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Ian Chappell says Pakistan shouldn't play in Australia unless they improve....

Pakistans last tour of Australia made a mockery of test cricket and the selections were genuinley disrespectful towards the host.

We went into the series with the most inexperienced attack and decided to just bowl a leggie into the ground in each game.
 
I think it has to be Pakistan ( among established teams) as the worst touring team ever in Australia.

Pakistan has only won 1 Test match in Australia in 43 years.

1983/84. Lost 2-0 (5 match series)
1989/90 lost 1-0 (3 match series)
1994/95 lost 2-1 (3 match series)
1999/2000 lost 3-0 whitewash
2004/5 lost 3-0 whitewash
2009/10 lost 3-0 whitewash
2016/17 lost 3-0 whitewash
2019/20 lost 2-0 whitewash

It is actually 14-0 from 1999 onwards
 
It was an ignorant comment from Chappell, no it wasn't racism and no it wasn't justified either.

If we start shaming countries for their performances in specific countries you'd have half the international calendar wiped off. Sri Lanka haven't won a test in India. Ever. West Indies have never won a test match in Sri Lanka. England have regularly been humiliated in West Indies. Whereas even India were utterly humiliated the last time they toured New Zealand. New Zealand on the other hand haven't put up a credible performance in Australia in nearly two decades (which too was a 0-0 draw) and last won there during the days of Richard Hadlee! Australia almost always embarrass themselves in Asia and have won 2 test matches (1 against Bangladesh) there in the last decade.

That said pointing towards a racist angle is utterly outrageous as well.

As someone who has read Chappell's columns on ESPNCricinfo for quite some time, it seems obvious to me that the guy is simply out of his depth. His columns give you the feeling that you're reading a grumpy old man with an old school mentality who is not interested in being politically correct and who is still somewhat wistful about his glory days. Which is exactly who he is.

Spot on. PAK's performance in AUS is admittedly pathetic but using IC's argument then CA should also stop inviting ENG, especially for a 5 Test series. 5 of the last 6 Ashes series in AUS have been embarrassingly one sided.
 
Phew. Pakistan is off the hook.

Haha exactly my sentiments.

I think it has to be Pakistan ( among established teams) as the worst touring team ever in Australia.

Pakistan has only won 1 Test match in Australia in 43 years.

1983/84. Lost 2-0 (5 match series)
1989/90 lost 1-0 (3 match series)
1994/95 lost 2-1 (3 match series)
1999/2000 lost 3-0 whitewash
2004/5 lost 3-0 whitewash
2009/10 lost 3-0 whitewash
2016/17 lost 3-0 whitewash
2019/20 lost 2-0 whitewash

It is actually 14-0 from 1999 onwards

Lets not beat around the bush PAK record is pathetic, defo the worst by country, but in terms of single tours this england tour could be the worst team , lost the ashes in 10 days across 3 tests after quarantining for 14 days. im sure 1 2 days were rain affected aswel or is my mind playing tricks.
 
Ricky ponting just labelled this england team as the worst ever team to tour australia..

I don't know about that. The 2013-14 series was embarrassingly one-sided as well. As was the 2007 one.

In 2013-14 England crossed 350 once in a 5 match test series. In 2007 they lost a test match by 6 wickets after scoring 551 in the first innings.

If you take recent history England is always rubbish in Australia with the exception of the 2010 series.
 
I think it has to be Pakistan ( among established teams) as the worst touring team ever in Australia.

Pakistan has only won 1 Test match in Australia in 43 years.

1983/84. Lost 2-0 (5 match series)
1989/90 lost 1-0 (3 match series)
1994/95 lost 2-1 (3 match series)
1999/2000 lost 3-0 whitewash
2004/5 lost 3-0 whitewash
2009/10 lost 3-0 whitewash
2016/17 lost 3-0 whitewash
2019/20 lost 2-0 whitewash

It is actually 14-0 from 1999 onwards

Actually Sri Lanka is a worse touring team. They have never won a test match in Australia.
 
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Haha exactly my sentiments.



Lets not beat around the bush PAK record is pathetic, defo the worst by country, but in terms of single tours this england tour could be the worst team , lost the ashes in 10 days across 3 tests after quarantining for 14 days. im sure 1 2 days were rain affected aswel or is my mind playing tricks.

But England did beat Australia in Australia in 2010/11 Ashes. They beat Australia in 2009 home Ashes and 2013 Home Ashes too.

In short they won 3 straight Test series against Aussies.
 
I did not include Sri lanka because historically Sri lanka has never been a Test powerhouse they have never won a test in india as well.

You said established teams. Sri Lanka have been an established side since the late 90s.
 
It was an ignorant comment from Chappell, no it wasn't racism and no it wasn't justified either.

If we start shaming countries for their performances in specific countries you'd have half the international calendar wiped off. Sri Lanka haven't won a test in India. Ever. West Indies have never won a test match in Sri Lanka. England have regularly been humiliated in West Indies. Whereas even India were utterly humiliated the last time they toured New Zealand. New Zealand on the other hand haven't put up a credible performance in Australia in nearly two decades (which too was a 0-0 draw) and last won there during the days of Richard Hadlee! Australia almost always embarrass themselves in Asia and have won 2 test matches (1 against Bangladesh) there in the last decade.

That said pointing towards a racist angle is utterly outrageous as well.

As someone who has read Chappell's columns on ESPNCricinfo for quite some time, it seems obvious to me that the guy is simply out of his depth. His columns give you the feeling that you're reading a grumpy old man with an old school mentality who is not interested in being politically correct and who is still somewhat wistful about his glory days. Which is exactly who he is.

I think this is a, generally, fair assessment.

I have learned a lot from Chappell's commentary over the years and used to look forward to his insight but I have grown steadily weary of his dogmatism. Increasingly his certainty in himself and his no-nonsense approach seem to border on self-parody.

As to his articles on Cricinfo, they are predictable and very narrowly focussed on the 'big 3'.
 
I think this is a, generally, fair assessment.

I have learned a lot from Chappell's commentary over the years and used to look forward to his insight but I have grown steadily weary of his dogmatism. Increasingly his certainty in himself and his no-nonsense approach seem to border on self-parody.

As to his articles on Cricinfo, they are predictable and very narrowly focussed on the 'big 3'.

Agreed. His commentary has taken a sharp turn during the last decade or so. Possibly less. Now he doesn't even have a job commentating unless he's doing something for ABC Grandstand. But I do remember when he used to be an excellent commentator. Which hasn't been the case for quite some time.
 
Absolutely silly to call Chappelli racist. He's one of those old school outspoken pundits like himself, Boycott, etc., who call it as they see it without political correctness and they are equally critical of their own teams if they're playing bad as Boycott is often.

Chappell's comments did not come after a particular tour, but as a culmination of a series of tours where Pakistan has failed to even draw a single test in Australia since the mid 90s. Very few teams win tests in Australia, but a 100% losing record for 20+ years is just unacceptable for any team, not least a team like Pakistan with its history. I'm betting Chappell's comments, as harsh as they were, were more a lament and from a place of concern on Pakistan's current state, as he was used to playing strong Pakistan sides during his time, rather than to denigrate or insult it as a country. Sometimes a kick in the back from the well wishers would serve better than fake kind words that don't force a change in results.
 
I followed the recent Ashes match via the radio with headphones, and whenever Chappell came on I was reaching for the volume down button. So relentlessly dour and negative. I don’t mind England players being criticised when it is thoughtful and constructive, at all, and I often do this myself — but Ian just moans and groans his way through the analysis like he doesn’t want to be there.
 
Absolutely silly to call Chappelli racist. He's one of those old school outspoken pundits like himself, Boycott, etc., who call it as they see it without political correctness and they are equally critical of their own teams if they're playing bad as Boycott is often.

Chappell's comments did not come after a particular tour, but as a culmination of a series of tours where Pakistan has failed to even draw a single test in Australia since the mid 90s. Very few teams win tests in Australia, but a 100% losing record for 20+ years is just unacceptable for any team, not least a team like Pakistan with its history. I'm betting Chappell's comments, as harsh as they were, were more a lament and from a place of concern on Pakistan's current state, as he was used to playing strong Pakistan sides during his time, rather than to denigrate or insult it as a country. Sometimes a kick in the back from the well wishers would serve better than fake kind words that don't force a change in results.

I agree that it isn't racist but Chappell became a bit unhinged when it came to Pakistan cricket, at one point during the 2011 WC it sounded like he was having a mental breakdown, particularly with regards to Shahid Afridi. It was arguably one of the worst spells of commentary I have seen from any commentator.

I think some people put those comments together with this one and came to the wrong conclusion about him and his intentions.
 
I followed the recent Ashes match via the radio with headphones, and whenever Chappell came on I was reaching for the volume down button. So relentlessly dour and negative. I don’t mind England players being criticised when it is thoughtful and constructive, at all, and I often do this myself — but Ian just moans and groans his way through the analysis like he doesn’t want to be there.

Chappell is stuck in the 70's and should not be exposed to the public.
 
I followed the recent Ashes match via the radio with headphones, and whenever Chappell came on I was reaching for the volume down button. So relentlessly dour and negative. I don’t mind England players being criticised when it is thoughtful and constructive, at all, and I often do this myself — but Ian just moans and groans his way through the analysis like he doesn’t want to be there.

I love him. Quintessential Aussie
 
Bump, whats Ian Chappel's opinion now?

Why are you jumping the gun? You said in another thread that people should wait until day 5 and then make their analysis. Australia can still take a draw from this test match and that would be like a loss for Pakistan.
 
Bump, whats Ian Chappel's opinion now?

The last time Pakistan did not lose a Test in Australia, Miandad was still playing international cricket.

Australia has certainly struggled against Pakistan in UAE/Pakistan since 2014, but it is impossible for them to reach the level of embarrassment and mediocrity that Pakistan have displayed in Australia after the 1995-96 series.

Words do not do justice to how pathetic Pakistan has been in Australia. Losing every single Test match from 1999 to 2019 is laughable.

If PCB had any self-respect, they would voluntary opt out of touring Australia. Apart from Sri Lanka in India, no team has been as awful in any country as Pakistan has been in Australia.

Also, let’s not forget that Australia drew a Test in UAE in 2018 without Smith. It is totally illogical to draw parallels between Pakistan’s performance in Australia and Australia’s performance in UAE/Pakistan.

Australia will have to losing every single Test match in Pakistan until 2038 for this to become a valid comparison.
 
Former Australia captain Ian Chappell has decided to bring down curtain on his 45-year-old commentary career. The 78-year-old Chappell was known for giving his views democratically and he was admired all over the world for his incisive views. Chappell confirmed to Sydney Morning Herald that he was thinking about retiring from commentary for a very long time. "I remember the day when I knew I'd had enough of playing cricket. I looked at the clock and it was five past 11 on a day of play and I thought, 'S**t, if you're clock-watching at that time, I have to go'," said Chappell.
 
Thankfully. His cringe takes will definitely not be missed. Took 10 years too late to announce the decision.

Hope he can stop writing columns on CI as well. I read one, he had basically written he had an epiphany regarding why Bradman was so good. blabber blabber blabber. The last line, it was because of his mental strength.
 
Chappelli's got many things wrong in recent times but he wasn't wrong here. Pakistan's record in the Southern Hemisphere in the last 12 years and Australia in particular in the last 23 years is absolutely disgraceful .

Australia have not been that bad anywhere for that long
So no equivalence there.
 
Nah, Aus has won or drawn many tests in the last 25 years in India. It's not comparable to Pakistan in Aus.
 
Arrogant comment from Ian Chappell. Aussies are no longer old invincible Aussies. These Aussies seem vanilla compared to their past teams.
 
Chappelli's got many things wrong in recent times but he wasn't wrong here. Pakistan's record in the Southern Hemisphere in the last 12 years and Australia in particular in the last 23 years is absolutely disgraceful .

Australia have not been that bad anywhere for that long
So no equivalence there.
Wasn’t the last T20 World Cup in Australia? Or are we just forgetting T20 exists due to our convenience?
 
Ok so by that logic:
The only teams that should play in Australia are India and SA.
Australia shouldn't play in India
England should stop playing Aus in Aus
Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan just give up playing other countries keep playing each other.
Oh what viewership gone down?!
Well duh when you've only got like 3 proper test teams then who's gonna bother to watch test cricket. ICC needs to invest in the lesser nations and encourage test cricket rather than filling their pockets all the time.
 
Yes and Australia should not play in India with this record

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Yes and Australia should not play in India with this record

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Pakistan has lost every single Test match in Australia after the win in Sydney in 1995. Australia in no India is nowhere this bad.

In fact, no team has stooped as low as Pakistan has in Australia.

What Chappell said about Pakistan in Australia does not apply to Australia in India. Not even close.
 
I cant help stop thinking about the Australian tour later this year. Another embarrassment awaiting for Pakistan

I think we should go with 4 pacers and some part time spinners for the test XI. As of now my bowlers are:

Shaheen
Ihsanullah
Zaman
Rauf
 
I cant help stop thinking about the Australian tour later this year. Another embarrassment awaiting for Pakistan

I think we should go with 4 pacers and some part time spinners for the test XI. As of now my bowlers are:

Shaheen
Ihsanullah
Zaman
Rauf

None of these 3 are going to worry Australia in Australia. This is test cricket. A few extra yards of pace doesn't make all the difference here.

It will be a very embarassing series for them and only cause a loss of confidence and reputation. Just look at what we did to poor Musa Khan.

We need to pick an attack with at least a modicum of red ball experience so I would go with Shaheen, Mohammad Abbas, Naseem Shah and Abrar Ahmed. Faheem should probably be picked too.

Hopefully we can win the odd session or two on our way to our usual complete humiliation.
 
None of these 3 are going to worry Australia in Australia. This is test cricket. A few extra yards of pace doesn't make all the difference here.

It will be a very embarassing series for them and only cause a loss of confidence and reputation. Just look at what we did to poor Musa Khan.

We need to pick an attack with at least a modicum of red ball experience so I would go with Shaheen, Mohammad Abbas, Naseem Shah and Abrar Ahmed. Faheem should probably be picked too.

Hopefully we can win the odd session or two on our way to our usual complete humiliation.
May be you are right. We really need 5 proper bowlers though but I am not convinced about Faheem. Its our bowling mostly that lets us down.

Surprisingly though Indian bowlers been doing really well in Australia
 
None of these 3 are going to worry Australia in Australia. This is test cricket. A few extra yards of pace doesn't make all the difference here.

It will be a very embarassing series for them and only cause a loss of confidence and reputation. Just look at what we did to poor Musa Khan.

We need to pick an attack with at least a modicum of red ball experience so I would go with Shaheen, Mohammad Abbas, Naseem Shah and Abrar Ahmed. Faheem should probably be picked too.

Hopefully we can win the odd session or two on our way to our usual complete humiliation.

Yeah agreed.

Abbas can do a role for us in non-english conditions but needs a 4th bowler too. He isn't good enough for a 3 man pace attack. This makes the selection of Faheem Ashraf necessary.

We need to take the following bowlers :

Shaheen
Naseem
Hassan Ali
Abbas
Faheem
Mir Hamza
hassnain ( backup)
 
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Abdullah Shafique
Imam
babar
Saud Shakeel
Agha Salman
Rizwan
Mohammed Nawaz
Hassan Ali/Faheem
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas
 
Abdullah Shafique
Imam
babar
Saud Shakeel
Agha Salman
Rizwan
Mohammed Nawaz
Hassan Ali/Faheem
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas

Yeah i like this team. 6 bowlers, batting fairly deep with Shaheen in the right spot at 9.

We will lose 3-0 anyway but this spreads some of the responsibility around, particularly in the bowling where it is very easy to become demoralised.

It's a toothless attack but i don't think we can physically pick a more threatening one.
 
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I cant help stop thinking about the Australian tour later this year. Another embarrassment awaiting for Pakistan

I think we should go with 4 pacers and some part time spinners for the test XI. As of now my bowlers are:

Shaheen
Ihsanullah
Zaman
Rauf

When Muhammad Musa Khan got picked, literally everyone was saying how he played very very few FC matches, and he was too short, now you want Zaman Khan for this upcoming tour? Same exact thing will happen.

Is Rauf even a test bowler?

Naseem Shah for Zaman Khan, or maybe Hassan Ali (If I were to take a guess)
 
Please ask IAN CHAPPELL if he wants to change his statement now??
Ian Chappell was talking about tests not ODIs and he was absolutely correct.

He also said that on the disastrous tour of 2017 which was worse than the last two outings as it was not long after Pak reached no1 for 2 weeks. There could have been no excuses like “young team”, “inexperienced team” then.

Nothing much gets past Ian. He must have heard all of the praise for Misbah - watched his captaincy in action at length for the first time and thought “is that it”?

He was absolutely correct for his scathing assessment of Pakistan and you can’t do a “gotcha” every time Pakistan beats Australia.
 
To be honest, IC said this after PAK’s grand show in Test cricket - probably sometime under Misbah. Since then PAK has played another 7-10 Tests in Australia and still the fact remains quite embarrassing - a good number of PP members were in diapers or not even born when last PAK avoided a defeat in Test in Australia tour - that’s almost 29 years ago, Hobert, 1995.

Don’t think, bumping this thread after a random ODI series win brightens PCT’s face.
 
Aussies love hard fought competitive cricket which they get from
Bharat, South Africa.

Teams like Pakistan are a waste of time for them who cannot win a test in 3 decades let alone being a series contender.
 
He made that comments after watching Misbah asking leg spinner to bowl negative defensive line in the first 15 overs of test match.

I am not saying that Yasir was Warne, but he was an aggresive leg spinner and I was horrfied to see Misbah asking him to bowl negative line in the first 10-15 overs of inning. It was first inning for Aus. Rest of the bowlers were not good, and one good bowler was made useless in first session itself by his own captain.
 
To be honest, IC said this after PAK’s grand show in Test cricket - probably sometime under Misbah. Since then PAK has played another 7-10 Tests in Australia and still the fact remains quite embarrassing - a good number of PP members were in diapers or not even born when last PAK avoided a defeat in Test in Australia tour - that’s almost 29 years ago, Hobert, 1995.

Don’t think, bumping this thread after a random ODI series win brightens PCT’s face.
I don't think Pakistan would have won a test in Australia had they played test series. Still a long long way to go considering the strength of present Pakistan test team.
 
Pakistan should have won 1 test match in the recent series. They threw the game away by letting them score runs and then he batting line of Pakistan crumbled like leaves.

But ODI series win was a good one.
 
Pakistan should have won 1 test match in the recent series. They threw the game away by letting them score runs and then he batting line of Pakistan crumbled like leaves.

But ODI series win was a good one.

That last ODI series was a show of great spirit by the Pakistan cricket team.
 
India's record in Australia and South Africa is superior in comparison to Pakistan.

However Pakistan should be proud of their record in England, NZ in comparison.
 
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