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ICC CT 2017 | 2nd semi-final: Bangladesh vs India | 15th June, 2017 | Birmingham | Pre-Match Thread

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Bangladesh bat first:

Bangladesh: 270-8
India: 270-4 with one of the top 3 with a 100 (or 2-3 with 50s like in Pak game)

India bat first:

India: 340-7 with one of the top 3 with a 100 (or 2-3 with 50s like in Pak game)
Bangladesh: 280 a.o
 
geraltofrivia said:
Bangladesh bat first:

Bangladesh: 270-8
India: 270-4 with one of the top 3 with a 100 (or 2-3 with 50s like in Pak game)

India bat first:

India: 340-7 with one of the top 3 with a 100 (or 2-3 with 50s like in Pak game)
Bangladesh: 280 a.o
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India never target 340 batting first. They try to get 300 and anything above is bonus courtesy bad bowling or maniac hitting in last 3 overs only
 
mp812rediff said:
India never target 340 batting first. They try to get 300 and anything above is bonus courtesy bad bowling or maniac hitting in last 3 overs only
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post SL match I think there will be a mindset change. Cause thing is India saves too many wickets and end up at 320-4. So I think 340-7 is pretty fair. Even last year WT20 semi final we made 190 odd for 2. :40:
 
With Bumrah being the only guy who is a complete tailender and batting till number 10 India should look to accelerate in the middle overs if batting first. No point in saving wickets.
 
India will score around 320.

Bangladesh will chase it with 3-4 wickets remaining and up to 12 balls to spare.
 
Square Drive said:
Bro I think Bangladesh has a better chance of winning this than most people think.

SL beat you guys and Bangladesh is better than them both on paper and on the rankings.
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Cricket is not maths. Using that logic SA and SL should both have defeated Pakistan as they had higher rankings.

Yes, Bangladesh do have a decent chance as they are a pretty good team I won't deny but they'll have to work very hard.

The SL match was a nice wake up call. We were really turned up in the SA game. Amazing disciplined bowling plus fielding. If we play at that level Bangladesh doesn't have a chance. For Bangladesh to win they will have to perform above their level and India have to perform below theirs.
 
geraltofrivia said:
Cricket is not maths. Using that logic SA and SL should both have defeated Pakistan as they had higher rankings.

Yes, Bangladesh do have a decent chance as they are a pretty good team I won't deny but they'll have to work very hard.

The SL match was a nice wake up call. We were really turned up in the SA game. Amazing disciplined bowling plus fielding. If we play at that level Bangladesh doesn't have a chance. For Bangladesh to win they will have to perform above their level and India have to perform below theirs.
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I like how you decided to focus on the rankings bit, when I clearly stated that Bangladesh > SL on paper as well.

Of course India is likelier to win. But I can see it being a close game.

Agree with the rest of your post.
 
Square Drive said:
Bro I think Bangladesh has a better chance of winning this than most people think.

SL beat you guys and Bangladesh is better than them both on paper and on the rankings.
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By that ranking logic, SA should have won all games and Pakistan none.In cricket logic and past records don’t matter on the match day.
The confidence of team on that day , adherence to strategy planned and execution matter. BD has improved no doubt but not as much as to consistently beat top teams .
India is stronger and complacency and taken by surprise can happen.However after SL loss, complacency will not be a factor.
If BD surprise with some unanticipated strategy , then something can happen.
Everybody expects high scoring game...I have no clue how birmingham track is ..but i have feeling it'll be low scoring match.
England will expect thmeselves to be in final and ECB might prefer BD to India in final so ... a green grassland track can be expected.
 
mp812rediff said:
By that ranking logic, SA should have won all games and Pakistan none.In cricket logic and past records don’t matter on the match day.
The confidence of team on that day , adherence to strategy planned and execution matter. BD has improved no doubt but not as much as to consistently beat top teams .
India is stronger and complacency and taken by surprise can happen.However after SL loss, complacency will not be a factor.
If BD surprise with some unanticipated strategy , then something can happen.
Everybody expects high scoring game...I have no clue how birmingham track is ..but i have feeling it'll be low scoring match.
England will expect thmeselves to be in final and ECB might prefer BD to India in final so ... a green grassland track can be expected.
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Green track will nullify Mustafizur while making Bhuvi lethal. We destroyed them in the Asia cup 2016 on a green track. Bangladesh's best chance is on a low slow track. Even the WT20 match they choked us on such a track and our batsmen couldn't score much runs and we nearly lost except for some brainfades.
 
mp812rediff said:
By that ranking logic, SA should have won all games and Pakistan none.In cricket logic and past records don’t matter on the match day.
The confidence of team on that day , adherence to strategy planned and execution matter. BD has improved no doubt but not as much as to consistently beat top teams .
India is stronger and complacency and taken by surprise can happen.However after SL loss, complacency will not be a factor.
If BD surprise with some unanticipated strategy , then something can happen.
Everybody expects high scoring game...I have no clue how birmingham track is ..but i have feeling it'll be low scoring match.
England will expect thmeselves to be in final and ECB might prefer BD to India in final so ... a green grassland track can be expected.
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Pitches are created as per ICC not by home board (ECB) for ICC tournaments.
 
Hoping for a boring one sided match,but BD has become a good team and hopefully we have plans for their batsmen and bowlers!
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
And icc will prefer Indian advantage for the profitable final :D
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Indian team is much balanced this time. If its seaming bhuvi can be deadly than anyone else. If its flat India can out at Bangladesh easily. Pitch will always favour us. :yk
 
Pollack said:
Indian team is much balanced this time. If its seaming bhuvi can be deadly than anyone else. If its flat India can out at Bangladesh easily. Pitch will always favour us. :yk
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india should bat first .they cant handle pressure if they are going for chasing more than 230
 
For some reason, I am really hoping to see a BD V PAK final. For that to happen, 2 upsets in 2 straight days needs to happen. Who is with me here? It honestly will be better for cricket. This two teams, no one would have even imagined to see them in the semi and here they are, fighting for a place in the final.
 
light said:
For some reason, I am really hoping to see a BD V PAK final. For that to happen, 2 upsets in 2 straight days needs to happen. Who is with me here? It honestly will be better for cricket. This two teams, no one would have even imagined to see them in the semi and here they are, fighting for a place in the final.
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No it won't be better for cricket, this is not a charity tournament. India and England are the best one day sides and both of them are deserving of a final which would be much higher in quality than a Pak vs Bd final.
 
battler said:
No it won't be better for cricket, this is not a charity tournament. India and England are the best one day sides and both of them are deserving of a final which would be much higher in quality than a Pak vs Bd final.
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Don't be sour for no apparent reason. If both Pak/Bd makes it to the finals from here on, it will be on their own terms. How is that not better for cricket? It will show the world that even number 6-8 can hold their own. What does charity has to do with this? No one is deserving of anything. This cup is not for IND/ENG alone! Aus/Nz/Sa is both ranked higher than Pak/Bd and are stronger than both of them if you ask me but you don't see them in the semi do you?
 
Ganguly says that if India plays upto 70% of its ability then they should easily beat Bangladesh :srini
 
battler said:
No it won't be better for cricket, this is not a charity tournament. India and England are the best one day sides and both of them are deserving of a final which would be much higher in quality than a Pak vs Bd final.
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This Indian team is the best based on what? India will lose 4 out of 5 times against teams like Australia, New Zealand and England if the matches r played outside Asia.

India's bowling is mediocre, batting is too top heavy and they don't have any power hitter like other teams do. India is quite poor in limited overs cricket.
 
light said:
Don't be sour for no apparent reason. If both Pak/Bd makes it to the finals from here on, it will be on their own terms. How is that not better for cricket? It will show the world that even number 6-8 can hold their own. What does charity has to do with this? No one is deserving of anything. This cup is not for IND/ENG alone! Aus/Nz/Sa is both ranked higher than Pak/Bd and are stronger than both of them if you ask me but you don't see them in the semi do you?
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What I meant was that India and England are more consistent teams than the other two, if India and England played a 5 match series with these nations you would fancy India and England to come out on top more often than not.
But in a one off match any team can win on a day and so the better team might not necessarily win.
An Aus vs SA final would also be off high quality.
 
Coconut said:
This Indian team is the best based on what? India will lose 4 out of 5 times against teams like Australia, New Zealand and England if the matches r played outside Asia.

India's bowling is mediocre, batting is too top heavy and they don't have any power hitter like other teams do. India is quite poor in limited overs cricket.
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So what these teams will also lose 4 out of 5 times when they place in Asia and every team has some weakness or the other. What's your point?
 
battler said:
What I meant was that India and England are more consistent teams than the other two, if India and England played a 5 match series with these nations you would fancy India and England to come out on top more often than not.
But in a one off match any team can win on a day and so the better team might not necessarily win.
An Aus vs SA final would also be off high quality.
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"No it won't be better for cricket, this is not a charity tournament. India and England are the best one day sides and both of them are deserving of a final which would be much higher in quality than a Pak vs Bd final. "

You completely avoided your own statement and the questions i raised and went around the bush. Once again, this is CHAMPIONS TROPHY. No one will be playing each other 4-5 times. You get one shot at every opponent. What does CHARITY TOURNAMENT has to do with any of this? All 8 teams earned the right to play for the cup, not just ENG-IND, just because they are better and high ranked teams who has better players does not mean they automatically DESERVE to play the final. Seriously!
 
Bangladesh bat first 356/4 ( Brother Soumya 199*)
India 355 all out - brother Soumya wins it by a direct hit

India bats first - 119 all out ( Taskin 6/27 )
Bangladesh 120 - Bangladesh win by 10 wickets

Game over. Bye Bye Team India
 
battler said:
So what these teams will also lose 4 out of 5 times when they place in Asia and every team has some weakness or the other. What's your point?
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Point is, this Indian team is nowhere near as strong in limited overs cricket as u r trying to portray them here.


As I said previously, this Indian team will lose 4 out of 5 times against the likes of Australia or England. Indians should feel extremely lucky that they were in a much more easier group(all thx to bcci)! . If they were in other group they wouldn't have even made it to the semifinal. :uakmal
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Bangladesh bat first 356/4 ( Brother Soumya 199*)
India 355 all out - brother Soumya wins it by a direct hit

India bats first - 119 all out ( Taskin 6/27 )
Bangladesh 120 - Bangladesh win by 10 wickets

Game over. Bye Bye Team India
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India will probably lose the match if they bat first. But I don't think Mashrafee is lucky enough to win the toss. He never does unless it's a useless practice match.
 
Coconut said:
Point is, this Indian team is nowhere near as strong in limited overs cricket as u r trying to portray them here.


As I said previously, this Indian team will lose 4 out of 5 times against the likes of Australia or England. Indians should feel extremely lucky that they were in a much more easier group(all thx to bcci)! . If they were in other group they wouldn't have even made it to the semifinal. :uakmal
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They most likely would have made it.
 
baahubali-prabhas said:
india should bat first .they cant handle pressure if they are going for chasing more than 230
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Is this a newly thought out fact or are you talking about Pakistan team? India will accept an offer of anything between 230 to 290 and play a single innings match - perfect deal (Will rest their bowlers & rest the opposition batsmen :)) )
 
Can understand the trash talking before a india pak match given the history but find it hard to comprehend the Deshis trash talking give how little they have achieved.
 
Dont see many changes in Indian side except Yadav back for Ashwin.

Pandya will be the key here in bowling, BD are more vulnerable against part timers :binny
 
shravan said:
Can understand the trash talking before a india pak match given the history but find it hard to comprehend the Deshis trash talking give how little they have achieved.
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BD fans trying hard to create an artificial rivalry between the teams, thats it.
 
Bangaldesh can beat India

If Bangladesh beat India in 2nd semifinal, i will not consider it as UPSET.

Reasons for this :-
1. Bangladesh have a balanced team. Unargubaly the 2nd best in Asia.

2. Inform Openers-Tamim Iqbal is world class opener who like smacking indian attack. He is in great form too. Plus Sarkar can be very aggresive too.

3. Powerful middle order
Middle order consists of Rahim, Shakib, Mahmudullah can't be taken lightly. Only chance for India is to make Bangladesh bat first . I can see them Chasing any target against this Indian bowling attack

4. Bowling:
Another aspect where bangladesh is looking stronger. They have currently best ODI pacer from Asia in the form of Mustafizur (along with Hasan Ali) and Taskin , both of those have special liking for indians. Then they have likes of experienced duo Mortaza and Shakib and Young talented Mehedi Hasan who can be very unpredictable.

5. Low expectations :
Main thing to worry is that Bangladesh hve nothing to loose as they are lower ranked side plus they were thrashed by India in warm ups..So they will be completely relaxed and calm as ccompared to Indians who have loads of expectations of high ranking, rich reputation of ICC events and crazy fans.

So it will be 50:50 for me as i think Bangladesh will come very hard to us..It will be totally nonsense to write them off as some fans are already predicting India in finals..
 
shravan said:
Can understand the trash talking before a india pak match given the history but find it hard to comprehend the Deshis trash talking give how little they have achieved.
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What trash talking, hmm? Tomorrow India will have to Play out of their skin to beat Bangladesh if they bat first.

60-40 in favor of Bangladesh if they win the toss and bowl first. :yk
 
Coconut said:
What trash talking, hmm? Tomorrow India will have to Play out of their skin to beat Bangladesh if they bat first.

60-40 in favor of Bangladesh if they win the toss and bowl first. :yk
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I hope you guys win the toss and bowl first :srini
 
Enough with all this delusions, its not funny anymore, if BD manages to defeat India in Semis then it will be their biggest upset ever.
India got this.
 
BlueAngel said:
Enough with all this delusions, its not funny anymore, if BD manages to defeat India in Semis then it will be their biggest upset ever.
India got this.
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Indian odi side is extremely overrated. If Bangladesh beat India tomorrow it won't be a big upset. Yes, it'll still be an upset, but a mild one.
 
Fascinating contest between 2 equal teams. Bangladesh have the edge with a superior bowling line up with Masrafe, Sakib, Taskin, Fizz, me thinks.
 
Coconut said:
Indian odi side is extremely overrated. If Bangladesh beat India tomorrow it won't be a big upset. Yes, it'll still be an upset, but a mild one.
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Whats your record against India and whats India's win to loss ratio in last few years?

Ratings dont win you matches, players do and India has no shortage of quality players.
 
its always fun reading bangla fans comments. highly optimistic folks. yes anything can happen in sports. but here I don't see india losing this game. I know its a game and one cant say anything for sure. but too much gap between the two teams in quality and experience in playing big tournaments. I bet Bangla players will put a lot of pressure on themselves. they don't play with nothing to lose attitude, rather they will play as if everything to lose. they will put pressure on themselves and lose it to India. India don't have to do anything different. just play safe and Bangla players will give it to them.
 
Coconut said:
Indian odi side is extremely overrated. If Bangladesh beat India tomorrow it won't be a big upset. Yes, it'll still be an upset, but a mild one.
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Yes overrated team is still far better than your team. what does that say about your team?
 
thehub said:
Yes overrated team is still far better than your team. what does that say about your team?
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I know reality sucks man. Actually there's not that much of a difference between Bangladesh and India in limited overs cricket. Yes, if we compare Bangladesh to England or Australia then obviously the gap is huge, but it's not that much if we compare it to india.

In one day internationals the win loss ratio of both of these two teams have been hovering around .8 against top 8 for last couple of years. So yes, there's not much difference between these two teams in odis. Certainly not as much as u like to believe. :uakmal
 
thehub said:
yes.

Asian Ranking would be something like this.

1)India
2)day light
3)Bangla
4)Pak
5)SL
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Actually rankings would be like this,

1. India
Slight gap
2. Bangla = pak = sl

Looks the hammering that sl gave to india in group stage haven't knock some senses to some of the team blue fans. Don't worry, hopefully tomorrow's hammering will. :uakmal
 
if only the betting sites had the same confidence in Bangladesh that some on their fans here do.

ODDs:

India 1.20
Bangladesh 4.50
 
If India bat first

India 336/6
BD 182 AO

If BD bat first

BD 282/8
India 283/4(46 overs)
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Sri Lanka destroyed Team India, India is overrated
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we are talking about overall ranking. Westindies lost to India in 83 worldcup, you mean that team was overrated? or India should have been ranked higher than that westindies.
 
thehub said:
we are talking about overall ranking. Westindies lost to India in 83 worldcup, you mean that team was overrated? or India should have been ranked higher than that westindies.
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India is overrated because of their fans, if India is in Group B, they would have been knocked out by now
 
Tight match expected. Hopefully pitch is flat. Need Dhawan to fire again, possibly a Yuvi cameo as well.

BD have been progressively improving against us . SO we need to be careful.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Bangladesh bat first 356/4 ( Brother Soumya 199*)
India 355 all out - brother Soumya wins it by a direct hit

India bats first - 119 all out ( Taskin 6/27 )
Bangladesh 120 - Bangladesh win by 10 wickets

Game over. Bye Bye Team India
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Taskin isnt a brother? :(
 
Going off now, InshAllah we will win this. Just hope Babar finds some form before the final and Sarfaraz makes another great decision and drops Azhar for Haris.
 
BD will be all charged up to face rivals PAK in the final, what fi BD lifts the CT 2017,definitely possible
 
India bat first
310/7
Bangladesh
All out 250

Bangladesh bat first
230/9
India chase down the target in 38th over loosing 3 wickets.
 
I can't see BD restricting IND's batting or trigger a collapse. India bats too deep. The only way I can see BD winning this is chase and out bat india (which is possible) but to defend a score against India, a true miracle needs to happen.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Bangladesh bat first 356/4 ( Brother Soumya 199*)
India 355 all out - brother Soumya wins it by a direct hit

India bats first - 119 all out ( Taskin 6/27 )
Bangladesh 120 - Bangladesh win by 10 wickets

Game over. Bye Bye Team India
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are you sure? i imagine the indian team would just refuse to leave the pavilion due to the sheer intimidation of the bangladeshi players!
 
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