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"I want to put in some consistent performances for Pakistan" : Saud Shakeel [VIDEO #243]

Scored 78 vs Habib Bank in Round 6 and in the process has quietly moved up to 8th leading run scorer in this season’s QeA.

In 11 innings he has now scored 417 runs, with 3 50s and 1 100s. The problem he has though are his single digits scores which have dragged down his season's average to 38. Needs to work on that.

Another 70 odd in round 7, which is great to see.

4 50s and 1 100 in 13 innings on these pitches is a good return.

It's great to see him performing this year, although like I mentioned before his single digit scores are hurting his average though.

He is such a special talent and will become a mainstay of the middle order if given a proper chance. Inzi should keep selecting him for any A tours.
 
Another 70 odd in round 7, which is great to see.

4 50s and 1 100 in 13 innings on these pitches is a good return.

It's great to see him performing this year, although like I mentioned before his single digit scores are hurting his average though.

He is such a special talent and will become a mainstay of the middle order if given a proper chance. Inzi should keep selecting him for any A tours.

Honestly looking at pitches this season, it is an achievement to get to double figures lol
 
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He's not that special. He reminds me of the tailender Azhar Ali, he might get some good scores, but never good enough
 
he is better strokes maker than AZHAR.

I'm a better stroke maker than Azhar, that's not saying much

He's still not good enough. Poor average, not even in the 50's. Umar Amin is far better. So is Khurram Manzoor
 
I'm a better stroke maker than Azhar, that's not saying much

He's still not good enough. Poor average, not even in the 50's. Umar Amin is far better. So is Khurram Manzoor

ok bro u just watch and check stats but there are more things to consider,watch the above video and try to compare it with KHurram manzoor but definitely not with umar amin who is better.
 
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Pure class. The kind of batsmen you'd pay to watch all day. Hope he makes it.
 
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If the video said it was of a young Saeed Anwar, I would have been fooled. Splitting image of Saeed's strokeplay through the offside. Unfortunately didn't see any of the onside wristy stuff that Saeed also did so gloriously.
 
I'm a better stroke maker than Azhar, that's not saying much

He's still not good enough. Poor average, not even in the 50's. Umar Amin is far better. So is Khurram Manzoor

Umar Amin's FC avg - 39
Khurram Manzoor's FC avg - 36

Apparently, you like players who either average in 50s or in 30s.
 
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Who is the bowler at :55 min mark? - Is that Sadaf Hussain? - He looks like a 125k trundler, who can hardly run ;-)
 
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Great balance and good, crisp shots. Kind of reminds me of Yuvraj Singh.
 
Lack of footwork in drives, will be caught in slips more often than not, probably why he has a low average? Poor player
 
Lack of footwork in drives, will be caught in slips more often than not, probably why he has a low average? Poor player

He seems to have made some changes in his technique from the last time i saw him. Surely he had better footwork than this when he started. Need to see more of him now. 1 minute clip hardly shows anything.
 
I think I should convert to your clan. Apparently, stats denialists have speed guns in their eyes.
Of course your eyes aren't able to tell you the exact speed of a bowler, but thankfully they can differentiate between a trundler and someone bowling with decent pace.
 
He is slow. Wahab is quicker and more dangerous on normal pitches

People seem to think good pace and gorgeous drives can be good indicators of performance in internationals, just because some of the iconic players had them in their arsenal. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I can name numerous players who had exactly those and still failed to make a mark. On the contrary, I can't think of players (from the top of my head), who can be classified as good
great international players, but had mediocre stats.
 
Of course your eyes aren't able to tell you the exact speed of a bowler, but thankfully they can differentiate between a trundler and someone bowling with decent pace.

If you don't mind, can you list a few players who have mediocre stats in domestics, but whom you think will do good if given a chance?
 
If you don't mind, can you list a few players who have mediocre stats in domestics, but whom you think will do good if given a chance?
Ahmed Bashir is ready, and his stats are far from mediocre. The rest whom I believe can make it at the top level aren't polished enough to be considered in the foreseeable future.

In terms of batsman Zeeshan Malik is one, but I do expect those averages to improve once he gets into the groove.
 
Hater, FC average of 18. :shh Stats are the only parameter of selection.

You are a good poster but turning out to be very stubborn.

These are the players you wrote off before their start but they are doing ok.

Faheem (The best lower order hitter in Pakistan, Azhar Mehmood has praised him highly)
Abbas (Avg of 23 despite playing in WI and UAE)
Fakhar (CT final MOM award winner, Dravid praised him as someone who can dominate white ball cricket)

Sometimes you rely to much on your 'eye'. You called Abbas same things as now you are doing with Sadaf and he is doing pretty well. If pace is 'everything' then why your favorite Wahab Riaz is such a mediocre bowler at international for last 7 years? One suggestion: Pakistan domestic cricketers are not as pathetic as you think and there is more to it then what you see in 2 minute youtube videos. Try to be flexible, sometimes we can be wrong too afterall we are humans.
 
Pure class.

However, Saud seems to have unfortunately changed his technique. His lack of footwork needs addressing.
 
Really disappointed with his lack of footwork. Needs to drafted to national side soon or he will be lost or will soon be slogging as one of the posters mentioned above [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
 
Really disappointed with his lack of footwork. Needs to drafted to national side soon or he will be lost or will soon be slogging as one of the posters mentioned above [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

he would have no options to survive inthese sort of wicket but just to come and slog,here on these sorts of tracks u have to get as many as u can because one ball will be above shoulder height and another will be hitting ur ankles on the bounce very defficult to develop skills as a batsaman here.if u see saad ali strike rate ,he is scoring with almost list A strike sarte because he knows how to get runs on these kacha roads.
 
he would have no options to survive inthese sort of wicket but just to come and slog,here on these sorts of tracks u have to get as many as u can because one ball will be above shoulder height and another will be hitting ur ankles on the bounce very defficult to develop skills as a batsaman here.if u see saad ali strike rate ,he is scoring with almost list A strike sarte because he knows how to get runs on these kacha roads.

Completely Agree with you. We need to address this issue ASAP if we want any batsmen. Honestly it's ridiculous seeing the state of the pitches and bowlers who won't make clubs teams are taking tons of wickets for fun. The way we are going we would most likely see 125k trudlers and hacks playing for our team soon and will become a minnow soon.
 
I am trying to respond to all here in one post, for all who have tagged me.

To me, the most important thing for batting is balance (that's perfect shift of body weight so that maximum power can be generated at point of contact and the head-eye is steady), ability to hit the ball sweetly (micro second level precision in timing), placings and play in the middle of sweet spot of bat (perfect hand-eye). The game is built on instinct and touch - that's something one is born with - otherwise, there are lot many rich kids in South Asia who could have spent 12 hours in practice and become great cricketer. There are many rich parents who would love to spend millions for coaching staff and other facilities - eat, drink, sleep, practice ...... eat, .... but it doesn't make Tendulkar or Wasim or Murali or Shakib that way.

For batsmen till 19, it's all about natural ability to hit the leather piece sweetly, from 20 to 23 it's about learning finer things, adjust a little, fixing few glitches, next 2 years is to add experience and mental maturity with the polished game. It sometimes varies with few individuals, but more or less 23 to 35 is the most dominating period of a batsman, 29 being the peak - before that range 2/3 years lots of quality, but often batsmen miss out big one for lack of experience, while into mid 30s, lots of experience, but body starts to betray - still they score lot, but like Amla style, not Root style. That's why, I always believe that a batsman should be debuted for National team by 23 - some may be even early.

Now, coming to the young man, first thing I believe is that, he is probably of real age, at least very close to it - so he has time. His bat swing, high back-lift, sweet hitting ability, timing & placement is excellent, particularly that back-lift and bat swing. And, he is capable of playing fluently through off-side, which is rare these days for PAK players, groomed on these type of wickets. Footwork is an issue, but I don't think it's that big a problem if his balance is good. Normally, I have seen batsmen with strong hand-eye, but less footwork starts to fade after 30s - best example was Viv and I am sure Steve Smith will suffer a massive decline in stats after entering 30s. This guy SS still has 2/3 years time to work on footwork - it's not that he is like Fakhar or Afridi, neither 30+; if he works with Grant/Arthur for few sessions, then put it in long hours of practice, I am sure it's not that a big deal.

Regarding his temperament, I think it's in general a common problem in PAK - batsmen groomed on such wicket for 250 overs FC matches simply can't learn how to bat long, how to convert a start for single/double/triple hundreds. This season, I believe in QEA there are 2 double hundreds scored - in every round of Ranji there are more than that. Batting is an art that's self learned lot in match condition, while you are in middle. Indian players play the weakest bowling in domestics on mostly batting paradise, still their batting fundamentals are fantastic. Difference between baseball hitting and cricket batting is that in baseball players need to make it perfect (to hit a home run) once out of several attempts, in cricket you have to be perfectionist - the art is doing repetitive task with zero tolerance for hours, sessions, days together. That's why playing long innings in match is essential than practicing at nets - be it against substandard attack, because it takes just one mistake to get out. Babar is suffering from that as well - his List A average is 10+ higher than FC and that's common for few other PAK batsmen as well (Asad comes to mind, probably Azhar as well). I don't think, unless they arrange FC cricket on better wickets, in a period when at least 90 overs are possible in a Day, not only Saud, no PAK batsman will be able to convert starts. At one time PAK had some of the best big hundred specialists - Zaheer, Javed, Mudassar, Mohsin ...... now it's Umar Akaml. Besides, one alarming sign is that, looking at a PAK batsman - one can't tell if he is on 20 or 200, because that comfort, that ease, that domination is hardly seen in a set batsman (YK was the last one - once set, totally different batsman, he was mentored by a different guy) - players are always circumspect, confused and often timid, not fulfilling 100% of own capacity.

I read, he should he part of A team, which is utter hilarious - basically that allows free lunch to undeserving oldies. This kid played U19 WC, in his 4th season of QeA (I think, in 1st or 2nd season season he scored over 600), has played successfully for PAK A 1.5 years back - what else can he learn from domestic or what else he can prove? If players are to prove 5-7 years in domestic through stats, then probably selectors are obsolete - anyone with a spread sheet can do the job. Problem is PAK plays too little cricket (this is the biggest surprise in planet earth in this days - PAK national players are busy more with PLs & SLs, but hardly any game for National team or A team). May not be against NZ (he can/should be in ODI squad), but I would have definitely picked the kid in playing XI for the IRL Test and ZIM tour for Test & ODI - T20 isn't his game. Couple of years, he'll learn himself most things - probably that's the next best way of developing batsman if your FC system is QeA style and one has to bank on a T20 league for talunt hunt .....
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], should he not seek county cricket? I know it's not easy to get a contract, but that's the only place where he'll learn to play for long and improve his footwork. I wouldn't put him in the test side because he would get slaughtered, as I mentioned above. His footwork is truly appalling, I know Fakhar's is worse, but he's not playing test cricket
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], should he not seek county cricket? I know it's not easy to get a contract, but that's the only place where he'll learn to play for long and improve his footwork. I wouldn't put him in the test side because he would get slaughtered, as I mentioned above. His footwork is truly appalling, I know Fakhar's is worse, but he's not playing test cricket

How long players can depend on Counties? After 1997/98, they changed the rule from 3/4 foreigners in XI to just one. I don't suggest league cricket anymore because Lancashire or Birmingham league has gone down massively in terms of quality.

At one point PCB has to change this joke of FC cricket - 7/8 matches, that too in fog, smog, grass ..... this is actually counterproductive. I am sure, I saw the kid in some U19 WC (probably 2014 in UAE) and then in some domestic List A couple of years back - his footwork was lot, lot better. These green mine fields have forced players to bank on their hand-eye & luck - if it continues like this, couple of years time you'll see his top hand game gone, he'll start to bank on bottom hand, because power isn't his strength and Lara/Anwar/Mark W would struggle to time shots on these tracks.

On top of that it's a unique system out there - his team will get relegated and he'll probably have to agree with lots of "compromises" to get a FC team next year ............... and may be 5 years later, we'll discuss - this guy had a match fee more than $5,000!!!!!!!!!!! ...............
 
You are a good poster but turning out to be very stubborn.

These are the players you wrote off before their start but they are doing ok.

Faheem (The best lower order hitter in Pakistan, Azhar Mehmood has praised him highly)
Abbas (Avg of 23 despite playing in WI and UAE)
Fakhar (CT final MOM award winner, Dravid praised him as someone who can dominate white ball cricket)

Sometimes you rely to much on your 'eye'. You called Abbas same things as now you are doing with Sadaf and he is doing pretty well. If pace is 'everything' then why your favorite Wahab Riaz is such a mediocre bowler at international for last 7 years? One suggestion: Pakistan domestic cricketers are not as pathetic as you think and there is more to it then what you see in 2 minute youtube videos. Try to be flexible, sometimes we can be wrong too afterall we are humans.
I did write off Fahim the bowler, but I said he's a decent lower order hitter before he was selected for Pak.

I said Abbas will struggle in the UAE, and I also believe he'll struggle in Aus and SA. Places like England, NZ etc. or when we are playing with the dukes ball are the only times he should be in the playing XI.

Remains to be seen whether Fakhar can still hold onto his spot, but I stand by what I said.

Wahab doesn't have any skill or accuracy, that's also required to be a good bowler, no? I want to see bowlers that can perform anywhere around the world and that does require, at bare minimum, having the ability to consistently hit 135 km/h. Unless:

You're extremely accurate (which neither Sadaf or Abbas are, and I say this for Sadaf after watching him at least four times in his opening spells in the domestic OD competitions he bullies) and have the capability to seam/swing the ball. Ala Philander, Asif and McGrath.
 
We caught up with Saud earlier today.

Watch this space for the interview.
 
This kid might be good or might be a dud but a 2 minute video should not be used to judge his talent (or lack off)... Heck even Imran Farhat will look like the second coming of Lara if you just go by highlights package.
 
We caught up with Saud earlier today.

Watch this space for the interview.

Look forward to it.

Did you get a chance to ask about his apparent change in technique?

His feet look a lot more static at the crease.
 
This kid might be good or might be a dud but a 2 minute video should not be used to judge his talent (or lack off)... Heck even Imran Farhat will look like the second coming of Lara if you just go by highlights package.

Take a look at the videos from his U19 days and you will see how good a talent he is.

Good to see him delivering this year.
 
Take a look at the videos from his U19 days and you will see how good a talent he is.

Good to see him delivering this year.

very unfortunate thet his team is out of QEA trophy and he will not be in top runs scorers this year but should be given chances.
 

SAUD SHAKEEL is an excellent talent, but SAAD ALI is more deserving to be selected for the National Side, as Saad Ali is the HIGHEST RUNS SCORER in QUAID E AZAM Trophy 2017-18.

SAAD ALI is the pick of the batsmen from the Domestic Circuit, followed by many other goodies, like Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel, Khuram Manzoor, Saad Nasim, Ali Asad etc etc
 
SAAD ALI is the pick of the batsmen from the Domestic Circuit, followed by many other goodies, like Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel, Khuram Manzoor, Saad Nasim, Ali Asad etc etc

Saad Nasim? That absolute hack? Good grief...
 
What's it gonna take for a brother to get a chance? I think we can safely say Asad Shafiq can't cut it in T20 cricket.
 
Lol Sarfra continues to pick his friend Asad Shafiq over a young talanted player. Hillairious how you don't see his so called fans on threads like these but when any other captain like Malik or Misbah doesn't play a youngster Sarfraz fans jump all over them.

He deserves a chance over Shafiq or Ramiz Raja.
 
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