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Atif Mian’s seminar at IBA cancelled after extremists threatened the university.

Another sad for minorities in Pakistan.

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The Institute of Business Administration (IBA) Karachi has cancelled a scheduled online seminar that was to feature celebrated economist Dr Atif Mian, the university announced on Thursday, allegedly due to pressure by "extremists".

"Dr Atif R. Mian’s lecture 'Why has economic growth fallen behind in Pakistan?' scheduled on November 5, 2020, has been cancelled. Inconvenience is highly regretted," read a brief post by the IBA Karachi's official Twitter account.

In a tweet, Mian said he was sorry to report that the seminar, which was to take place over Zoom, had been cancelled "due to threats that the university administration was facing from extremists".

"My very best wishes and prayers are with the students of IBA," the Princeton University economist wrote.

A spokesperson for IBA Karachi declined to comment when approached by Dawn.com.

Dr Mian became a widely discussed name in Pakistan in 2018 after the PTI government appointed him to the Prime Minister Imran Khan-led Economic Advisory Council (EAC), an 18-member panel set up to advise the newly-formed government on economic policy.

Less than a month after taking office, however, the government asked Mian to step down from the EAC amid mounting pressure from religio-political parties and a smear campaign launched on social media seeking his removal over his Ahmadiyya faith.

See: Atif Mian and the kingdom of clowns

In protest over Mian's exclusion, two other EAC members — Prof Dr Asim Ijaz Khwaja of the Harvard Kennedy School and London-based economist Dr Imran Rasul — had also resigned from the council.

Dr Mian has served as a professor of economics, public policy and finance at Princeton University and as director of The Julis-Rabinowitz Centre for Public Policy and Finance at Woodrow Wilson School. He is the only Pakistani to be considered among the International Monetary Fund’s ‘top 25 brightest young economists’.

Ahmadis were declared non-Muslims in Pakistan through a constitutional amendment passed on September 7, 1974, during the tenure of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.

This measure was later followed with Gen Ziaul Haq making it a punishable offence for Ahmadis to call themselves Muslim or to refer to their faith as Islam.

'An opportunity lost'
Academics, journalists and others expressed regret over the cancellation of Mian's lecture at IBA Karachi.

"So terrible. What a loss! We are all hostages," wrote sociologist and academic Nida Kirmani in a tweet.

In a message of support, US-based political science professor Adnan Rasool termed Mian "a graceful and patient man".

"You have shown more poise in the face [of] hate than most would ever in their lifetime," he said.

Wendy Gilmour, Canada’s high commissioner to Pakistan, said the development was "an opportunity lost for the students and wider interested community".

Journalist Zarrar Khuhro questioned why the university had arranged the Atif Mian lecture in the first place, saying it was "not rocket science" to predict that the programme would receive a backlash.

"Why do it if you cannot withstand pressure?" he wrote.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1586464/i...f-mians-lecture-after-threats-from-extremists
 
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Wow this is pathetic

The problem is that every day these sort of incidents happen and the government has zero willingness to take on such extremist elements. Two days ago, a group of unemployed and vile men defaced Dr Abdus Salam’s portrait at a science college. No action was taken. In fact, the video went viral and the whole of Pakistan praised the men.
 
Did the PM set a precedent by sacking this guy? Anti ahmadiyya extremists now know that if they make enough noise then things like this will go their way.
 
I'm sure IK/PTI will continue to point fingers at countries where things are much better for minorities instead of fighting prejudice in our own country. I am sure that Atif Mian would be able to deliver this talk in any other Muslim country and in any country with a sizeable Muslim community.

IK set a very weak and dangerous precedent by not standing by Atif Mian when he appointed him in the first place. He should have never given into the fascists.
 
I am a pretty liberal secular guy, but we have to accept some unfortunate ground realities in Pakistan. Pretty dumb move from IBA to begin with, any 2 year old could have foresawn the problems that would have come by, sadly the university lacked the spine to stick by their decision.
 
I'm sure IK/PTI will continue to point fingers at countries where things are much better for minorities instead of fighting prejudice in our own country. I am sure that Atif Mian would be able to deliver this talk in any other Muslim country and in any country with a sizeable Muslim community.

IK set a very weak and dangerous precedent by not standing by Atif Mian when he appointed him in the first place. He should have never given into the fascists.

People like Atif Mian and Ahmedi's need to accept their non-muslim status in public. Once they do that, all their problems will be solved. You don't see anyone in Pakistan objecting to a christian being appointed as federal minister, advisor or as a guest speaker.
 
When Atif Mian was appointed to the PM economic advisory council, no one even knew about his religion and there was no attention around him. That hero complexed self serving PPP and PML N lifafa accepting so called activist Jibran Nasir highlighted the guys religion and heralded the appointment on social media. PML N along with the religious parties then had objections to Atif Mian's appointment
 
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There is no two way about it, Ahmadis are non Muslim and that's a close and shut case, till the day accept this reality this will keep happening to them. You can't be a Muslim without considering Holy prophet as last messenger. No ifs and buts.
 
Yes, you can't call yourself a muslim if you claim that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) was not the final messenger of Allah

Go read up before commenting. They accept the finality of Prophet Muhammad as the last messenger
 
Will IK/PTI step in and take action against these extremists?

No offence but aren’t you a PDM supporter? The major parties in PDM created the most noise when Atif Mian was picked by IK for a advisory role. In fact Maryam Nawaz’s husband led the campaign against him.

Imran Khan and PTI can be blamed for being weak but the hate campaign is usually led by PML-N and Jui-F, both who are part of PDM. Point is you can’t really point fingers at PTI when you support PDM and theirs allies .
 
People like Atif Mian and Ahmedi's need to accept their non-muslim status in public. Once they do that, all their problems will be solved. You don't see anyone in Pakistan objecting to a christian being appointed as federal minister, advisor or as a guest speaker.

Objection on the basis of religion and NOT on the basis of who the person is. Doesn't it show religious intolerance?
 
I wonder Mr. Imran Khan will find time to speak about this issue. Or will he once again rather speak of fascism and injustice towards Muslims in India.
 
Dr Mian was called to impart his knowledge of economics yet there are posters here talking about how Ahmedis need to stop talking about being Muslim. I understand if the boycott was about him lectureing on religion but the intolerance here make 0 sense
 
Objection on the basis of religion and NOT on the basis of who the person is. Doesn't it show religious intolerance?

Religion is the most important basis of who a person is, as religion is your relationship with your Creator. You may be a talented musician or sportsman, but that is your secondary, if not tertiary identity.
 
Objection on the basis of religion and NOT on the basis of who the person is. Doesn't it show religious intolerance?

Out of all the religions in the world, Muslims are the most passionate. Non Muslims need to understand the hurt they cause to Muslims when they riddicule their beliefs or if a Muslim considers himself, calls himself a Muslim but is violating critical principles, foundations of Islam
 
Sad.

Imran Khan should force this through, provide him with executive level security and turn the university into a bubble, every attendee should be screened before allowed entry. Make this an example.
 
Sad.

Imran Khan should force this through, provide him with executive level security and turn the university into a bubble, every attendee should be screened before allowed entry. Make this an example.

Imran Khan? The guy who chucked him out of his cabinet in the first place?
 
Imran Khan? The guy who chucked him out of his cabinet in the first place?

"Chucked him out", save us the overly emotional bollywood lingo. Khan was under immense pressure from the opposition and the religious right who are a very strong lobby - he had no other choice but to let go of Atif Mian even though he was reluctant but he had to make a realpolitik decision. That doesn't mean he can't at least help and strongly push IBA make this event possible.
 
"Chucked him out", save us the overly emotional bollywood lingo. Khan was under immense pressure from the opposition and the religious right who are a very strong lobby - he had no other choice but to let go of Atif Mian even though he was reluctant but he had to make a realpolitik decision. That doesn't mean he can't at least help and strongly push IBA make this event possible.

When he couldn’t save Atif Main for an advisory role why Do you expect he will be able to come to Atif Mians corner for a private university
 
When he couldn’t save Atif Main for an advisory role why Do you expect he will be able to come to Atif Mians corner for a private university

Cause an advisor to a PM is a bigger role whereas a one off speaking event at private college is nowhere near the magnitude.
 
Out of all the religions in the world, Muslims are the most passionate. Non Muslims need to understand the hurt they cause to Muslims when they riddicule their beliefs or if a Muslim considers himself, calls himself a Muslim but is violating critical principles, foundations of Islam

Should we say, there's a different rule for Muslims and another for non Muslims?
 
I wonder Mr. Imran Khan will find time to speak about this issue. Or will he once again rather speak of fascism and injustice towards Muslims in India.

Good you realize that there is a problem in India.
 
It is awful to see IK not speak up against the persecution of minorities. Every day, these sort of extremist incidents happen but the government refuses to take on the perpetrators.

The group of men who defaced a portrait of Dr Abdus Salam three days ago are being showered with love and gratitude by Pakistanis.
 
It is awful to see IK not speak up against the persecution of minorities. Every day, these sort of extremist incidents happen but the government refuses to take on the perpetrators.

The group of men who defaced a portrait of Dr Abdus Salam three days ago are being showered with love and gratitude by Pakistanis.

Ahmedis need to first accept that they are not Muslims, once they officially and publicly do, they automatically become minorities and then people can defend them
 
"Chucked him out", save us the overly emotional bollywood lingo. Khan was under immense pressure from the opposition and the religious right who are a very strong lobby - he had no other choice but to let go of Atif Mian even though he was reluctant but he had to make a realpolitik decision. That doesn't mean he can't at least help and strongly push IBA make this event possible.

"Chucked him out" is Bollywood lingo to you? Go figure. ::J

If a strong lobby has thwarted Imran Khan the first time around, it can thwart him for a second or third time too. Besides, Imran Khan has had 24hrs notice on this now and he hasn't said anything on the subject, let alone acted.

He's not the man for the job.
 
Ahmedis need to first accept that they are not Muslims, once they officially and publicly do, they automatically become minorities and then people can defend them

You are ill-informed. The problem is that Pakistanis are not willing to even accept them as minorities. Do you know Ahmedis were excluded from the recently-established minority commission after threats by extremists?

The persecution of Ahmedis will not stop because almost all Pakistanis believe they are wajib-ul-qatl.

Btw, Saudi Arabia had no problems inviting AM to give a seminar/speech on economics.
 
Funny how alot of the folks posting on this thread were supporting PDM jalsas just yesterday. PPP is a big part of PDM. PPP has government in Sindh. The Chief Minister of Sindh is Murad Ali Shah. The Executive Director of IBA is a personal friend of Murad Ali Shah and was appointed by him earlier this year.

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There I made it in small bite sizes pieces for you lot to understand.
 
Go read up before commenting. They accept the finality of Prophet Muhammad as the last messenger

You need to read even more than that to know why they are not called Muslims. It'ss not even a debate tbh.
 
Ahmedis need to first accept that they are not Muslims, once they officially and publicly do, they automatically become minorities and then people can defend them
They're non muslims as per law. Why do they have to again officially and publicly declare their non muslim status. As soon as they declare publicly they're non-muslim, ahmadi killing would increase exponentially as they would be deemed as blasphemous apostates.
 
Probably saved his life and many others.

Pakistan isn't ready yet, soon will be, just need to educate the masses and get rid of jahil opposition that most on this thread are supporting as if they are the champions of equality, corrupt and poser for equality parties are the reason for this injustice.

The "point scorer" knows it.
 
Yes, you can't call yourself a muslim if you claim that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) was not the final messenger of Allah

Muslims also claim Islam is an Abrahamic faith and claim Abrahm as a Muslim. But Christians and Jews do not object to it.
You can claim anything you want to. You can disagree with them. But banning, maligning and killing is not the way to go.
 
They're non muslims as per law. Why do they have to again officially and publicly declare their non muslim status. As soon as they declare publicly they're non-muslim, ahmadi killing would increase exponentially as they would be deemed as blasphemous apostates.

You don't see anyone assasinating Christians and Hindus. However non-muslims calling themselves Muslims will invite an emotional reaction from the masses
 
I don’t know why he is wasting his time in Pakistan. If he wants to serve Pakistan, he’d be of far more use away from Pakistan and sending dollars back home. In Pakistan he’ll get killed inevitably.
 
I don’t know why he is wasting his time in Pakistan. If he wants to serve Pakistan, he’d be of far more use away from Pakistan and sending dollars back home. In Pakistan he’ll get killed inevitably.

He lives in US and was going to join the event via Zoom. Nobody even knew his religion and extremist mullahs wouldn't even have gotten on his case until that attention seeking loser Jibran Nasir opened his gob and highlighted to the world that he is Ahmedi. I know in an ideal world his religion should not matter, but mullahs have a lot of street power on the Ahmedi issue.
 
He lives in US and was going to join the event via Zoom. Nobody even knew his religion and extremist mullahs wouldn't even have gotten on his case until that attention seeking loser Jibran Nasir opened his gob and highlighted to the world that he is Ahmedi. I know in an ideal world his religion should not matter, but mullahs have a lot of street power on the Ahmedi issue.

Jibran Nasir is not even a real activist, i have seen proof that he turns away 50 cases that are unlikely to give him much success, publicity and only picks up one case which he super highlights on social media and inflates his utility as an activist. And this JN says nothing to the PPP and PML N and is always criticizing IK's and PTI's policies, decisions. He is clearly a recipient of a big fat lifafa.
 
You don't see anyone assasinating Christians and Hindus. However non-muslims calling themselves Muslims will invite an emotional reaction from the masses
Hindus and Christians get assassinated on a regular basis. So are the Shias. Pakistan has absolutely no tolerance for muslims minority groups let alone the non-muslims.

Ahmadis call themselves muslims in Bangladesh. They have their own places of worship and they live in peace. We know who they are so we avoid their places of worships(which are few).

Lastly I dont get the obsession of Pakistanis regarding ahmadis. Yeah they dont believe in the finality of Prophethood. So have debates with them or avoid them if you want. Why all these nonsensical hatred and conspiracy theories as if Ahmadis are aliens or army of satan.
 
Hindus and Christians get assassinated on a regular basis. So are the Shias. Pakistan has absolutely no tolerance for muslims minority groups let alone the non-muslims.

Ahmadis call themselves muslims in Bangladesh. They have their own places of worship and they live in peace. We know who they are so we avoid their places of worships(which are few).

Lastly I dont get the obsession of Pakistanis regarding ahmadis. Yeah they dont believe in the finality of Prophethood. So have debates with them or avoid them if you want. Why all these nonsensical hatred and conspiracy theories as if Ahmadis are aliens or army of satan.

Shia's evoke an emotional reaction because of how evily they look down upon the remaining blessed companions of the Holy Prophet i.e. Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Omer, Hazrat Usman and believe that they deliberately wronged Hazrat Ali. When you over complicate Islam and make contentious claims regarding the Holy Prophet, or other tenets of Islam and still consider yourself a Muslim, you will evoke an angry, emotional reaction.

Do you seriously expect any Muslim Country in the world to invite Salman Rushdie for a guest speaker session and for him to hide behind the freedom of speech?
 
The main immediate reason for of all this problem is that charlatan Jibran Nasir. No one ever knew about Atif Mian’s religious leanings till that clown announced to the world that Atif is Ahmadi. Jibran Nasir is one celebrity obsessed idiot like Tariq Jameel. Always wants to be in the news
 
In my opinion, it’s Pakistan’s loss at the end of the day. Mian is a brilliant mind, and he will not be hurt by this boycott. He will continue to offer his services voluntarily whenever asked by Pakistan.
 
As for Ahmadis having to openly declare that they are non Muslims to avoid persecution...that’s not an Islamic requirement in the first place. Any proof from the history of Islam where the Prophet s.a.w demanded those who he knew were acting as Muslims to declare themselves as non Muslim, or that they should expect persecution on the streets of Medina? Did any of his Caliphs take this stance after his demise? If not, then it’s a very silly thing to suggest Ahmadis are compelled to declare themselves as non-Muslims.

Let’s imagine they actually go ahead with this, what are they to do next? They believe in HMGA as Ahmadis, and the founder of their religion was a person who prayed sincerely to God 5 times a day as a Muslim would. He recited, memorised the Quran like a true Muslim would. He professed great love and Respect for Mohammad s.a.w like a true Muslim would. So what should these newly declared non Muslims do in the Islamic state of Pakistan?
 
Imagine having to call a country your home only to think that your countrymen do not consider you their own. Extremely tough being a Pakistani Ahmadi.
 
Jibran Nasir is not even a real activist, i have seen proof that he turns away 50 cases that are unlikely to give him much success, publicity and only picks up one case which he super highlights on social media and inflates his utility as an activist. And this JN says nothing to the PPP and PML N and is always criticizing IK's and PTI's policies, decisions. He is clearly a recipient of a big fat lifafa.
Much better than you! He lives in Pakistan and raises his voice against oppression and extremism.

Do you know he led protests against Mullah Burqa of Lal Masjid while the rest of Pakistan was looking the other way as they feared being killed by a suicide bomber. JN was also warned by the TTP to stop his activism and prepare to die but that did not stop him.

Do you know he was the only lawyer in Pakistan who was willing to pursue the case against Shahrukh Jatoi? Due to this, Shahrukh Jatoi’s powerful family paid money to Bol New who then painted him as a an Ahmedi and an American agent.

He also led a campaign against Khadim Rizvi well before the government had the courage to arrest the hateful cleric.

It is easy to sit in Montreal and badmouth such activists who put their lives on the line every day.
 
Shia's evoke an emotional reaction because of how evily they look down upon the remaining blessed companions of the Holy Prophet i.e. Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Omer, Hazrat Usman and believe that they deliberately wronged Hazrat Ali. When you over complicate Islam and make contentious claims regarding the Holy Prophet, or other tenets of Islam and still consider yourself a Muslim, you will evoke an angry, emotional reaction.

Do you seriously expect any Muslim Country in the world to invite Salman Rushdie for a guest speaker session and for him to hide behind the freedom of speech?

Evoke am angry, emotional reaction from whom? Deobandis, Barelvis and Ahle hadiths?? Are they the owner of Islam? Their ignorant emotional reactions have no value to Islam. I dont see any emotional reactions getting evoked when jokers like Tariq Jameel propogate absolute falsehood by saying, "Mera Nabi ne farmaya" and going on to attach false statements to Prophet. Emotions only get evoked when the person speaking is either a ahmadi or a shia.

We muslims live in such delusion that it's crazy. Prophet and Islam have been most damaged and vilified by the hadith books. Hadith presents the Prophet as a delusional person who married a six year old, who tried to commit suicide, who thought a child to be the anti-christ, who massacred people in brutal ways, who was affected by magic to the extent that he used to think he had physical relations with his wives when in fact he hadn't.
Muslims have no problem in keeping these hadith books in their homes that defame and insult the Prophet in every other way but have great problems with Salman Rushdie who wrote a book using these very hadiths as the main reference for his books. These hadith books dosent evoke emotional reactions. Anyone reading and using them to raise questions evoke emotional reactions. That's just insane.
 
Much better than you! He lives in Pakistan and raises his voice against oppression and extremism.

Do you know he led protests against Mullah Burqa of Lal Masjid while the rest of Pakistan was looking the other way as they feared being killed by a suicide bomber. JN was also warned by the TTP to stop his activism and prepare to die but that did not stop him.

Do you know he was the only lawyer in Pakistan who was willing to pursue the case against Shahrukh Jatoi? Due to this, Shahrukh Jatoi’s powerful family paid money to Bol New who then painted him as a an Ahmedi and an American agent.

He also led a campaign against Khadim Rizvi well before the government had the courage to arrest the hateful cleric.

It is easy to sit in Montreal and badmouth such activists who put their lives on the line every day.

This may have been in the past but i have seen videos and examples of him where he has abandoned certain cases and victims because he didn't want to ruin his reputation with an unsuccessful case or a case which was not giving him much publicity.

I am also following JN on facebook for the last 2 years and i have observed a pattern with him where he ignores corruption, mismanagement, wrong doing, incompetence from PML N, PPP and ruthlessly criticizes the PTI even if a dog dies in the streets. Even during the KHI floods he did not criticize the PPP. Who can also forget how he selfishly highlighted Atif Mian's religion when no one even knew of his religion. I am sorry but the guy just like many media anchors has prioritized the lifafa and bags
 
People like Atif Mian and Ahmedi's need to accept their non-muslim status in public. Once they do that, all their problems will be solved. You don't see anyone in Pakistan objecting to a christian being appointed as federal minister, advisor or as a guest speaker.

Lo ji Kar lo Gal. This is from a self proclaimed "Liberal secular" . now imagine the mind of a conservative in Pakistan. :facepalm
 
Lo ji Kar lo Gal. This is from a self proclaimed "Liberal secular" . now imagine the mind of a conservative in Pakistan. :facepalm

It is the statement of a secular liberal who is also aware of the ground practical realities of Pakistan. Conservatives will adopt a genocide approach
 
He lives in US and was going to join the event via Zoom. Nobody even knew his religion and extremist mullahs wouldn't even have gotten on his case until that attention seeking loser Jibran Nasir opened his gob and highlighted to the world that he is Ahmedi. I know in an ideal world his religion should not matter, but mullahs have a lot of street power on the Ahmedi issue.

All would be fine if only that idiot JN stayed quite.
 
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