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After 2 final-ball defeats in their first 2 games, how can Pakistan pick themselves up for the rest of the tournament, starting with this one?

Would you make any changes? Predictions for XI or the result?
 
I know this wont happen, but my 11 would be

1. Fahkar
2. Babar
3. Haider
4. Rizwan ( floater, only bats if we loose early wickets)
5. Iftikhar
6. Nawaz
7.Shadab
8. Wasim
9. Shaheen
10. Naseem
11. Haris


Sadly we are stuck with Shan, who is to t20s what Asad was to tests (ultimately never delivers, only makes defeats more closer)

I also think the managment would rather we loose every game then break up the RizBabar disaster which anyone with half a brain would know was coming
 
Fifties at run a ball incoming for RizBab. Greatest opening pair of t20s. Proof is in the stats and rankings. What a treat for RizBab lovers!
 
Suleiman said:
Fifties at run a ball incoming for RizBab. Greatest opening pair of t20s. Proof is in the stats and rankings. What a treat for RizBab lovers!
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It reminds of India in the late 90s where Tendulkars average and 100s were the most important thing.

We are so backwards
 
With duds like Khushdil and Asif in the squad we are left with 13 players and add to it the one trick ponies literally we are hoping against hope, with 2 defeats in a row maybe its the turn of nature and we may win it
 
lol.... game at WACA again.

I truly hope Netherland pacers keep the short ball ploy coming, and make these pathetic batsmen get their pants wet.

I am supporting Netherlands in this game.
 
I'm confident Pakistan will turn their tournament around and will win this game comfortably!

Just hope for their sake, it's already not too late.
 
Open with Shan and Fakhar
Babar
Shadab
Iftikhar
Nawaz
Wasim
Rizwan
Shaheen / Hasnain (give Shaheen break)
Haris
Nasim
 
Since our batting is beyond pathetic and there is no short term fix, if Saqlain & Moyo has an iota of brain they should just stick with 2 basic cricket phenomenon learned at street level in adolescent age.

Get a right left combo in pair all the time,r

Fakhar
Rizwan
Shan
Babar
Nawaz
Iftikhar
Shadab
Asif
WasimJr.
Rauf
Naseem
Shaheen
 
Realistically speaking, Zimbabwe have more chances of qualifying than Pakistan.

Pakistan have to bat first at Perth. Chasing against Meekeren, Beek and Pringle won't be easy.
 
This should be a cakewalk. Ned batting is so uninspiring that their No 11 is the only guy batting in a way which suits T20I.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
lol.... game at WACA again.

I truly hope Netherland pacers keep the short ball ploy coming, and make these pathetic batsmen get their pants wet.

I am supporting Netherlands in this game.
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One of their bowler can touch 145 kph. Today they tried several head height short ball. Rohit put all of them for sixes.
 
This will be another difficult game for pakistan
Our superstars don't know how to make use of this ground we again will struggle with bounce and shortball. We also don't know how to bowl short. It's all down to Rauf and shan but that's not enough.
 
Genuinely worried we will lose to Netherlands also. Maybe not because of the opposition but the conditions.
 
Knowing that it's in Perth and we will be playing under a lot of preasure, will reserve the favorite tag. Pakistan better shuffle batting and comeup with a game plan. Send Mhd Wasim 11...Naseem is a much better batsman than this so called allrounder
 
You know you're terrible when Netherlands look forward to playing you.

Shameful team this for Pakistan.
 
I'm sorry guys, I didn't know which thread to post this in...
Can someone please explain to me the reference to 'the real Mr Bean'. I've read that a lot in some threads but I am out of the loop. Thanks in advance.
 
If we lose to Netherlands we can forfeit our remaining 2 games citing player safety concerns back home.
 
Asif321 said:
Imagine Pakistan losing this
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If Pak lose this then every Pakistani fan should boycott Pak cricket until and unless whole 11 is changed (every single player) along with team management, staff and coaches.

We don't deserve to play cricket, if we can't beat minnows like Ban, Zimbabwe and Netherlands.
 
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Asif321 said:
Imagine Pakistan losing this
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If Pak lose this then every Pakistani fan should boycott Pak cricket until and unless whole 11 is changed (every single player) along with team management, staff and coaches.

We don't deserve to play cricket, if we can't beat minnows like Ban, Zimbabwe and Netherlands.
 
After seeing Pak play against Zim, I am not sure we gona win easily from Netherland if we played the same way.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I know this wont happen, but my 11 would be

1. Fahkar
2. Babar
3. Haider
4. Rizwan ( floater, only bats if we loose early wickets)
5. Iftikhar
6. Nawaz
7.Shadab
8. Wasim
9. Shaheen
10. Naseem
11. Haris


Sadly we are stuck with Shan, who is to t20s what Asad was to tests (ultimately never delivers, only makes defeats more closer)

I also think the managment would rather we loose every game then break up the RizBabar disaster which anyone with half a brain would know was coming
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Lol you bash Shan but want Haider in your team.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Lol you bash Shan but want Haider in your team.
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Yep any day of the week.

Babar, Rizwan and Ifthikar are more than enough when it comes to “steady” players. Out of Haider, Asif and Khusdil, if im forced to choose if go with Haider


I hope he proves me wrong, but i have seen the same movie for decades now. Shan is another weak, limited player who will always dissapear when he is needed. He isnt some kid he has been around for ages, he is very much another Shafiq. If he wasnt a nice guy, people would be calling Shan for what he is, the Imran Farhat of his generation
 
MSaad1237 said:
If Pak lose this then every Pakistani fan should boycott Pak cricket until and unless whole 11 is changed (every single player) along with team management, staff and coaches.

We don't deserve to play cricket, if we can't beat minnows like Ban, Zimbabwe and Netherlands.
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Every Pak fan who acts like a whining auntie on losses should certainly boycott and stop following Pakistan cricket all together. Why even wait for a complete team, staff, management change? What if they lose.will they boycott again lol?

Honestly it's not a surprise and quite hilarious seeing some of Pak fans reactions. Typical khookla fans of South Asia. South Asia only plays one sport and are terrible at everything else (other sports) so don't let emotions run all over your senses.
 
Just checked weather forecast for Sunday in Perth, it will be cold and overcast. Pak has to slightly cautious and not over attack, NED bowling is decent. If you win the toss, bat first and target 160, that should seal the game.


Rizwan
Fakhar
Babar
Shan
Shadab
Chacha
Nawaz
Wasim
Naseem/ Hasnain
Rauf
Dahani/ Shaheen
 
If they lose this match, they may have to stay in Australia and seek asylum there.
 
Gonna be a tricky game no matter the opposition this team is scared after losing the Asia Cup final DafaNews Final, Game vs India and FakeMr.Bean Trophy
Pakistan will be underdogs
 
Although we are yet to win a game - need to start thinking about NRR just in case the other results don’t go our way..

Send NED to bat first and chase 100-130 in 10-14 overs..
 
These guys made Dutch bowlers like Vivian Kingma look like Glenn McGrath in the recent ODI series.

Not expecting any major improvements from this batting lineup, nor management having guts to break up the two scammers at the top of the order.
 
Markhor said:
These guys made Dutch bowlers like Vivian Kingma look like Glenn McGrath in the recent ODI series.

Not expecting any major improvements from this batting lineup, nor management having guts to break up the two scammers at the top of the order.
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kingma is actually good bowler, dont know why he not here.
 
Not surprised by the so called Pakistani fans. Same fans jump up and down when discussing 1992 world cup which was won in similar fashion.

If you cant support this team when down, than dont support it when its doing well. Just pathetic, it only shows many of you are just there to enjoy the glory and thats it. Than the same lot will write long essays that this is what Pak team should do etc. If you cant support them than plz dont write long essays, we locals dont want input from others, thank you.

Till the time this World Cup is going on, I will back these boys. Yes I might not support the captain, but its a world cup going on and I will back him and hope he makes it to the semi finals.

We still have a chance, dont care how we make it in, jsut make it in.

At the end of the day, what matters is the trophy, not who you won and lost to.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
One of their bowler can touch 145 kph. Today they tried several head height short ball. Rohit put all of them for sixes.
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I hope Netherlands bowls first to take the living hell out of Pak batsmen, and this 145 kph bowler takes 5 or six wickets to restrict Pakistan around 70 runs total. And then Netherland continues to fight and reach the total by depositing another historic win in this very exciting WC, that has truly exposed Pathetic Pakistani batting quality, our ultra pathetic cricket culture, and our ultra, ultra pathetic training/coaching for power hitting.

Justice seems to have been been served in this WC!
 
Major said:
Not surprised by the so called Pakistani fans. Same fans jump up and down when discussing 1992 world cup which was won in similar fashion.

If you cant support this team when down, than dont support it when its doing well. Just pathetic, it only shows many of you are just there to enjoy the glory and thats it. Than the same lot will write long essays that this is what Pak team should do etc. If you cant support them than plz dont write long essays, we locals dont want input from others, thank you.

Till the time this World Cup is going on, I will back these boys. Yes I might not support the captain, but its a world cup going on and I will back him and hope he makes it to the semi finals.

We still have a chance, dont care how we make it in, jsut make it in.

At the end of the day, what matters is the trophy, not who you won and lost to.
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Everyone has a choice to support or not support whomever they want and however they want it.

We need drastic change of mindset and approach towards our cricket - and this needs to be highlighted to bring the awareness.

I am all for support if the team is selected based on intelligence, fairness and merit.

But when you have duffers and hopeless philosophers running the show in the name of chief selector, chairman, captain, Think Tank, Coaches, and the team selection has hints of selection based on friendships lead by a dumb captain, then supporting such a team, will simply mean,

"We do NOT need any change. Everything is good and cool. Lets support our guys."

You want to give that notion - plz do so. But don't jump on others who have the right to be critical an in effort to expose the holes - that need to plugged in.

And yeah, what support are you giving to this team, and what exactly are you going to achieve by this support when the team is already out of the tournament?
 
So next three games, Ban beat Zim, India beat SF, Pak beat Ned so that we are still in hunt. How about Ned beat Pak and we are out of our misery, this will give us a chance to overhaul captaincy and address batting woes.
 
Major said:
Not surprised by the so called Pakistani fans. Same fans jump up and down when discussing 1992 world cup which was won in similar fashion.

If you cant support this team when down, than dont support it when its doing well. Just pathetic, it only shows many of you are just there to enjoy the glory and thats it. Than the same lot will write long essays that this is what Pak team should do etc. If you cant support them than plz dont write long essays, we locals dont want input from others, thank you.

Till the time this World Cup is going on, I will back these boys. Yes I might not support the captain, but its a world cup going on and I will back him and hope he makes it to the semi finals.

We still have a chance, dont care how we make it in, jsut make it in.

At the end of the day, what matters is the trophy, not who you won and lost to.
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I will support them if they play like cornered tigers, they are playing like pigeons who close their eyes when they see a cat.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Everyone has a choice to support or not support whomever they want and however they want it.

We need drastic change of mindset and approach towards our cricket - and this needs to be highlighted to bring the awareness.

I am all for support if the team is selected based on intelligence, fairness and merit.

But when you have duffers and hopeless philosophers running the show in the name of chief selector, chairman, captain, Think Tank, Coaches, and the team selection has hints of selection based on friendships lead by a dumb captain, then supporting such a team, will simply mean,

"We do NOT need any change. Everything is good and cool. Lets support our guys."

You want to give that notion - plz do so. But don't jump on others who have the right to be critical an in effort to expose the holes - that need to plugged in.

And yeah, what support are you giving to this team, and what exactly are you going to achieve by this support when the team is already out of the tournament?
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Point is, every thing is ok when glory is coming home, when we start losing than its ok to jump ship
 
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News channels saying players are praying in hotel rooms not coming out.. Ind defeat has damaged them going to be a blood bath in the next few games put ‘em out of there misery bring them home !!
 
Markhor said:
These guys made Dutch bowlers like Vivian Kingma look like Glenn McGrath in the recent ODI series.

Not expecting any major improvements from this batting lineup, nor management having guts to break up the two scammers at the top of the order.
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A Pakistani batsman’s nightmare is batting on any pitch in Australia with the ball in the hand of any man, woman or child above the height of 6’1”

Even a hint of bounce, and they will soil their pants almost instantly.
 
Where is Mohammed Wasim Chief Selector Now…Lets ask him, its the best talent we have in Pakistan. Man I bet you Imam ul haq and Abdullah Shafiq would have been a better choice than Haider Ali and Asif Ali.
 
Markhor said:
These guys made Dutch bowlers like Vivian Kingma look like Glenn McGrath in the recent ODI series.

Not expecting any major improvements from this batting lineup, nor management having guts to break up the two scammers at the top of the order.
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Just saw the score. They have played each other 2 months back? Looks like they have done okay.
 
I hope we don't qualify for semi's by fluke & luck this team from start to bottom is so pathetic. If we don't bow out from the WC nothing substantial will happen. Ramiz needs to man up & boot this clown from the T20 team & ODI's captaincy. Babar should not be allowed to play T20I's unless he improves his power game. For ODI's he's a decent enough player to play for Pakistan but his long term place in ODI's should also be dependent on his performances in the 23 WC if he doesn't perform in India I don't care even if he averages in 70 we need to dump him for good. Such a weak & pathetic player. True meaning of a mental midget
 
Pictures/Videos (courtesy of the PCB) of Pakistan squad's practice ahead of the must-win game against the Netherlands tomorrow

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Dutch can't bat, followed few of their games this time. Tough to see them scoring even 80 against this Pak bowling lineup.

No matter how bad Pak play, I think they will win this one.
 
Major said:
Point is, every thing is ok when glory is coming home, when we start losing than its ok to jump ship
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These so called fans are so fickle and such drama queens. Lose some and they start crying like there's no tomorrow. Honestly this matam in past few days of some Pak fans has been more embarrassing than the loss against Zimbabwe. Disgrace on Pakistani team. Our team is forever to remain inconsistent and that's where at times beauty lies. Don't like it then get off the fan boat and stop following cricket all together.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
lol ... as if Pak can?
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You are being unnecessarily harsh on Pakistan. There are weaknesses I agree, but at least Pakistan can make middling totals on these pitches. When you look at Dutch batting you wonder how they made it this far. They scored 120 against India and I am mad at our trundlers for gifting so many runs.
 
Kriketer said:
These so called fans are so fickle and such drama queens. Lose some and they start crying like there's no tomorrow. Honestly this matam in past few days of some Pak fans has been more embarrassing than the loss against Zimbabwe. Disgrace on Pakistani team. Our team is forever to remain inconsistent and that's where at times beauty lies. Don't like it then get off the fan boat and stop following cricket all together.
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the same lot have issue with mamoon being pessimistic, and often they will argue with him and keep mentioning him when they win. But when we lose, same fans that act no different, but they dont wanna be called out

They are hypocrites. Dont call out mamoon than atleast, the guy is consisstent with his view
 
Major said:
the same lot have issue with mamoon being pessimistic, and often they will argue with him and keep mentioning him when they win. But when we lose, same fans that act no different, but they dont wanna be called out

They are hypocrites. Dont call out mamoon than atleast, the guy is consisstent with his view
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Yeh he is consistent

Unlike you who disowned RizBar straight after the defeat against Zimbabwe :))
 
Another match at Perth ,can pakistan cope with the bounce?

In the last match we saw pakistani batsmen tryong to make room and getting beaten time and again by the bounce. All opposition needs to is keep bowling the right length and let the pitch do the job , the only batsmen equipped a little bit against bounce are babar and shan.

Can pakistan beat nederlands?
 
Haris Rauf speaking to the media

“In international cricket, you cannot term any team as weaker side, you’ve to be respectful to all the sides when you are playing them in an international event. They all are here to win the tournament and you’ve to give your 100 per cent against all the teams you play"

“Zimbabwe played well the other day and won against us"

“We lost both the matches after coming so close, on last balls, we made our all efforts in both games"

“We are as hurt as any cricket fan would be. The tournament is not finished for us and we can still make a comeback, we have three games left and we are confident of doing well in those matches,” the fast bowler added.

“We couldn’t finish those two games properly, we have analysed our mistakes and will do better"

“We are focused on our cricket and not listening too much to what is being said outside"
 
Rana said:
Yeh he is consistent

Unlike you who disowned RizBar straight after the defeat against Zimbabwe :))
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i never disowned, just for australia i would want babr to move down. In other parts of the world, the pair needs to stay at 1 and 2
 
The Dutch team is so poor that Pakistan cant even lose against them even if they tried.

This is the time Rizbar show will work.

And the forum will be inundated with fans reminding everyone how these 2 are best in the world because they scored 50s againat Netherlands.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The Dutch team is so poor that Pakistan cant even lose against them even if they tried.

This is the time Rizbar show will work.

And the forum will be inundated with fans reminding everyone how these 2 are best in the world because they scored 50s againat Netherlands.
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Forum will be happy because Pakistan win. Others with ulterior motives etc won't be. To each their own
 
Rauf said despite the defeats, morale was high in the Pakistani camp. | Photo Credit: Getty Images

Pakistani fast bowler Haris Rauf on Saturday said the team was trying to shut out the noise and focus after a torrent of criticism over their shock loss to Zimbabwe at the Twenty20 World Cup.

Pakistan will take on the Netherlands in Perth on Sunday to try and stay alive in the tournament after nail-biting one-run defeats to Zimbabwe and arch-rivals India.

Former Pakistani stars including Shoaib Akhtar and Javed Miandad slammed the team for their poor start to the World Cup, describing their batting as “shameful” during the loss to Zimbabwe.

“It is people’s job to talk, so they will talk. You face criticism in any sport you play,” Rauf told reporters.

“We have come here to play a tournament and our focus is on that. So we try not to listen to them (ex-players and pundits) much and play our game. Even some positive talk can hurt you and negative talk can also hurt you.”

Pakistan witnessed a special performance in its first match of the tournament from superstar batsman Virat Kohli as India chased down 160 on the final ball at a packed Melbourne Cricket Ground.

But it was the second loss against the 11th-ranked Zimbabwe that stung its supporters more as the Pakistani batting lineup choked while chasing a modest 130.

It ended a run short of Zimbabwe’s total, with two run-outs on the last two balls of the innings.

‘We have belief’

Rauf said despite the defeats, morale was high in the Pakistani camp.

“We haven’t had the kind of start that we wanted. But the team morale is good,” the paceman said, adding that the games against Zimbabwe and India were close.

“There is hurt but we have belief in each other’s abilities. We have bonded well, sat together and tried to address our mistakes,” he said.

And while the Netherlands have also lost both their Super 12 matches, Rauf stressed that Pakistan will not be taking the challenge lightly.

“There is no weak or strong team in a World Cup. Everyone playing an international game and has come to win the cup,” said Rauf.

Netherlands coach Ryan Cook said Saturday his team was ready for the Pakistan clash.

“We’ve obviously seen that Pakistan team is beatable, so that’s good to know,” said Cook.

“Playing them in the World Super League not so long ago in the Netherlands has given us a lot of confidence because we came quite close in those matches. Hoping to get over the line this time.”

AFP
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The Dutch team is so poor that Pakistan cant even lose against them even if they tried.

This is the time Rizbar show will work.

And the forum will be inundated with fans reminding everyone how these 2 are best in the world because they scored 50s againat Netherlands.
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This can happen,

1. Pak win toss and bowl first.

2. Dutch openers become brave, have a good game and reach 40-50 for 1 or 2 in the powerplay

3. Pakistan peg it back in the middle, Dutch are reeling at 80-5 or 6

4. Some lusty blows at the end of the innings by Dutch tailenders and they somehow get to 130-140

5. RizBab back themselves this time to get the job done (3rd time lucky), they see off the new ball but they allow the required rate to creep up to 8.

*The moment it hits 8, we are in ‘upset territory’.
 
First things first, Babar has to win the toss at least, his record at wining the toss is awful!
 
Major said:
Not surprised by the so called Pakistani fans. Same fans jump up and down when discussing 1992 world cup which was won in similar fashion.

If you cant support this team when down, than dont support it when its doing well. Just pathetic, it only shows many of you are just there to enjoy the glory and thats it. Than the same lot will write long essays that this is what Pak team should do etc. If you cant support them than plz dont write long essays, we locals dont want input from others, thank you.

Till the time this World Cup is going on, I will back these boys. Yes I might not support the captain, but its a world cup going on and I will back him and hope he makes it to the semi finals.

We still have a chance, dont care how we make it in, jsut make it in.

At the end of the day, what matters is the trophy, not who you won and lost to.
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Major it's not about losing but the manner in which you lose. If you lose at least showing the right intent then nobody will criticise.

I remember the 1st ODI vs India in 2004 series. We fell 5 runs short chasing 349 but in an incredible effort, and I was immensely proud of the boys. 340 scores were unheard of back then.

This team however plays with the handbrake on with a conservative approach that's cost us big matches from AUS SF, Asia Cup Final, ENG series decider, and the first two matches of this WC. If it wasn't for Nawaz's heroics we'd lose the NZ tri-series final too.

Despite these losses, neither has changed their approach or considered dropping down a position to shore up the middle-order. No T20 team opens with two anchors but these two think they've God-given right to open.

Babar as captain talks about learning from mistakes, we see these cringy social media stunts, but the people aren't fooled. He repeatedly selects the wrong combination for the conditions, fails to finish teams off from strong positions, and epitomises this selfish, statpadding, individualistic approach as a batsman. Fans try to support but you cannot blame them for losing patience after repeated heartbreaks and shattering defeats.
 
Pakistan practice

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Pakistan will surely win but it will be a tight contest. I'm expecting a last over win either with bat or ball.

If they do lose this game then the full squad including the captain should be sent back to primary school.
 
Paksitan will win this match fairly confortably albeit with few hiccups as usual, but they really need to stop bei g stubborn and need Babar to bat one down. Fakhar if available needs to open.
 
Opportunity for Babar and Rizwan to stat pad and re-emerge as our 'saviors' after that horror show against mighty Zimbabwe.

Haider Ali might still find a way to get out for under 10. Pathetic hack.
 
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