If Colin de Grandhomme can be a Test all-rounder, why can't Aamir Yamin or Imad Wasim be the same?

[Titan24]

We all know that we have teenage pace bowlers in Naseem and Shaheen while modern day cricket with three formats, leagues and domestic cricket takes a considerable toll on body. So why not have an All rounder in the test team who can bat and provide comfort of 10-15 overs in a day too.

That will also allow someone like Naseem or going forward Hasnian or any other young pacer to ball short and fast spells.

When Collin De Grandomme started his career nobody could have said that he can become a test all rounder. He was averaging mid 30s with bat in FC and was averaging early to mid 30s with ball in hand. NZ picked him and then groomed him and now he is a pretty decent test all rounder for them.

Aamir Yamin averages 39 with the bat (Which is almost similar to Shafiq while better than Shan) and on top of that he averages 26 with the ball. He is 29, so what exactly is stopping Pak selectors to have him in the test team at no 7?

Imad Wasim averages 40 with the bat and has shown decent temperament and technique even in ODIs, while he averages 31 with the ball in FC cricket.

If we are to play teenage pacer we should atleast give them such a cushion in tests and once they are 3-4 years into the circuit then one can experiment but for now I think they need someone to share the workload and if De Granhomme can play for NZ why not Aamir Yamin or Imad Wasim for Pak?

What do you guys think?

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Yes I always wanted Aamer Yamin to be picked. Laugh at his bowling all you want but he swings it and de Grandhomme chucks out pies yet picks wickets all the time.

Also he will be a very good batting option at 7.
Definitely should be picked. And start all our tests.

Abid,Shan,Azhar,Babar,Fawad,Rizwan,Yamin could be a decent batting lineup for tests. But are they brave enough to drop the dud Shafiq?

 

[Titan24]

Yes I always wanted Aamer Yamin to be picked. Laugh at his bowling all you want but he swings it and de Grandhomme chucks out pies yet picks wickets all the time.?

Also Yamin is much faster than Grandomme and can bowl in early to mid 130s which is pretty solid as a 5th bowler in tests. His seam position is excellent can be really handy in Eng, NZ and conditions which provide bit of assistance.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

You talk as if de Grandhomme is some sort of a joker. He has incredible power with the bat and can extract subtle swing to castle really good players. If Aamir has those, why not? Just get him in. But Imad is definitely not test class. Doesn't have the guile with the ball and too loose with the bat.

 

[Titan24]

You talk as if de Grandhomme is some sort of a joker. He has incredible power with the bat and can extract subtle swing to castle really good players. If Aamir has those, why not? Just get him in. But Imad is definitely not test class. Doesn't have the guile with the ball and too loose with the bat.

Not denying Granhomme's ability but he had a poor technique when he started but he has improved and was developed well by NZ set up. Not undermining him at all rather just stating the obvious that he didnt look like a test al rounder when he came onto the scene.

Imad averages 40 in FC, at no 7 you need to be a bit aggressive as we see with CDG as well. Imad has a decent technique and is much better than CDG when he started, as a bowler he is more than capable to ball with an economy of around 2 which can be really handy and a wicket or 2 can be a bonus.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Yamin should not have been dropped from the team since the 60 odd against Zimbabwe. He is a solid batter, good bowler and decent fielder. He should be a part of the team in all formats. Brilliant option for No.6/7

 

[the Great Khan]

err just look at them all..de grandomme looks like he wants to be on the field and will give everything. Aamir yamin looks like he'll get eaten by a finch or warner. I dont know what the fascination with him is. He is mediocre at best. As for fatty imad. The guy thinks he's the don of wales for goodness sake. I mean his fat beer belly and those dibbly dobbly oranges he throws are a joke..and then he thinks he's afridi when he comes out to bat but is just a glorified Rashid type tailender

 

[aloo paratha]

People on here are too obsessed with pace. Wagner doesn't bowl many balls faster than 135 kph yet he's been new Zealand's best bowler for the last 2-3 years.

Aamer Yamin isn't even that slow, he usually bowls between 130-135 kph. He gets the ball to swing and seam. He should definitely be selected on England,he will be useful there. Obviously he is also a good batsmen.

 

[topspin]

How tall is CDG?

 

[HappyWarsFan]

How tall is CDG?

Think around 6'0.

 

[RyanRyan10]

I never understood why this guy was dropped at 1st place.He did well in the limited opportunities given to him.

 

[Boi]

Imad doesn’t want to play Test Cricket. He admitted that before this domestic season began.

Yamin definitely is an option.

 

[andy0204]

1 pace allrounder is necessary in the team whether it's test or odi.

 

[sharmaji]

I dont think CDG "chucks" as you said. His action is genuine. Also, he started his career with a 6 wicket haul in tests against Pakistan, so he is no mug with the bowl. His batting technique may not look good but he is mentally strong and tends to value his wicket inspite of his impressive hitting skills.

Yes I always wanted Aamer Yamin to be picked. Laugh at his bowling all you want but he swings it and de Grandhomme chucks out pies yet picks wickets all the time.

Also he will be a very good batting option at 7.
Definitely should be picked. And start all our tests.

Abid,Shan,Azhar,Babar,Fawad,Rizwan,Yamin could be a decent batting lineup for tests. But are they brave enough to drop the dud Shafiq?

 

[topspin]

Think around 6'0.

Interesting. He looks taller but anyway he's levels above Aamer Yamin as a batsman and bowler.

CDG for me is by far the most underrated player on PP. Average of 40 with the bat and 29 with the ball is a real luxury to have in your team.

 

[Markhor]

Yamin was horribly treated by Waqar in 2015 who probably thought he wasn't phaast enough for his liking.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Imad's twitter bio itself says "T20 specialist". Why are you pushing an uninterested guy towards test cricket? Believe it or not, test cricket is dead except for Ashes rivalry. Most test matches are horribly one-sided these days. Amir saw writing on the wall and bid goodbye. Hasan Ali, Musa etc to follow the suit very soon.

 

[Titan24]

Interesting. He looks taller but anyway he's levels above Aamer Yamin as a batsman and bowler.

CDG for me is by far the most underrated player on PP. Average of 40 with the bat and 29 with the ball is a real luxury to have in your team.

I rate him decently but have seen how improved as a cricketer he is than when was selected for NZ and that is why this thread that if he who is decent (But not exceptional) can make no 3 ranked test squad in the world why cant Aamir Yamin or someone else can also be groomed for a similar role.

 

[Danyaalr01]

De Grandhomme has a lot of control and bowls really tight. I wish Abbas could do what Colin is doing right now. He can also get quick runs.

Fact: De Grandhomme plays for my local club. So do McClenagan, Munro and Kyle Mills.

 

[Titan24]

He is one of the few bowlers in Pakistan who like to ball with the new ball and swings it well. He fulfills two things which Pak team wants a bowler who can ball with new ball as other than Amir and now Shaheen there arent many in LOIs, further he also fulfills that seam bowling all rounder spot.

Just because he cant ball that well in end overs didnt mean he should have been completely ignored.


Guy averages close to 40 with 4 100s and HS of 225 in FC.

 

[tyron_woodley]

De Grandhomme has a lot of control and bowls really tight. I wish Abbas could do what Colin is doing right now. He can also get quick runs.

Fact: De Grandhomme plays for my local club. So do McClenagan, Munro and Kyle Mills.

have u ever faced them?

 

[aloo paratha]

He will fit perfectly at 7 on overseas tours. Solid bat, handy bowler.

Masood
Abid
Azhar
Babar
Asad
Rizwan
Yamin
Shadab/Zafar
Shaheen
Abbas
Naseem

This should ideally be our team in NZ and England.

 

[tyron_woodley]

He will fit perfectly at 7 on overseas tours. Solid bat, handy bowler.

Masood
Abid
Azhar
Babar
Asad
Rizwan
Yamin
Shadab/Zafar
Shaheen
Abbas
Naseem

This should ideally be our team in NZ and England.

yes. one bowler or 2 must do the containment job. India learnt that the hard way. You need an extra bowler to give your strike bowler rest. That's what india missed. pandya and bhuvi injury really hurt india.

Hopefully for Pakistan's sake they don't make the same mistake. You need to have balance. Doesn't matter if the all rounder is a bit part player as long as he can bat a bit. 25 - 35 odd and contain with the ball. That's all.

 

[Danyaalr01]

have u ever faced them?

No.

 

[aloo paratha]

yes. one bowler or 2 must do the containment job. India learnt that the hard way. You need an extra bowler to give your strike bowler rest. That's what india missed. pandya and bhuvi injury really hurt india.

Hopefully for Pakistan's sake they don't make the same mistake. You need to have balance. Doesn't matter if the all rounder is a bit part player as long as he can bat a bit. 25 - 35 odd and contain with the ball. That's all.

Well I wouldn't say it is needed. If your main pacers have supreme fitness, and your spinner can contain, you will be fine. Australia did well in England with 3 pacers and a spinner.

But for a team like Pakistan, 3 pacers will not work overseas because our pacers are not fit enough. It's fine at home because Yasir or whoever the spinner is will bowl a quarter of the overs.

 

[Junaids]

How tall is CDG?

Think around 6'0.

CDG is tall enough to be able to strangle the scoring rate.

I reckon you’re stuck with Faheem Ashraf and Shadab Khan unless Amad Butt starts to develop.

 

[InziRules]

CDG has height and bats much better than any of the two names in the title

 

[Junaids]

How tall is CDG?

Think around 6'0.

CDG has height and bats much better than any of the two names in the title

Yes, but ask yourself these two questions:

Which pair is worth more runs from Numbers 7 and 8 in a Test?

De Grandhomme + Santner
Shadab + Faheem

Which pair is able to bowl more overs economically while still taking wickets?

De Grandhomme + Santner
Shadab + Faheem

Overall I’d rather have Pakistan’s pair than New Zealand’s!

 

[tyron_woodley]

Well I wouldn't say it is needed. If your main pacers have supreme fitness, and your spinner can contain, you will be fine. Australia did well in England with 3 pacers and a spinner.

But for a team like Pakistan, 3 pacers will not work overseas because our pacers are not fit enough. It's fine at home because Yasir or whoever the spinner is will bowl a quarter of the overs.

true good point. Indian bowlers were a bit off in that series. bunrah just back from Injury. shami played too many games. ishant ankle injury.

bhuvi pandya injured. Team was a bit fatigued. So selection was messed up as usual for away games.

Perhaps you don't need an all rounder because india did win in australia with 4 bowlers as well. But everyone were well conditioned for that series and fresh.

Pakistan just needs to be fresh I suppose and practice RED BALL cricket in say australia or county before going to n.z

no t20, tamasha odi ** rubbish like india did.