ICC Dispute Panel decision: PCB to pay 60% of BCCI's claimed costs & Tribunal expenses in MoU case

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes - hold matches at the neutral venue. Or even go to IND.

As soon as their govt goes a bit less jingoistic, we could have a proper home series.

Now, that is ruined by Sethi.

Is BCCI willing to play matches at neutral venues or India itself?

 

[Banter]

I'm sure they would if they thought the BCCI was in a position to guarantee some sort of light at the end of the tunnel, but even if we assume that they weren't in revenge mode for the next 10 years ( again), there is every chance the Indian govt could decide to pull the rug like the last time. This is about more than cricket, and has been for the last couple of decades. Personally I think PCB should just concentrate on domestic cricket and do what they can with the other cricket boards for international fixtures. Leave BCCI to do their own thing and stop pestering them. That is my biggest issue with the PCB, but even if the entire board is sacked and replaced, I don't believe the new board should approach or even address the BCCI through third parties unless the BCCI themselves initiate contact.

That would be a dereliction of their duties to Pakistan cricket. Again, you are reacting out of emotion. Resumption of cricket ties means more than 50 million dollars profit for Pakistan cricket. Pakistan cricket badly needs that money. It is the board's responsibility to do the work that's required to maximize profits so that the country's cricket needs are taken care of. If Pak cricket didn't need the money, then sure, they could afford to do what you suggest. But putting ego aside, let's be honest. Pakistan cricket badly needs that money. They should not indulge their emotions and ego and harm Pakistan cricket in the process.

 

[topspin]

I am not arguing who was right or wrong in 2009, or 2011, it was put by the poster Savak that PCB had a terrible relationship with the most powerful board, all I was asking was, what in his opinion could the PCB do to encourage better relations with India.

Something specific would be good rather than a generic reply along the lines of act in a more professional or diplomatic manner. For example, in an effort to resume bilateral tours, what approach would you suggest PCB take?

What do you mean by something specific? As detailed in my last post PCB has shot itself in the foot with their lack of respect towards the BCCI. There is no chance they will be able to resume bilateral tours in the short term future, when they've tried to sue them for money when BCCI was within its rights to not send its team to play against Pakistan because there was no agreement made which was legally binding.

What would help is seeing the newly formed PCB reach out to BCCI as a gesture of goodwill and actually acknowledge their wrongs and vow no repeat of such episodes without any expectations of commitment.. Making peace would be the first step in improving relations. Once BCCI can trust PCB, then they may revive cricketing ties but for now as unfortunate as it may sound, the likes of Kohli and co may never play a test against Pakistan. It is going to take time but they will need to get their act together first.

 

[Banter]

Is BCCI willing to play matches at neutral venues or India itself?

BCCI had already made an official proposal to play Pakistan's 'home' series in India, and allow PCB to take the profits after reimbursing the costs. PCB refused that offer. As of now, I believe that offer is not going to be on the table. But with some quiet diplomacy by the PCB, this is probably the best way out of the mess for them. Not right away, but a couple of years from now. This way, the PCB has something to offer the BCCI as well. And they will need to do that, in order to mend fences. But first, they will need to do the diplomatic work, make loud and public noises about respecting the BCCI to undo the damage done.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

BCCI had already made an official proposal to play Pakistan's 'home' series in India, and allow PCB to take the profits after reimbursing the costs. PCB refused that offer. As of now, I believe that offer is not going to be on the table. But with some quiet diplomacy by the PCB, this is probably the best way out of the mess for them. Not right away, but a couple of years from now. This way, the PCB has something to offer the BCCI as well. And they will need to do that, in order to mend fences. But first, they will need to do the diplomatic work, make loud and public noises about respecting the BCCI to undo the damage done.

I was unaware of that, I don't follow cricket that closely any more, my assumption was that BCCI was refusing games of all types other than ICC events where they were obliged to play to maintain the integrity of the competitions for the benefit of other teams competing. In that case, the PCB were indeed bone-headed assuming what you say is true.

 

[sshakir411]

Najam Sethi’s gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Banter]

I was unaware of that, I don't follow cricket that closely any more, my assumption was that BCCI was refusing games of all types other than ICC events where they were obliged to play to maintain the integrity of the competitions for the benefit of other teams competing. In that case, the PCB were indeed bone-headed assuming what you say is true.

Boneheaded doesn't begin to describe it. Not only did they pass up the chance to make millions in profits, they also provoked the BCCI by acting out of spite during the WT20. India was hosting, and the head of BCCI had slickly scheduled the Ind-Pak game in his home state - the beautiful stadium in the mountains at Dharamsala. The PCB seized on some statements by some random 2-bit politician somewhere and forced a change of venue. Moving it to Kolkata. Now, honestly speaking, there wasn't any difference in security arrangements or risk to the Pakistan team in either Dharamsala or Kolkata. But the PCB had a chance to "strike back" at BCCI, and they chose to use it. Sure, it worked to an extent. That BCCI honcho didn't get to maximize profits for his home state cricket association. But what really did the PCB gain out of doing that, other than some silly emotional satisfaction of "hitting back" at the BCCI? Don't you think that the BCCI officials will remember these actions? Along with the silly lawsuits, the threats and nonsense statements made? PCB needlessly made the BCCI incur extra costs, and scrutiny from ICC officials etc. Now when they get the chance, will they choose to make things easy or difficult for PCB?

Actions have reactions and consequences. And board officials should act in a manner that leads to benefits to their cricket board, not by playing to the gallery or out of silly egos.

 

[Napa]

I think they sanctioned £1mn for this. Clifford chance are very expensive.

PCB should sue their lawyers. It should have been apparent to any mediocre lawyer that PCB had a legally non-enforceable MOU and they should not have proceeded with the case.

 

[Napa]

Withdraw from any Indian matches in ICC tournaments. Do it last minute too.

PCB gets a lot of money by participating in ICC tournaments. Sabotaging ICC tournaments is not really a great idea, more like shooting oneself in the foot.

 

[Savak]

PCB should sue their lawyers. It should have been apparent to any mediocre lawyer that PCB had a legally non-enforceable MOU and they should not have proceeded with the case.

I agree, BCCI should be recovering the damages from the PCB lawyers instead.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again...please provide specifics on how introspection and corrective measures can get BCCI to resume cricket ties bearing in mind that the BCCI itself cannot resume them without Indian govt approval.

One example: When Indo Pak series were suspended from 1987 to 1997, they played numerous tri series in UAE.

 

[Napa]

The BCCI has morphed into an organisation which is prepared to use its power to squash the rest of the world. It's the kind of strategy that Donald Trump is famous for.

Trump just announced he is getting the US military out of Syria. Quite the opposite of what you are accusing him of.

 

[Birdman]

Can you suggest any ways in which the PCB could encourage a better relationship with the most powerful board?

They could have started off with not sueing BCCI, and handled it diplomatically, even if it don’t yield desired results. That part is over now. Going further, PCB should pay the ordered legal fees and put this matter behind.
BCCI head honchos love money and India Vs Pakistan brings lot of it, as soon as political climate clears they will agree to a series. BCCI handles its affairs like a business and they are profit driven, whereas PCB is ran like a political party, they love playing to their audience.

PCB should quit pulling of stunts like pulling players out of IPL and pull out of ICC tournament in India citing phony security reasons. Yes they were able to win the war but lot the battle.

Quit shooting off anti BCCI statements and control the statements made by contracted players.

In the end it’s all about money.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB gets a lot of money by participating in ICC tournaments. Sabotaging ICC tournaments is not really a great idea, more like shooting oneself in the foot.

PCB has signed the MPA with ICC. If they withdraw they will be sued.

 

[Napa]

Can India or Pakistan pull out of India-Pakistan matches on their own? Can’t the ICC overrule it and even punish the team by suspensding it from the tournament itself?

India-Pakistan matches result in big earnings for networks which get a lot of money from advertisers. If either country pulls out of a game, it will result in large financial losses, which will finally be transmitted to ICC (as lower bids for ICC tournaments in future years). So ICC is sure to cut the amount of money the boycotting country receives from it.

 

[Napa]

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I don't think it "is routine for losing party to pay FULL costs of winning party." Maybe someone who has better knowledge of the legal system can clarify.

 

[Napa]

Just another reason to hate Indian cricket, BCCI and its team.

1.2 million not a big amount, we should be petty and give this amount to BCCI in 1 cent coins.

ala how <b>Samsung paid the fine to Apple in 1 cent coins a few years ago.</b> And tell them beggars cant be choosers


And from now on it should be PCB policy to vote against India in every ICC vote, regardless of the issue.

"A nickel weighs 5g. It would take 2,755 18-wheeler trucks (max legal tare 80,000 lbs) to carry the money."

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

 

[Savak]

PCB should give the amount in 50 year installment plan

 

[Napa]

Again...please provide specifics on how introspection and corrective measures can get BCCI to resume cricket ties bearing in mind that the BCCI itself cannot resume them without Indian govt approval.

When it comes to playing Pakistan, the Indian government controls BCCI. The root of the issue is the number of India security personnel dying in Kashmir. As soon as they stop dying, you can expect the Indian government to let the Indian team play.

You should ask yourself, who benefits from the continuing low-level war in Kashmir?

 

[Saj]

This proves that the pcb needs to go after the lawyers who misled them out of greed for legal fees

It was the PCB's decision to pursue this, not their lawyers.

The lawyers did not put a gun to the head of PCB officials and force them to take the BCCI to court.

 

[Savak]

It was the PCB's decision to pursue this, not their lawyers.

The lawyers did not put a gun to the head of PCB officials and force them to take the BCCI to court.

The lawyers must have convinced the PCB that they had a very good chance of winning the case. I doubt the PCB would have gone through with the whole drama if they had full proof they had zero chance.

 

[Birdman]

The lawyers must have convinced the PCB that they had a very good chance of winning the case. I doubt the PCB would have gone through with the whole drama if they had full proof they had zero chance.

You can’t sue the store that sold you a lottery ticket if you don’t win. It was PCB’s decision to pursue this case, not the lawyers. Unless the lawyers committed gross negligence, you can’t go after them.

 

[Saj]

The lawyers must have convinced the PCB that they had a very good chance of winning the case. I doubt the PCB would have gone through with the whole drama if they had full proof they had zero chance.

No lawyer is going to tell their client you are going to lose and you are wasting your time.

But ultimately it was PCB's decision to pursue this.

 

[Savak]

No lawyer is going to tell their client you are going to lose and you are wasting your time.

But ultimately it was PCB's decision to pursue this.

Lawyers and Accountants of repute and integrity tell their clients the truth and their realistic chances of success and then leave the choice to them with regards to the course of action to take.

 

[Banter]

Lawyers and Accountants of repute and integrity tell their clients the truth and their realistic chances of success and then leave the choice to them with regards to the course of action to take.

Sure. Blame the lawyers now. Blame them, Blame the ICC, Blame BCCI, Indian government, Indian fans. Blame everybody except the ones who made one foolish decision after another. A whole series of them.

 

[Tusker]

Lawyers and Accountants of repute and integrity tell their clients the truth and their realistic chances of success and then leave the choice to them with regards to the course of action to take.

PCB's legal team had a Pak Supreme court advocate in it.

 

[Savak]

PCB's legal team had a Pak Supreme court advocate in it.

According to Sethi, the PCB'S local law firm told them they had a solid case with a full 40 page summary but they recommended the pcb contact a UK law firm with plenty of experience and expertise in handling sporting disputes and that UK firm gave the PCB a 100 page summary telling the pcb it had a very v strong case.

PCB should make the BCCI and the ICC target these
law firms for compensation

 

[Tusker]

According to Sethi, the PCB'S local law firm told them they had a solid case with a full 40 page summary but they recommended the pcb contact a UK law firm with plenty of experience and expertise in handling sporting disputes and that UK firm gave the PCB a 100 page summary telling the pcb it had a very v strong case.

PCB should make the BCCI and the ICC target these
law firms for compensation

What? The BCCI or ICC did not hire these lawyers or recommended them to PCB. And as you said your own lawyers were incompetent. You can't blame anyone for PCB's incompetence and stupidity.

 

[Savak]

What? The BCCI or ICC did not hire these lawyers or recommended them to PCB. And as you said your own lawyers were incompetent. You can't blame anyone for PCB's incompetence and stupidity.

But it is clear that these law firms out of greed for $$$ deliberately mislead the pcb with regards to their chances of winning the case and therefore now they should be countersued for deceit and fraud

 

[Varun]

But it is clear that these law firms out of greed for $$$ deliberately mislead the pcb with regards to their chances of winning the case and therefore now they should be countersued for deceit and fraud

When does this end? What if the new lawyers mess up and then you have to sue and countersue lawyers of lawyers of lawyers...#Inception

 

[Tusker]

But it is clear that these law firms out of greed for $$$ deliberately mislead the pcb with regards to their chances of winning the case and therefore now they should be countersued for deceit and fraud

Sure. Please let PCB know of this option. Iam sure everyone will enjoy the comedy show that follows. But not sure why you think the ICC and BCCI should be the ones suing these lawyers.

When does this end? What if the new lawyers mess up and then you have to sue and countersue lawyers of lawyers of lawyers...#Inception

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[Kaka_Hathrasi]

When does this end? What if the new lawyers mess up and then you have to sue and countersue lawyers of lawyers of lawyers...#Inception

It will keep going on till BCCI doesnt honour the MOU.

 

[Hawkeye]

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LOL.

How DUMB can one be?

Never thought he'd be such a fool. Now he's trying to find something POSITIVE in this!!!!

 

[Hawkeye]

The lawyers must have convinced the PCB that they had a very good chance of winning the case. I doubt the PCB would have gone through with the whole drama if they had full proof they had zero chance.

Stop.

It was PCB who did it and went ahead with it. Rather, Najam who was full of himself.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When it comes to playing Pakistan, the Indian government controls BCCI. The root of the issue is the number of India security personnel dying in Kashmir. As soon as they stop dying, you can expect the Indian government to let the Indian team play.

You should ask yourself, who benefits from the continuing low-level war in Kashmir?

I already said this is a political issue above all else, so once we establish that, then it becomes a case about what the respective boards could do to circumvent it. I thought BCCI was refusing to play any bilateral games between Pakistan and India apart from select ICC events, but it seems that they are prepared to play at home and at neutral venues. If that is the case, then I would definitely put the blame at the door of the PCB, regardless of how good their case is or isn't. So I hope that clears that up for you, I have already said this in an earlier post.

 

[Tusker]

LOL.

How DUMB can one be?

Never thought he'd be such a fool. Now he's trying to find something POSITIVE in this!!!!

What is more disturbing is that top level administrators in Pakistan have the intellect and mental capacity that is no different from the avg barely educated and largely emotion driven volatile fans on the street. And Iam not basing my opinion based on just an isolated incident here and there. Its a consistent pattern.

 

[Hitman]

But it is clear that these law firms out of greed for $$$ deliberately mislead the pcb with regards to their chances of winning the case and therefore now they should be countersued for deceit and fraud

So if you end up losing a case, you'll sue your lawyer after that since according to you he wasn't being honest with you upfront about the case's merits and tell you beforehand that you might as well end up losing the case?

 

[Savak]

So if you end up losing a case, you'll sue your lawyer after that since according to you he wasn't being honest with you upfront about the case's merits and tell you beforehand that you might as well end up losing the case?

Why else would the lawyer agree to fight the case then? It is clear he convinced the client out of greed for $$$

 

[Hitman]

Why else would the lawyer agree to fight the case then? It is clear he convinced the client out of greed for $$$

The lawyer accepted the case because the client approached him. Who asked the client to approach that lawyer? The job of a lawyer is to accept or decline a case from a client based on what he desires to.

 

[Varun]

Why else would the lawyer agree to fight the case then? It is clear he convinced the client out of greed for $$$

In every case, there is an accused and an accuser - both represented by two laywers. If the case is dragged to a logical conclusion, one will win and the other will lose.

Does this mean that the lawyer who loses is always playing for $$$ out of greed?

 

[Hawkeye]

What is more disturbing is that top level administrators in Pakistan have the intellect and mental capacity that is no different from the avg barely educated and largely emotion driven volatile fans on the street. And Iam not basing my opinion based on just an isolated incident here and there. Its a consistent pattern.

Very true.

 

[Savak]

The lawyer accepted the case because the client approached him. Who asked the client to approach that lawyer? The job of a lawyer is to accept or decline a case from a client based on what he desires to.

But what Sethi is saying is both the law firms the PCB approached convinced it that they had a very solid case, but with the subsequent judgement and assessment that the PCB had a much weaker case then they were led to believe, then an investigation in merited as to whether the law firms deliberately misled the PCB for fees and if the answer is yes then the damages to the PCB should rightfully be passed on to these 2 law firms to prevent such future unethical practices.

 

[Savak]

In every case, there is an accused and an accuser - both represented by two laywers. If the case is dragged to a logical conclusion, one will win and the other will lose.

Does this mean that the lawyer who loses is always playing for $$$ out of greed?

This is a civil litigation matter, not a criminal case where both sides have no choice but to have lawyers involved.

 

[Itachi]

But what Sethi is saying is both the law firms the PCB approached convinced it that they had a very solid case, but with the subsequent judgement and assessment that the PCB had a much weaker case then they were led to believe, then an investigation in merited as to whether the law firms deliberately misled the PCB for fees and if the answer is yes then the damages to the PCB should rightfully be passed on to these 2 law firms to prevent such future unethical practices.

Even if that's the case, still PCB HAVE TO pay the price as it is the losing party. whether PCB pursue sueing the farm is PCBs own agenda and has nothing to do with ICC and BCCI. If PCB could recover the amount, great! Even if they can't, they can't shy away from responsibility.

the plantiff was PCB and not the farm. ICC and BCCI have no logical way to go after the farm.

In either case, PCB have to pay the amount.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon in all fairness you don't have a leg to stand on here when you were lecturing his critics (including myself) with "there is no cure for Sethiphobia" being regurgitated

You've shown your a blind follower and too stubborn to even admit his failings.

Secondly, how is it a win-win for Mani to inherit a mess? It's not fair for him that he has to govern a PCB that has lost 2mn because of the incompetence and shambles of his predecessor. It puts him at a disadvantage.

If I recall correctly, you're a Man U fan, so surely it is a win-win situation for Mourinho's successor for inheriting an accumulated mess because they will get "extra credit". Now see how absurd you sound when I use your logic.

You're happy to call anyone one out like with the Sethiphobe jibe but lets not be disingenuous here and be dismissive of Sethi's wrongdoing as simply being "at the wrong place at the wrong time".

You seem adamant that Mani will fail but one thing I will say given his background as ICC CEO/Chairman he is far more qualified and competent than Sethi. For instance he would have ensured the MoU isn't suffice for any agreements with BCCI going forward as it isn't legally binding.

Look you can call me what you want, but I firmly believe that Sethi gets too much heat for his political orientation. He has done some good work as PCB Chairman but never got his due because of his pro-PMLN stance.

Also, I believe that PCB's delusions with respect to BCCI and its sense of entitlement is not solely down to Sethi. As an organisation, it has been whining about the MOU long before he became a part of the setup.

Furthermore, the decision to go court was not exactly an autonomous decision on Sethi's part. PCB would have gone forward with the case anyway, and Sethi was simply unfortunate to be the one to give the green light. However, of course, I do blame Sethi for not taking a firm stand against this. A man of his network and clout should have known that PCB had no chance of triumphing at all.

Mani maybe more qualified and experienced on paper, but his first significant decision as Chairman was to established a committee headed by Mohsin Khan, which clearly exhibits that he is no up to the task either. Besides, he spent years badmouthing BCCI before conveniently changing his tune after the verdict for damage control purposes.

And for the record, I support Arsenal.

 

[Savak]

The pcb should watch the ICC BCCI tussle for now.

But the pcb should insist on a 50 year installment plan

 

[Varun]

The pcb should watch the ICC BCCI tussle for now.

But the pcb should insist on a 50 year installment plan

Serious question - has this verdict had any ramifications on your finances, personally? Where do you live? What is your connection to the PCB?

 

[latecut]

He could be the lawyer PCB hired.

 

[Savak]

Serious question - has this verdict had any ramifications on your finances, personally? Where do you live? What is your connection to the PCB?

Canada. The land of the shivering Canucks

 

[Savak]

He could be the lawyer PCB hired.

Should the pcb sue me then?

 

[Varun]

Canada. The land of the shivering Canucks

So what's in it for you? I get the casual curiosity or mild outrage or befuddlement, but to go on for weeks like this over something that is not even the Pakistani taxpayer's money?

 

[Savak]

So what's in it for you? I get the casual curiosity or mild outrage or befuddlement, but to go on for weeks like this over something that is not even the Pakistani taxpayer's money?

Nothing but feeling of outrage over injustice

 

[jagatk]

Nothing but feeling of outrage over injustice

Do you have a proof of this purported injustice beyond your own delusions. Because if there was any injustice PCB would be going CAS right now.

 

[Abdullah719]

Nothing but feeling of outrage over injustice

Feelings don't come into the discussion, PCB obviously did not have a strong enough legal case and that's all that matters.

 

[gazza619]

Do you have a proof of this purported injustice beyond your own delusions. Because if there was any injustice PCB would be going CAS right now.

I think if we put matters in a common man language, BCCI promised series to PCB, PCB supported BCCI in return, BCCI signed MOU, BCCI refused to honour MOU, PCB lost and now on top of the lost revenue from Indian series has to reimburse costs. It is natural to be upset about the series of events. (Putting aside if PCB had a legal case or not)

 

[jagatk]

I think if we put matters in a common man language, BCCI promised series to PCB, PCB supported BCCI in return, BCCI signed MOU, BCCI refused to honour MOU, PCB lost and now on top of the lost revenue from Indian series has to reimburse costs. It is natural to be upset about the series of events. (Putting aside if PCB had a legal case or not)

Injustice in any language means miscarriage of justice and this poster in another thread claimed Icc basically picked a DRC to fix a result against PCB. You cannot keep claiming foul and not show proof.

 

[jagatk]

Also PCB actually did nothing in support. With or without PCB vote big 3 was going to happen, BCCI already had the 9 votes required iirc, PCB's vote was as material as yours or mine would have been on that decision.

 

[gazza619]

Also PCB actually did nothing in support. With or without PCB vote big 3 was going to happen, BCCI already had the 9 votes required iirc, PCB's vote was as material as yours or mine would have been on that decision.

Yeah that may be right but I am thinking why did BCCI even sign the MOU?

 

[jagatk]

Yeah that may be right but I am thinking why did BCCI even sign the MOU?

Money my friend, BCCI for all its politics, inefficiency and mess is made up of relatively smart folk. Ind vs Pak is a sure shot money maker and bcci loves nothing more than making money.

 

[jashan83]

Its better to try and fail, rather than fail to try. Well that can be said about this case and loss in short term. However in long term, a communication channel should have always been open instead of go for it with full throttle. But in Indian Subcontinent, local politics especially showcasing always trumps the hard right

 

[Savak]

Its better to try and fail, rather than fail to try. Well that can be said about this case and loss in short term. However in long term, a communication channel should have always been open instead of go for it with full throttle. But in Indian Subcontinent, local politics especially showcasing always trumps the hard right

Pakistani fans are too negative about the whole case. Sure the PCB is out of pocket by $3-4 million but God gave them $6.35 million via the sale of the sixth team and another $36 million via TV rights and most importantly the valuable lesson that the BCCI has zero integrity, their verbal assurances and legal, non legal agreements are as good as toilet paper and karma is sweet given that the BCCI will be out of pocket by $23 million very soon and therefore the net impact of everything is a loss of $21 million to the BCCI.

Those saying but the pcb will now never get to play a bilateral home series with India need to wake up and smell the coffee, the BCCI on its own was deliberately refusing to play Pakistan with or without Indian govt permission where it would be financially beneficial to Pakistan and will be continuing to do the same in the future.

The PCB now smells the coffee that the BCCI is hell bent on hurting Pakistan Cricket at every level and that they seriously need to pursue non BCCI options to stand on their own two feet financially which they are beginning to do with the psl

 

[AlizeeFan]

Pakistani fans are too negative about the whole case. Sure the PCB is out of pocket by $3-4 million but God gave them $6.35 million via the sale of the sixth team and another $36 million via TV rights and most importantly the valuable lesson that the BCCI has zero integrity, their verbal assurances and legal, non legal agreements are as good as toilet paper and karma is sweet given that the BCCI will be out of pocket by $23 million very soon and therefore the net impact of everything is a loss of $21 million to the BCCI.

Those saying but the pcb will now never get to play a bilateral home series with India need to wake up and smell the coffee, the BCCI on its own was deliberately refusing to play Pakistan with or without Indian govt permission where it would be financially beneficial to Pakistan and will be continuing to do the same in the future.

The PCB now smells the coffee that the BCCI is hell bent on hurting Pakistan Cricket at every level and that they seriously need to pursue non BCCI options to stand on their own two feet financially which they are beginning to do with the psl

Everyone knows assurances of which board is has no value and that's why even after so much begging in front of each board, no one is willing to play at their home even with countless assurances.

 

[jagatk]

Pakistani fans are too negative about the whole case. Sure the PCB is out of pocket by $3-4 million but God gave them $6.35 million via the sale of the sixth team and another $36 million via TV rights and most importantly the valuable lesson that the BCCI has zero integrity, their verbal assurances and legal, non legal agreements are as good as toilet paper and karma is sweet given that the BCCI will be out of pocket by $23 million very soon and therefore the net impact of everything is a loss of $21 million to the BCCI.

Those saying but the pcb will now never get to play a bilateral home series with India need to wake up and smell the coffee, the BCCI on its own was deliberately refusing to play Pakistan with or without Indian govt permission where it would be financially beneficial to Pakistan and will be continuing to do the same in the future.

The PCB now smells the coffee that the BCCI is hell bent on hurting Pakistan Cricket at every level and that they seriously need to pursue non BCCI options to stand on their own two feet financially which they are beginning to do with the psl

So this already done like how PCB were going to get those 60 mn they were owed, you never learn do you?

 

[Savak]

Everyone knows assurances of which board is has no value and that's why even after so much begging in front of each board, no one is willing to play at their home even with countless assurances.

Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, World Eleven, PSL players and now Australia beg to differ. The PCB has not insisted on any team this year because their international calendar was packed this year

 

[Savak]

So this already done like how PCB were going to get those 60 mn they were owed, you never learn do you?

ICC being the sole regulatory authority in cricket will do it and the BCCI will fall in line like an obedient fellow member country

 

[jagatk]

ICC being the sole regulatory authority in cricket will do it and the BCCI will fall in line like an obedient fellow member country

Yes ofcourse just like how ICC were supposed to give you those 60mn from bcci's revenue share, if there isn't a document that proves that BCCI agreed to reimburse ICC, they aren't getting a nickel, and take CT and WC away from India and you are asking for India to leave the ICC, I wonder who will Most boards choose, the one nation who gets you most of your money or a bunch of administrators, a really tough choice.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ICC being the sole regulatory authority in cricket will do it and the BCCI will fall in line like an obedient fellow member country

Thats what you wish. Doesnot mean it will happen.

 

[jagatk]

Also ICC isn't FIFA, they are a member based body not a regulating authority above everybody.

 

[jagatk]

Thats what you wish. Dont you?

That's what he dreams, just like the last one, we know how it ends.

 

[AlizeeFan]

ICC being the sole regulatory authority in cricket will do it and the BCCI will fall in line like an obedient fellow member country

And then you wake up with your fake documents.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, West Indies, World Eleven, PSL players and now Australia beg to differ. The PCB has not insisted on any team this year because their international calendar was packed this year

Yeah, and PCB keeps begging everywhere.

 

[Tusker]

ICC being the sole regulatory authority in cricket will do it and the BCCI will fall in line like an obedient fellow member country

firing from someone elses shoulder ehh? ... that too an ICC headed by an Indian talk about irony and impotent anger ... lol

 

[Savak]

So this already done like how PCB were going to get those 60 mn they were owed, you never learn do you?

Loving the Indian display of nationalism just because they make more money then the rest of the world.

I see no reason for the ICC to be doing all this just to back down at the end. Also the BCCI has backed down before when they had to drop Sehwag in 2001 after ICC threats of expulsion and suspension.

Would love to see the BCCI break free from the ICC and then offer toilet paper MOU's to all ICC member states in efforts to make them leave the ICC and join it.

 

[Varun]

Loving the Indian display of nationalism just because they make more money then the rest of the world.

I see no reason for the ICC to be doing all this just to back down at the end. Also the BCCI has backed down before when they had to drop Sehwag in 2001 after ICC threats of expulsion and suspension.

Would love to see the BCCI break free from the ICC and then offer toilet paper MOU's to all ICC member states in efforts to make them leave the ICC and join it.

Please go to sleep. India and the BCCI are the kings of the ICC. That is not in any doubt to anybody bar you. It is a fact that is as certain as ice cream being cold.

 

[Savak]

Please go to sleep. India and the BCCI are the kings of the ICC. That is not in any doubt to anybody bar you. It is a fact that is as certain as ice cream being cold.

We will see on Dec 31 or Jan 1 when the BCCI will be - $23 million and the PCB will repay the BCCI and the ICC via a 50 year installment plan. Actually the BCCI owes the PCB money from the 1996 World Cup therefore the PCB could argue for netting it off against that

 

[Varun]

We will see on Dec 31 or Jan 1 when the BCCI will be - $23 million and the PCB will repay the BCCI and the ICC via a 50 year installment plan. Actually the BCCI owes the PCB money from the 1996 World Cup therefore the PCB could argue for netting it off against that

If such a thing happens, I'm sure nobody will begrudge you the motive for creating a thread and rejoicing.

In the meantime, even you have to admit that you are speculating out of some kind of desperate patriotic urge. Which is fine, but when it comes to the BCCI, to what end? You could be ranting away for 22 years and counting - which is the number of years since the 1996 issue you have quoted.

My advice? Get a drink and go to bed.

 

[Savak]

Should the PCB argue that the BCCI-ICC costs be netted against the 1996 World Cup dues?

The PCB was owed money by the BCCI from the 1996 World Cup which the BCCI never paid the PCB. I believe the PCB should argue that legal cost reimbursement owing to the BCCI should be netted against that liability and the PCB will only reimburse the ICC for the administrative costs of the tribunal.

Definately a cool idea to float to the PCB and Ehsan Mani while we wait for the BCCI to pay $23 million to the ICC by Dec 31 or Jan 1

 

[Savak]

If not then the 50 year plus installment plan is another cool idea. Keep paying them pennies

 

[Tusker]

I see no reason for the ICC to be doing all this just to back down at the end. Also the BCCI has backed down before when they had to drop Sehwag in 2001 after ICC threats of expulsion and suspension.

Do you realize that BCCI got the Match referee (Mike Denness) removed from the very next match and that ICC had to back down on their charges vs Tendulkar ? Infact Mike Denness officiated in a grand total of 2 Tet matches after that and was replaced lol. That was the last time someone tried to bully BCCI and got owned in the process. Sehwag was a nobody at that time and they let that go. Don't think for a moment that BCCI would have been so forgiving if it had it been a iconic player.

 

[Kaka_Hathrasi]

Mr. [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] PCB is run by Ehshan Mani. And he will not make matter worse for PCB by thinking like an ordinary fan. PCB will pay 60% of the cost without any hassle.

Secondly ICC is not going to get a penny from BCCI. You can create another thread after that , how ICC can get BCCI to pay $23 million.