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If Imam-ul-Haq is our future, then we are not going to become a modern ODI outfit

Who is better than him in this Pakistan team?
Maybe Babar

Against SA the strike rate of Imam and Babar is not much different.

Against England Imam played only once and Babar mostly failed against England

Against Australia, Imam never plays

Against NZ, Babar is ahead

He has played 3 x ODIs against Australia - averaging 21 @ SR: 60

Babar's SR against the top 5 is 81-82, which is significantly greater than Imam's SR against the same opposition.

I would like to see Imam open for Pakistan straight after the WC and given a long rope (18-24 months) but at the moment he is not good enough at this level.
 
Who will be the opener if you want to replace Imam?

The mediocre Shahzad or Shan Masood ( failed against Aus B on flat pitches )
Abid is also new in International cricket he score 1 hundred but also score duck in next inning.

Sahibzada Farhan, Awais Zia, Khuram, Salman butt, Sami Aslam, Imran farhat etc are not good enough to replace a run machine like Imam

Please read my post, I've come up with 2 alternatives.
 
A healthy strike rate is nice to have for a mediocre team like Pakistan. The so called aggressive batsmen like Fakhar, Umar, and Asif cannot even score a 50 collectively. For Pakistan, Imam is the perfect choice to open with hit or miss Fakhar.

Have you noticed Babar's SR recently? No wonder, even Mickey had to say that Babar needs to increase his SR.

If you have read any of my other posts about those players you will know that I already dismissed Fakhar, Asif and Talat because despite their strike rate, I consider them limited sloggers who can only hit weak bowling or balls pitched in their zone.

That is the reason why I rate Babar, and to a lesser extent, Haris Sohail. They can score all round the pitch, and don't need to resort to cross bat hoikes to make a shot. At the top level you are always going to get more from players like that regardless of S/R.

Imam I just don't rate because he has looked crap against short fast bowling. That said, in a 50 over game, if he can learn to leave those balls alone he can still make a 50 even if he is unlikely to win matches by himself.
 
A guy averaging 50+ and striking at 80 or so is supposed to be bad...

Some of you are just so toxic. I hope none of you turn up at a ground to "support" the team.
 
If we have to settle for mediocrity then why did we get rid of Azhar. At least the latter has safe pair of hands.
 
Too many problems, from openers till tailend. Inzi and Mickey should be sacked. No planning in the last 4 years. We couldn’t find a single power hitter and we are stuck with gully level player Faheem. For openers, Mickey loves Fakhar and Inzi loves Imam. This Pak team has to be one the weakest.
 
Azhar Ali scored a magnificent 80 ball ton for Somerset very recently.

And took 5 with the ball today surprisingly. Better than Imam in all 3 facets of the game, it's sad that he was thrown out for Imam even after his performances in the CT.
 
Azhar Ali actually started doing well as an opener - specifically in the champions trophy where he was solid at the top and much improved with his strike rate. What do we do - sideline him so a very garbage player like Imam can be introduced and take over as opener. Forget how many runs Imam has scored, if you just look at how he bats, how many balls he misses or gets hit on the helmet by, its quite embarrassing. Many people here will say "50 average ...80 strike rate" but if you take out performances against Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, please let me know how those stats look.
 
Azhar Ali actually started doing well as an opener - specifically in the champions trophy where he was solid at the top and much improved with his strike rate. What do we do - sideline him so a very garbage player like Imam can be introduced and take over as opener. Forget how many runs Imam has scored, if you just look at how he bats, how many balls he misses or gets hit on the helmet by, its quite embarrassing. Many people here will say "50 average ...80 strike rate" but if you take out performances against Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, please let me know how those stats look.

If one cherry picks stats then no batter in world will have great stats or will have most terrific stats based on whats cherry picked.
 
Azhar Ali actually started doing well as an opener - specifically in the champions trophy where he was solid at the top and much improved with his strike rate. What do we do - sideline him so a very garbage player like Imam can be introduced and take over as opener. Forget how many runs Imam has scored, if you just look at how he bats, how many balls he misses or gets hit on the helmet by, its quite embarrassing. Many people here will say "50 average ...80 strike rate" but if you take out performances against Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, please let me know how those stats look.

vs Afghanistan:

Fakhar 0
Imam 80
Babar 66
Haris 13
Malik 51*
Sarfraz 8
Asif 7

vs Bangladesh:

Fakhar 1
Imam 83
Babar 1
Sarfraz 10
Malik 30
Shadab 4
Asif 31

What is the point of accusing Imam of minnow bashing against Afghanistan and Bangladesh when others were batting like idiots? What stopped the likes of Fakhar, Babar, Haris, Malik, Sarfraz and Asif from outscoring him?

Imam is not a world beater, but let's take a look at his pros and cons in the context of our team. I will start with the cons.

Cons:

- He doesn't pace his innings very well. His SR is around 70 for the most part, and if he bats through the innings, he ends with a SR of 85. Ideally, he needs to bat around a SR of 85 throughout and finish with a SR of 100+.

- Apart from South Africa, he hasn't scored heavily against any major team so far.

Pros:

- He is a consistent run scorer with a sound technique.

- His temperament is good - he often keeps his head when others around him have gone bonkers.

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As far as his so-called minnow bashing is concerned, we need to realise that we have very, very few players who consistently deliver against top opposition. There is a reason why we are ranked 6th with 96 points - we are a rubbish team and most of our players are not of the highest calibre.

Even Babar, our best batsman, has scored 7 of his 8 hundreds against Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe. Imam does not play for England or India - these teams have the luxury of selecting players based on how they perform against top opposition, but we don't.

Imam is nowhere near the best ODI openers in the world, but this witch-hunt against him is borne out of the notion that he is not in the team on merit. It is true that he may not have been in the team if Inzamam wasn't his uncle, but he has proved himself worthy of playing for this team and his selection is now justified on merit.

Inzamam did not help him score a hundred on ODI debut, he did not help him score an unbeaten 74 on Test debut against Ireland to prevent Pakistan from an embarrassing defeat, he did not help him top score for Pakistan in the Asia Cup and he did not help him win the Man of the Series Award after top scoring in the ODI series in South Africa.

People need to accept this for once and for all - Imam has earned his spot in the team and is on 100% merit. Whether Inzamam stays or goes, he has done enough to get a long rope. This doesn't mean that he has no room for improvement and there will be no better options in the future.

There could be, but Imam so far is doing a good job for a pathetic team that is ranked 6th. He is not competing with the best openers in the world; he is competing with his Pakistani counterparts and he has done very well compared to them.
 
vs Afghanistan:

Fakhar 0
Imam 80
Babar 66
Haris 13
Malik 51*
Sarfraz 8
Asif 7

vs Bangladesh:

Fakhar 1
Imam 83
Babar 1
Sarfraz 10
Malik 30
Shadab 4
Asif 31

What is the point of accusing Imam of minnow bashing against Afghanistan and Bangladesh when others were batting like idiots? What stopped the likes of Fakhar, Babar, Haris, Malik, Sarfraz and Asif from outscoring him?

Imam is not a world beater, but let's take a look at his pros and cons in the context of our team. I will start with the cons.

Cons:

- He doesn't pace his innings very well. His SR is around 70 for the most part, and if he bats through the innings, he ends with a SR of 85. Ideally, he needs to bat around a SR of 85 throughout and finish with a SR of 100+.

- Apart from South Africa, he hasn't scored heavily against any major team so far.

Pros:

- He is a consistent run scorer with a sound technique.

- His temperament is good - he often keeps his head when others around him have gone bonkers.

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As far as his so-called minnow bashing is concerned, we need to realise that we have very, very few players who consistently deliver against top opposition. There is a reason why we are ranked 6th with 96 points - we are a rubbish team and most of our players are not of the highest calibre.

Even Babar, our best batsman, has scored 7 of his 8 hundreds against Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe. Imam does not play for England or India - these teams have the luxury of selecting players based on how they perform against top opposition, but we don't.

Imam is nowhere near the best ODI openers in the world, but this witch-hunt against him is borne out of the notion that he is not in the team on merit. It is true that he may not have been in the team if Inzamam wasn't his uncle, but he has proved himself worthy of playing for this team and his selection is now justified on merit.

Inzamam did not help him score a hundred on ODI debut, he did not help him score an unbeaten 74 on Test debut against Ireland to prevent Pakistan from an embarrassing defeat, he did not help him top score for Pakistan in the Asia Cup and he did not help him win the Man of the Series Award after top scoring in the ODI series in South Africa.

People need to accept this for once and for all - Imam has earned his spot in the team and is on 100% merit. Whether Inzamam stays or goes, he has done enough to get a long rope. This doesn't mean that he has no room for improvement and there will be no better options in the future.

There could be, but Imam so far is doing a good job for a pathetic team that is ranked 6th. He is not competing with the best openers in the world; he is competing with his Pakistani counterparts and he has done very well compared to them.

I can guarantee that if this was a normal player, by which I mean a player with no family member related to cricket, there would be far far less scrutiny. The only benefit that I can think of is that this just shows that Imam is mentally strong. A mentally weak player would crumble under pressure; Imam doesn't.
If he can somehow start playing attacking, he can become a very good opener for pak. He has solid technique and is mentally strong. He just needs to start scoring hundreds off 85-90 balls. Easier said than done but he can't just score 5 off the first 20 balls and think he can catch up later.
 
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I think Imam is arguably the first choice opener now and Fakhar Zaman’s place is in doubt. Abid Ali needs to find way in place of Fakhar in the next game.
 
Imam will score some useful runs for his own stats but will not win many matches. Fakhar on the other hand will not be that consistent but whenever he will score , Pakistan will win, most likely.
 
Imam will score some useful runs for his own stats but will not win many matches. Fakhar on the other hand will not be that consistent but whenever he will score , Pakistan will win, most likely.

Spot on
 
I think Imam is arguably the first choice opener now and Fakhar Zaman’s place is in doubt. Abid Ali needs to find way in place of Fakhar in the next game.

Lest we should look forward to some fiery starts and the team hitting the half century mark by the 15th over.
 
Is Imam international quality? Yes he is. He can play at this level.
Is he upto the mark in ODI cricket? No, not quite.
Can he improve? I believe so. He was impressive as a T20 opener in the PSL. I would like Imam to take the same approach in ODI cricket and not put too much of a price tag on his wicket. He scored 35 ball 50s in the PSL so this shows he can play aggressively.
 
I'm seeing many Azhar Ali haters in this thread, who used to bash him for his strike rate, and are here defending Imam. :)))

Imam's strike rate is in the 70s, as a freaking OPENER, at that position it's kind of unforgivable. Average in the 30s. Count any half decent team.


That is the issue! He can defend well and survive, no doubt about that, just like Azhar Ali. And that is very useful for Tests too.


I don't think we can dump him right away, but for him to be given a long rope, he needs to show he can play some scoring shots and up his strike rate against any half decent team.

If you look at this thread's early pages, you'll find me defending Imam from his blind haters.

Now, my patience is also kind of up for him.

I saw him in the PSL, and then continue to see him in ODIs plus 1 T20I, and I see a batsman that's very similar to Azhar Ali - who likes going into his shell, and knows how to defend, but does NOT have scoring shots.
 
If the world cup was in any other country Imam strike rate would be a problem. But in England his 30 ball 20 could be the difference between us getting bowled out below 200 or score 300+.
 
This batting lineup is very very fragile, Imam and Haris serve as the glue for this lineup. Besides Babar, Imam and Haris we have no other batsman that have the mental strength to play out a tough spell of bowling. Imam may not allow us to reach scores of 300+ but since when do we even get 270+?.

Alright let's agree we want Imam out, what other options do we have with us Babar who has never opened in one-day cricket before, Abid who has played 2 ODIs or Shan who has not impressed at all. If anything we should be talking about Fakhar's inability to remain consistent, what's the point of putting him in if he will make 60 off 50 in one match out of 4?

We have to support Imam whether you like it or not, he has the capability with the batsman around him to get Pakistan to scores of 270-290, I admit our bowling has not been upto scratch but a little bit of rhythm and these scores will be enough for us.
 
This batting lineup is very very fragile, Imam and Haris serve as the glue for this lineup. Besides Babar, Imam and Haris we have no other batsman that have the mental strength to play out a tough spell of bowling. Imam may not allow us to reach scores of 300+ but since when do we even get 270+?.

Alright let's agree we want Imam out, what other options do we have with us Babar who has never opened in one-day cricket before, Abid who has played 2 ODIs or Shan who has not impressed at all. If anything we should be talking about Fakhar's inability to remain consistent, what's the point of putting him in if he will make 60 off 50 in one match out of 4?

We have to support Imam whether you like it or not, he has the capability with the batsman around him to get Pakistan to scores of 270-290, I admit our bowling has not been upto scratch but a little bit of rhythm and these scores will be enough for us.

Shhh.
You're making a mistake... you're talking sense which the Imam haters don't understand.
 
This batting lineup is very very fragile, Imam and Haris serve as the glue for this lineup. Besides Babar, Imam and Haris we have no other batsman that have the mental strength to play out a tough spell of bowling. Imam may not allow us to reach scores of 300+ but since when do we even get 270+?.

Alright let's agree we want Imam out, what other options do we have with us Babar who has never opened in one-day cricket before, Abid who has played 2 ODIs or Shan who has not impressed at all. If anything we should be talking about Fakhar's inability to remain consistent, what's the point of putting him in if he will make 60 off 50 in one match out of 4?

We have to support Imam whether you like it or not, he has the capability with the batsman around him to get Pakistan to scores of 270-290, I admit our bowling has not been upto scratch but a little bit of rhythm and these scores will be enough for us.

As soon as Imam develops the ability to get singles off good balls and the ability to play a variety of aggressive shots he can be a Pakistani great. He's only 23 and should be persisted with. Has the temperament, attitude and ability to become a very useful opener.
 
Shhh.
You're making a mistake... you're talking sense which the Imam haters don't understand.

Lol, I'm partially an Imam hater myself but I know how vital he is to our team. Since the PSL when everyone wrote him off and he was the 2nd highest Pakistani run scorer I've started to rate him.
 
Lol, I'm partially an Imam hater myself but I know how vital he is to our team. Since the PSL when everyone wrote him off and he was the 2nd highest Pakistani run scorer I've started to rate him.

I'm not even going to lie but I hated Imam as well. But then I started to look up how Imam played in u19 and stuff. The guy was the main reason pak u19 got to the final in 2014 of the WC. He was the second highest run scorer in that tournament.
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I'm not even going to lie but I hated Imam as well. But then I started to look up how Imam played in u19 and stuff. The guy was the main reason pak u19 got to the final in 2014 of the WC. He was the second highest run scorer in that tournament.
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Outscored Aiden Markram at a similar strike rate wow!
 
I'm not even going to lie but I hated Imam as well. But then I started to look up how Imam played in u19 and stuff. The guy was the main reason pak u19 got to the final in 2014 of the WC. He was the second highest run scorer in that tournament.
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He may not be gifted but he determined.In most tough situations he has scored for Pak when softies have withered
 
We need to be ruthless and get rid of guys who are not up to the mark with modern batting requirements. An intention to score at a strike rate of 100 is a bare minimum on all kinds of tracks. Having the shots to evade the inner circle is a realistic requirement. I do not see these qualities in Imam ul Haq although his record suggests we are being harsh on him. England could have rebuilt their ODI side with Alistair Cook as their opener considering how solid of a player he is, but it was clear that his limitations to not be able to score freely besides a couple of go to shots was not going to allow them to play the modern game like the other teams.

Something needs to be done now or after the wc as it may be too late. This guy will keep us in the 90s forever otherwise. Its a shame because hes an honest, hardworking lad but we simply cannot move out of this weak mentality if players like him are our ODI stars. A strike rate of 50 on a track like this an opener is criminal!
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I have the same views in regards to Abdullah Shafique if I’m being totally honest
 
Both Imam and Abdullah should be dropped from LOIs.

Both plays too slow. Imam is a lost case and I am not impressed by Abdullah although he has some very fine shots, he should stick to Test cricket where he has enough times for his poses after every four he hits.
 
Both Imam and Abdullah should be dropped from LOIs.

Both plays too slow. Imam is a lost case and I am not impressed by Abdullah although he has some very fine shots, he should stick to Test cricket where he has enough times for his poses after every four he hits.
Stick is apt, built like a stick man, no power in his game.
 
Both Imam and Abdullah should be dropped from LOIs.

Both plays too slow. Imam is a lost case and I am not impressed by Abdullah although he has some very fine shots, he should stick to Test cricket where he has enough times for his poses after every four he hits.
At this point in time, Abdullah is OK because the alternatives are worse. He has shots but in-between he suffers babars disease of thinking too much and not playing. Abdullah should become a top test player but the problem is that you only play around 7 tests a year and no one cares until you play Aus or England.
 
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I have the same views in regards to Abdullah Shafique if I’m being totally honest
He emulates Babar, for me that's the biggest red signal. Imam is arguably the biggest loss project of Pakistan cricket along with Shehzad & Asad Shafique, I just hope we don't have to discuss the same topic for Abdullah few years down the line. So far, the signs are not good at all. At best he is a lean moderated version of Asad with similar pathetic approach & intent.
 
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I have the same views in regards to Abdullah Shafique if I’m being totally honest

Good foresight once again.

I also forewarned that Imam 4 years ago during the 2019 WC.

Believe it or not some of the fans on here actually thought Imam > Fakhar after that innings in the last game of the previous WC against Bangladesh.
 
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Imam is an okay player. I'd like him to get a chance to play some T20 cricket at the domestic/franchise level to try and develop an attacking game. At the moment, he seems content to rest on his laurels.
 
abdullah is doing just fine...if Imam is intelligent he should learn from this and now see it as an injustice.

Imam can easily be in the team if he adds more shots, becomes more aggressive, and takes more risks.

The issue with him and Babar is that they care too much about the average and wanna look stylish hence they don't take that many risks.

If they drop him after this wc he should go back to domestic and practice hard...he has age on his side so he can easily come back in the squad once Fakhar retires or gets dropped from the squad when he will not be in form in the future
 
Imam is an okay player. I'd like him to get a chance to play some T20 cricket at the domestic/franchise level to try and develop an attacking game. At the moment, he seems content to rest on his laurels.
Yeah I don’t think anyone has money to waste on a guy who doesn’t want to hit the ball in the air out of fear of getting out
 
Yeah I don’t think anyone has money to waste on a guy who doesn’t want to hit the ball in the air out of fear of getting out
He has a lot of work to do to resurrect his white-ball career. He will need to get the agents on the phone, starting with maybe BPL or SLPL, Canada league, etc. Or if he can somehow get a year long county T20 stint and play a few blast games like Shan.

Based on the current state of ODI cricket, there is no chance of being a successful opener if you cannot play T20s. So he needs to put in the hard yards and develop his power game.
 
Good foresight once again.

I also forewarned that Imam 4 years ago during the 2019 WC.

Believe it or not some of the fans on here actually thought Imam > Fakhar after that innings in the last game of the previous WC against Bangladesh.

I mentioned clearly that if Pakistan continues to play with the way they were playing i.e. conserving wickets at the start, then Imam is extremely crucial. However, if Pakistan wants to adopt the England approach, then Imam has no place in the team.
 
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Watching paint dry is significantly more rewarding than watching Imam bat.
I believe Imam fans are just trolls because how is it even possible to get excited about such a boring player?

The fun thing is he isn't even good at the format he tries to play in coloured kit ie. Tests because there he gets brutally exposed whenever the pitch has the slighest something for any kind of bowler.

Complete dud.
 
Imam's batting as an ODI opener is painful.

Never judge a book by its cover and in this case I use the saying as a negative. His stats look good but when you dig deeper you realize this man is selfish and has no idea how to be a good opener.
 
Watching paint dry is significantly more rewarding than watching Imam bat.
I believe Imam fans are just trolls because how is it even possible to get excited about such a boring player?

The fun thing is he isn't even good at the format he tries to play in coloured kit ie. Tests because there he gets brutally exposed whenever the pitch has the slighest something for any kind of bowler.

Complete dud.

In test he gets exposed because test is still traditional format with one red ball meaning he sucks. Test is the best way to gauge how a player would perform in odi in the old era.

Like I can tell kohli would be pointing Level in the old era based of his test form.

But ik babar would flop in the old era due to his test games in any pitch that is not pindi.

As for white ball 2 new balls and pp1 means any idiot can nudge to a 50 average but the reality if their to see.

Only in Pakistan can we have a front line opener play who isn't even good enough to get purchased by his very own psl league lol
 
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