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Ian Chappell says Pakistan shouldn't play in Australia unless they improve....

now there are two separate segments 1 in english with foreign ex-players and another in urdu with local ex-players
 
saeed5646 said:
what a epic phainty to aus lol:yk2
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If you are talking about their 1-4 loss in India then Aus has a pretty good record in ODI in Asia. One series doesn't make any difference.
 
Buffet said:
If you are talking about their 1-4 loss in India then Aus has a pretty good record in ODI in Asia. One series doesn't make any difference.
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Maybe that's truth but India weren't even trying :kohli

A phainta of epic proportions, indeed :kapil
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Maybe that's truth but India weren't even trying :kohli

A phainta of epic proportions, indeed :kapil
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I have never seen Australia's ODI team dominated so comprehensively. Yes, they did lose to SA 0-5, but this game it felt like the Indians could do whatever they wanted.
 
Buffet said:
If you are talking about their 1-4 loss in India then Aus has a pretty good record in ODI in Asia. One series doesn't make any difference.
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may be they have but there are not the same GReat aussie side which lan chappell are so over confident about
 
Napa said:
I have never seen Australia's ODI team dominated so comprehensively. Yes, they did lose to SA 0-5, but this game it felt like the Indians could do whatever they wanted.
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The game India lost: it seemed to me it was just because team India was tired of winning :yk

(And Dhawan wasn't even playing :P)

Only team which may give fight to India in India (in any format) is Pak right now.
 
I wouldn't look much into this ODI series. Obviously this Australian team isn't anywhere near the ODI team you'd except to face at a WC SF or something. For starters, two of the best ODI bowlers Hazlewood (Rated #1) and Starc (Rated #3 and the best ODI fast bowler of this generation) weren't playing. With these two guys bowling 40% of the overs in the innings, it's a completely different proposition altogether.

Coulter Nile and Cummins were very impressive in this series, imagine Starc and Hazlewood along with them.. that's 40 overs of proper top class bowling right there.. no more Stoinis, Head, Zampa to feed off of after the opening spell, case in point being the first ODI - a full strength Aussie attack would have probably disposed off India for 150 when they had them down for 11/3. Not the best time for Australia in India but still MILES better than what the Asian sides have done there in this decade. They were barely a good session away from winning the Test series in India for god's sake, no Asian team has come this close to compete in such a manner in Australia.
 
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saeed5646 said:
may be they have but there are not the same GReat aussie side which lan chappell are so over confident about
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Comments from Chappel were poor. I am not defending that.
 
Proactive_ said:
I wouldn't look much into this ODI series. Obviously this Australian team isn't anywhere near the ODI team you'd except to face at a WC SF or something. For starters, two of the best ODI bowlers Hazlewood (Rated #1) and Starc (Rated #3 and the best ODI fast bowler of this generation) weren't playing. With these two guys bowling 40% of the overs in the innings, it's a completely different proposition altogether.

Coulter Nile and Cummins were very impressive in this series, imagine Starc and Hazlewood along with them.. that's 40 overs of proper top class bowling right there.. no more Stoinis, Head, Zampa to feed off of after the opening spell, case in point being the first ODI - a full strength Aussie attack would have probably disposed off India for 150 when they had them down for 11/3. Not the best time for Australia in India but still MILES better than what the Asian sides have done there in this decade. They were barely a good session away from winning the Test series in India for god's sake, no Asian team has come this close to compete in such a manner in Australia.
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Did you see Dhawan, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami play ? but totally not surprising that you quite conveniently ignored that bit of information. LoL at bringing in Tests when discussion is about ODI's.
 
Tusker said:
Did you see Dhawan, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami play ? but totally not surprising that you quite conveniently ignored that bit of information. LoL at bringing in Tests when discussion is about ODI's.
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Ashwin and Jadeja aren't even rated in ODIs, both are mediocre ODI players and are basically dropped. Shami did play one game and went for 6+ RPO (though not his fault, he has no backing of the captain unlike Bhuvi and gets inconsistent chances). Dhawan is the only straight swap for Rahane in this team. Else this is the Indian ODI team you can pretty much expect to take the field in an important ICC Tournament game.

Also, the larger discussion isn't about ODIs, see the thread title and the discussion thus far.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Doesn't mean anything. They'll be fit and firing at full strength by 2019.
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Yeah their pace battery of the four horsemen of hell will be ready by then. We have been hearing of this legendary and mythical bowling attack since the last five years. Not played together even once lmaoooo
 
Syed1 said:
Yeah their pace battery of the four horsemen of hell will be ready by then. We have been hearing of this legendary and mythical bowling attack since the last five years. Not played together even once lmaoooo
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I'm talking about their team, including their young bats. Not just pacers. Cummins, Starc and Hazlewood have played together.
 
Proactive_ said:
Ashwin and Jadeja aren't even rated in ODIs, both are mediocre ODI players and are basically dropped. Shami did play one game and went for 6+ RPO (though not his fault, he has no backing of the captain unlike Bhuvi and gets inconsistent chances). Dhawan is the only straight swap for Rahane in this team. Else this is the Indian ODI team you can pretty much expect to take the field in an important ICC Tournament game.
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Both have been rotated. But exceptional performances by Kuldeep and Chahal have meant that the team Mgmt have realized the potential of quality wrist spin. Same scenario for Umesh and Yadav. So both teams were missing key players. However given that it is impossible for you to be happy with how the team is performing you will always keep nitpicking and try to put down the achievements. Had Hazlewood or Starc Played you would complain that spinners were missing. Just can never be happy.

Also, the larger discussion isn't about ODIs, see the thread title and the discussion thus far.
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Aus just lost a Test match to Bangladesh about a month ago and here you are finding ways to sing praises of how they have performed better in Asia? lol
 
Pakistan's record in Australia is embarrassing. Four consecutive whitewashes and not even drawing much less winning a test for over 20 years. That includes losing test matches that were handed on a platter, such as Hobart 99 and Sydney 2009.

Australia's record in India and subcontinent was looking similar. They lost in India 2-0 in 2008, and were whitewashed in 2010 and 2014, and whitewashed in UAE in 2013 and Sri Lanka in 2016. But give them credit, them were competitive in India this year and at least won a test. They are improving, we did not.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
The game India lost: it seemed to me it was just because team India was tired of winning :yk

(And Dhawan wasn't even playing :P)
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Also, they did not play Bhuvi and Bumrah.

Only team which may give fight to India in India (in any format) is Pak right now.
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I hope it happens. Win or lose, there will be fantastic passion from both sides.
 
Tusker said:
Both have been rotated. But exceptional performances by Kuldeep and Chahal have meant that the team Mgmt have realized the potential of quality wrist spin. Same scenario for Umesh and Yadav. So both teams were missing key players. However given that it is impossible for you to be happy with how the team is performing you will always keep nitpicking and try to put down the achievements. Had Hazlewood or Starc Played you would complain that spinners were missing. Just can never be happy.
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I'm just putting things in perspective. You really think the difference between Kuldeep and Ashwin as ODI bowlers is as vast as Kane Richardson and Starc? Umesh himself has signalled the end of his ODI career by his recent comments. Australia were missing 20 overs of the best ODI bowling they have to offer which were being delivered by the likes of Stoinis, Richardson, Head et al. Also, Ashwin and Jadeja are pretty disposable in ODIs. Both average around 30 in ODIs at home and are disastrous overseas as is well known. Kuldeep and Chahal are already at par if not better. Hell, even Jadhav looks to be a decent replacement for either of these two.


Aus just lost a Test match to Bangladesh about a month ago and here you are finding ways to sing praises of how they have performed better in Asia? lol
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Bangladesh is a vastly improved team at home. Even England lost one to them by a much bigger margin. It's up to you to give Bangladesh their due respect or not.
 
Proactive_ said:
I'm just putting things in perspective. You really think the difference between Kuldeep and Ashwin as ODI bowlers is as vast as Kane Richardson and Starc? Umesh himself has signalled the end of his ODI career by his recent comments. Australia were missing 20 overs of the best ODI bowling they have to offer which were being delivered by the likes of Stoinis, Richardson, Head et al. Also, Ashwin and Jadeja are pretty disposable in ODIs. Both average around 30 in ODIs at home and are disastrous overseas as is well known. Kuldeep and Chahal are already at par if not better. Hell, even Jadhav looks to be a decent replacement for either of these two.
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You forget that both Ashwin and Jadeja are very good in India and far better batsmen than Kuldeep and Chahal. The reason Chahal and Kuldeep have got more matches is because of overseas tours where the team mgmt feels they will be handy. So all things considered playing in India yes definitely the difference is far more than Aus missing Starc/Hazelwood especially when you factor in that Dhawan who is in the form of his life did not play a single odi.


Bangladesh is a vastly improved team at home. Even England lost one to them by a much bigger margin. It's up to you to give Bangladesh their due respect or not.
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Yes they have improved but you still don't expect touring teams to lose test matches there.
 
Tusker said:
You forget that both Ashwin and Jadeja are very good in India and far better batsmen than Kuldeep and Chahal. The reason Chahal and Kuldeep have got more matches is because of overseas tours where the team mgmt feels they will be handy. So all things considered playing in India yes definitely the difference is far more than Aus missing Starc/Hazelwood especially when you factor in that Dhawan who is in the form of his life did not play a single odi.
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I wouldn't classify having averages around 30 at home as being "good". Kuldeep and Chahal performed as good if not better than what Ashwin and Jadeja would have been expected to based on their home records. Same can't be said for the likes of Richardson, Head and Zampa when compared to Starc and Hazelwood, not even close. That's 40% of your team's overs going to rookies and part timers which would have otherwise gone to two of the best rated ODI bowlers in the world. I say again, only Dhawan is a straight swap for Rahane in this team. Bumrah isn't going anywhere. Bhuvi has Kohli's backing so he isn't going anywhere either. Ashwin and Jadeja have hardly ever been integral parts of Indian ODI team. This is basically the full strength Indian XI you can expect to take field in a major tournament.




Yes they have improved but you still don't expect touring teams to lose test matches there.
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Bangladesh beat SL in an away test as well, the same SL who is on the verge of beating Pak as we speak in UAE. You're grossly underrating Bangladesh as a Test team, they're definitely no longer minnows and can very well hold their own at home as evidenced by the England and Aus. series.
 
So Mr Ian Chappell: Should the Australian leg of Ashes be scrapped?

5-0 last time on, 4-0 this time; Is England good enough to tour Australia now?
 
They lost one less test compared to last time around. So they are improving. Next time it will be 3-0.
 
BaankeJi said:
They lost one less test compared to last time around. So they are improving. Next time it will be 3-0.
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So thats what it has come down to now. Indian fans rejoicing with a 2-0 loss and now England fans with a 4-0 loss. This Aussie side is better than the one in the 90s if it has reduced respectable teams to such lofty standards.
 
Didnt they just get beat by ranked 9 in test couple of months ago. So by his term, AUS should not come to play in asia before they improve. What a clown
 
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Bump this thread when we draw a Test in Australia. Also, they almost won in India.

Australia in Asia >>> Pakistan in Australia.
 
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It is a false equivalence to put Pakistan's showing in Australia with Australia's showing in Asia simply for one reason, because we have lost every test in Australia since 1999. Let that sink in for a second.

Australia have drawn a test in Dubai in this series, won a test in India last year. Won test series against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and India in Asia since 2000.

Ian Chappell was speaking his mind and he was bang on the money to call out Pakistan's pathetic record in Aus and Misbah's awful captaincy.
 
Australia plays way more frequently in Asia compared to Pakistan in Australia
 
Pakistan should be given test in darwen and Hobart, its only way they would be competative, our record in Australia is pathetic.
 
Pakistan should take the Ian Chappell dig as motivation to improve their performance in Australia. Not bring it up when we beat Australia in the UAE.
 
Apparently Ian Chappell has commented that Pakistan and sub continental teams should not invite Australia to tour until they improve their cricket.
 
Beating one of the worst Australian teams and beating India are totally different.
 
Chappell is just Trolling, not a serious comment at all. But Ian does not like Pakistan ever since the Sydney 2009 test. Because the news of infighting and fix ruined the 2009 Sydney victory for Australia. So Ian will continue to troll unless Pakistan Beat Australia in Australia.
 
saeed5646 said:
India have won the test series in aus without mcgarth and shane warne so what about that then?
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Won or drew. I think it was a drawn series.. India like Pakistan are yet to win a test series down under.
 
We have been embrassing in Australia. At least Australia have won games in Asia. We can't even get a draw in Australia.
 
What Chappell said was the bitter truth. Pakistan's 12 straight losses against Aus in Aus is the worst record against a single country.

Even West Indies despite being mediocre for a good 2 decades have not lost 12 in a row in any country.
 
Torpedo said:
What Chappell said was the bitter truth. Pakistan's 12 straight losses against Aus in Aus is the worst record against a single country.

Even West Indies despite being mediocre for a good 2 decades have not lost 12 in a row in any country.
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What stats don't show that at least twice we came within a hair's breadth of winning the match, but yeah truely atrocious record otherwise. Probably because our bowlers do not know what lengths to bowl on the bouncy pitches over there and bats can't play bounce to save their lives.
 
If Pakistan played more often in Australia, their record would improve. Instead we only play once every 5-6 years.

Australia tours Asia much more often, yet their record is still poor in the last 10 years or so.
 
Hasan123 said:
Australia have won games in India . We can't even draw games in Australia.
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Pakistan have been unlucky or suspicious in some of the games they lost to Australia in Oz. They have been mauled over quite a few times but many a times they have produced good cricket on tour as wel.
 
Rana said:
Pakistan have been unlucky or suspicious in some of the games they lost to Australia in Oz. They have been mauled over quite a few times but many a times they have produced good cricket on tour as wel.
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Australia have never ever produced good cricket in Asia?
 
Australia tour is very challenging for the batsmen, not just technically but mentally and it is the aspect Pakistanis lack the most which is why their record is so pathetic in Australia as compared to say India, Sri Lanka. England is more challenging technically which the Pakistanis have cracked on numerous occasions, technique is not their problem. They just can't seem to fight it out against the imposing Aussies. South Africa is most similar to Pakistan and they seem to struggle there in a similar fashion although a lot less than Australia.
 
Hasan123 said:
Australia have never ever produced good cricket in Asia?
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They have, they should always be invited to play in Pakistan. Its just very silly of Ian Chappell to suggest something like "They shouldnt be invited unless they improve" because it is read in a very provocative context by postcolonial South Asian fans who think that he has no right to decide wether a team should be invited in Australia whereas the Aussies are poor away from Australia also, that too especially in Asia.
 
Surprisingly, it is our much touted bowling attack which fails in Australia. The batsmen do come to their own as the series progresses but the bowlers struggle badly
 
Rana said:
They have, they should always be invited to play in Pakistan. Its just very silly of Ian Chappell to suggest something like "They shouldnt be invited unless they improve" because it is read in a very provocative context by postcolonial South Asian fans who think that he has no right to decide wether a team should be invited in Australia whereas the Aussies are poor away from Australia also, that too especially in Asia.
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He shouldn't have said that but our fans don't need to mock Australia record in Asia when we can't even draw a game in Australia.
 
Saj said:
I don't see too many former Pakistan players saying that Australia shouldn't come to Asia.
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I don't agree with Chappell comments but we shouldn't use Australia record in Asia to make his opinion look stupid.

Fact is our record in Australia is much worse than Australia record in Asia in recent times.
 
Hasan123 said:
I don't agree with Chappell comments but we shouldn't use Australia record in Asia to make his opinion look stupid.

Fact is our record in Australia is much worse than Australia record in Asia in recent times.
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I don't think anyone is denying the fact that Pakistan's record in Austrlia is abysmal.
 
Australia just drew with us in the first test and won against India in India as well. We weren't able to draw the second test in Australia when 3 days of the test we were batting for and Azhar made 200+. After that test I realized that Pakistan is a minnow in Australia. They were scoring at 3+ rpo in test match, which is ridiculous to say the least . We don't even do that in our home. So comparing that Australia wins the odd one test and draws, Pakistan is no where near that level.
 
We don’t even deserve a two Test series. I wish New Zealand would have played a 5 a Test series this summer with Pakistan only playing the 3 T20s.
 
If we go by this logic than Australia shouldn’t tour the UAE and literally no team expect England should be invited to India for a test series.
 
Complete lack of professionalism in our approach to touring Australia. Everyone focuses on the batting but completely ignores our bowling. 220 for no wickets is unacceptable regardless of how flat the wicket is. You are representing your country at the highest level ***, have some shame and dignity. Honestly the next time Pakistan tour, they need to hire an Australian bowling consultant who can actually teach the bowlers on how exactly to bowl in Australia and what the make up of the bowling unit should be like
 
Savak said:
Complete lack of professionalism in our approach to touring Australia. Everyone focuses on the batting but completely ignores our bowling. 220 for no wickets is unacceptable regardless of how flat the wicket is. You are representing your country at the highest level ***, have some shame and dignity. Honestly the next time Pakistan tour, they need to hire an Australian bowling consultant who can actually teach the bowlers on how exactly to bowl in Australia and what the make up of the bowling unit should be like
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Or may be they can take some tips from Indian Pacers too! ;)
 
Savak said:
Complete lack of professionalism in our approach to touring Australia. Everyone focuses on the batting but completely ignores our bowling. 220 for no wickets is unacceptable regardless of how flat the wicket is. You are representing your country at the highest level ***, have some shame and dignity. Honestly the next time Pakistan tour, they need to hire an Australian bowling consultant who can actually teach the bowlers on how exactly to bowl in Australia and what the make up of the bowling unit should be like
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Or send players on A tours of Australia in the intervening periods.
 
As much as I love Pakistan Cricket, this is getting embarrassing. Losing every single match for what is now my lifetime, very poor.
 
Professor said:
If we go by this logic than Australia shouldn’t tour the UAE and literally no team expect England should be invited to India for a test series.
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Australia drew a test in the UAE without Smith and gave India a proper fight in India in 2016. No team has been as terrible as Pakistan in Australia.

100% losing record since 1995 is utterly embarrassing and deserves to have repercussions.
 
Savak said:
Complete lack of professionalism in our approach to touring Australia. Everyone focuses on the batting but completely ignores our bowling. 220 for no wickets is unacceptable regardless of how flat the wicket is. You are representing your country at the highest level ***, have some shame and dignity. Honestly the next time Pakistan tour, they need to hire an Australian bowling consultant who can actually teach the bowlers on how exactly to bowl in Australia and what the make up of the bowling unit should be like
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We are too proud to do so. Instead we rehire Waqar for a fifth stint as coach when he never had a good record in Australia to begin with.
 
The Chief of the Australia cricket board needs to realise Pakistan are a minnow side down under.

The only thing that has kept them playing there is because many of the middle-aged and older Aussie supporters have fond memories of watching Imran Khan and Wasim Akram bowl.

Those teams had charisma and star quality. Inzy took us backwards with the Tableeghi culture that he instilled in Pakistan cricket.
 
We don’t tour India

Australia will bracket us into the same category as Bangladesh very soon and stop inviting us

Soon England and New Zealand will follow suit. What a dreadful performance. Your team was bowled out for 240, there is no reason to not pick up at least 3-4 wickets in the day
 
If losing or being competitive is an issue than Pakistan should stop playing cricket altogether and focus on video games I heard there are some starts emerging in E-Sports Arena these days. In any form of physical sports Pakistanis are constantly going downhill.
 
Mamoon said:
Australia drew a test in the UAE without Smith and gave India a proper fight in India in 2016. No team has been as terrible as Pakistan in Australia.

100% losing record since 1995 is utterly embarrassing and deserves to have repercussions.
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won an odi series too
pak has literally zero with a BiG O to show
 
Professor said:
If we go by this logic than Australia shouldn’t tour the UAE and literally no team expect England should be invited to India for a test series.
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In the last series they played, Australia did better than England in India
 
Napa said:
In the last series they played, Australia did better than England in India
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England won the test series in 2012...when was the last time Australia won?

Anyway, Pakistan were actually quite competitive in the last series in Aus...this performance has been very bad by the bowlers and the selection has been poor.

I weirdly agree that teams which are poor in certain locations shouldn't play, who wants to watch such one sided cricket?
 
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