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Hope India will win so that we get a Pak vs Ind final. I think India will win too for some reason, while I do think England is the stronger team in the world overall in T20s, this world cup they've looked a bit off and India's batters look like they are hitting form.
 
India putting up a total of 170. Indian bowlers on conditions where there is no swing against guys like Phil Salt and most toothless spinners against the guys like Moeen Ali. We will have no answer. England has incredible batting depth.

India chasing a total of 175. On a pitch like Adelaide oval where batting will get harder and harder as the innings goes you need about 60 in first 6 overs. Turns out India is the worst in power play batting. By the time they settle down (without losing wickets ) for 35/0 in 6 Pitch will be humongously difficult to bat on against change up bowlers liek Curran with asking rate of 10. Kohli did struggle against Zimbabwe.

India's best case scenario is getting assistance with ball inside power play. I doubt you will get any at the Adelaide oval. This could be a massacre for all we know. India's only chance is England choking somehow. With such depth you don't expect all 11 players to choke.

Wouldn't you have told pretty much the same thing before ENG vs IRE match? But ENG lost on D/L to them. ENG have not been in red hot form struggling to chse 113 against AFG. If pitch is difficult while batting second for India it will be difficult for ENG too right. Moreover its a used pitch. I remember earlier this year when India toured ENG we scored 180 odd in 1st 2 t20s and successfully defended them on dead english pitches.

I wouldn't write either team off. It will all depend on how we field. ENg too haven't been lighting up during PP surprisingly.
 
Wouldn't you have told pretty much the same thing before ENG vs IRE match? But ENG lost on D/L to them. ENG have not been in red hot form struggling to chse 113 against AFG. If pitch is difficult while batting second for India it will be difficult for ENG too right. Moreover its a used pitch. I remember earlier this year when India toured ENG we scored 180 odd in 1st 2 t20s and successfully defended them on dead english pitches.

I wouldn't write either team off. It will all depend on how we field. ENg too haven't been lighting up during PP surprisingly.

England is under less pressure because their batting is distributed across. India is under pressure as their batting literally stops at 4. India's only hope is top 4 batting till 18th over. That is a hard ask given that not everyone is in top form. SKY is due for a failure.
 
Need England to win this. I would much rather lose to England in the final than to India.
 
Adelaide Oval: Ind vs Eng SF

- Used Pitch & The forecast is fine, albeit with a morning shower predicted.
- Fielding sides have shorter square boundaries to protect.
- Teams batting first have a 4-2 win-loss record in Adelaide in Super 12.
- Average 1st innings total of 157 in Super 12.
 
Everything favors India tomorrow. Literally everything.

If they lose, it exposes them as a spineless team and the IPL as nothing more than a get-rich scheme for cricketers.
 
Wood not expected to play is a massive plus for India. Jordan or Willey are not of the same calibre.

With the used wicket and short boundaries, don't think it will be a bat v ball game tomorrow, it'll definitely be bat v bat. Whichever team bats better will win.

Hales and Salt for me could be game changers, they'll play without pressure. Buttler, Stokes could wilt.
 
Wood not expected to play is a massive plus for India. Jordan or Willey are not of the same calibre.

With the used wicket and short boundaries, don't think it will be a bat v ball game tomorrow, it'll definitely be bat v bat. Whichever team bats better will win.

Hales and Salt for me could be game changers, they'll play without pressure. Buttler, Stokes could wilt.

Why Wood not playing is plus. He was always found wanting against us
 
Everything favors India tomorrow. Literally everything.

If they lose, it exposes them as a spineless team and the IPL as nothing more than a get-rich scheme for cricketers.

All T20 leagues are just business. Nothing to do with quality of cricket. Barely 55 mtr boundaries lol.
 
Everything favors India tomorrow. Literally everything.

If they lose, it exposes them as a spineless team and the IPL as nothing more than a get-rich scheme for cricketers.

Indians play just IPL. Lot of other players from England play IPL and lot of other leagues. Wouldn't you say it is an advantage playing in different conditions? IPL is business. Having said that India unearthed some fine test players from IPL. Bumrah, Ashwin, Sundar, Thakur.
 
Indians play just IPL. Lot of other players from England play IPL and lot of other leagues. Wouldn't you say it is an advantage playing in different conditions? IPL is business. Having said that India unearthed some fine test players from IPL. Bumrah, Ashwin, Sundar, Thakur.

I agree and I have to apologize. Most of this is just banter so please don't get offended, lol.

Spoiler: I don't think Kohli is a choker.
 
I agree and I have to apologize. Most of this is just banter so please don't get offended, lol.

Spoiler: I don't think Kohli is a choker.

Fair enough !! I just hope the match doesn't get deterred by rain or anything.
 
Both are top class teams. It's not UAE where toss plays a huge factor in day/night games.

I'd say the best of England would be a little better than the best of India (current lineups) but it's all about what they do on the particular day.

Buttler's captaincy will be thoroughly tested.

India will be turbo charged to go into the finals.

In 2007 wt20, it was Yuvraj's blinder than put their total out of Australia's reach. 70 off 30. SKY, Rohit and Pant have the potential to play that sort of inning but let's see.
 
Both are top class teams. It's not UAE where toss plays a huge factor in day/night games.

I'd say the best of England would be a little better than the best of India (current lineups) but it's all about what they do on the particular day.

Buttler's captaincy will be thoroughly tested.

India will be turbo charged to go into the finals.

In 2007 wt20, it was Yuvraj's blinder than put their total out of Australia's reach. 70 off 30. SKY, Rohit and Pant have the potential to play that sort of inning but let's see.

If INdia had Kuldeep, Bishnoi i would have hade more confidence than now. India's spin attack is the worst. Only side that has not used a wrist or mystery spinner until now.
 
It will be a big game, potentially right down the wire . This will be big stage for SRK , can he perform when it matters.
 
When was the last time India met England in World Cup Semi Final ( t20/ or odi)

It was Wankhede 1987 world cup Bombay


Graham Gooch Swept India.


Buttler to do the same tomorrow.

Historically English captains come very hard on Indians, Buttler alone might steal the show tomorrow.


Allan Lamb
Phillip defreteas
Gatting
Goochy

Eddie Hemmings

The heroes of wankhede 1987
 
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It will be a big game, potentially right down the wire . This will be big stage for SRK , can he perform when it matters.

well he has performed in the past for filmfare, iifa etc and this would be a big stage for him to perform but i doubt if ICC has hired him.
 
When was the last time India met England in World Cup Semi Final ( t20/ or odi)

It was Wankhede 1987 world cup Bombay


Graham Gooch Swept India.


Buttler to do the same tomorrow.

Historically English captains come very hard on Indians, Buttler alone might steal the show tomorrow.


Allan Lamb
Phillip defreteas
Gatting
Goochy

Eddie Hemmings

The heroes of wankhede 1987

lol 2 generations in between. Format is different. We cannot use that. In world T20 India 2-1 vs England.
 
Looking at the make up of the sides India is a serious underdog. Missing so many T20 elements

1) No wristies that can be accommodated
2) Batting practically stops at 4
3) Lower order is worth like 10 runs
4) 2 aging and nervous openers
5) Bowlers mainly rely on swing rather than pace
6) Worst fielding side
7) Lack of wicket takers (bar Arshdeep)

In terms of composition

1) Pakistan
2) England
3) India

in that order.
 
IND v ENG T20I head-head

M - 22
IND - 12
ENG - 10

last 2 years IND - 5, ENG - 3

T20 WCs IND - 2, ENG - 1

Both never played each other in AUS in T20s.
 
A lot has changed in the seven years since England last played a World Cup match in Adelaide.

Back in 2015, they were largely useless at white-ball cricket, emphasised by a group-stage exit at the 50-over World Cup being confirmed with a 15-run defeat by Bangladesh in South Australia.

But England head to the aesthetic Adelaide Oval for Thursday's T20 World Cup semi-final against India - build-up from 7am on Sky Sports Cricket ahead of an 8am start - as a side to be reckoned with, perhaps one even to be feared. Since that meek surrender against Bangladesh, there has been a white-ball revolution.

The final of the 2016 T20 World Cup. The semi-finals of the 2017 Champions Trophy. Winners of the 2019 50-over World Cup. Semi-finalists in last year's T20 World Cup. The timidity of 2015 has since been replaced by a 'go harder' approach and yielded results.

"We've actually just been talking about that (Bangladesh game) in the dressing room," said captain Jos Buttler, whose 65 from 52 deliveries against the Tigers seven years ago came in vain as England were dismissed for 260 in a chase of 276.

"Anytime you go back to certain grounds, there's some memories and not always good ones, unfortunately. It was a real line-in-the-sand moment in English white-ball cricket and to be now in a semi-final and going to tournaments with a level of expectation that we should perform well is a great place to be.

"It's been clear to see the change in mindset of English cricket towards the white-ball game and especially the way we've played.

"It's given us better results. That gives us a lot of trust in that process that it works. It seems an ingrained way of playing now in English cricket. It's been a fantastic journey to be involved in."

England's marked improvement in the limited-overs formats was started by former captain Eoin Morgan and has been continued in Australia over recent weeks by Buttler, who became permanent white-ball skipper in late June following Morgan's retirement.

There have been a few instances in this tournament of England reverting to the hesitant side that stuttered their way through the 2015 World Cup, just as there were in the home summer when they failed to win a white-ball series.

Buttler's side spluttered with the bat as they beat Afghanistan in their T20 World Cup opener in Perth and then barely played a shot in anger for much of the innings against Ireland as they suffered a rain-affected defeat at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

However, they were back to their aggressive and clinical best against New Zealand the next time they were able to take the field and all-rounder Ben Stokes - whose cerebral 42 from 36 balls against Sri Lanka on Saturday dragged England into the semi-finals after a middle-order batting collapse - insists his side will not be "cautious" against India in Thursday's semi-final.

Stokes said: "We're in a position now that it's do or die. What I don't think anyone will do is take a backward step.

"We talk a lot about how we want to play when it comes to pressure moments and what we'll see here is us trying to deliver on what we talk about, not taking the cautious option.

"We had a few up and down moments in the group stage but we can forget about those now. We know if we execute anywhere near where we want to be then we will be a very hard team to beat."

England may not be cautious, then, but they could be depleted.

Usual No 3 batter Dawid Malan looks unlikely to play due to a groin injury sustained while fielding against Sri Lanka on Saturday, while fast bowler Mark Wood is suffering from general body stiffness which has hampered his ability to train over the last two days.

Wood's absence would be a huge blow for England and a big boost for India, who are aiming to reach a World Cup final for the first time in eight years.

Phil Salt is Malan's likely replacement and is set to slot in at first drop despite Stokes playing his key innings from that spot against Sri Lanka, while Chris Jordan would probably come in for Wood.

Jordan might even come in anyway if England want an extra bowler. If they do, Harry Brook would seem vulnerable having only reached double figures once in four knocks in the middle order.

As for India, the fact this game is being played on a used surface and may have a subcontinental feel could give them a lift - but so will the form of Suryakumar Yadav, a thoroughly-modern batter who scores freely, quickly and regularly all around the ground with a glittering array of strokes.

'Suryakumar doesn't carry extra baggage'

In 2022, India's No 4 has 1,026 T20 international runs at a strike-rate of 186.54. In this World Cup, he has 225 at a strike-rate of 193.96. He's probably eyeing up those short, square Adelaide Oval boundaries as you read this.

India skipper Rohit Sharma said of Suryakumar: "He's the sort of guy who just doesn't carry any baggage. He's got lots of suitcases - honestly, he loves his shopping - but when it comes to carrying extra pressure, extra baggage, I don't think he has that in him."

India as a team might, though. It has been 11 years since they delivered their cricket-mad fans a World Cup - the 50-over version on home soil in 2011 - with knockout-stage defeats coming in the 2014 and 2016 T20 World Cups and the 2015 and 2019 50-over World Cups.

India are favourites and victory would set up a mouth-watering meeting with Pakistan at the MCG on Sunday, three weeks after Rohit's men beat Babar Azam's in a last-ball thriller at the ground.

But England have a chance to fully right the wrongs of the last World Cup in Australia by winning this one. It's Adelaide on Thursday and, they will hope, Melbourne on Sunday.

SKY
 
If INdia had Kuldeep, Bishnoi i would have hade more confidence than now. India's spin attack is the worst. Only side that has not used a wrist or mystery spinner until now.

I would agree. Chahal is good, but quite expansive for a spinner. Ashwin is neither too economical nor a wicket taker anymore. Axar is a good economical spinner but hasn't been trusted enough by Rohit or maybe isn't in good enough form.
 
I´ve a feeling that, if it´s a high-scoring match, England will simply run away with it. India will stand much better chances if it turns out to be a low-scoring one.
 
If there is some help for bowlers early on, India has a chance to restrict England. Otherwise, it will be a long day for Indian pacers.

Overall, India has little chance of beating England.
 
Looking at the make up of the sides India is a serious underdog. Missing so many T20 elements

1) No wristies that can be accommodated
2) Batting practically stops at 4
3) Lower order is worth like 10 runs
4) 2 aging and nervous openers
5) Bowlers mainly rely on swing rather than pace
6) Worst fielding side
7) Lack of wicket takers (bar Arshdeep)

In terms of composition

1) Pakistan
2) England
3) India

in that order.

Very negative post. If India was worst Team , it would not be in the semi final.
 
India know if Butler stays 8 - 10 overs , he can win the game. India need to keep taking wickets at regular intervals.

This is not Rajasthan royals a team that depended mainly on him. So he had to go slow in the final before providing some momentum. Here they have a lot of hitters coming after him. He can play with freedom.
 
If there is some help for bowlers early on, India has a chance to restrict England. Otherwise, it will be a long day for Indian pacers.

Overall, India has little chance of beating England.

England batting has more depth , but if India bowl right areas , and grab the chances , they can make a match out of it. You never know. One week back who could have thought Netherlands would beat SA and Pakistan would be in the finals.
 
Very negative post. If India was worst Team , it would not be in the semi final.

Because 2 persons covered in the batting 2 persons covered in the bowling. INdia dropped several catches, missed stumpings. several missed run outs. In T20 you can win matches with just 2 or 3 guys clicking. That is what happened with India. You don't need all the XI need to be clicking. If you look at the most runs list SKY and Kohli at the top. Look at the third. Same way in the bowling check Asrhdeep, bhuvi. after them it is poor.
 
This is not Rajasthan royals a team that depended mainly on him. So he had to go slow in the final before providing some momentum. Here they have a lot of hitters coming after him. He can play with freedom.

Look , if you are looking to win a tornament , you will not get easy games. You have to deal with this.

You have to lift your game.
 
Because 2 persons covered in the batting 2 persons covered in the bowling. INdia dropped several catches, missed stumpings. several missed run outs. In T20 you can win matches with just 2 or 3 guys clicking. That is what happened with India. You don't need all the XI need to be clicking. If you look at the most runs list SKY and Kohli at the top. Look at the third. Same way in the bowling check Asrhdeep, bhuvi. after them it is poor.

Every team , it happens same , not every batsman or bowler performs.
 
England batting has more depth , but if India bowl right areas , and grab the chances , they can make a match out of it. You never know. One week back who could have thought Netherlands would beat SA and Pakistan would be in the finals.

If India plays to its potential they can challenge anyone. No question about that. Top 4 guys are long innings players. Two way you can bat in T20. Just series of cameos like Srilanka did in the Asia cup. or 2 or 3 inning buildes who can be increasingly aggressive.With the given side India will have to do the later.
 
Looking at the make up of the sides India is a serious underdog. Missing so many T20 elements

1) No wristies that can be accommodated
2) Batting practically stops at 4
3) Lower order is worth like 10 runs
4) 2 aging and nervous openers
5) Bowlers mainly rely on swing rather than pace
6) Worst fielding side
7) Lack of wicket takers (bar Arshdeep)

In terms of composition

1) Pakistan
2) England
3) India

in that order.

I agree India has issues but its not so bad as you make it out. My counters to your points are as follows:

1) No wristies that can be accommodated
- Wristies would be a good addition but they are not deciding factors. If that was the case Australia and Sl had the best leggies. In fact AUS ticks many boxes that you have mentioned yet crashed out in group stage. When India won in 2007 it had only Harbhajan as a spinner to give an historical context.

2) Batting practically stops at 4 - Its a t20 not a 50 over match or test. All we need is 1 among the top 4 to play long like Kohli played against Pak. 6 batsmen plus decent strikers like Axar and Ashwin should be fine.

3) Lower order is worth like 10 runs - NZ just lost 4 wickets today but how much did they score. Their lower order wasn't even utilized. How many times have Chris woakes, Adil rashid and Sam Curran batted in this tournament? Its the job of the batsmen to score while players like Ashwin can chip-in in the odd match.

4) 2 aging and nervous openers - OK, Rohit is 35 but Kl is 30 and younger than both Jos and Hales. This tournament India is scoring at rate of 5.96 in PP while ENG is scoring around 6.79 per over. But in death IND is striking 11.90 against ENGs 8.75 making up for lost runs.

5) Bowlers mainly rely on swing rather than pace - Apart from Wood who else bowls express pace in ENG? We may not be the level of Pakistan but Eng also are not. Bowlers from both sides can go for runs.

6) Worst fielding side - NZ was the best fielding side but how many catches did they drop today? It all depends on who can handle the nerves better on the given day. Moeen Ali too dropped an absolute dolly so did Kohli.

7) Lack of wicket takers (bar Arshdeep) - ENG have picked 34 wickets in 4 matches while IND has picked 38 in 5 matches. But note that ENG vs AUS was rained off. Its not a huge difference. If you remove SA match wickets its 33 and if you remove Pakistan match wickets its 30. Today Pak was able to just take 4 wickets mind you. I am not saying wicket taking is not important but just emphasizing that Indian bowling has been not bad.

I am as nervous as any Indian fan for tomorrow although we have won the past 4 t20 series against ENG 2 at hoem and 2 away each by a margin of 1 match. Yet this is a knockout so anything can happen. You are sounding as if IND is some minnow as batting, bowling and fielding has been written off.

Lets be positive and hope for the best. The brighter points for me are India already has played in this ground against BD and have a slight advantage. Also the pitch isn't bouncy like Perth or Melboune and would suit our batsmen. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.
 
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No idea what is going to happen here. Two quality sides. Looking forward to it though! :)
 
For heavens sake hope KL doesn't play a a maiden over again. Atleast take singles and rotate the strike. He is putting pressure on Rohit to up the ante and Rohit is ending up throwing his wicket.
 
Hope they don't offer that garbage Adelaide oval pitch that SA played on.

It's not. It will be the pitch that was used for Aus vs Afg game. Chasing might actually help with ball coming nicely onto the bat. Chasing in pressure games though is always a drama. It also appears that Dravid is going to pick DK over Pant. Not sure who the pretender among those two is. One pretends to be a finisher and the other pretends to be an X factor.
 
I agree India has issues but its not so bad as you make it out. My counters to your points are as follows:

1) No wristies that can be accommodated
- Wristies would be a good addition but they are not deciding factors. If that was the case Australia and Sl had the best leggies. In fact AUS ticks many boxes that you have mentioned yet crashed out in group stage. When India won in 2007 it had only Harbhajan as a spinner to give an historical context.

2) Batting practically stops at 4 - Its a t20 not a 50 over match or test. All we need is 1 among the top 4 to play long like Kohli played against Pak. 6 batsmen plus decent strikers like Axar and Ashwin should be fine.

3) Lower order is worth like 10 runs - NZ just lost 4 wickets today but how much did they score. Their lower order wasn't even utilized. How many times have Chris woakes, Adil rashid and Sam Curran batted in this tournament? Its the job of the batsmen to score while players like Ashwin can chip-in in the odd match.

4) 2 aging and nervous openers - OK, Rohit is 35 but Kl is 30 and younger than both Jos and Hales. This tournament India is scoring at rate of 5.96 in PP while ENG is scoring around 6.79 per over. But in death IND is striking 11.90 against ENGs 8.75 making up for lost runs.

5) Bowlers mainly rely on swing rather than pace - Apart from Wood who else bowls express pace in ENG? We may not be the level of Pakistan but Eng also are not. Bowlers from both sides can go for runs.

6) Worst fielding side - NZ was the best fielding side but how many catches did they drop today? It all depends on who can handle the nerves better on the given day. Moeen Ali too dropped an absolute dolly so did Kohli.

7) Lack of wicket takers (bar Arshdeep) - ENG have picked 34 wickets in 4 matches while IND has picked 38 in 5 matches. But note that ENG vs AUS was rained off. Its not a huge difference. If you remove SA match wickets its 33 and if you remove Pakistan match wickets its 30. Today Pak was able to just take 4 wickets mind you. I am not saying wicket taking is not important but just emphasizing that Indian bowling has been not bad.

I am as nervous as any Indian fan for tomorrow although we have won the past 4 t20 series against ENG 2 at hoem and 2 away each by a margin of 1 match. Yet this is a knockout so anything can happen. You are sounding as if IND is some minnow as batting, bowling and fielding has been written off.

Lets be positive and hope for the best. The brighter points for me are India already has played in this ground against BD and have a slight advantage. Also the pitch isn't bouncy like Perth or Melboune and would suit our batsmen. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

All good points. My main concern is Axar. His bowling is absolutely rubbish and these short boundaries will change the game in one over. India should go with 4 pacers instead.
 
Axar and Ashwin shouldn't play. 180 is par at Adelaide.

It's 50/50 England maybe have an edge with the better batting. But no Wood is a killer for them. Golden opportunity for India.
 
Axar and Ashwin shouldn't play. 180 is par at Adelaide.

It's 50/50 England maybe have an edge with the better batting. But no Wood is a killer for them. Golden opportunity for India.

Kohli vs Mark wood 19 balls 46 runs 3 sixes 4 fours 0 wickets
 
I am reasonably confident India will win handsomely against Pak if we reach the final, however, it is a big IF - don’t see us going past England tomorrow.
 
All good points. My main concern is Axar. His bowling is absolutely rubbish and these short boundaries will change the game in one over. India should go with 4 pacers instead.

Even I dont mind Harshal instead of Axar as he is hardly bowling.
 
With Malan and Wood not playing the SF due to injuries that might possibly weaken or change roles of some batsmen and bowlers in that SF England playing eleven

Malan plays an anchor role so probably Stokes would play that role in his absence

Wood is a out and out wicket taking option for England so not sure Chris Jorden can fill up that role or any other bowler can play that role in the current England eleven,

Wood not playing definitely weaken England bowling especially in those middle overs as Butler usually brings in Wood to get those attacking in form batmen of the opposition team.

This is a Big advantage to Indian batters
 
India has only two batsmen in the name of Kohli and Sky, and one bowler Arshadeep. The rest of the players are in a supporting role. It won’t be surprising if India finds itself 20-3 in the pp.
 
I would prefer England to go to the final. If India comes, they will drown out the crowd support for Pakistan. Crowd support matters a lot.
 
With Malan and Wood not playing the SF due to injuries that might possibly weaken or change roles of some batsmen and bowlers in that SF England playing eleven

Malan plays an anchor role so probably Stokes would play that role in his absence

Wood is a out and out wicket taking option for England so not sure Chris Jorden can fill up that role or any other bowler can play that role in the current England eleven,

Wood not playing definitely weaken England bowling especially in those middle overs as Butler usually brings in Wood to get those attacking in form batmen of the opposition team.

This is a Big advantage to Indian batters

Wood was smashed around for 50 runs when he played India last time. Pace matters in Perth. Elsewhere, it's the means of transporting the ball faster to the boundary. Malan is another slow cookie that could have helped India with his strike rate. Instead he's conveniently out for the game. This will go down to the last over and I think India's nemesis Moeen or Kohli's
Cryotonite Rasheed will have a big say especially if the pitch is on the slower side. BK should control Butler hopefully.
 
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