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"I think IPL is better than the World Cup" : AB de Villiers

KingKhanWC said:
Ipl cannot be better quality as most of the Indian players (barring internationals )will not make it into any other top 8 national side .

Great atmosphere is Lords on a summers day not Indians jumping & down like children but you will give your left arm to big up India
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Most of these Indian players are better than the Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi, Afghani players who are playing in this World Cup.

Maybe as a Brown Sahib, you prefer the English atmosphere - the suits, hats and cigars, but the atmosphere in the subcontinent has a different flavor.
 
No it’s not. And AB D you’re a ***** for saying such pathetic statement.

A wise man once said. “Wealth and greed are roots of all evils” - Hazrat Ali (ra).

Here in AB’s case, money and the greed for money and wealth has made him go against playing for his country. As if he isn’t rich enough to support/feed his fam, so don’t give me this crap about one needing to look after fam to feed. How much does he need billion? Am sure he is already a multi millionaire and there’s people living out there without basics.
 
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Mamoon said:
There are poor players in international cricket as well. For example, more than half of the current players in Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and even Pakistan will go unsold in an IPL auction.

However, there are certain players in IPL who don’t get picked in international cricket, so it balances out.
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Poor players are everywhere. But to say that the domestic cricket league is better or comparable to the WC is just utter nonsense. You can put millions of people into stadiums of domestic matches but it will never compare the international matches. It is just the way it is. Just like you can play with nature but you cant change the nature. We know you are the Indian fan but please save us from essays when you defend your homeland.

You post good stuff most of the time but your hatred towards Pak irks majority of people here. This is PakPassion not IndPassion. Whatever India touches turns into gold and whatever Pak touches turns into dust. Have some sense when you post hate.
 
Mamoon said:
Most of these Indian players are better than the Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi, Afghani players who are playing in this World Cup.

Maybe as a Brown Sahib, you prefer the English atmosphere - the suits, hats and cigars, but the atmosphere in the subcontinent has a different flavor.
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I wrote top 8. So I assume you feel Afghan is in the top 8 , case closed .lol

The atmosphere in the sub continued is lame , they cheer a four as if they won the World Cup . I recall once watching an Indian test match the crowd went crazy over a no ball thinking it was w free hit :)) . But I guess whatever floats your Indian subservient boat , give me Lords any day .
 
Mamoon said:
Most of these Indian players are better than the Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi, Afghani players who are playing in this World Cup.

Maybe as a Brown Sahib, you prefer the English atmosphere - the suits, hats and cigars, but the atmosphere in the subcontinent has a different flavor.
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:))) The Indian international team who play in the IPL, yes, NOT the IPL 3rd grade Indian cricketers who are in the IPL just to make up the numbers!
 
Mamoon said:
Starc and Cummins play IPL as well, and someone like Wahab will probably go unsold in an auction.

Look at the current Sri Lanka squad. Is this high quality cricket?

No tournament can only have top players. You will always have some mediocre players too, whether it is the World Cup or the IPL.
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Yes, the current SL squad is not the best and they will most probably go unsold in the auction. But that's solely due to the format (limited foreign players).

This doesn't mean that these players are in any way inferior to the domestic Indian players like the unadkats, kauls, hoodas and co.

No way a domestic league can match the quality of WC teams.
 
Here is a litmus test - ask [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who won the IPL in the last 11 editions, now ask him who won the WC since 1975. :))) This simple test not only proves why the WC is bigger and better than the WC, but also proves Mamoon is simply blowing smoke! For extra points, you could ask the same question to cricket fans, and the result will be the same.

But no, Mamoon is trying to convince us that the IPL is bigger, better, and of higher quality compared to the WC - but in the same breath disagrees with ADB/Morgan's comments!

:)))
 
Ab Fan said:
When you get tired, it means your heart is no longer there. If I still have passion for anything and my heart is there, I won't get tired on that.
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Yea because his constant exits and humiliation with South Africa take a toll mentally and he couldn’t handle it any longer. And now he made a last ditch attempt to make a comeback and was denied so is even more bitter.

Similarly he gets humiliated in IPL every year I believe and that has not had any toll and he probably forgets about it in a few days if he cares at all.

As Steyn once said IPL for them is like a paid vacation
 
Mamoon said:
There is no reason for de Villiers to say that IPL is better than the World Cup and for Morgan to say that it is as close as you can get to the World Cup.

de Villiers is IPL's biggest overseas star and he does not have to say stuff like this to stay relevant. His IPL performances, and the respect that he has among the Indian fans is more than enough. De Villiers has been a constant in the IPL since the first edition. He is one of the biggest architects of its success and has seen it evolve into the giant that it is today.

Morgan has been unsold in the IPL since 2017, so there goes the theory that it is money talking. In March 2019, two months after he was left unsold, he stated that IPL was the ideal preparation for the World Cup. Yesterday, in the pre-match presser, he stated that he was not worried about Archer handling pressure of the World Cup because he has played in the IPL which is a high-intensity tournament with a lot of pressure to perform.

He has not earned a dime from the IPL for two years, in fact he has been humiliated. England have been one of the top Limited Overs sides in the world for 4 years now, but the IPL franchises do not deem their captain good enough to even be picked in the auction. However, that has not deterred him from stating that it is a great tournament that is as good as it gets when it comes to preparing players for the World Cup.

Do you actually think that yesterday during the pre-match presser, he was thinking about the IPL auction next year?

I am sorry to say this, but Pakistani fans are in extreme denial when it comes to the IPL and its importance in the game today. They just cannot accept or make peace with the fact that IPL is not just another franchise league and players actually consider it superior to other T20 leagues.

They have somehow convinced themselves that whenever any cricketer will praise the IPL, it must be because of money only.
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AB is just hurt and bitter that he was denied a last minute chance to make a comeback for South Africa and is talking it out this way.

His constant humiliations with South Africa took a mental toll and time and again he talks about the anguish of his World Cup exits. Similarly he is humiliated at IPL every year with Kohlis team never winning but it barely registers for him and certainly has never publicly expressed any deep disappointment.

AB knows that IPL prestige is nowhere close to the World Cup and probably this came from a hurt place and as a coping mechanism. Interestingly the timeline of the statement is same timeframe as when he was denied a comeback by South Africa.
 
ABD realizes that public opinion about him is at an all time role and he will forever be remembered as someone who ditched South African Cricket when they needed him the most after all that they did for him. His recent performances confirm it all
 
Slog said:
AB is just hurt and bitter that he was denied a last minute chance to make a comeback for South Africa and is talking it out this way.

His constant humiliations with South Africa took a mental toll and time and again he talks about the anguish of his World Cup exits. Similarly he is humiliated at IPL every year with Kohlis team never winning but it barely registers for him and certainly has never publicly expressed any deep disappointment.

AB knows that IPL prestige is nowhere close to the World Cup and probably this came from a hurt place and as a coping mechanism. Interestingly the timeline of the statement is same timeframe as when he was denied a comeback by South Africa.
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Maybe he said what he said out of spite, and I don't agree with him, but players do rate IPL very highly. I think Morgan is quite spot on with his assessment.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Here is a litmus test - ask [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who won the IPL in the last 11 editions, now ask him who won the WC since 1975. :))) This simple test not only proves why the WC is bigger and better than the WC, but also proves Mamoon is simply blowing smoke! For extra points, you could ask the same question to cricket fans, and the result will be the same.

But no, Mamoon is trying to convince us that the IPL is bigger, better, and of higher quality compared to the WC - but in the same breath disagrees with ADB/Morgan's comments!

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Your litmus test is meaningless. Whether I list all the IPL winners here or take help from google, it won't make any difference. There is no way I can prove that I didn't cheat. Hence, your litmus test is more of a pointless test.

I am actually arguing against the notion that the IPL is bigger than the World Cup. It clearly is not, and that is why I said that no player in the world, including Indians, would prefer to win the IPL over the World Cup.

However, when it comes to quality of cricket itself, IPL is every bit as good as the World Cup, which is why I agree with Morgan that playing in the IPL is the ideal preparation for the World Cup.
 
Ashmal said:
Yes, the current SL squad is not the best and they will most probably go unsold in the auction. But that's solely due to the format (limited foreign players).

This doesn't mean that these players are in any way inferior to the domestic Indian players like the unadkats, kauls, hoodas and co.

No way a domestic league can match the quality of WC teams.
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IPL is not just a domestic league. It is international cricket in franchise form.

Barring injuries and suspensions, pretty much 90% of the top Limited Overs players from Australia, England, New Zealand, India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Afghanistan play in the IPL, which makes the quality on par with international cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
Your litmus test is meaningless. Whether I list all the IPL winners here or take help from google, it won't make any difference. There is no way I can prove that I didn't cheat. Hence, your litmus test is more of a pointless test.

I am actually arguing against the notion that the IPL is bigger than the World Cup. It clearly is not, and that is why I said that no player in the world, including Indians, would prefer to win the IPL over the World Cup.

However, when it comes to quality of cricket itself, IPL is every bit as good as the World Cup, which is why I agree with Morgan that playing in the IPL is the ideal preparation for the World Cup.
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IPL is a T20 format and the WC is played in a 50 over format. How can you prepare for the ODI wc by participating in a domestic T20 league?
 
Technics 1210 said:
:))) The Indian international team who play in the IPL, yes, NOT the IPL 3rd grade Indian cricketers who are in the IPL just to make up the numbers!
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There are several Indian players in the IPL like Uthappa, Gill, Shaw, Ishan Kishan, Nitish Rana, Hooda, Samson, as well as a few young pacers, who are not regulars in the Indian team but would easily walk into the Afghanistan team and even Sri Lanka.
 
UP said:
IPL is a T20 format and the WC is played in a 50 over format. How can you prepare for the ODI wc by participating in a domestic T20 league?
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Because it is played at a higher intensity than bilateral ODI and T20 cricket. The atmosphere is electric with packed crowds, and you are faced with the pressure of performing in knockout games.
 
Mamoon said:
IPL is not just a domestic league. It is international cricket in franchise form.

Barring injuries and suspensions, pretty much 90% of the top Limited Overs players from Australia, England, New Zealand, India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Afghanistan play in the IPL, which makes the quality on par with international cricket.
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Erm, no it is still a domestic league. You can Google the definition of domestic and international terms.

Hales, Watson, Morgan, McCullum, Gayle, Russell, Bravo, Sammy, Rossouw and many more have played for PSL but it is still considered a domestic tournament for Pak.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I wrote top 8. So I assume you feel Afghan is in the top 8 , case closed .lol

The atmosphere in the sub continued is lame , they cheer a four as if they won the World Cup . I recall once watching an Indian test match the crowd went crazy over a no ball thinking it was w free hit :)) . But I guess whatever floats your Indian subservient boat , give me Lords any day .
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As a Brown Sahib, you can find the subcontinent atmosphere lame, but for others, it is the opposite. You should be broad-minded enough to acknowledge that although the Indian crowd may not meet your fine standard, they are still more than capable of producing an electric atmosphere.
 
Mamoon said:
Because it is played at a higher intensity than bilateral ODI and T20 cricket. The atmosphere is electric with packed crowds, and you are faced with the pressure of performing in knockout games.
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Packed crowd is a fair point.

So you are trying to say AB or Boult will play with more intensity for a private franchise than for their country? And there are only 3-4 knockout games in a 60 match tournament.

As I said earlier, IPL has 4 noteworthy franchises and the rest have done nothing for a long time.
 
UP said:
Erm, no it is still a domestic league. You can Google the definition of domestic and international terms.

Hales, Watson, Morgan, McCullum, Gayle, Russell, Bravo, Sammy, Rossouw and many more have played for PSL but it is still considered a domestic tournament for Pak.
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Definition means nothing. IPL is the only league in the world where the vast majority of the current top players participate, and that itself makes it of international standard.

PSL like BPL and CPL has had some quality players, but the overall roster isn't comparable to IPL.

If all the main, non-retired players from Australia, India, England, South Africa, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Afghanistan play in the PSL, it will become international standard as well.

It all comes down to the quality of players at your disposal. If your league has all the main International players, your league is automatically international standard, regardless of its domestic status.
 
Mamoon said:
Because it is played at a higher intensity than bilateral ODI and T20 cricket. The atmosphere is electric with packed crowds, and you are faced with the pressure of performing in knockout games.
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Plus don't forget the unadkats,dinda, Vinay etc who can only be found in IPL such a shame that these atgs don't play international since they are too good for it.
 
UP said:
Packed crowd is a fair point.

So you are trying to say AB or Boult will play with more intensity for a private franchise than for their country? And there are only 3-4 knockout games in a 60 match tournament.

As I said earlier, IPL has 4 noteworthy franchises and the rest have done nothing for a long time.
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IPL is a tournament and the intensity is different in tournaments compared to a series. Someone like de Villiers would be under more pressure in an IPL play-off than in the first ODI of a series with Sri Lanka for example.

Also, players give their 100% in IPL because they have to keep their contracts. The pressure of maintaining their place in the squad is very high. Each IPL contract is worth a life changing amount, and no player is going to risk it by not giving his best because he is only motivated to give his best for his country.

For that matter, players in the PSL give their best as well. When de Villiers played for Lahore Qalandars, he was surely trying as hard as he does for RCB. At the end of the day, they are professionals.

Yes, teams like Delhi, Punjab and RCB have underperformed in IPL. However, so what? Even in international cricket, half of the sides are usually mediocre as well.
 
Khan12 said:
Plus don't forget the unadkats,dinda, Vinay etc who can only be found in IPL such a shame that these atgs don't play international since they are too good for it.
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There is also a lot of trash in international cricket as well.
 
Mamoon said:
There are several Indian players in the IPL like Uthappa, Gill, Shaw, Ishan Kishan, Nitish Rana, Hooda, Samson, as well as a few young pacers, who are not regulars in the Indian team but would easily walk into the Afghanistan team and even Sri Lanka.
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Riiiiggghhhtt.

Look, you want to believe the IPL is better than the WC in terms of quality etc, while disagreeing with ADB et al, then fine. I am not here to convince you otherwise, but even the ardent fans of IPL would take a WC champion title over an IPL champion title.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Such as?
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Most of the Sri Lankan, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe squads except a handful of players. Even Pakistan have given international caps to players like Rafatullah Mohmand and Shakeel Ansar, who were never worthy of IPL contracts at any point.
 
Mamoon said:
IPL is a tournament and the intensity is different in tournaments compared to a series. Someone like de Villiers would be under more pressure in an IPL play-off than in the first ODI of a series with Sri Lanka for example.

Also, players give their 100% in IPL because they have to keep their contracts. The pressure of maintaining their place in the squad is very high. Each IPL contract is worth a life changing amount, and no player is going to risk it by not giving his best because he is only motivated to give his best for his country.

For that matter, players in the PSL give their best as well. When de Villiers played for Lahore Qalandars, he was surely trying as hard as he does for RCB. At the end of the day, they are professionals.

Yes, teams like Delhi, Punjab and RCB have underperformed in IPL. However, so what? Even in international cricket, half of the sides are usually mediocre as well.
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So you are comparing a first match of the series with a playoff knockout game?

And a player of a Boult or AB calibre has to worry about competing with contracts with a random Thakur, Saini or Dinda?

Their names are big enough to grab big contracts so thats why they dont have to show off their intensity for a private franchise.
 
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Mamoon said:
Maybe he said what he said out of spite, and I don't agree with him, but players do rate IPL very highly. I think Morgan is quite spot on with his assessment.
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So let me get this straight. Are you saying that:

While WC is a higher prestige than the IPL, the quality of cricket in both is comparable? If yes then I would agree until the semi finals (or whatever ipl equivalent is for knockouts). However I cannot agree that the pressure is comparable. A defeat at a crucial match in WC stays with you but I’ve never even heard indian fans discuss much about ipl finals or reminisce about them. IPL is basically cricket entertainment played at a very good level but to say that it has built up it own prestige comparable to the international game is laughworthy in my opinion.

A Ben Stokes or Dale Steyn care about the IPL because they are competitors and there is personal pride. So they want to do well in any cricket tournament they play no matter what the stakes. And also because their contracts are linked to performance but that’s a secondary thing.

However I will give you this. An IPL success is definitely more important than a random bilateral T20 series win and the quality is higher which is why I don’t put much stock into any rankings in that format.

How I personally see is is the following: Any international ODI or Test match is more prestigious than the IPL. But in T20s, IPL is higher than any bilateral series and only WT20 is higher level. Quite like domestic European football leagues are more important than random friendlies but a WC or Euro trumps all. But even then it’s not apples to apples. Many Arsenal fans would prefer Arsenal to win the league and England to lose in the WC but a Mumbai Indian fan wouldn’t accept the same wager.
 
Slog said:
So let me get this straight. Are you saying that:

While WC is a higher prestige than the IPL, the quality of cricket in both is comparable? If yes then I would agree until the semi finals (or whatever ipl equivalent is for knockouts). However I cannot agree that the pressure is comparable. A defeat at a crucial match in WC stays with you but I’ve never even heard indian fans discuss much about ipl finals or reminisce about them. IPL is basically cricket entertainment played at a very good level but to say that it has built up it own prestige comparable to the international game is laughworthy in my opinion.

A Ben Stokes or Dale Steyn care about the IPL because they are competitors and there is personal pride. So they want to do well in any cricket tournament they play no matter what the stakes. And also because their contracts are linked to performance but that’s a secondary thing.

However I will give you this. An IPL success is definitely more important than a random bilateral T20 series win and the quality is higher which is why I don’t put much stock into any rankings in that format.

How I personally see is is the following: Any international ODI or Test match is more prestigious than the IPL. But in T20s, IPL is higher than any bilateral series and only WT20 is higher level. Quite like domestic European football leagues are more important than random friendlies but a WC or Euro trumps all. But even then it’s not apples to apples. Many Arsenal fans would prefer Arsenal to win the league and England to lose in the WC but a Mumbai Indian fan wouldn’t accept the same wager.
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I pretty much agree with this.
 
I don’t wanna abuse this guy but what Gibson and rashid latif said about him is the bitter truth. He never wanted to play and that was it he’s just doing dramey like pakistani players to stay in the lime light
 
UP said:
So you are comparing a first match of the series with a playoff knockout game?

And a player of a Boult or AB calibre has to worry about competing with contracts with a random Thakur, Saini or Dinda?

Their names are big enough to grab big contracts so thats why they dont have to show off their intensity for a private franchise.
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I am comparing the pressure and intensity of a bilateral ODI or a T20 series with the IPL.

Secondly, IPL franchises are getting quite ruthless. Morgan, the captain of one of the leading Limited Overs sides in the last few years, has been unsold in the last two editions. IPL is probably the only league that can reject players like Morgan and Root and Guptill even when they are available. These are international stars at the peak of their powers.

At this point, IPL is too big for it to cater to non-performing players no matter how big. The only exceptions are the Indian players. Someone like Kohli doesn't need to perform to keep his contract.
 
Mamoon said:
I am comparing the pressure and intensity of a bilateral ODI or a T20 series with the IPL.

Secondly, IPL franchises are getting quite ruthless. Morgan, the captain of one of the leading Limited Overs sides in the last few years, has been unsold in the last two editions. IPL is probably the only league that can reject players like Morgan and Root and Guptill even when they are available. These are international stars at the peak of their powers.

At this point, IPL is too big for it to cater to non-performing players no matter how big. The only exceptions are the Indian players. Someone like Kohli doesn't need to perform to keep his contract.
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You cant compare a bilateral ODI series pressure or intensity with a T20 league. Completely different formats. You are hilarious comparing a first match of an ODI series with a knockout T20 game :yk

Guptill played in 2019 IPL for SRH. Root is not a T20 player. And I dont know about Morgan, will have to ditch in more details about him before I post.
 
Mamoon said:
Most of the Sri Lankan, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe squads except a handful of players. Even Pakistan have given international caps to players like Rafatullah Mohmand and Shakeel Ansar, who were never worthy of IPL contracts at any point.
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If unadkats dinda etc can be given one then anyone could get it.
 
Mamoon said:
IPL is not just a domestic league. It is international cricket in franchise form.

Barring injuries and suspensions, pretty much 90% of the top Limited Overs players from Australia, England, New Zealand, India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Afghanistan play in the IPL, which makes the quality on par with international cricket.
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So Lahore lions were on par with international sides
 
Mamoon said:
IPL is not just a domestic league. It is international cricket in franchise form.

Barring injuries and suspensions, pretty much 90% of the top Limited Overs players from Australia, England, New Zealand, India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Afghanistan play in the IPL, which makes the quality on par with international cricket.
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Mamoon said:
There is also a lot of trash in international cricket as well.
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Technics 1210 said:
Such as?
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Mamoon said:
Most of the Sri Lankan, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe squads except a handful of players. Even Pakistan have given international caps to players like Rafatullah Mohmand and Shakeel Ansar, who were never worthy of IPL contracts at any point.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] vs Everyone trying to pointlessly defend an Indian domestic league when even the resident Indians would also concede that ABD comments are nothing more than an attempt at brown nosing.

Shah se zaida Shah ke Wafadar hi usay le dubatay hain
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] btw, who is Shakeel Ansar? According to you he has already played for Pak.
 
Vegitto1 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] vs Everyone trying to pointlessly defend an Indian domestic league when even the resident Indians would also concede that ABD comments are nothing more than an attempt at brown nosing.

Shah se zaida Shah ke Wafadar hi usay le dubatay hain
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According to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] its an International tournament.
 
Mamoon said:
Most of the Sri Lankan, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe squads except a handful of players. Even Pakistan have given international caps to players like Rafatullah Mohmand and Shakeel Ansar, who were never worthy of IPL contracts at any point.
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To further support your point, look at how India A did against Sri Lanka A in this match a few days ago. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...-2nd-unofficial-odi-sri-lanka-a-in-india-2019

That's a Sri Lankan team with several capped players.
 
B'lore is like his second home, but he is wrong. IPL is not fully professional yet and the standard is not of the highest level. The tournament feels like rushed and exhausted.
 
Alot of people having a go at abd for saying ipl is better than the wc but i think they are misunderstanding what he means.



Abd means ipl is better than the wc to him(FINANCIALLY)!
 
AB has a right to his opinion. His statement is subjective. If you don't agree, then ask him to be objective.
Like ask him, in what aspect??
 
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UP said:
You cant compare a bilateral ODI series pressure or intensity with a T20 league. Completely different formats. You are hilarious comparing a first match of an ODI series with a knockout T20 game :yk

Guptill played in 2019 IPL for SRH. Root is not a T20 player. And I dont know about Morgan, will have to ditch in more details about him before I post.
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Root is not a T20 player, but he is still a huge name at the peak of his powers. BBL were happy to snap him up and if he is available for PSL, the franchises wouldn't think twice before signing him. Same goes for Morgan, who has been left unsold in the auction in 2018 and 2019.

I am comparing the intensity of bilateral ODIs and bilateral T20s with the IPL, and the IPL is better. That is why I agree with Morgan that playing in the IPL is the best possible preparation for a World Cup. Playing in do or die IPL matches, play-offs as well as the final is the closest that you can get to World Cup pressure these days.
 
Vegitto1 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] vs Everyone trying to pointlessly defend an Indian domestic league when even the resident Indians would also concede that ABD comments are nothing more than an attempt at brown nosing.

Shah se zaida Shah ke Wafadar hi usay le dubatay hain
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IPL is an Indian domestic league in name only. All the top Limited Overs players in the world play in it, which makes it international standard. Plus, it is the only league that can reject the likes of Morgan, Root, Amla, Guptill etc.
 
Technics 1210 said:
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The key word is 'MOST' of Sri Lanka, Afghanistan etc.

They do have a few of excellent players like Rashid, Mujeeb, Malinga etc., but most of their players are not good enough to play in the IPL, even though they play in international cricket.
 
Finisher said:
So Lahore lions were on par with international sides
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I think at one point, around the late 2000s, Lahore Lions had 5-6 Pakistan regulars in the side, and this was at a time when Pakistan was legitimetely one of the elite T20 sides, unlike the fake team of today.

That Lahore Lions team was definitely international standard. Now imagine a league where all the teams are of similar calibre. How will that league not be of international quality?

If Pakistan joins the IPL as the 9th franchise, I guarantee you that they will not lift the trophy.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Here is a litmus test - ask [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who won the IPL in the last 11 editions, now ask him who won the WC since 1975. :))) This simple test not only proves why the WC is bigger and better than the WC, but also proves Mamoon is simply blowing smoke! For extra points, you could ask the same question to cricket fans, and the result will be the same.

But no, Mamoon is trying to convince us that the IPL is bigger, better, and of higher quality compared to the WC - but in the same breath disagrees with ADB/Morgan's comments!

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I read [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 's post and in none of his posts he said the IPL is bigger or better than the World Cup. In fact he said he doesn't agree with AB.

Why are you making up stuff?

IPL being high quality is a different matter (and the truth).
 
Mamoon said:
I am comparing the pressure and intensity of a bilateral ODI or a T20 series with the IPL.

Secondly, IPL franchises are getting quite ruthless. Morgan, the captain of one of the leading Limited Overs sides in the last few years, has been unsold in the last two editions. IPL is probably the only league that can reject players like Morgan and Root and Guptill even when they are available. These are international stars at the peak of their powers.

At this point, IPL is too big for it to cater to non-performing players no matter how big. The only exceptions are the Indian players. Someone like Kohli doesn't need to perform to keep his contract.
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Lol. Packed crowds and big name players are primary features of BPL too. So BPL=IPl>WC
 
IPL is a 20 over league while the WC is a 50 over format, the comparison is not warranted.

I think the recent developments of AB wanting to sneak in to the WC squad show which competition matters the most to the fan, the players and the cricketing world.
 
AB is not wrong. IPL is the greatest thing after WC, so for players who probably will never win the WC, IPL is their greatest chance for glory, success and personal financial reward. It's no different than club football, majority of those nationalities players will never be a true contenders for national WC, thus club football is everything for majority of football players. This is gonna be the reality for more players joining cricket around the world....
 
De Viliers actually meant IPL is better then CWC19. He probably knew rain will wash out crucial matches. :P
 
someone21 said:
AB is not wrong. IPL is the greatest thing after WC, so for players who probably will never win the WC, IPL is their greatest chance for glory, success and personal financial reward. It's no different than club football, majority of those nationalities players will never be a true contenders for national WC, thus club football is everything for majority of football players. This is gonna be the reality for more players joining cricket around the world....
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Except AB did not say the IPL is the greatest thing after the WC, he said he believes the IPL IS bigger than the WC, which makes you wrong.

Thanks for playing.
 
MRSN said:
Lol. Packed crowds and big name players are primary features of BPL too. So BPL=IPl>WC
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There is no comparison between IPL and other copy-cat leagues. The main difference is the quality of players on display - unlike other leagues, nearly every top international cricketer plays. It obviously has a lot to do with the fact that IPL has a dedicated window in the cricket calendar, which of course is a result of BCCI's smart decision-making and competence.
 
Former South African international and Royal Challengers player AB de Villiers said during a show on local Indian media:

“It [the IPL] certainly is [the centrepiece of cricket]. It’s grown from strength to strength over the years. It’s not only the biggest cricket league in the world; I think it’s one of the biggest sports leagues in the world, which is quite something to have been achieved over such a short period. We’ve seen it really explode over the last few years."

“The performances the players put in really make them household names. And some of the foreigners coming over here get to understand a bit more about the Indian culture and also become household names over here. So it’s truly remarkable. It’s a great opportunity for all players, and not only players but administrators and everyone, to get involved. And I think the cricket fans have really enjoyed it over the years.”
 
A domestic league can't be better than World Cup. If it is, there is something wrong with the sport and/or how it is being run.
 
IPL is like French Fries while World Cup is like a nice steak.

You can't really compare the two, unless you only care about cheap money.
 
lol been on the forum for 10 years and every year I see posts bringing IPL down , just get over it , its only a league for consumption of India and players across the world love the admiration and financial security.
 
He isn't referring to the worth of the trophy here. World Cup will always be bigger than IPL. ABD's point is purely on the basis of craze and support his team receives within Bangalore, particularly Virat and him, it's just unprecedented despite not winning the IPL trophy.
 
Ab Fan said:
He isn't referring to the worth of the trophy here. World Cup will always be bigger than IPL. ABD's point is purely on the basis of craze and support his team receives within Bangalore, particularly Virat and him, it's just unprecedented despite not winning the IPL trophy.
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IPL final happened infront 105,000 people. World cup final at the same venue that too involving India had 92000 people.
 
sweep_shot said:
A domestic league can't be better than World Cup. If it is, there is something wrong with the sport and/or how it is being run.
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This for sure. The shift of fans in India for example, is happening towards IPL. I am sure IPL fills up stadiums much more than an India test series. Ind-Eng for example.

There is no question where priorities of players from many countries are.

ICC is to blame for this shift away from international cricket. They just sit around do nothing while the IPL runs away far ahead leaving international cricket behind.
 
Ab Fan said:
He isn't referring to the worth of the trophy here. World Cup will always be bigger than IPL. ABD's point is purely on the basis of craze and support his team receives within Bangalore, particularly Virat and him, it's just unprecedented despite not winning the IPL trophy.
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What?

Does this ''worth'' fall down from the sky?

NBA is always worth more than Olympic medal in basketball.
 
Ab DeVilliers looking for a coaching gig I guess? IPL is just a league and World Cup is a World Cup.
 
AMSS said:
You think NBA is worth more than an olympic medal only in terms of revenue? Lmao!
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I was talking about IPL and World Cup here. As for NBA, I think for non US players, Olympic medal remains the biggest accomplishment.
 
Ah this thread is gold, ABD’s biggest clown statement of his cricketing life and trust me he has made a few.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
IPL can't even match the caliber of Laliga let alone being the best one.
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La liga has history of 95 years and IPL is just 17 years old. Wait for next 20 year when indian economy goes to top 3 then la liga will be nothing infront of IPL even IPL will be 30 year old .
 
U$ofA said:
This for sure. The shift of fans in India for example, is happening towards IPL. I am sure IPL fills up stadiums much more than an India test series. Ind-Eng for example.

There is no question where priorities of players from many countries are.

ICC is to blame for this shift away from international cricket. They just sit around do nothing while the IPL runs away far ahead leaving international cricket behind.
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You're right. I'm not a T20 guy myself but I was really surprised when my 15 year old cousin wasn't aware that there was a T20 world cup coming up this year. He could however rattle off every auction purchase/trade made made by his Hyderabad team this season and though I didn't ask him about it, possibly by every other team as well. Only when I pushed him did he acknowledge being vaguely aware of the tournament being this year.

I could understand him not particularly caring about test matches but to not be aware of the T20 world cup made me think. Especially since fans like him are going to be the lifeblood of Cricket in the future. They have to pay for the TV money the ICC makes and distributes to all teams.

Could we be heading for a world of leagues where international cricket is a sideshow? Of course, I've been aware of the possibility but only as something vaguely in the future. If we reach a stage where we're talking a 6 month window for IPL each year and 3 months for International cricket sprinkled in between like it is in Football, it'll be a bit letdown for me since I have no genuine loyalties in league cricket and only barely watch it.
 
Look at it from ABDV perspective. SENA cricketers are semi anonymous in their countries. I am in the UK and if England win a T20 WC it wouldn't be big news.

They go to India and they are mobbed by adoring fans. They get to play the game they love in front of massive crowds and make big money in the process.

Being appreciated breeds appreciation in return.

Yes money is a factor but in India it's not just money. People passionately love the game too.

So for a sportsman who has dedicated his life to his craft it's just the perfect atmosphere.
 
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