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ICC Champions Trophy 2017 - India thrash Pakistan by 124 runs (D/L method)

layers like Afridi, Umer Akmal and Sharjeel khan always post danger to other teams.

Pleayers like Misbahulhaq(ODI), Yunis khan(ODI) , Asad shafeeq and shehzad always give their wicket away when they need to score fast.

Previously pakistan has won many ,matches because of Afrdi And Razzak . but now no one.

Misbah has completely destroyed the ODI mindset of cricketers.they are suited Only for Test cricket .
 
Guys do you leave everone who you loved once just because they are struggling now or are not well. I believe no, I am not saying appreciate the performance but keep supporting. Change is inevitable in the universe as a whole, so I expect only positive change from here on as one cant play more poorly than as humanly possible (Pak already achieved that). So my point is to keep supporting without expecting a lot and keeping your fingers crossed for some poitive change.
Well said :D
 
That was really heartbreaking i really felt sad one of the worst performance I have seen this team is really garbage 300 is norm nowadays but this team can can't score even 250 they are talentless, strokeless wonders individuals.
Bowlers did decently 320 is no big score on that flat track.Top order should take all blame especially that Hafeez and shehzad.Done with this team
 
What Pakistan should have done differently with the squad they had picked:

Team selection: Shehzad, Hafeez and Wahab should never have been in the XI. Shambolic decisions to play them.

Toss: You just have to bat first on that wicket.

Bowling: There was no point bowling defensively. No worthwhile logic in there at all. When the chance came to receive the rewards for that approach, we dropped the catch and in that moment dropped the match altogether. Two seamers up front, Amir and Junaid. Two slips in place. We had to attack to have any chance to catch India on a bad day. We gave India an easy platform for free.

Fielding: There was zero intensity. No pressure applied, no seizing of the moment and a lackadaisical attitude leading to easy singles throughout. Unforgivable in modern cricket at this level. And there was no excuse for dropping two simple catches after the bowlers had restricted India in the middle overs. Game defining moments in the field.

Batting: Why we end up in the same situation here every time we have a chase on is beyond being pointless talking about. We are hopeless in our batting if we are happy to block out ten whole overs in a situation where we require 8 an over.
 
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A rather stunning piece of statistics showing the gulf between the two team:
India runs per wicket lost: 106.3
Pakistan runs per wicket lost: 18.2
 
In the lead up to this much awaited fixture, all the talk appeared to be about Pakistan being the underdog which transferred all the pressure onto India in the rivals' first match of the 2017 ICC Champions Trophy. Sarfraz Ahmed insisted that Pakistan have nothing to lose due to their #8 ranking, while Virat Kohli opined that Pakistan is a team that can surprise the opposition.

The stakes for an India-Pakistan clash are always high. When the number of matches that they two teams play are reduced to mainly tournaments, the level of anticipation increases. Such was the state of supporters on both sides ahead of this immense fixture.

Fast forward to 10 am on Sunday at Birmingham and it all looked like it was going to plan for Pakistan. The Pakistan captain, Sarfraz Ahmed, won the toss and had no hesitation in opting to bowl first. He announced that Faheem Ashraf had been benched from the twelve that the Pakistan management had nominated on Saturday. Meanwhile, Virat Kohli calmly announced that India had relegated highly rated offie Ravichandran Ashwin to the bench.

The Indian openers strolled out to the middle, looking calm but the nerves were surely there. Mohammad Amir bowled a superb over upfront, with Rohit Sharma playing and missing thrice in the first four balls. A slightly strange decision to open the bowling with Imad Wasim followed; the slow left-armer was economical but failed to provide any threat to the opening batsmen and it was more of the same to follow from Amir after an excellent first over. The partnership built up steadily but just before the ten-over mark, the first rain delay arrived.

After the resumption of play, the limitations of Pakistan’s plan of restricting the batsmen began to show as Wahab Riaz came into the attack and was taken for runs straight away. Rohit got to a well-paced half-century soon after while Shikhar Dhawan followed suit as the batsmen went on the attack. Dhawan soon perished as he hit a full toss from Shadab Khan straight to a fielder in the deep. Sarfraz strangely opted to persist with the spinners against the dangerous newcomer, Kohli but soon reverted to Amir and Hasan after a few overs. Rain once again stopped play with India at 173/1.

The delay this time was a longer one and accordingly, the match was shortened to 48 overs a side. Pakistan soon got their second wicket as Rohit was found short of his crease after some good work by Sarfraz behind the stumps with the opener falling just nine short of a hundred. Yuvraj came out to bat looking like a man on a mission but soon gave a chance to the opposition; however, Hasan Ali grassed the simple catch. That opened the floodgates as the veteran went hell for leather against the Pakistan bowlers with Hasan and Wahab taking much of the damage at the death after Amir went off injured. Kohli joined the party as well as 72 runs were taken off the last four overs with Hardik Pandya contributing in the last over, helping India to 319/3 in 48 overs.

Pakistan’s chase seemed to begin on a decent note but they were always behind the game. Just five overs in, a long rain delay came to the fore once again and the target was reduced to 289 in 41 overs after the resumption. Azhar Ali fought hard, looking for the boundaries but Ahmed Shehzad struggled and was dismissed by Bhuvneshwar Kumar for a painstaking 12. Pakistan’s big hope, Babar Azam came to the crease but failed to achieve fluency in his short stay, eventually perishing to Yadav with an uncharacteristically poor shot, cutting a short and wide delivery to Jadeja at backward point.

The required run-rate only increased from there on as Azhar struggled after the powerplay while Mohammad Hafeez took his time to get going. Azhar eventually got to his fifty, the only Pakistan player to do so in the match, compared to four Indians but was caught soon off Jadeja, sweeping. Shoaib Malik came out with the right intent but the running between the wickets left something to be desired and he was soon run out after an excellent direct hit by the extremely active Jadeja.

It became of procession after that as Hafeez first fell, caught for a 43-ball 33 then Imad Wasim fell for a first ball duck. Sarfraz didn’t last long while Shadab Khan showed a bit of fight, but it was all but over already. Amir and Hasan soon fell and Wahab wasn’t fit to bat, meaning Pakistan were all out for an extremely disappointing 164, losing by 124 runs on the D/L method.

The encounter truly felt like #3 versus #8. Men versus boys. India came prepared and executed their plans, Pakistan looked like they had no plans. In the end, it was a massive win for the Indians and they look well set to qualify for the next round. Next up for them, it’s Sri Lanka while Pakistan will have to contend with the #1 ODI side in the world, South Africa. It’s looking grim for the Men in Green.

So who at this point thought we couldn't do it?
 
We would have won this game if we played Fakhar, Haris, Junaid and Rana jee.
 
Thank you India for this phainti it kick started our CT campaign helped us get rid of excess fat in Wahab and Shehzad, win three games on the trot and then eventually return the phainti with bucketloads of interest on 18th June.
 
The chest thumping from some of the Indian posters was quite interesting..Nice little bump here [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
 
After this match, majority of fans thought Pak team was done. They played amazingly well in rest of the tournament and won the deserved trophy.
 
Ah,the memories.They weren’t so pleasant for June 4th 2017 but they were pretty good afterwards.
 
Moral of the story don't let PAKISTAN get any sort of momentum in a tournament otherwise there is no mai ka laal who can stop them. Happened in 92. Happened in 2009. Happened in 2017.
 
Moral of the story don't let PAKISTAN get any sort of momentum in a tournament otherwise there is no mai ka laal who can stop them. Happened in 92. Happened in 2009. Happened in 2017.

Bhai, thoda filmi touch daal diya aapne.
 
We would have won this game if we played Fakhar, Haris, Junaid and Rana jee.
Dude, you struggled to chase around 230+ against Srilanka in the same tournament. No way in hell you would be chasing 300+ against India.
 
I was confident through out the tournament and never for once thought that we were out of the hunt as you can see from my posts back then. I believe in the Hafiz Sahab Leadership. Sarfraz just needed to chill a little bit which I am sure coaching staff has made him aware.
 
This brings back memories of absolute depression and pretty incredibly elation. I knew the penny had dropped with Pakistani cricket when my Indian roommates gave me pity and changed the subject from the match rather than talk about it because of how one-sided things had become. Then 18th June happened.

If you're a fan of cricket, you know that Pakistan winning the Champions League and becoming a decent side again was the best thing that happened. It made India sit-up first and breathed fire into a rivalry that was dying out, and it actually raised the bar of bowling in the middle overs in ODI's which has been visible across the world after that in all teams. Pakistan, we're truly one of a kind and true pioneers :hasan2
 
How? Indians smoked Hasan Ali, your best bowler in ODIs, to oblivion in this match. No one in your list would have made a difference.

Hassan did pretty decent for the first part of his spell, it was after wahab was going at 10 did Hassan fall to pressure and started bowling full tosses. Before wahabs spell Pakistan was actually creating good pressure on the Indians
 
Hassan did pretty decent for the first part of his spell, it was after wahab was going at 10 did Hassan fall to pressure and started bowling full tosses. Before wahabs spell Pakistan was actually creating good pressure on the Indians
That is because he was bowling against Rohit Sharma who was tuk-tuking. India had only lost 2 wickets by then, and if you have followed how we had batted during those days, that is the time we go bonkers. Kohli was set and unless you are Mitchell Starc bowling those 150 KPH toe-crushing yorkers, you wont be stopping him on a Patta. And it was not only Hassan's fulltosses they hit,even his yorkers were flying to the boundary. A sample below :

Hasan Ali to Yuvraj Singh, FOUR runs, whoa, what timing is that! That's very close to being a yorker, maybe missed it by an inch, no more. Yuvraj cleared his front leg slightly, and ball met ball next to his front foot, and he just shows the full face and hammers it down the ground, giving long-off no chance diving to his left
 
Indian batsmen are amazing and have unique super power to even hit a yorker to the boundaries. But of course only an Indian can convince you that there is no difference between a yorker and almost a yorker. Argue to a wall but never an Indian.
 
Indian batsmen are amazing and have unique super power to even hit a yorker to the boundaries. But of course only an Indian can convince you that there is no difference between a yorker and almost a yorker. Argue to a wall but never an Indian.
Lol.I can dig out posts made by Pakistani ppers wondering how Yuvi and Kohli were hitting yorker length balls to boundaries.Dude, its no longer the 90's.Batsman move around a lot and can make your yorker into a fulltoss.Watch the game again you will come to know.
 
Lol.I can dig out posts made by Pakistani ppers wondering how Yuvi and Kohli were hitting yorker length balls to boundaries.Dude, its no longer the 90's.Batsman move around a lot and can make your yorker into a fulltoss.Watch the game again you will come to know.

I do not argue with your kind but if you don't understand the difference between a yorker and making a fulltoss out of a yorker ATTEMPT, you have serious cricket knowledge issue.
 
That is because he was bowling against Rohit Sharma who was tuk-tuking. India had only lost 2 wickets by then, and if you have followed how we had batted during those days, that is the time we go bonkers. Kohli was set and unless you are Mitchell Starc bowling those 150 KPH toe-crushing yorkers, you wont be stopping him on a Patta. And it was not only Hassan's fulltosses they hit,even his yorkers were flying to the boundary. A sample below :

Hassan made a big mistake by not bowling bouncers and short pitch stuff against Yuvraj Singh. He kept pitching it up in the zone of Yuvraj. Kohli was dropped twice I think in that match. Sarfaraz made many errors in that game such as Imad bowling with the new ball, not bringing in Amir when Kohli arrived at the crease and letting him settle in against spinners.
 
Hassan made a big mistake by not bowling bouncers and short pitch stuff against Yuvraj Singh. He kept pitching it up in the zone of Yuvraj. Kohli was dropped twice I think in that match. Sarfaraz made many errors in that game such as Imad bowling with the new ball, not bringing in Amir when Kohli arrived at the crease and letting him settle in against spinners.
Not exactly. He tried bowling short to Yuvi but not pacy enough to trouble him like Wahab. And none of the mistakes you highlighted could have been avoided had Junaid or Fakhar played that day.
 
Not exactly. He tried bowling short to Yuvi but not pacy enough to trouble him like Wahab. And none of the mistakes you highlighted could have been avoided had Junaid or Fakhar played that day.

Biggest mistakes were playing Wahab, Imad, Shehzad, Malik, Hafeez and Azhar.

Pakistan only had 5 players that day.
 
I do not argue with your kind but if you don't understand the difference between a yorker and making a fulltoss out of a yorker ATTEMPT, you have serious cricket knowledge issue.
oh boy! Dude, we all here are arm-chair experts not ex-cricket players or coaches. So don't put yourselves on a pedestal.:yk. And in this T20 era, batsmen have been moving out their crease and smoking yorkers for a while. You need to get out of the rock you been living under and watch some recent games.
 
Not exactly. He tried bowling short to Yuvi but not pacy enough to trouble him like Wahab. And none of the mistakes you highlighted could have been avoided had Junaid or Fakhar played that day.

He only bowled slower bouncers against Yuvraj instead of bowling it quick like he did in the rest of the tournament.

Junaid would have bowled with the new ball instead of Imad and he is a far better bowler in final 15 overs as compared to Wahab.
 
Yorker still hold its ground in cricket . A perfect yorker at pace can only be played back . No matter how good a batsman is , it can not be made out into a full toss unless ofcourse if the batsman had some outside knowledge of where is the ball is landing and move couple of paces outside the crease to make it into full toss before the bowler is delivered.
 
I do not argue with your kind but if you don't understand the difference between a yorker and making a fulltoss out of a yorker ATTEMPT, you have serious cricket knowledge issue.

oh boy! Dude, we all here are arm-chair experts not ex-cricket players or coaches. So don't put yourselves on a pedestal.:yk. And in this T20 era, batsmen have been moving out their crease and smoking yorkers for a while. You need to get out of the rock you been living under and watch some recent games.

A yorker is a ball that lands at or near the batsman's feet.

If the batsman judges the length early and is able to come forward to the ball before it lands, it isnt a yorker, as it didnt land at his feet.

So no you cant turn a yorker into a full toss, as it isnt a yorker unless it lands at the feet. So I guess the distinction needs to be made between an actual yorker and a very full or yorker length delivery.

But you can turn a yorker length ball to a full toss by coming down the pitch.

The best example to explain this would be to use a doosra delivery as an example.

Saeed ajmal can bowl a doosra from his hand, but it wont spin the other way until it hits the pitch. If the batsman is able to read the length early, charge down the pitch making the delivery a full toss, it doesnt mean he played a doosra as it didnt spin the other way.

I used to think the same way as Dingolfy before, but thinking about it more and more that way of thinking doesnt make sense.
 
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A yorker is a ball that lands at or near the batsman's feet.

If the batsman judges the length early and is able to come forward to the ball before it lands, it isnt a yorker, as it didnt land at his feet.

So no you cant turn a yorker into a full toss, as it isnt a yorker unless it lands at the feet. So I guess the distinction needs to be made between an actual yorker and a very full or yorker length delivery.

But you can turn a yorker length ball to a full toss by coming down the pitch.

The best example to explain this would be to use a doosra delivery as an example.

Saeed ajmal can bowl a doosra from his hand, but it wont spin the other way until it hits the pitch. If the batsman is able to read the length early, charge down the pitch making the delivery a full toss, it doesnt mean he played a doosra as it didnt spin the other way.

I used to think the same way as Dingolfy before, but thinking about it more and more that way of thinking doesnt make sense.

Bhaijan, I have said exaclty what you have said above.To simplify, Hassan can only aim for a cordinate (x1,y1) assuming that Yuvi stands at (x2,y2) hoping it to be a yorker. Now Yuvi can move the postion of his legs from those co-ordinates after Hassan release the ball and smoke him. That is exactly what he did in that match. I am not able to find those highlights which shows what he did in that match.

Here is what Kohli done to Malinga's yorkers which were lethal back in 2012. Watch how he moved in the crease and use his incredible wrists to smoke them.
 
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oh boy! Dude, we all here are arm-chair experts not ex-cricket players or coaches. So don't put yourselves on a pedestal.:yk. And in this T20 era, batsmen have been moving out their crease and smoking yorkers for a while. You need to get out of the rock you been living under and watch some recent games.
Again, oh the new bug under the rock, you can only dig a yorker ball but hitting a yorker for a bounrdry is your wet dream. Learn to know the difference between an actual yorker ball and a ball being made a full toss attempted as a yorker. I am done arguing with an Indian Phasht bowling expert LOL.
 
Again, oh the new bug under the rock, you can only dig a yorker ball but hitting a yorker for a bounrdry is your wet dream. Learn to know the difference between an actual yorker ball and a ball being made a full toss attempted as a yorker. I am done arguing with an Indian Phasht bowling expert LOL.
Evidence is in the above video, bhaijan. Watch it in your free time.:amir2
 
Again, oh the new bug under the rock, you can only dig a yorker ball but hitting a yorker for a bounrdry is your wet dream. Learn to know the difference between an actual yorker ball and a ball being made a full toss attempted as a yorker. I am done arguing with an Indian Phasht bowling expert LOL.

Nope. Even though yorker is still the most suitable delivery in death overs but hitting perfect yorkers for boundaries isn't a wet dream anymore. These days batters can hit even perfect yorkers for boundaries. Don't try to make sound like it's impossible to hit yorkers for boundaries unless the bowler fails to execute the yorker perfectly and mistakenly make it a full toss.

These days players like Abd, Kohli and others move around a lot in the crease and has the ability to make even perfect a yorker a half volley or full toss.
 
Nope. Even though yorker is still the most suitable delivery in death overs but hitting perfect yorkers for boundaries isn't a wet dream anymore. These days batters can hit even perfect yorkers for boundaries. Don't try to make sound like it's impossible to hit yorkers for boundaries unless the bowler fails to execute the yorker perfectly and mistakenly make it a full toss.

These days players like Abd, Kohli and others move around a lot in the crease and has the ability to make even perfect a yorker a half volley or full toss.

I am done arguing with people who do not understand the difference between a yorker and a yorker length ball.
 
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