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"If there's one current Pak batsman who could make Ind batting line-up, it's Babar Azam": Ramiz Raja

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ramiz Raja "if there is one current Pakistani batsman who could make the Indian batting line-up it is Babar Azam" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPak?src=hash">#WIvPak</a> <a href="https://t.co/8NmpPCFyJz">pic.twitter.com/8NmpPCFyJz</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/848618374078791680">April 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Yes in ODIs.

AND Azhar Ali will easily make Indian Test xi too. He's one of the best Test openers in the world who has actually did so well away in England and Australia.

I don't think any other Test opener has done as well as him in away conditions of top opposition teams.
 
Malik hits the Indian bowlers like no tomorrow, I wonder what would be his stats in Indian domestics:warner
 
Not by a long shot. And no shame in that. Still has time to get there
 
Yes in ODIs.

AND Azhar Ali will easily make Indian Test xi too. He's one of the best Test openers in the world who has actually did so well away in England and Australia.

I don't think any other Test opener has done as well as him in away conditions of top opposition teams.

Fair shout as best test player on current form
 
Yes in ODIs.

AND Azhar Ali will easily make Indian Test xi too. He's one of the best Test openers in the world who has actually did so well away in England and Australia.

I don't think any other Test opener has done as well as him in away conditions of top opposition teams.

Azhar got 1 50+ score against England last year.
 
Azhar got 1 50+ score against England last year.

He didn't do that well in the first two games only scoring 39 runs, although he worked on that. Then in the next two test he scored 256 runs with one century in there.

So yeah he took some time to get use to the conditions but once he got settled he did well.
 
What's his obsession for India, Ramiz still hoping to commentate in the IPL?

Indians are not much better than Pak batsmen outside of their home.
 
Did Ramiz say this when someone asked him a question or did he just randomly say this during commentary? Really odd if it's the latter.
 
I haven't heard Rameez for a while but good to see that he's not lost his touch when it comes to making stupid statements!
 
Don't know much about the current Indian side. Can't say how Babar compares with the likes of Pujara.
 

Yes really there is not much difference. Pakistan batting did well in England and nearly chased a record 4th innings total against Australia in Aus. Indian batsmen are over rated because abroad they haven't done anything special, so why compare to Indians when there is Saffers, Aussies and English who have a better batting line up in all round conditions?
 
Last 9 t20 innings for Babar Azam :

38 (36)
43 (38)
27 (28)
29 (30)
1 (7)
25 (21)
27 (27)
49 (42)
36 (37)


Indian batsmen don't bat with such a sorry strike rate
 
Last 9 t20 innings for Babar Azam :

38 (36)
43 (38)
27 (28)
29 (30)
1 (7)
25 (21)
27 (27)
49 (42)
36 (37)


Indian batsmen don't bat with such a sorry strike rate

Some of the fans are really thick to understand how a young batsmen should be invested in. He isnt a veteran of 100 matches. Just look at how aussies , indians and saffers invest in their young players. Learn some patience from them. Pakistan has no batting culture and some of the fans too have no clue about batsmen development.

In the innings you mentioned, Context is important. How many of those games came in low run chases? What was the team total of both Pakistan and the opposition in all of these games?

Some of the posts in here are absolutely illogical. Go drop Babar and select tendulkar in his place. Why is it hard to accept there is no one else to replace him?
 
No. He won't though. Babar is a misbah in making. Extremely talented but tuk tuk. At least Misbah was a good slogger but he had to play tuk tuk becoz with Pakistan's sorry batting lineup collapse was always on the cards and he has to do damage control.Babar doesn't have ability to slog in itself.Good thing is he has time on his side.A lot of time. Best luck.
 
Last 9 t20 innings for Babar Azam :

38 (36)
43 (38)
27 (28)
29 (30)
1 (7)
25 (21)
27 (27)
49 (42)
36 (37)


Indian batsmen don't bat with such a sorry strike rate

Those last three innings were on a ground with 128 average, and the last knock in particular set up a match winning chase.

Go read a statistics book- understanding cricket is beyond you.
 
Those last three innings were on a ground with 128 average, and the last knock in particular set up a match winning chase.

Go read a statistics book- understanding cricket is beyond you.

Good post.

Not sure if a personal grudge against Babar or something else. Apparently he's also our "most selfish batsman" as per him. :srt
 
No. He won't though. Babar is a misbah in making. Extremely talented but tuk tuk. At least Misbah was a good slogger but he had to play tuk tuk becoz with Pakistan's sorry batting lineup collapse was always on the cards and he has to do damage control.Babar doesn't have ability to slog in itself.Good thing is he has time on his side.A lot of time. Best luck.

What was kohli's average and strike rates at babar's age?? Did u call kohli a tuk tuk in the making that time?
 
Good post.

Not sure if a personal grudge against Babar or something else. Apparently he's also our "most selfish batsman" as per him. :srt

Plus there is not much a different between an average of 50 and 19 and strike rate of 103 and 115
 
What was kohli's average and strike rates at babar's age?? Did u call kohli a tuk tuk in the making that time?

Stats are not everything. The way he bats you know he doesn't have any other gear. Fair point about age which I already addressed in original post you quoted. Kohli was known to have been complete batsman in the sense of not being just tuk tuk right from domestics.I am not talking about technically complete but having a complete game .
 
Babar is here to stay but his defenders need to realize that Babar needs to improve his SR to be a valuable member of the squad. His type of batting is ok when setting or chasing a target of 120-140, anything higher and he will be counterproductive for the team's cause
 
Those last three innings were on a ground with 128 average, and the last knock in particular set up a match winning chase.

Go read a statistics book- understanding cricket is beyond you.

What about the other six innings? I'm sure you can come up with an excuse for each of those too. Chalo get to work.
 
Babar is here to stay but his defenders need to realize that Babar needs to improve his SR to be a valuable member of the squad. His type of batting is ok when setting or chasing a target of 120-140, anything higher and he will be counterproductive for the team's cause

Or play him in ODI and Tests only.Once he starts showing signs of having shaped his stroke making more diversely in ODI you can draft him in t20s.
 
I don't think Babar has any detractors. one cannot argue with his numbers, they are outstanding. But at the same time I don't believe (a) he has all the shots in the books - PP's all time favorite kiss of death and (b) I don't see a lot of effort at improving areas of his game. He has time on his side to get better, but doesn't mean we are duty bound to wait and duly praise every inning till such time.
He has an issue with how he finishes his innings with respect to what it means for the team's cause (I would t call it selfish yet) just like Haris Sohail did in his short career. No doubt he can fix it.
 
typical pp comments. people who havent been able to find a decent bat for yonks want the finished article at age 21 and behaving as if amla devilliers kohli and smith started wiping the floor with opposition from day one!! :facepalm:
he knows he has to improve but even in t20 there is room for a player who will score 45 off 37 on average
personally im more concerned with his test development and inshaAllah that will improve
 
Both teams have different set of batsmen. Ours tend to be more aggressive, exactly opposite to that of Pak batsmen. Under Kohli, Babar will not be selected. Manish Pandey who is more talented than Babar have been warming the bench for god knows how long.
 
Yes really there is not much difference. Pakistan batting did well in England and nearly chased a record 4th innings total against Australia in Aus. Indian batsmen are over rated because abroad they haven't done anything special, so why compare to Indians when there is Saffers, Aussies and English who have a better batting line up in all round conditions?

If England is your criteria check out Bhuvneshwar kumars thread probably miles better than any Pakistani bowler then.
 
Last 9 t20 innings for Babar Azam :

38 (36)
43 (38)
27 (28)
29 (30)
1 (7)
25 (21)
27 (27)
49 (42)
36 (37)


Indian batsmen don't bat with such a sorry strike rate

Uhmmm and what was the overall score in all those matched and how many did pak win?

On the uae and WI pitches that is pretty good return in terms of runs and sr.
 
Uhmmm and what was the overall score in all those matched and how many did pak win?

On the uae and WI pitches that is pretty good return in terms of runs and sr.

This is extremely mediocre... these are runs for KK and Pakistan team.. one thing is for sure, the guy is not gonna be a better t20 player than someone like Shafiq or Ahmed Shehzad..
 
What sins have Shafiq and Shehzad committed... I guess they should be given the same short yard of the stick this guy is getting..
 
Wonder if they look at our batsmen like some of our countrymen look at their bowlers 'without the stats' .

Yeah there'a actually not much difference between our batting lineups. It's our bowling that has been winning us matches for a couple of years now.
 
Babar is here to stay but his defenders need to realize that Babar needs to improve his SR to be a valuable member of the squad. His type of batting is ok when setting or chasing a target of 120-140, anything higher and he will be counterproductive for the team's cause

You will only be taken seriously If You first want Sarfraz dropped, who is way worse.

Otherwise, no one's going to take you seriously
 
You will only be taken seriously If You first want Sarfraz dropped, who is way worse.

Otherwise, no one's going to take you seriously

I don't need a certificate of approval from Kami's die hard fans. Thanks.
 
The only way I see Babar being a part of our T20 squad is if we have Sharjeel, Shahzaib and Fakhar coming in at 1, 2 and 3 respectively and Babar at 4 to do damage control and consolidation in case the former fail to provide a brisk start.

Otherwise, despite his above average scores, he will be a liability in the squad due to his below average strike rate. Top talent this kid, but not cut out for tests or t20s at this point of time.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ramiz Raja "if there is one current Pakistani batsman who could make the Indian batting line-up it is Babar Azam" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPak?src=hash">#WIvPak</a> <a href="https://t.co/8NmpPCFyJz">pic.twitter.com/8NmpPCFyJz</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/848618374078791680">April 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Why India? Why not Aus or Eng or SA?
 
The only way I see Babar being a part of our T20 squad is if we have Sharjeel, Shahzaib and Fakhar coming in at 1, 2 and 3 respectively and Babar at 4 to do damage control and consolidation in case the former fail to provide a brisk start.

Otherwise, despite his above average scores, he will be a liability in the squad due to his below average strike rate. Top talent this kid, but not cut out for tests or t20s at this point of time.

Mostly right. Although Malik, sarfaraz, shehzad, Hafeez would need to go before he does. Babar plays like these four but has the tegnique to last out longer
 
Babar is here to stay but his defenders need to realize that Babar needs to improve his SR to be a valuable member of the squad. His type of batting is ok when setting or chasing a target of 120-140, anything higher and he will be counterproductive for the team's cause

I don't think Babar has any detractors. one cannot argue with his numbers, they are outstanding. But at the same time I don't believe (a) he has all the shots in the books - PP's all time favorite kiss of death and (b) I don't see a lot of effort at improving areas of his game. He has time on his side to get better, but doesn't mean we are duty bound to wait and duly praise every inning till such time.
He has an issue with how he finishes his innings with respect to what it means for the team's cause (I would t call it selfish yet) just like Haris Sohail did in his short career. No doubt he can fix it.

You also have to realize Pakistan mostly plays T20I on pitches where par score is 140/150, where as tournaments are played on pitches where par score id 170/180, its bad strategy and planning on our part. We want to win these bi-literal series via spinners, that does not help in tournaments. Our batters as well as spinners are under prepare for those tournaments...This is something management has not fixed in last 10 years, players cannot be blamed for that entirely...

If Babar players on good pitches his strike rate would go up (130 range from 115) and his pull and cut will improve, which will benefit him and prepare team better for tournaments... My view is in LOIs only thing that matter is winning the tournaments, these bi-literal series are meaningless, if we are not marching towards that goal, clearly in entire Misbah's era we never developed team or conditions to look at bigger picture.

Finishing and strike rotation is an area he has to work on, but again not playing on typical T20 surfaces does not help, on two pace wicket or gripping wicket it will be hard to time and play shots...Once we address that, I think his development will accelerate and frankly so are some of the others...

If we don't we will be like this, even if we put Kohli in there, after two years he will loose some of his game...If you really see development of Kohli, that got accelerated when he was playing a lot on flat tracks and small grounds in last 4/5 years. Look at score card of every bi-lateral series in India, 350 is par score, where as in UAE 270...Interestingly we knew in 2015 WC, India would not be able to chase 320+ against Strac and Johnson pace in their backyard, regardless of how good they are at home, which is separate discussion...But the point is we need to be bold and prepare high scoring grounds for bi-literal series so that we can get real match practice not just a checkmark that we won the series...Our team don't get the taste of real LOI cricket till we enter the tournament, which is too late.
 
Mostly right. Although Malik, sarfaraz, shehzad, Hafeez would need to go before he does. Babar plays like these four but has the tegnique to last out longer

Shehzad and Hafeez are an absolute no. No utility whatsoever. Malik has recently transformed himself, and Sarfraz is your best T20 wicket keeper (Kamran and Rizwan are nowhere close).

You can eventually wean off the latter two, but you need to immediately get rid of Hafeez, Shehzad and Kamran (who averaged 22 on his comeback at a mediocre SR, and is not the captain). Hafeez and Kamran are at a stage in their careers, where they should not be given more than one series on their comeback to prove their mettle if they have a more than decent domestic season.
 
Shehzad and Hafeez are an absolute no. No utility whatsoever. Malik has recently transformed himself, and Sarfraz is your best T20 wicket keeper (Kamran and Rizwan are nowhere close).

Loool. How can this Sarfraz/Malik fan base say this with a straight face?! The spreadsheets clan.

Have a single standard. Both Sarfraz and Malik are huuuge liabilities that need to kicked out wayy before Babar.

Babar is your best batsman at the moment, so he's here to say. If he's an accumulator, he's the best accumulator among the rest of limited one dimensional jokes like Malik and Sarf.
 
[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]

" If Babar players on good pitches his strike rate would go up (130 range from 115) and his pull and cut will improve, which will benefit him and prepare team better for tournaments."


That's absolutely correct.

He has the shots and the game to excel against pace on good surfaces. He can cut, pull, score off pace.

But the other duds like Sarfraz, Malik, Shehzad etc will ONLY do their pathetic accumulating as they're totally mediocre against good pace. Can't do anything on good pitches.

But the spreadsheet clan doesn't know that. Oh,...Babar is better on spreadsheets too but the hyopcrisy they still hate him and want other one dimensional bats in the team. [MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
 
India's ODI batsmen:-


Openers:-
Rohit
Dhawan
Rahul
Rahane


Middle order:-
Kohli
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Mandey
Raina


The philosophy with which India approaches LOIs, they pick the top 3 who are usually capable of hitting big scores when set (150-200) and at fast pace. I don't any current Pakistani batsman is eligible there.

Middle orders batters are expected to be sharp runners and big hitters when needed. I think Shoaib Malik probably makes a case there along with Umar Akmal (when he is scoring). Azam needs to prove his striking ability. India doesn't aim 250, they want cushion of 330-350 kind of totals with their awful bowling. Also they don't chase little totals either, they're usually up against 280-320 and have a good record at chasing them down thanks to players like UV, Raina, Dhoni who don't let SR go out of reach.
 
[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]

" If Babar players on good pitches his strike rate would go up (130 range from 115) and his pull and cut will improve, which will benefit him and prepare team better for tournaments."


That's absolutely correct.

He has the shots and the game to excel against pace on good surfaces. He can cut, pull, score off pace.

But the other duds like Sarfraz, Malik, Shehzad etc will ONLY do their pathetic accumulating as they're totally mediocre against good pace. Can't do anything on good pitches.

But the spreadsheet clan doesn't know that. Oh,...Babar is better on spreadsheets too but the hyopcrisy they still hate him and want other one dimensional bats in the team. [MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

The funny thing though is I am a huge Babar fan.
 
What about the other six innings? I'm sure you can come up with an excuse for each of those too. Chalo get to work.

Ive stated my case with a very valid argument- why dont you show some initiative and give me the run down on those other 6?

Or is letting others do the work how you treat everything in life?
 
Not only India,he can make into the batting line-up of each and every team in the world.
 
Both teams have different set of batsmen. Ours tend to be more aggressive, exactly opposite to that of Pak batsmen. Under Kohli, Babar will not be selected. Manish Pandey who is more talented than Babar have been warming the bench for god knows how long.

There is also Shreyas Iyer with his recent unbeaten double century against the visiting Australian team.
 
India doesn't aim 250, they want cushion of 330-350 kind of totals with their awful bowling.

Indian ODI bowling is very good. They bowled out the first 7 teams they played in the last WC and only failed to do so in their last game against the eventual winners Australia.
 
It's true. watching Kamran's and Shehzad's technique yesterday, i realised what hacks these guys are.

In this hypothetical scenario, Babar would still need to wait for his opportunity, and then show consistency to keep his place in the India team. I believe he has the skills to do this.
 
The best FTB factory in the world.

I would go with OZ and SA as the standard, no offence.

Yeah, sure... just remember that the entire OZ lineup other than Smith failed miserably and the entire SA lineup no exceptions was also demolished in India.
 
I don't know about that. I think Azhar would make it to our test XI comfortably. YK too.

shafiq has failed to perform in ODIs and his test average is hovering around 40. Hardly inspiring.
There's a case for Azhar Ali however, especially in Tests. Could replace Vijay as an opener.
 
If England is your criteria check out Bhuvneshwar kumars thread probably miles better than any Pakistani bowler then.

Did I only mention England? England, Aussie and SA batsmen are better than Indian batsmen for all round world conditions. Ramiz has always sucked up to the India for obvious reasons.
 
England, Aussie and SA batsmen are better than Indian batsmen for all round world conditions.

Yet, somehow India is the only country with 2 players in the top 5 (ranking based on "all round world conditions").

http://www.espncricinfo.com/rankings/content/page/211270.html

Also, somehow India manages to own every series trophy and is ranked #1 (again based on "all round world conditions") with a rating of 122 compared to #2 rating of 109. Delusion is strong today.
 
shafiq has failed to perform in ODIs and his test average is hovering around 40. Hardly inspiring.
There's a case for Azhar Ali however, especially in Tests. Could replace Vijay as an opener.

and if i'm being honest, we'll probably take one of YK/Misbah too :warner. although i like misbah more, clearly YK is the man in form
 
Loool. How can this Sarfraz/Malik fan base say this with a straight face?! The spreadsheets clan.

Have a single standard. Both Sarfraz and Malik are huuuge liabilities that need to kicked out wayy before Babar.

Babar is your best batsman at the moment, so he's here to say. If he's an accumulator, he's the best accumulator among the rest of limited one dimensional jokes like Malik and Sarf.

Malik averages 50+ at 124 over the past year

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Sarfraz averages 34 at 111 over the past year.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Babar averages 50 at 113 over the past year
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Yet our genius from Umar Amin's ballerina squad wants to drop Malik/Sarfraz while retaining Babar. He probably also wears a thick leather jacket when it looks cold outside even though the temperature reading clearly says 40 degrees Celsius.
 
An awkward sudden comment by Ramiz yesterday. I was watching the match and he suddenly brought this up.
 
It's true. watching Kamran's and Shehzad's technique yesterday, i realised what hacks these guys are.

In this hypothetical scenario, Babar would still need to wait for his opportunity, and then show consistency to keep his place in the India team. I believe he has the skills to do this.

Babar Azam might face a similar issue in odis with Kohli that pujara faced in tests - i.e. , the need to get a move on.
 
Yeah I can see that the top 7 batsmen from both the sides include 4 from the Pak or maybe I am dreaming.....

You can believe what you wish, but the batting lineup till #9 of Vijay, Rahul, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Nair, Saha, Jadeja, and Ashwin is by far the best in the world. The batting lineup is the reason India is ranked #1 with 122 points, far ahead of the #2 at 109 points.
 
You can believe what you wish, but the batting lineup till #9 of Vijay, Rahul, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Nair, Saha, Jadeja, and Ashwin is by far the best in the world. The batting lineup is the reason India is ranked #1 with 122 points, far ahead of the #2 at 109 points.

This is top notch batting lineup with Vijay of all people being weak link along with untested Nair.
 
This is top notch batting lineup with Vijay of all people being weak link along with untested Nair.

Even 6 batsmen not on the list: Rohit, Dhawan, Pandey, Iyer, Yuvraj and Raina would make a reasonably good first six for a Test team.
 
Probably, though Babar still has much developing to do. India have a much stronger batting culture. Its very impressive how their young batsmen look so polished and assured. Karun Nair when he scored that triple hundred looked as if he'd been playing Test cricket for years. You can see these kids are taught right.

Compare that to Pakistan where batsmen with strong domestic records look so technically flawed once they make their international debuts its startling. Take Fakhar Zaman, Awais Zia, Khurrum Manzoor and the list goes on. It exposes the terrible standard of grassroots coaching.

Babar Azam is an example of someone who was spotted early and had been around the NCA setup for years so has been groomed properly. The key is how do we replicate NCA coaching standards around the country ?
 
Great stats for the lad at the age of 22. I would love to see more of him. He has a lot of cricket to play and a big reputation to build.

I just hope he doesnt become like his cousins and taper off after a good start.
 
shafiq has failed to perform in ODIs and his test average is hovering around 40. Hardly inspiring.
There's a case for Azhar Ali however, especially in Tests. Could replace Vijay as an opener.

Huh? i didn't mention Shafiq at all. Azhar and YK in our test team and Babar in our ODI team.
 
You can believe what you wish, but the batting lineup till #9 of Vijay, Rahul, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Nair, Saha, Jadeja, and Ashwin is by far the best in the world. The batting lineup is the reason India is ranked #1 with 122 points, far ahead of the #2 at 109 points.

I ain't saying that its worse than pak...... maybe it is,maybe its not
When shaheens were stacking themselves on the top a year ago there lineup seemed to be a strong one as well. Only time can tell where the India has its batting; on the high note or it had been just a peak of the mountain

What matters is the consistency to prove on various occasions,especially when it matters.
Pakistans last tour of australia showed what they could do in the 1st test but then made us remember what they are in the 2nd. They lacked consistency...... lets see if India has it or not in a couple of years......
 
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