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ICC T20 World Cup 2022 | Pakistan v South Africa | Group 2 | SCG | 03 November | Pre-match

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The outcome of the India v South Africa game will pretty much dictate Pakistan's chances, but putting that aside, what changes do we need to win this game?

Who to drop?

Who to bring in?

Any changes to the batting order?
 
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Thankfully it's in Sydney and not Perth !

But expect plenty of chin music against Ngidi, Nortje and Rabada.
 
Pakistan need to believe and win handsomely

They will just scrape 2 points at best with the current strategy
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Probably dead rubber
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Yes, it's a dead rubber, but I hope they thrash this pathetic Pakistan batting like a piece of junk.

We need major changes, and heads need to be rolled, starting with Ramiz Raja and Muhammad Wasim - and then Baber needs to be removed from captaincy.

Otherwise, a meaningless win against SA and Bangla would simply mean, these idiots will cover up their guilt and inability to play, under the chest thumping notion of "ending the tournament on a high note".

It's a must that we lose all remaining games in this WC to increase the probability of seeing a change in our cricket setup on high level.
 
Pakistan have done well recently in ICC tourneys vs SA, however i can see that changing and SA winning this game in Aus conditions
 
This South Africa have everything that Pakistan doesn't.

Solid in all areas but captains who ends up being more of a problem than solidarity.
 
TeymurBlake said:
This South Africa have everything that Pakistan doesn't.

Solid in all areas but captains who ends up being more of a problem than solidarity.
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Bavuma is a brilliant captain

Just a poor T20 opener
 
We are done and dusted so better give fringe players a chance to play in Australian conditions Babar should also sit out and let Shadab captain the side, Hayden should also be relieved of his duties

Shan
Fakhar
Haider
Rizwan+
Khusdil
Nawaz
Shadab c
Asif
WasimJr.
Naseem
Hasnain
 
Rana said:
Pakistan need to believe and win handsomely

They will just scrape 2 points at best with the current strategy
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What believe India ain't losing to Bangladesh enough of false dawns

Pakistan should give fringe players a chance so that they can hide behind it if we lose
 
What’s their to lose?

1. Mo Nawaz
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Iftikhar
4. Haider Ali
5. Khushdil
6. Asif
7. Shadab
8. Rizwan
9. Shaheen
10. Rauf
11. Wasim Jr

Just having Babar/Rizwan/Shan in the XI is seriously holding us back!
 
Pak will win, mark this. They will play brave cricket, they don’t have anything to lose. SA will be under pressure.
 
All depends on toss if we bat first we win our pacer and spin combo will be more effective than SA plus we will play with more freedom now that we are all but certain Out of the cup
 
India made the mistake of getting him out lol Pakistan should not bowl at the stumps against him.
 
South Africa huge favourites in these conditions.

We've barely seen a Pakistani batsman find the middle of the bat throughout the whole tournament.

If we can somehow get to 160 then we have a chance. But i don't see it happening.
 
Pakistan should play the same XI it played today and Asif Ali should never play for Pakistan ever again.
 
Pakistan will beat South Africa easily but later crash out of the world cup.

The Pakistan-BD game may just wash out.

Pakistan play like Pakistan when the pressure is off nowadays.
 
Rana said:
What’s their to lose?

1. Mo Nawaz
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Iftikhar
4. Haider Ali
5. Khushdil
6. Asif
7. Shadab
8. Rizwan
9. Shaheen
10. Rauf
11. Wasim Jr

Just having Babar/Rizwan/Shan in the XI is seriously holding us back!
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Why would you open with Fakhar when his strike rate is lower than Rizwan? Putting aside the fact he isnt half the player Rizwan is.
And Asif Ali.. lol.. at no 6 even lol
 
Pakistan squad on their way to Sydney for the crucial game against South Africa on Thursday (pictures courtesy of the PCB)

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Conditions in Sydney are completely different from those in Perth. The pitches don't have the kind of bounce and there is nowhere near as much lateral movement.

The SA seam attack will be a lot less threatening at the SCG.
 
Being at the SCG will work in Pakistan's favour more than if it was Brisbane or Perth. Having said that I feel SA are going to be a little too strong for Pakistan, but this tournament has had upsets so far.
 
Pak will beat SA, But for Pak to qualify Bang need to beat India which is very difficult, but you never know.
 
Usergame said:
Why would you open with Fakhar when his strike rate is lower than Rizwan? Putting aside the fact he isnt half the player Rizwan is.
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Puttar it’s small things like this that has made our cricket a laughing stock today

In the words of Wasim Akram: “I can’t answer this ****”
 
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The conditions are dicey in perth ( & elsewhere - aus is going thru a cold wet phase).
it takes one good spell/one package of madness for any team to unrvel.
and for the same reasons as above india wont start as absolute fav against bangla. what if all matches are rained off? if i was pak, i'd go hard out against saf, no reason why saf cant be defeated....end of the day if we had scored 15 more, held our catches, got a direct hit....geee - massive IF...thats the beauty of the game i suppose :ua
 
South Africa is in red hot form, and I see no chance our bunch of misfits will be able to withstand their assault.

They were brutal against India, until individual brilliance from SKY made it possible for India to make a match out of it.

Sydney is not as easier as people are making it out to be. Didn’t Sri Lanka get decimated by Boult and Southee on this same ground a few days back?
 
RSA will tank us. Bangladesh have a lot to play for versus India even if they are a much inferior side. We don't deserve to be in the semi's.
 
Coolcapri said:
Pak will beat SA, But for Pak to qualify Bang need to beat India which is very difficult, but you never know.
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Don't forget the Zimboks. They have one easy game against Netherlands and a tough one against India. They are very much in the reckoning too.

And if Pakistan has to stand any chance, they must comprehensively beat South Africa and Bangladesh. Merely crossing the line is not enough.
 
gani999 said:
Don't forget the Zimboks. They have one easy game against Netherlands and a tough one against India. They are very much in the reckoning too.

And if Pakistan has to stand any chance, they must comprehensively beat South Africa and Bangladesh. Merely crossing the line is not enough.
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SA gonna win easily. Against Ban, 50/50 but still Pak will lose if they need to chase 150
 
gani999 said:
Don't forget the Zimboks. They have one easy game against Netherlands and a tough one against India. They are very much in the reckoning too.

And if Pakistan has to stand any chance, they must comprehensively beat South Africa and Bangladesh. Merely crossing the line is not enough.
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Netherlands isn’t an easy game for Zimbabwe
 
hitthestump said:
South Africa huge favourites in these conditions.

We've barely seen a Pakistani batsman find the middle of the bat throughout the whole tournament.

If we can somehow get to 160 then we have a chance. But i don't see it happening.
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Disagree - to have any chance we need to chase..

Also if Bangladesh beat India then our boys should be pumped up!
 
Lol I am just worried about our batsmen... SA will go crazy with their short ball stuff and I don't think we will have any answers for them.... On the other hand Pak always have upper hand on SA in ICC tournaments (If memory serves me correct)
 
Another humiliation awaits Pakistan let's see Rizwan and Shan should open the batting to negate the deadly pace attack of SA or may ne Pakistan can forfeit the powerplay overs
 
gani999 said:
Don't forget the Zimboks. They have one easy game against Netherlands and a tough one against India. They are very much in the reckoning too.

And if Pakistan has to stand any chance, they must comprehensively beat South Africa and Bangladesh. Merely crossing the line is not enough.
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We are set up to merely cross the line
 
Rana said:
What’s their to lose?

1. Mo Nawaz
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Iftikhar
4. Haider Ali
5. Khushdil
6. Asif
7. Shadab
8. Rizwan
9. Shaheen
10. Rauf
11. Wasim Jr

Just having Babar/Rizwan/Shan in the XI is seriously holding us back!
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If we held a contest to come up with the worst XI, this XI might win.
 
Usman Chadda said:
South Africa is in red hot form, and I see no chance our bunch of misfits will be able to withstand their assault.

They were brutal against India, until individual brilliance from SKY made it possible for India to make a match out of it.

Sydney is not as easier as people are making it out to be. Didn’t Sri Lanka get decimated by Boult and Southee on this same ground a few days back?
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Pakistan have a chance if they bat first. :inti
 
This isn’t exactly a nothing to lose game for Pakistan. There are some ulterior motives that can come into play considering the potential fallout from this World Cup.

1. Babar Azam’s captaincy is almost finished. Guys like Rizwan, Shan and Shadab will now be doing what they can to become the front runners to take over. Expect them all to play for themselves and score their little 50s

2. Babar Azam’s opening position also in danger. Babar will lose his captaincy but he will have to play a meaningful knock in the next two games to somehow make sure he can save himself as an opener, otherwise he will lose this position too and be forced to play in the middle or sit on the bench by any new captain/management. Same for Rizwan

3. RizBab face SA first choice bowlers first time lol. Their fans have always quoted the 200 run partnership in South Africa as the reason why they are the best openers in the world. Well, here comes the real deal!
 
They should drop Nawaz. They can be destructive against run of the mill left arm darters. In one over they can completely kill the game.
 
Saj said:
Thankfully it's in Sydney and not Perth !

But expect plenty of chin music against Ngidi, Nortje and Rabada.
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SCG is more subcontinent friendly. Ngidi is good on bouncy tracks. Not on wickets like SCG. He got canned in India leaking 51 runs in 3 overs just before world T20. before that 49 in 4. Based on that India tried to target him and lost their heads. Otherwise he is not exactly a threatening T20 bowler. Nortje is the main threat.
 
Rana said:
This isn’t exactly a nothing to lose game for Pakistan. There are some ulterior motives that can come into play considering the potential fallout from this World Cup.

1. Babar Azam’s captaincy is almost finished. Guys like Rizwan, Shan and Shadab will now be doing what they can to become the front runners to take over. Expect them all to play for themselves and score their little 50s

2. Babar Azam’s opening position also in danger. Babar will lose his captaincy but he will have to play a meaningful knock in the next two games to somehow make sure he can save himself as an opener, otherwise he will lose this position too and be forced to play in the middle or sit on the bench by any new captain/management. Same for Rizwan

3. RizBab face SA first choice bowlers first time lol. Their fans have always quoted the 200 run partnership in South Africa as the reason why they are the best openers in the world. Well, here comes the real deal!
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they may play it smart. make Fakhar/Shan/Haider open against SAF pace bowling telling them to go and blast it and they will likely fair (even india batting line failed against SAF), then come in to bat and make their own slow 50s, and say, see, no one else can open, and how we scored to save the day to get to our 130-140 total which was 20 runs less due to openers failure today.
 
Bavuma non-dismissal is the key. Rest are all blessed with multiple gears. Every single one. QDK, Russow, Markram, Miller. If you take these 4 out game over. Nobody else can do anything.
 
Doston, it’s been an honor.

If our campaign ends here, so be it, may we go out all guns blazing.

And if it isn’t, then we are about to see the greatest comeback in t20 history.
 
Suleiman said:
Doston, it’s been an honor.

If our campaign ends here, so be it, may we go out all guns blazing.

And if it isn’t, then we are about to see the greatest comeback in t20 history.
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I still Beeeeelievee :) :D

Would be an insane comeback if indeed it does happen.:akhtar
 
Some questions I have because I dont know or I am unsure

I believe Sydney Pitch the boundaries are a little smaller compare to Perth, and MCG right

at the same time I believe Sydney Pitch does not have as much Bounce as Perth, and I believe their might be something in it for the spinners.

If the above I mentioned is correct, should Pakistan go with an extra batsman, and if so should one of the spinner make way, or one of the fast bowlers, I think an extra batsman would help, since South Africa has a lethal bowling line up

Or should Pak stick with the same eleven that played vs Netherlands
 
mon858 said:
they may play it smart. make Fakhar/Shan/Haider open against SAF pace bowling telling them to go and blast it and they will likely fair (even india batting line failed against SAF), then come in to bat and make their own slow 50s, and say, see, no one else can open, and how we scored to save the day to get to our 130-140 total which was 20 runs less due to openers failure today.
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Indeed

It’s a dog eats dog world for this Pakistani team.
 
Rana said:
What’s their to lose?

1. Mo Nawaz
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Iftikhar
4. Haider Ali
5. Khushdil
6. Asif
7. Shadab
8. Rizwan
9. Shaheen
10. Rauf
11. Wasim Jr

Just having Babar/Rizwan/Shan in the XI is seriously holding us back!
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Bring back the hacks who have scored no runs in every opportunity provided to them, this will definitely strengthen our batting line-up.

The fact that you suggest Khushdil "Never Finished A Game" Shah, Asif "The Finisher Who is Finished" Ali, and the likes of Haider "Hack on the Leg-Side" Ali means that you are asking to be bundled out for 50 runs or in that particular range.
 
Rana said:
What’s their to lose?

1. Mo Nawaz
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Iftikhar
4. Haider Ali
5. Khushdil
6. Asif
7. Shadab
8. Rizwan
9. Shaheen
10. Rauf
11. Wasim Jr

Just having Babar/Rizwan/Shan in the XI is seriously holding us back!
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Other than our mind, not much else to lose if we play this XI.

Khushdil? :))) :))) bas kuch bhi
 
Rana said:
We should get 100 in 12 overs by hook or by crook

Unlike 91 in 15
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I mean yeah we all want that, but come on man, playing Khushdil is kind of reaching at this point.

Honestly need one of Babar or Rizwan to drop down to 3, Fakhar opens and Shan leaves altogether.
 
I honestly wouldn't mind another humiliating defeat.

If we fluke a win against SA then Ramiz will call our tournament "a success" and absolutely NOTHING is gonna change.

Losing badly against SA would actually benefit our team in the long run as thats the only way some big much needed changes could happen.
 
Let’s say SA score 180 in 20

How many overs will Pakistan have to chase this down in order to avoid NRR exit?
 
Welcome event for the Pakistan and South Africa teams arranged in Sydney.

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Rana said:
Let’s say SA score 180 in 20

How many overs will Pakistan have to chase this down in order to avoid NRR exit?
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I hope it's in five overs or something - so that they cannot win.
Any victory from here on in this tournament will become a chest thumping camouflage of an excuse where all will get shelter under the notion "ending on a high note". They will simply cover the problem with a sticky bandage and move on.

Everyone is making good money, and there is absolutely no sense of accountability in PCB - so no one actually cares.
 
Suleiman said:
Doston, it’s been an honor.

If our campaign ends here, so be it, may we go out all guns blazing.

And if it isn’t, then we are about to see the greatest comeback in t20 history.
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Miracle if we get to semis but it'll be a waste we will choke from a winning position. Predictable now.
 
Pakistans freak defeat to Zimbabwe is a timely wake up call to most teams which take the weaker teams for granted.

Having said that SA doesn’t look too invincible. The way they played against India had this been a knockout, they would have choked. They almost made a meal of that game.

Pak has enough fire power to catch SA.
 
Local.Dada said:
Pakistans freak defeat to Zimbabwe is a timely wake up call to most teams which take the weaker teams for granted.

Having said that SA doesn’t look too invincible. The way they played against India had this been a knockout, they would have choked. They almost made a meal of that game.

Pak has enough fire power to catch SA.
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Simply catching them isn’t enough though

SA get 6 or 7 points regardless

Pakistan needs to be in a good position with NRR
 
Rana said:
Let’s say SA score 180 in 20

How many overs will Pakistan have to chase this down in order to avoid NRR exit?
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If it’s like 14-15 overs

Then we will see if the boys actually play for themselves or for the team
 
Rana said:
If it’s like 14-15 overs

Then we will see if the boys actually play for themselves or for the team
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There is no nrr competition with saf.. they will have 5 points or 7 points. We just have to beat and beat Bangladesh. Nrr will be compared to India and they are similar to us and in case we make it over them they will have had 1 loss and 1 win so they won't be far from us but they have advantage of playing last game against Zimbabwe to know their ultimate target.
 
mon858 said:
There is no nrr competition with saf.. they will have 5 points or 7 points. We just have to beat and beat Bangladesh. Nrr will be compared to India and they are similar to us and in case we make it over them they will have had 1 loss and 1 win so they won't be far from us but they have advantage of playing last game against Zimbabwe to know their ultimate target.
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India tomorrow will beat Bangladesh

If they don’t, Bangladesh will equally be front runners to go through instead of us
 
Shahid Afridi speaking on TV:

"The next game is against South Africa. It will be a tough challenge, but Pakistan need to take one game at a time and try and win both. These two wins will be enough for us as a nation if it happens and they should not worry about rain or other factors affecting the games."
 
Pakistan letting Bavuma score runs would be a very Pakistani thing to do.
 
mon858 said:
There is no nrr competition with saf.. they will have 5 points or 7 points. We just have to beat and beat Bangladesh. Nrr will be compared to India and they are similar to us and in case we make it over them they will have had 1 loss and 1 win so they won't be far from us but they have advantage of playing last game against Zimbabwe to know their ultimate target.
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India will beat Bangladesh tomorrow which means Pakistan will be eliminated before its match with South Africa takes place. Beautiful. :klopp
 
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