is money and to usher in Indian talent.

You guys are wasting your time with a guy who changes his tune more times than the Spice Girls and believes the IPL is better than the WC in terms of quality, even though says he doesn't agree with ADB et al.

His views are as unpredictable as Pakistan, but his smearing of Pakistan is consistent - which was his sole aim in this thread.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Our resident Indian Chamchaa is actually debating IPL is bigger than the World Cup )

Unless you are a bimbo cheerleader, it’s not .

AB has destroyed any legacy he had , such a shame as SA needed him now but he choose his bank balance over his nation . Pathetic human being

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

As usual, a weak response designed to deliberately ignore the points that I raised.

Let me provide a summary:

- you misinterpreted my views on bilateral cricket. I showed it to you with proof and you predictably ignored.

- you had no idea that Pakistani players were part of the IPL 3 auction but were ignored, so perhaps you should thank me for educating you.

- you refuse to understand that I agree with Morgan (IPL is close to the World Cup) rather than with de Villiers (IPL > World Cup).

- the purpose of IPL is not to help Buttler or Archer or any non-Indian cricketer improve. However, that doesn’t mean that non-Indian players cannot gain anything from it.

It is Limited Overs cricket of the highest quality and it can help you improve as a player or get into form.

- you have also comprehensively failed in explaining how the quality of cricket in World Cup is better. Yes the World Cup is better because of its significance, prestige, importance etc., but purely on cricket terms, there is no difference.

Looking forward to another low quality response.

 

[Mamoon]

Our resident Indian Chamchaa is actually debating IPL is bigger than the World Cup )

Unless you are a bimbo cheerleader, it’s not .

AB has destroyed any legacy he had , such a shame as SA needed him now but he choose his bank balance over his nation . Pathetic human being

Perhaps you should try reading my posts again too. I have explicitly stated that no cricketer, not even Indian players, would prefer to win the IPL over the World Cup and for obvious reasons.

The World Cup is the biggest and most prestigious trophy in cricket. However, purely in terms of the quality of cricket on display, there is no difference between the World Cup and the IPL, and that is why I agree with Morgan that it is the best possible preparation for a World Cup.

You have the same pool of top players, excellent pitches, massive crowds and great atmosphere.

 

[Technics 1210]

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

As usual, a weak response designed to deliberately ignore the points that I raised.

Let me provide a summary:

- you misinterpreted my views on bilateral cricket. I showed it to you with proof and you predictably ignored.

- you had no idea that Pakistani players were part of the IPL 3 auction but were ignored, so perhaps you should thank me for educating you.

- you refuse to understand that I agree with Morgan (IPL is close to the World Cup) rather than with de Villiers (IPL > World Cup).

- the purpose of IPL is not to help Buttler or Archer or any non-Indian cricketer improve. However, that doesn’t mean that non-Indian players cannot gain anything from it.

It is Limited Overs cricket of the highest quality and it can help you improve as a player or get into form.

- you have also comprehensively failed in explaining how the quality of cricket in World Cup is better. Yes the World Cup is better because of its significance, prestige, importance etc., but purely on cricket terms, there is no difference.

Looking forward to another low quality response.

You do not deserve a high quality response given how you change your tune when pulled up on your inconsistencies and smearing attempts.

Carry on believing you do not agree with ADB et al despite writing a novel on why you believe the IPL is bigger than the WC. Everyone can see this.

 

[UP]

Perhaps you should try reading my posts again too. I have explicitly stated that no cricketer, not even Indian players, would prefer to win the IPL over the World Cup and for obvious reasons.

The World Cup is the biggest and most prestigious trophy in cricket. However, purely in terms of the quality of cricket on display, there is no difference between the World Cup and the IPL, and that is why I agree with Morgan that it is the best possible preparation for a World Cup.

You have the same pool of top players, excellent pitches, massive crowds and great atmosphere.

So you are trying to say random Singhs, Unadakats, Pandays, Sainis, Thakurs and other random names produce same quality of cricket that we see in the WC’s? And there is no difference between the quality?

A random Singh > Hafeez for example? ( you said same pool of top players)

IPL has half of successful franchises out of 8 like CSK, MI, KKR and SRH and maybe RCB (because of big names). Others don’t have the same appeal, as they usually don’t do anything.

 

[Ashmal]

However, purely in terms of the quality of cricket on display, there is no difference between the World Cup and the IPL, and that is why I agree with Morgan that it is the best possible preparation for a World Cup.

Yeah IPL is as good as the WC. Obviously, facing the likes of Unadkat, Kaul, Dinda, Umesh and some unknown Indian domestic players (no offense) is the same as facing Starc, Cummins, Amir, Wahab etc in the high-pressure WC games.

 

[Mamoon]

So you are trying to say random Singhs, Unadakats, Pandays, Sainis, Thakurs and other random names produce same quality of cricket that we see in the WC’s? And there is no difference between the quality?

A random Singh > Hafeez for example? ( you said same pool of top players)

IPL has half of successful franchises out of 8 like CSK, MI, KKR and SRH and maybe RCB (because of big names). Others don’t have the same appeal, as they usually don’t do anything.

There are poor players in international cricket as well. For example, more than half of the current players in Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and even Pakistan will go unsold in an IPL auction.

However, there are certain players in IPL who don’t get picked in international cricket, so it balances out.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah IPL is as good as the WC. Obviously, facing the likes of Unadkat, Kaul, Dinda, Umesh and some unknown Indian domestic players (no offense) is the same as facing Starc, Cummins, Amir, Wahab etc in the high-pressure WC games.

Starc and Cummins play IPL as well, and someone like Wahab will probably go unsold in an auction.

Look at the current Sri Lanka squad. Is this high quality cricket?

No tournament can only have top players. You will always have some mediocre players too, whether it is the World Cup or the IPL.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Perhaps you should try reading my posts again too. I have explicitly stated that no cricketer, not even Indian players, would prefer to win the IPL over the World Cup and for obvious reasons.

The World Cup is the biggest and most prestigious trophy in cricket. However, purely in terms of the quality of cricket on display, there is no difference between the World Cup and the IPL, and that is why I agree with Morgan that it is the best possible preparation for a World Cup.

You have the same pool of top players, excellent pitches, massive crowds and great atmosphere.

Ipl cannot be better quality as most of the Indian players (barring internationals )will not make it into any other top 8 national side .

Great atmosphere is Lords on a summers day not Indians jumping & down like children but you will give your left arm to big up India