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ICC World Cup 2023: Pakistan v New Zealand | Match 35 | Bengaluru | 4 November | Pre-Match Discussion

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NeVerMind said:
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BAD NEWS ⛈️ - There are 80% chances of rain in Bengaluru on 4Nov which is set for Pakistan NewZealand match. #CWC23
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Hope rain isn't a factor, both team's need this match.

Pakistan to qualify and us to find some form and confidence before a possible SF.

If we qualify because of a wash out, it will only make for a bad SF with one team getting an easy walk to the Final.
 
Aman said:
Hope rain isn't a factor, both team's need this match.

Pakistan to qualify and us to find some form and confidence before a possible SF.

If we qualify because of a wash out, it will only make for a bad SF with one team getting an easy walk to the Final.
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Who are the reserve player of NZ ?
 
Devadwal said:
Who are the reserve player of NZ ?
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Idk I think Jamieson was a name being said. But we're screwed with no Henry and Lockie.

We'll have Southee and Jamieson both who can be hit around in these conditions.
 
Aman said:
We're done.

Down to 10 players available in the squad, even if we do qualify we'll be easy opponents in the SF with no momentum or form.

Pakistan hopefully qualify if they beat us as they'll deserve it and will offer more competition to India or SA.
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Apparently Ferguson will be fit. He can take key wickets
 
I think Pakistan's only decision would be the #8 position. I think Agha will be retained at #7. Shadab should be the favourite for #8 but if he's not fit, Pakistan would probably continue with Usama Mir over Hasan Ali. Don't think we will go with 4 fast bowlers against a SENA team in India.
 
NZ are taking Pakistan and Sri Lanka too lightly

Matt Henry probably could have played on but the kiwi commentators said that it’s better for him to not partake in the game because they will need him in the knockout stages. That’s a bit silly now because Pakistan bowling are looking a lot stronger now and their batting has been boosted with Fakhar up top and firing.
 
I think Lockie and Henry will play but they're going to be 70-80% fit.

Pakistan is one of those teams where momentum is a real thing. I think they have a legitimate shot at giving NZ a real scare on Saturday.
 
A good team, losing key players is unfortunate. I hope New Zealand wins this match in Bengaluru.
 

How Black Caps can make Cricket World Cup semifinals​

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Black Caps lose final two games​

Funnily enough (though maybe not that funny to them) the Black Caps can lose their way into the semifinals – with a 4-5 record. New Zealand could lose five straight and finish on eight points, and end up in a situation with three other teams tied with them.


They would need Pakistan and Sri Lanka to lose their other games and Afghanistan to at least lose two of their final three. So all would be left on the same points and it would come down to Net Run Rate. In this case, the Black Caps currently have the highest NRR but would need to have close defeats to Pakistan and Sri Lanka, who would also need to suffer bigger defeats in their other games.

Black Caps beat either Pakistan or Sri Lanka​

A win over Pakistan or Sri Lanka would leave the Black Caps on 10 points (5-4 record). A win over Pakistan would be preferable as their Net Run Rate is closer to New Zealand’s, and the win would come sooner adding some relief for fans, and no doubt the players.

A defeat to Pakistan would still leave the door open but would mean the Black Caps would be keeping a close eye on other results.

Even if they lose to Pakistan and beat Sri Lanka, they might still need Pakistan to lose to England because it would come down to NRR.

Hosts India could do the Black Caps a favour and beat Sri Lanka tonight which would see their NRR fall even further back from New Zealand’s.

Black Caps beat Pakistan and Sri Lanka​

A 6-3 record would see the Black Caps finish on 12 points, which could get them as high as second on the table. It still doesn’t guarantee a semifinal place as Afghanistan could chase them down with three wins if they have a better NRR, though seems unlikely as they face Australia and India in their final two games.


How does Net Run Rate work?​

Simply put it’s the average runs scored per over by a team compared with the average runs per over scored against that team.
 
Aman said:
Hope rain isn't a factor, both team's need this match.

Pakistan to qualify and us to find some form and confidence before a possible SF.

If we qualify because of a wash out, it will only make for a bad SF with one team getting an easy walk to the Final.
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If you beat us I will gladly support NZ to lift the cup. That 2019 final left a bad taste.
 
Hopefully rain stays away. And this is pakistan match to lose. Nz will be playing this match after 2 days off and it's very hard for them to recover as many players in just 2 days
 
Oh just checked it's a day game early start rain is predicted in the late afternoon... interesting
 
Want Pakistan to win, but still its gonna be very difficult for them to reach semis.

In Bengaluru setting target is easier and Pakistan should aim to set up more that 320, that way they can up their NRR.

Usama Mir looks as dire as Nawaz, so they need to pick Agha Salman as 5th bowler, with Chacha being the sixth one.

Shaheen needs to fire and Babar has this last chance at redemption.

Rizwan holds the key for Pakistan as he has been easily their best batsman, now with Imam out and Fakhar in (which should have been done way earlier) Pakistans opening pair looks way more aggressive and Fakhar is a clutch player so hopefully he will score.

Haris Rauf needs to bowl disciplined line and lengths and aim to not get taken away for big runs, that will be enough from him.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Want Pakistan to win, but still its gonna be very difficult for them to reach semis.

In Bengaluru setting target is easier and Pakistan should aim to set up more that 320, that way they can up their NRR.

Usama Mir looks as dire as Nawaz, so they need to pick Agha Salman as 5th bowler, with Chacha being the sixth one.

Shaheen needs to fire and Babar has this last chance at redemption.

Rizwan holds the key for Pakistan as he has been easily their best batsman, now with Imam out and Fakhar in (which should have been done way earlier) Pakistans opening pair looks way more aggressive and Fakhar is a clutch player so hopefully he will score.

Haris Rauf needs to bowl disciplined line and lengths and aim to not get taken away for big runs, that will be enough from him.
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Fakhar is a hack. Just because he scored against desh means nothing, I highly if he will score well against good bowling attacks. Imam is atleast consistent. But he has been targeted because of dosti yaari trolls
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Fakhar is a hack. Just because he scored against desh means nothing, I highly if he will score well against good bowling attacks. Imam is atleast consistent. But he has been targeted because of dosti yaari trolls
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Fakhar has scored against all types of attacks, ranging from India, Aus to Bangladesh.

Imam is consistent against low quality attacks and even then he is not explosive enough. Fakhar is not consistent but he is mercurial and at his best he wins matches on his own which is exactly what Pakistan needs
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Fakhar has scored against all types of attacks, ranging from India, Aus to Bangladesh.

Imam is consistent against low quality attacks and even then he is not explosive enough. Fakhar is not consistent but he is mercurial and at his best he wins matches on his own which is exactly what Pakistan needs
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Fakhar is very inconsistent and has poor technique than Imam
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
NZ have lost their last 3 matches. They are out of form currently compared to Pak
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NZ and Pakistan lost 3 of their matches to the exact three teams. India/SA/Australia. The reason NZ looks far worse is because these events happened recently. I don't expect them to roll over. They will come out with strong strategies and gun fielding. I predict a run out or two somewhere when Pakistan bats.
 
Thunderstorms expected on Saturday evening at Bangalore, the match will be a washout
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Win the toss and Chase. It's a flat deck with small boundaries
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Wankhede and Chinnaswamy are not chasing grounds. The ODI scores at these two venues prove beyond dispute that if your bowling concedes 340, it's game over.

Also, it's a day match. So chasing might be even harder.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Want Pakistan to win, but still its gonna be very difficult for them to reach semis.

In Bengaluru setting target is easier and Pakistan should aim to set up more that 320, that way they can up their NRR.

Usama Mir looks as dire as Nawaz, so they need to pick Agha Salman as 5th bowler, with Chacha being the sixth one.

Shaheen needs to fire and Babar has this last chance at redemption.

Rizwan holds the key for Pakistan as he has been easily their best batsman, now with Imam out and Fakhar in (which should have been done way earlier) Pakistans opening pair looks way more aggressive and Fakhar is a clutch player so hopefully he will score.

Haris Rauf needs to bowl disciplined line and lengths and aim to not get taken away for big runs, that will be enough from him.
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the ideal XI was always Agha + Fakhar playing. But blunder Azam always picks the correct XI when we’re all but knocked out. Called it before the tournament started, and true to form he gave ample chances to his bff Imam until even he ran out of patience.

But he wanted to continue the tradition, esp the new tradition of always giving Nawaz the death overs to really play the game of making it out of group stages on hard difficulty setting
 
Lockie Ferguson's scan on his right Achilles revealed no significant damage and it's hoped he'll be available for Saturday's game against Pakistan in Bengaluru.

Ferguson might be available to play to play against Pakistan in case he recovers. In the absence of Matt Henry, it will be good news for NZ.​
 
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BouncerGuy said:
Rain may spoil the party for Pakistan.

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I was listening to someone who has been sent to cover the World Cup in India by a private channel and he said he has asked around and light rain is expected on Saturday.
Just scattered showers

However, on Thursday when NZ play SL on the same ground, thunderstorms are expected.

And so us winning both our remaining matches will send us through in such a situation.

I don't know how much of that is fact and how much fantasy. Let's hope for the best.
 
I really want Rauf to sit this one out. Like Fakhar the guy looks mentally shot. He’s been nothing but a bowling machine for these batters and doesn’t deserve to keep his spot.

Usama Mir is also low on confidence so I’d bring back Shadab hoping the break has done him some good but also accepting he offers a more rounded contribution than Usama does.

Abdullah
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Saud
Agha
Chacha
Shadab
Shaheen
Wasim
Hasan Ali

This is the most effective tail I’ve seen for Pak in a while too.
 
So Pakistan's spin has flopped very hard this wc and have proven to be much worse than any other team.

Should Pakistan take it on the chin and go out with an all pace attack?

Pace is their strength and always has been and don't have to act like sore losers when pacers have no overs left and spinners are used in death overs.

Having an all out pace bowling attack can do wonders for the team.

Shaheen, Hasan, Wasim jr., Rauf can do much better than Nawaj and Shadab.

And ifti and saud or other all rounders can provide spin if needed.

More pace is the need of the hour.
 
But they should have tried that against Afghanistan. Remaining teams are reasonably good against pace. Against low confident England worth it. NZ problem is spinners. So it is better to have atleast one.
 
This weekend has 3 potentially great games (Pak-NZ, Eng-Aus, and Ind-SA).

Rain will stay away from Pak-NZ game hopefully.
 
The weather looks terrible all day frustratingly.

Personally don't think Pak will qualify, however this is an intriguing encounter on paper with NZ's run of form and Pak's resurgence spurred on by qualification ambitions.

Shame it could be a rain plagued match.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Fakhar is a hack. Just because he scored against desh means nothing, I highly if he will score well against good bowling attacks. Imam is atleast consistent. But he has been targeted because of dosti yaari trolls
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So are you saying that Fakhar doesn't perform against good bowling attacks.
 
After SL's thorough demoralisation today the already slim chances of a semi final berth got even slimmer. Kiwis won't lose to them in any case.
Probably won't see much cricket on the day given the forecast but let's at least try to sign off in these last 2 with some dignity
 
hitthestump said:
I really want Rauf to sit this one out. Like Fakhar the guy looks mentally shot. He’s been nothing but a bowling machine for these batters and doesn’t deserve to keep his spot.

Usama Mir is also low on confidence so I’d bring back Shadab hoping the break has done him some good but also accepting he offers a more rounded contribution than Usama does.

Abdullah
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Saud
Agha
Chacha
Shadab
Shaheen
Wasim
Hasan Ali

This is the most effective tail I’ve seen for Pak in a while too.
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Trusting Shadab/Iftikhar/Salman with 20 overs might not a wise decision

Play Ifti at 6, Shadab at 7 and then 4 fast bowlers

What roles does Salman fulfill anyways?
 
saqib.rai said:
Trusting Shadab/Iftikhar/Salman with 20 overs might not a wise decision

Play Ifti at 6, Shadab at 7 and then 4 fast bowlers

What roles does Salman fulfill anyways?
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Salman is part time spinner/batter which is useless.

Pak already have 4-5 spinners in team and only 3 seamers. They need an all rounder like Hardik pandaya very badly to get 4th seamer.

Ideally Pak needs 4 fast bowlers and 2 spinners in line up.
Either both spinners need to be all rounder or each 1 spinner or seamer who can bat.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Lockie Ferguson's scan on his right Achilles revealed no significant damage and it's hoped he'll be available for Saturday's game against Pakistan in Bengaluru.

Ferguson might be available to play to play against Pakistan in case he recovers. In the absence of Matt Henry, it will be good news for NZ.​
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Hopefully he will remain unfit...
 
PassionForPak said:
Salman is part time spinner/batter which is useless.

Pak already have 4-5 spinners in team and only 3 seamers. They need an all rounder like Hardik pandaya very badly to get 4th seamer.

Ideally Pak needs 4 fast bowlers and 2 spinners in line up.
Either both spinners need to be all rounder or each 1 spinner or seamer who can bat.
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We have Shadab and Ifti who are both all-rounders
Hope sense prevails and we play 4 fast bowlers and 2 spin all-rounders
 
Good time to play NZ.

A few injuries, a few losses, key players not in form.

Kane's fitness could be key.
 
saqib.rai said:
We have Shadab and Ifti who are both all-rounders
Hope sense prevails and we play 4 fast bowlers and 2 spin all-rounders
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Can play all 4 available seamers. Should play them.

Might have to out Shadab for Nawaz but Batting order might be a concern so probably not.

I think they'll go with 3 seamers and 4 spinners like usual.

Hasan, Wasim Jr., Shaheen and Nawaz, Shadab, Ifti and saud.
Salman might be 5th spinner too lol.
Mir is better spinner but no batter.
 
PassionForPak said:
Can play all 4 available seamers. Should play them.

Might have to out Shadab for Nawaz but Batting order might be a concern so probably not.

I think they'll go with 3 seamers and 4 spinners like usual.

Hasan, Wasim Jr., Shaheen and Nawaz, Shadab, Ifti and saud.
Salman might be 5th spinner too lol.
Mir is better spinner but no batter.
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Nawaz CANNOT play at 7. It would mean the tail starts at 7
 
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If Pakistan couldn't beat an injured New Zealand team, it will be one of biggest chokes of the tournament.
 
ArabKnight said:
They couldn’t even beat an NZ where a wicket-keeper was one of the bowlers.
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Oh, I didn't know that. But the current situation is bad for NZ. If Kyle Jamieson plays, NZ may have a decent bowling unit. Otherwise, their bowling is going to be bad in Bengaluru conditions.
 
sweep_shot said:
This should be a cracking game.

NZ are probably slightly favorites but Pakistan tend to beat NZ during World Cups.
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slight? lol they are the overwhelming favorites.

Pakistan must play with all their heart and then some, and count on a heavy doze of luck, and hopefully some silly runouts otherwise it will be a routing.
 
One change Shadab in for Usama (injure him ) and get Abrar in squad.
 
Think the only way we’re gonna get through is beating NZ and england. And hoping Sri Lanka beat NZ. NRR isn’t going to work especially since even if we go ahead by nrr in the match which is unlikely, NZ will likely get it back by beating Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

Dunno if it’s much point worrying about NRr. Just win against NZ and hope Sri Lanka do us a favour.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I live in Bangalore, it won’t rain much here for sure.
At worst a passing shower in the evening and considering the fact that Paka game is in morning, expect a full 50 overs game.
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Yeah most Bangaloreans know that rains rarely last long there. It's rare for rains to last very long and the drainage is is world class. Pakistan will be exceptionally unlucky not to get a match at all.
 
ads101 said:
Think the only way we’re gonna get through is beating NZ and england. And hoping Sri Lanka beat NZ. NRR isn’t going to work especially since even if we go ahead by nrr in the match which is unlikely, NZ will likely get it back by beating Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

Dunno if it’s much point worrying about NRr. Just win against NZ and hope Sri Lanka do us a favour.
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You aren't quite correct. Getting a NRR above NZ (or close to theirs) tomorrow is important. After that, whatever margin NZ beats SL with is what Pakistan need to beat ENG with (or better) to qualify for the semis.

NZ has already played its game with BD.
 
For those who are apprehensive about rain, Bangalore experiences highly unpredictable weather, rainfall typically doesn't persist throughout the entire day. Furthermore, the accuracy of weather apps predicting rain in Bangalore may not necessarily translate to conditions around Chinnaswamy Stadium. As previously mentioned, the city's weather can be remarkably erratic, there is high possibility of instances of rain and bright sunshine occurring together within a mere 1km radius.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
For those who are apprehensive about rain, Bangalore experiences highly unpredictable weather, rainfall typically doesn't persist throughout the entire day. Furthermore, the accuracy of weather apps predicting rain in Bangalore may not necessarily translate to conditions around Chinnaswamy Stadium. As previously mentioned, the city's weather can be remarkably erratic, there is high possibility of instances of rain and bright sunshine occurring together within a mere 1km radius.
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Sounds a lot like what you get here in Singapore. Weather Apps show that it would rain every day, however rain never lasts more than 30 minutes. It rains continuously for a day maybe 2-3 days a year, and it rains 200 out of 365 days.
 
Pakistan's only solace is to win against NZ, Eng and walk out with head high, they will be welcomed back with opened arms.
 
New Zealand has been a perennial bunny of Pakistanis. You got this. I think you are worried about the wrong team. The real wounded warriors are the English. With no pressure for SF, English are going to be lethal in the next few games.
 
GreenKhan said:
How does someone who has averaged between 45-48 and had a SR between 90-96 through out all his career which is 80 matches with a 50 every 3 innings and a hundred every 9 innings be branded as " very inconsistent".

Are we talking about Fakhar zaman or Ahmed shehzad?
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Lol Pakistani fans have somehow managed to pigeonhole Fakhar into catch-all and cliche labels like “impact player” and “mercurial”.
In our slow tuk tuk batting, Fakhar actually happens to be a very consistent, sedate and modern accumulator going at 92 SR on average, which is btw just 3 points higher than Babar’s 89. He is the only top 5 who has the last gear and his 6 hitting ability feeds into these myths.
 
Farabi said:
Lol Pakistani fans have somehow managed to pigeonhole Fakhar into catch-all and cliche labels like “impact player” and “mercurial”.
In our slow tuk tuk batting, Fakhar actually happens to be a very consistent, sedate and modern accumulator going at 92 SR on average, which is btw just 3 points higher than Babar’s 89. He is the only top 5 who has the last gear and his 6 hitting ability feeds into these myths.
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Reason is this

2023 dot ball stats. For comparison i have added Kohli's numbers as well

2023 DOT BALL PERCENTAGE


Name​
Total Balls Faced​
Dot Balls​
% of Dot Balls​
Fakhar Zaman​
840​
464​
55.2%​
Imam Ul Haq​
749​
390​
52.0%​
Babar Azam​
1150​
585​
50.8%​
Virat Kohli​
1036​
436​
42.0%​
 
Jamieson replaces injured Henry in World Cup squad


Matt Henry has been ruled out of the ICC Cricket World Cup in India with a torn right hamstring and has been replaced in the BLACKCAPS squad by Kyle Jamieson.

Henry sustained the injury during Wednesday’s match against South Africa in Pune, with an MRI scan confirming he has a grade two lower tear which will require two to four weeks to recover from.

Coach Gary Stead said the whole team was thinking of Henry.

“We’re gutted for him,” Stead said in Bengaluru.

“Matt’s been a crucial part of our One Day side for a long time and to see him ruled out as we reach the business end of this tournament is immensely disappointing.

“He’s consistently been ranked inside the ICC top 10 ODI bowlers for the past few years which is testament to his class and skills.

“Moreover, Matt’s a great team man and we’re all going to miss his personality and experience.”

Jamieson arrived into Bengaluru late on Thursday and was expected to train with the team on Friday.

It’s been quite a journey for the 28-year-old who underwent back-surgery in February and has already been with the squad in India as training cover earlier in the tournament.

Stead said Jamieson was ready to go for Saturday’s game against Pakistan if required.

“We’re fortunate to have a player of the class of Kyle waiting in the wings,” he said.

“His skills and physical attributes always make him a threat with the ball and it’s an added bonus he was able to train with us in the first two weeks of the tournament.

“Kyle’s had to work really hard to return from two separate back injuries and I know he’s really excited about being involved in his first ODI World Cup.”

The BLACKCAPS sit fourth on the World Cup ladder with two round-robin games remaining against Pakistan on Saturday and Sri Lanka on Thursday, both in Bengaluru.
 
Matt Henry's absence will affect NZ big time. He was bowling such peach stuff and was much better than the other bowlers excluding Boult. Jamieson is not as capable as matt henry in ODIs
 
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