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ICC World Cup 2023: Pakistan v South Africa | Match 26 | Chennai | 27 October | Pre-Match Discussion

Will Pakistan beat South Africa and keep their hopes alive in the World Cup?


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Yikes. Mohammad Wasim is going to be cannon fodder with the new ball.

Then Rauf as first change…

Babar better get the tissues ready again
Absolutely last thing they needed, but Babar has found another to take the fall.

This WC has been nothing but a disaster of epic proportions for PCT. Cant believe it took one match (talking about the Asia cup one against India) for them to disintegrate completely. Before that match they were all strutting around like peacocks proud that they were ranked at the top of the tables, took one match to burst their bubble.
 
This could get really nasty, but knowing Pakistan cricket and the history, I reckon we’ll beat South Africa.

However, if it does get nasty then expect some cakes being put back in the fridge.
 
Bavuma told the media:

"I watched the Afghanistan game with Pakistan and it seemed to get a lot better batting under light. So, I guess there's that temptation from a batting point of view at least."

"There's obviously us needing to consider the fact that we've had a lot of success of late batting first. So fortunately for me, I don't have to make that decision right now. But, I think we know somewhere along the line in the tournament we'll have to bat second."

"The conversations that we've had as batters is to find ways as to how we can still follow that same process that we follow when we're batting first."
 
They need to play 4th seamer since we do not have any decent in form spin bowler. Every team has taken advantage of this.
 
usama isnt bad. Usama did well.

Abrar should had been tested during the England series where Babar played his Best Friend Usman Qadir. Abrar sat on the benches. After that he was dropped from the squad.
lol in what world has Usama did well? he is averaging 137 with an economy of 8 runs in ODIs. He dropped a crucial catch and got a zero while batting. Did not look like taking a wicket and hardly lands his balls in the right areas. Although he is probably better bowler than Shadab's bowling, that's a low low bar for anyone. At least Shadab has some body of work, even if its credibility is questionable.
 
lol in what world has Usama did well? he is averaging 137 with an economy of 8 runs in ODIs. He dropped a crucial catch and got a zero while batting. Did not look like taking a wicket and hardly lands his balls in the right areas. Although he is probably better bowler than Shadab's bowling, that's a low low bar for anyone. At least Shadab has some body of work, even if its credibility is questionable.

I'd say Usama is the worst selection in Pakistan history at this point
 
I'd say Usama is the worst selection in Pakistan history at this point
yeah, he looks like a very poor selection. Spinners, especially Leg spinners take time to mature. Its a difficult art. He hardly has any experience. Whatever experience he has doesn't give any confidence. He has played 20 first class matches and averages 47. Very few bowlers with this kind of FC average will do well in any format at international level. If PCB believes he has talent, then let him play in domestics and prove himself. He looks scared and has no confidence. I don't think even he believes he belongs to international standard. Poor Poor selection.
 
this game is giving past Australian tour like feeling when deep down a person knows he is helpless

Not even close.

Those Australian tour results were a lock, against South Africa tomorrow we at least got a minor chance hence all the Pro Pakistan posts in this match thread.
 
SA batting would not work well in Chennai if they bat first. This match is 50-50 in my opinion.
 
Why don't you guys understand Abrar is a Reserve! He is not in the playing squad.
Yes, to call Abrar in you have to send someone home (one doesn't have to prove that he is injured, he just can't play further). Fakhar is carrying a knee injury and is also out of form, so that would be a no brainer (However for some reason they are not ready to send him back).
 
On a similar Chennai wicket (like last one), may be PAK’s only chance is …… to chase!!! Ok, it’s not like the AFG game prediction 😩, but still hear it out.

PAK is not a bowling team any more - with due respect, after AFG-PK, SRL-ENG game, I’ll say PAK, BD & Poms are the three worst attacks of this WC. But, batting is still much better performing unit - given a reasonable target, they can chase methodically.

If PAK bats first and scores say 320….. SAF will come to chase knowing the exact target and this is not a KO game - I don’t see this PAK attack, backed by worthy fielding & captaincy defending that. PAK will need over 350 if they bat first which I don’t see coming. Yes, if it’s an underprepared turner, could be but I believe wicket will be as good as it can be at Chennai.

I think, PAK can chase up to 300, but to be safe let’s target 275. If SAF bats first and bats as their usual like recent days, they’ll cross 275 inside 40 overs and the pile up at ~100 in last 10. But, if PAK pacers can restrain Kok and get him out within PP, it’s possible for spinners to strangle them and restrict the target below 275. What happened in 2015 or 2015, has to relation to this game - different team, different playing conditions, different captain.

In general I have see SAF struggles against SLAO spin - so Nawaz plays, and Ifti bowls 10 as well, may be Saud few as well (however, to use part-timers, you need the captain to be Street smart). Shadab can contribute better with bat, so I’ll take him over Mir.

Bowl first with attacking/catching fielders and take the game to the South Africans - in any case, PAK won’t win playing defensive game, better try other way.
 
Babar is another stubborn guy and good student of Misbah… Both of them are stubborn for change , nothing they can do when pushed back they go into a shell and take the entire team with them. Their arrogance to play Rizwan ahead of Saud at no.4 is ruthless to say. Rizwan was portrayed as good player of spin lol, don’t know when that happened , time and again he showed that against quality spinners struggles to score or even put bat on ball when it’s turning

Expecting a duck or another low or no value score from Babar and him against SA.
 
Yes, they always spoil South Africa's party and put them in an uncomfortable must win situation at the business end of the tournament.
This will be broken tomorrow.. SA will eat this team alive. Haris rauf to score a century in bowling tmw.
 
If SA performs even 50% of their current performances in tomorrow's match then they will crush Pakistan.

Nothing short of brainfade or 3-4 wickets in a over is going to help Pakistan beat SA.

Current Pak pacers struggle to swing, hit good seam and lengths and spinners can't spin.

Everything relies on out batting SA or a brainfade from SA batters.
 
26 October - Chennai - South Africa Captain Temba Bavuma pre-match press conference

[Reporter:]

Pakistan said it’s a do or die game for him, and everyone knows that Pakistan on a given day can beat anyone. Keeping that in mind how are you going to plan for the game tomorrow?

[Temba Bavuma:]

I think we’ll plan for the game how we’ve been planning for all our games. We had our meetings today, we went through the Pakistan team, the threats that they bring, their strengths and obviously their weaknesses. So, I think probably in a basic form is to exploit those weaknesses and nullify their strengths. But like you said, Pakistan are a dangerous team. We know that they haven't played close to their best, but tomorrow could be that. Make sure we are ready for that.

[Reporter:]

Will there be any changes in the side to suit the conditions?

[Temba Bavuma:]

Yeah, definitely. We haven't finalised the team yet. We haven't seen the wicket yet. It's still under covers, but definitely you can expect for Shamsi to come into play.

[Reporter:]

Just how are you feeling and how frustrated was it for you to sort of miss those two games?

[Temba Bavuma:]

Feeling a lot better, thank you. Do feel close to normal physically. Yeah, obviously as a player you want to be playing, it was frustrating. There wasn't really much I could do from their point of view. But I think comfort in the fact that Aiden came in as the leader and he did a very good job. Reza as well with the opportunities that he is given. He did what you'd expect from a replacement player. So, I guess from that, there was comfort. Yeah, I'm feeling a lot better.

[Reporter:]

So, five matches, and in three of them, you have scored 350-plus. It's kind of that you have set it as a par score for your side. Is it something premeditated that you had a similar plan set while heading into a match? Because the last two games you happened to play in Mumbai where it was kind of a belter of a wicket, but in Chennai it's kind of right opposite of what you played. So how premeditated you are and what are your plans regarding how you're going to tackle the situation of the wickets quality switching so rapidly?

[Temba Bavuma:]

So, I think what we've done well is there's that process within our batting of assessing the conditions, looking at what we need from a skill and option point of view to be successful, and that's what we've done well.

So, I think the process in itself, batting here in Chennai, that's not going to change. We'll assess the wicket and, I guess, come up with options as to how we can be successful. And if the opportunity is there for us to score 350, we'll do so. If not, we'll make sure we play what's happening in front of us as best as we can.

[Reporter:]

How much of a motivating factor has ‘The Chokers' tag been for the South African side in being such a scary side in this tournament? Mentally, how has it affected the players?

[Temba Bavuma:]

I don't think it's given us any extra motivation to be honest. I think we probably looked at ways as to how we can maybe divert our attention away, not necessarily using the chokers tag, but how do we address and deal with the precedent expectation. We understand that as the tournament progresses, the more we keep playing well, that's going to come to the fray. But I think we've developed ways as to how we can, I guess, divert our attention, and focus on the important things?

Like I said, it's still early in the tournament. There's still going to be pressure situations that we're going to overcome. If we stumble, we'll probably have to deal with that tag again. But for us as a team, we're looking at other ways to be able to deal with the pressures and expectations that come with being on the field.

[Reporter:]

In your team meeting this morning, how much information are you getting out of Eric’s time and what is the kind of stuff that he's telling you to expect when you play out there tomorrow?

[Temba Bavuma:]

So definitely from a bowling point of view, there's a lot of nuggets of gold that are coming from Eric, his experience of obviously having coached in this part of the world. Like I said, we haven't seen the wicket, but he'll probably be the person that will be leading that conversation there. But yeah, he's been invaluable from that point of view, from a bowling point of view.

But I think also from the intangibles, the pressure and expectation from that point of view. If you ask a lot of the guys, he's almost played like a grandpa role within the team, kind of finding ways to almost regulate our emotions. So, it's been refreshing from that point of view.

[Reporter:]

I think you guys have been massively successful batting first. The fact that this is considered a slower, more turning spinners pitch, does that change that mindset? Are you still going to look to bat first if you win the toss?

[Temba Bavuma:]

It's a good question. I watched the Afghanistan game with Pakistan and it seemed to get a lot better batting under light. So, I guess there's that temptation from a batting point of view at least. And then there's obviously us needing to consider the fact that we've had a lot of success of-late batting first. So fortunately for me, I don't have to make that decision right now. But I think we know somewhere along the line in the tournament we'll have to bat second. And I think the conversations that we've had as batters is to find ways as to how we can still follow that same process that we follow when we're batting first. Yeah, that's how I can answer it now.

[Reporter:]

Taking off from that question, at a time when most teams look to bat second in India, what makes South Africa such a good batting first team in this tournament? What gives you the confidence to break the mould?

[Temba Bavuma:]

I think I'll always fall back on our process like I've been speaking about. I think you always want a good foundation being set. The guys are batting at the top order. I think batting in the subcontinent, that becomes very important. Having guys, your openers, your top three, who are able to lay the foundation, and look, we've also got explosive guys. Aiden who can play both roles. You've got Klaasen who is, I think he's in the league of his own at the moment, the way he's hitting the ball. You've got David, and we've also got Marco Jansen who's also finding his feet in terms of clearing the boundary.

So, you know, that explosiveness that we have in our middle order, I think that's obviously helped us to be really destructive in the death phase. But I think it's all due to all the foundational work that is done by the guys at the top. It helps when you have a guy like Quinton de Kock as well who's played in these conditions over a number of years now. He really knows what's going. He's informed and he's making a count.

[Reporter:]

Pakistan looks unsettled team from the last three successive games they lost and their bowling is look also unsettled. Do you think it's your advantage as a team and do you think that Pakistan can bounce back as they do in previous ICC events?

[Temba Bavuma:]

Definitely, Definitely, we didn't write out Pakistan starting the tournament I had them as one of the top four teams at the end of the group stages. So that's the amount of respect that you have for Pakistan. We don't have a great record, to be honest, against Pakistan in ODI. So, I think with everything that is happening around their team, the things that are not happening well for them. I think that humbles us as a team and it really gets us, I guess, to just pull ourselves back and make sure that we still focus on playing good cricket.

I saw a comment that described Pakistan as mercurial. I had to Google the word, but it spoke about how a team can be good one day and not so good the other day. So, we want to make sure that when they're good, we are so good as well.

[Reporter:]

You spoke about the explosive middle order. You have one and Klaassen has been batting really well. We saw the other day Maxwell as well. How important is it for a team to have that explosive middle order batters coming good in such a tournament like this World Cup?

[Temba Bavuma:]

Very important. Like I said, the success of those guys is due to the foundation that is set for them. You don't want guys like that walking in the 15th over or the 20th over. So, you really want to be setting up the game for them to come out and express the talent and ability that they have. I mean, the confidence that he has, that he's exuding at the moment, it's rubbing on a lot of the guys within the team, within the conversations that we have. So, that's great to see. And I guess for us as players, it's to support him, to make sure that he keeps going stronger and stronger with those performances, but also for other guys as well to come in and put in those inspirational type of performances that we're seeing from him.

[Reporter:]

As the tournament approaches the business end and semi-finals come into focus, it just seems that the squad has an unusually high percentage of players who are not prone to great emotion, don't take the highs particularly high or the lows particularly low. Would you say, when you look at, I don't know, Klaasen, yourself, Aiden and KG and Lungi, everybody, there seems to be a lot of he relaxed players an unusually high amount would you think that's a team characteristic

[Temba Bavuma:]

I think behind the outside of the cameras the guys are quite emotional I think that is a skill that we're all trying to learn, even myself. I think when we get into those pressure moments, I think that's where it's really going to count.

We've had conversations around it. But I think the real, like I said, true sense is going to come when we get past those situations. But we're doing what we can in terms of to prepare ourselves as well as we can to let go of the outcome and really focus on our process and just not be too overly invested emotionally in what it will look like if we are in those position.

I think it's also the understanding of knowing that we've come across a lot of challenges as a team to be in this point.

Five games ago, we weren't probably seen as the favourites, but now, there's a lot more positivity around the Proteas and the South African team. But, yeah, I think the old, cliched way, we're trying to take it day by day and keep enjoying our processes and the journey.
 
Absolutely last thing they needed, but Babar has found another to take the fall.

This WC has been nothing but a disaster of epic proportions for PCT. Cant believe it took one match (talking about the Asia cup one against India) for them to disintegrate completely. Before that match they were all strutting around like peacocks proud that they were ranked at the top of the tables, took one match to burst their bubble.
This is exactly what I was saying. That game has damaging effect up till now - specially on the bowling. It also showed to the world that playing aggressively against Pakistani bowlers would ensure success and even Afg is now doing the same.
 
Tomorrow lineup has to be different..I would suggest batting order as
Abdullah
Fakhar
Agha salman
Babar
Iftikhar
Rizwan
Shahdab
Wasim jnr.
Osama
Shaheen
Haris
 
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Our only hope is if Bavuma plays
 
If NED can beat SA, why can't the #1 ranked Pakistan beat SA? Pakistan is better than NED in every department. Even if SA wins, it won't be a cakewalk.
 
They will proberly go with this xi

Fakhar
Abdullah
Babar
Rizwan
Saud
Iftikhar
Shadab
Nawaz
Wasim Jnr
Rauf
Shaheen
 
SA has been playing high intensity cricket. There is a good chance they may drop the guard. One stat you have to notice is South Africans at Chennai stadium

Against MSD's CSK at Chennai

QDK 7 innings 74 runs 10.57 avge 94.87 strike rate
David Miller 5 innings 83 runs 20.57 avge 136.87 strike rate
Klaasen 1 inning 17 runs 17.00 avge 106.25 strike rate
Markram 1 innnings 12 runs 12.00 avge 100.00 strike rate
This is not exactly a favorite ground for South Africans in the IPL.
 
Glad that club level bowler Hasan Ali is not playing ( but I wish him quick recovery from fever ) , looking forward to see Wasi Jr, hope he will perform.
 
I have heard that they are using the New Zealand Vs Bangladesh pitch which had more bounce and New Zealand seamers produced 7 wickets.
Pakistan should bat first and pose close to 300 atleast. Shaheen and Haris will enjoy the wicket.
But if Pakistan bats second then there is a very low chance of winning. Ball will swing and seam under lights and Jansen can strike a collapse. We could be bowled out for under 100 as well in that case.
My assumptions are based upon the kind of wicket expected. It will be bouncier and quicker than the Chennai standards.
 
SA has been playing high intensity cricket. There is a good chance they may drop the guard. One stat you have to notice is South Africans at Chennai stadium

Against MSD's CSK at Chennai

QDK 7 innings 74 runs 10.57 avge 94.87 strike rate
David Miller 5 innings 83 runs 20.57 avge 136.87 strike rate
Klaasen 1 inning 17 runs 17.00 avge 106.25 strike rate
Markram 1 innnings 12 runs 12.00 avge 100.00 strike rate
This is not exactly a favorite ground for South Africans in the IPL.
Come on man, how can you compare MSD to Babar. MSD has won everything that is there to be won, and Babar haven't anything as a captain. Master tactican vs zero tactics
 
Come on man, how can you compare MSD to Babar. MSD has won everything that is there to be won, and Babar haven't anything as a captain. Master tactican vs zero tactics

One data they can use is out of 7 dismissals 4 times he got out to off spinners. 3 times to off spinner including part timer. once to mystery spinner. Also slow ball experts too. Pakistan has to do a bit of experiment
 
Yeah I recon that’s going to backfire

It just bides more time for Klaasen, Miller, Jansen and Coetzee to go all guns blazing if they get 15-20 overs to bat
I think if we wanted to win we would have to bowl them all out early. Even if Bavuma is bad, he’s always going to have one partner who can blast the ball.

Also Bavuma is certainly the least explosive out of the group but he’s played some great innings in the past too, we can’t underestimate him just because all of the other batsmen are better.
 
They will proberly go with this xi

Fakhar
Abdullah
Babar
Rizwan
Saud
Iftikhar
Shadab
Nawaz
Wasim Jnr
Rauf
Shaheen
Starting to think they should bring Iftikhar up to 4, move everyone down a spot and replace Saud with Agha.
 
I think if we wanted to win we would have to bowl them all out early. Even if Bavuma is bad, he’s always going to have one partner who can blast the ball.

Also Bavuma is certainly the least explosive out of the group but he’s played some great innings in the past too, we can’t underestimate him just because all of the other batsmen are better.
Bavuma took a particular liking to Haris Rauf in the world T20.
 
With Hasan Ali not playing, they have to open the bowling with Iftikhar or Agha. I would actually stack the batting with Agha in place of Usama and Wasim jnr in place of Hasan Ali.
 
just looking at some people’s proposed teams really shows me how badly Pakistan have selected a 50 over World Cup team. They’re playing a t20 team, that doesn’t work in this format. There needs to be some match winners with the bat, some batting all rounders who can hit big against good opposition and stay at the crease for a while. This Shadab/Nawaz duo need to be gotten rid off, offer minimal with bat and ball. I have zero faith in anyone after rizwan at 4. Lots of bits and piece players who will very rarely if ever win you the game with the bat.
 
we’re going to lose, just lose with some dignity and at least show some fight.

As for the spinners please try to land in a good length and not give three full tosses and half trackers an over, you are slow bowlers shouldn’t be hard?!!

This World Cup has been so embarrassing just want it to end to be honest.

Hope New Zealand can pull it off this time !
 
Oh bhai, how many times do we keep shifting sheddy and nawaz 😂😂. Its like replacing one broken door with another broken door, Sa won't exactly encounter any barriers.
SA haven’t faced our spinners yet.

Don’t see them doing much, they will be lucky if Miller comes good.
 
just looking at some people’s proposed teams really shows me how badly Pakistan have selected a 50 over World Cup team. They’re playing a t20 team, that doesn’t work in this format. There needs to be some match winners with the bat, some batting all rounders who can hit big against good opposition and stay at the crease for a while. This Shadab/Nawaz duo need to be gotten rid off, offer minimal with bat and ball. I have zero faith in anyone after rizwan at 4. Lots of bits and piece players who will very rarely if ever win you the game with the bat.
Well Fakhar is a walking wicket as well, but we can rely on Ifti. He is much better than Nawaz/Shahdab
 
Well Fakhar is a walking wicket as well, but we can rely on Ifti. He is much better than Nawaz/Shahdab
I still think fakhar zaman is viewed by pak supporters in good light because of his 2017 CT innings. If you saw him in LPL - guys would realize how horribly out of form he is in.. missing straight balls to average Lanka bowlers. How guys want hom as an opener is something I don't understand. Pak batting has been pretty good - it's their bowling that's the problem on all games till now. Chasing 330 plus everytime is tough for any team in a WC. There is no way the bowling unit should be leaking that many runs in every game.. Pak batsmen flopped only in the Ind game. All the other Pak games were lost due to their bowling
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