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Imad Wasim : Poor form, overconfident or simply, found out?

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Looks like he is struggling to dominate same team he looked unplayable against. Whatever happened to his bowling in space of few months?
 
More swagger than performance. His aggressive behaviour would suit him if he can actually get some runs and wickets to back it up with
 
Many people have low standards and were rating him highly.

Like I've been saying, he's a mediocre cricketer. Why? Because he isn't good at neither batting nor bowling.

Especially is a dud with the bat . They realized this imposter cannot hit so probably that's why sent him up the order.

But then he failed there. And the other accumulators train also shifted down the order, creating even more issues for the team. :)))
 
Rana said:
More swagger than performance. His aggressive behaviour would suit him if he can actually get some runs and wickets to back it up with
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true. even his fielding was not up to the par. His dropped catch cost us the game last night.
 
The ONLY thing he had going for him was that his darting sometimes work on slow and low pitches.

West Indies pitches are ideal for his darting but he's failing there. Maybe because WI players now know his bowling and he's found out.

And don't talk about him playing on good surfaces like in ICC tournaments. He may single handedly lose matches with such bowling on batting tracks against decent batsmen.
 
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Objectively he has not had enough games to render a verdict
 
I think he is just in poor form. Every player goes through this. Even Sarfraz is struggling at the moment. I'd much rather have Imad over Nawaz.
 
what poor form? are you living in an alternate reality?
Since his debut, Imad has been the most economical t20 bowler from full member nations (tied with badree)

stats

In the last World T20 he was our best bowler

stats

He is used as a bowler, his batting is bonus, and he's not expected to score many runs, he was tried in the last match and failed, it was not a good decision but let's not go overboard, he's still our best T20 bowler arguably.
 
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never a bowler

MRSN said:
Looks like he is struggling to dominate same team he looked unplayable against. Whatever happened to his bowling in space of few months?
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nawaz is alwayz a better option than him alwayz..... a proper spinner who can yurn bowl and his batting is also better...... defrnsive like imaad but can hit few blows.....
imaad can only be in the test team and only as a batsman which surely he cant... just cant be in the test team as a bowler who literally cant turn it even an inch..... maybe should go back to domestic and come back as a proper test batsman dat is only thing which is there for him and looks unlikely dats gonna happen:uakmal
 
He never really was in an unbeatable period of form except good games here and there. Noone knows his batting position yet and he is hit and miss in bowling.
 
Imad should work on his batting and become a batting all rounder His bowling is one dimensional slow left arm darts that is only good on low slow tracks.
 
[MENTION=143127]Citizen4[/MENTION] you can't defend him based on his economy rate alone. That's selective stats.

Besides, what matters the most is he occupies an allrounder slot. He's a dud with the bat for modern LOIs, just adds to line of accumulators.

Only his selected ER can't save him.
 
This is what happens when players start thinking they are bigger than they really are. We saw it with Shehzad, U Akmal and now Imad.
 
I think he was overhyped a lot. Few fans even wanted him as a captain of LOI teams. Point is you should never judge a player based on his performances against current west indian team. Even rohit sharma have bradman like records against west indies. Fans are doing the same with shadab too. Let them play 2 years of intl cricket rather than putting weight of too many expectations on them.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I think he was overhyped a lot. Few fans even wanted him as a captain of LOI teams. Point is you should never judge a player based on his performances against current west indian team. Even rohit sharma have bradman like records against west indies. Fans are doing the same with shadab too. Let them play 2 years of intl cricket rather than putting weight of too many expectations on them.
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Some people judge people based on stats. Some look at their game.

Imad was never good enough from the start and I've been saying it for a long time. Many people called him out as a darter who is going to get owned by most good teams on decent surfaces.

He did good in first few matches, as nobody knew how he bowls. Was found out eventually.

And his batting is still non existent. Not an allrounder.
 
Syed1 said:
This is what happens when players start thinking they are bigger than they really are. We saw it with Shehzad, U Akmal and now Imad.
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I don't think he overrates himself, the fans do. He is still very young to international cricket. The problem for all these young guys is that the main part of the batting innings for Pakistan in t20 and odi's is given to guys like hafeez, Malik, Akmal, Ahmed shehzad to fail in.
It's a tragedy that they guys are being asked to come and bash in the last 5 or 10 overs, while the senior cowards above them are playing at barely 4 runs an over.
 
WI batsmen have learned their lessons from UAE series, they've cut out the across the line shots and played him straighter.
 
Just a bad patch of form. Us fans need to relax. I seriously don't understand this writing off of players after every single series. This is not how players develop.
 
Hawkeye said:
Some people judge people based on stats. Some look at their game.

Imad was never good enough from the start and I've been saying it for a long time. Many people called him out as a darter who is going to get owned by most good teams on decent surfaces.

He did good in first few matches, as nobody knew how he bowls. Was found out eventually.

And his batting is still non existent. Not an allrounder.
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agreed. He is a bits and pieces cricket. Someone who can give you 10-20 runs and bowls relatively quiet 4 overs.. he was never as good as he was made out to be
 
Simply not good enough.

Play him down the line and he's as useless as a blunt pencil.
 
Him playing in international team shows that talent level in Pakistan is quite low
 
Not easy being asked to open the bowling and bowl predominantly in the power play for a spinner.

He's doing ok.

Batting needs to pick up but that will come.
 
Saj said:
Not easy being asked to open the bowling and bowl predominantly in the power play for a spinner.

He's doing ok.

Batting needs to pick up but that will come.
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^^This. I think most of the people have missed the stat that was shown last night during match:
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He needs to step up with the batting though...hopefully he regains his form in the Pakistan Cup.
 
Saj said:
Not easy being asked to open the bowling and bowl predominantly in the power play for a spinner.

He's doing ok.

Batting needs to pick up but that will come.
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SIR he is not turning the ball even an inch..... all those are sliders..... he is left arm orthodox ,u gonna change dat.... left armer straight as straight as an arrow
 
We shouldn't be impatient with him in T20I cricket, as he can keep it tight. Currently, he has done ok, not bad. But, my main worry is his bowling in ODI cricket, where he will find it tough with time, as keeping it tight won't be enough.
 
Uman Naq said:
SIR he is not turning the ball even an inch..... all those are sliders..... he is left arm orthodox ,u gonna change dat.... left armer straight as straight as an arrow
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I don't care if he turns all of his deliveries or none.

The most important thing is this - 4-25-1 including the big wicket of Lewis.
 
Hawkeye said:
[MENTION=143127]Citizen4[/MENTION] you can't defend him based on his economy rate alone. That's selective stats.

Besides, what matters the most is he occupies an allrounder slot. He's a dud with the bat for modern LOIs, just adds to line of accumulators.

Only his selected ER can't save him.
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according to Saqlain Mushtaq, economy rate is the most important thing for a bowler in t20s, a lot of people believe this, and Imad has the best eco rate going around. He's being used as a bowler, yes he has limited skil set, but he make sure he uses his skills, the decision to send him at 3 in the 3rd match was made by Mickey, and it failed. But Imad is still our best t20 bowler of the last couple of years. He's not hogging an allrounder's spot.
 
arch93 said:
^^This. I think most of the people have missed the stat that was shown last night during match:
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He needs to step up with the batting though...hopefully he regains his form in the Pakistan Cup.
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best bowler in the powerplay, that's why management and captain is sticking with him. Don't know why's the hate for his bowling when he's been good with the ball.
 
Muhammad10 said:
Actually saw him turn one today. Probably shocked the batsman.
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seen him turn in the Aus and Eng series as well. also took a couple of wickets on those deliveries. His action need some work according to Saqi bhai, he can become a lot better, he still has time, he can learn
 
Citizen4 said:
seen him turn in the Aus and Eng series as well. also took a couple of wickets on those deliveries. His action need some work according to Saqi bhai, he can become a lot better, he still has time, he can learn
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Learning to regularly turn the ball would also make him a pretty good option for ODIs. He definitely needs to work hard on it, though.
 
Still a very good utility T20 cricketer. He doesn't turn it much, neither gets lot of wickets, but still he is difficult to slog, which is the KPI of T20. A decent fielder & a very good instant hitter (doesn't need time to go for big hits).

I think, he is not good enough for ODI or Test (in other words, in longer matches, where one needs batting technique & bowling skills to survive longer time or get set batsmen out), but definitely should be an automatic choice in T20.
 
He always will be an effective option in T20 cricket,although in ODIs he has to be more efficient in bowling.
 
Hawkeye said:
Many people have low standards and were rating him highly.

Like I've been saying, he's a mediocre cricketer. Why? Because he isn't good at neither batting nor bowling.

Especially is a dud with the bat . They realized this imposter cannot hit so probably that's why sent him up the order.

But then he failed there. And the other accumulators train also shifted down the order, creating even more issues for the team. :)))
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exactly my words.. i always knew he is nothing cricketer and people here wanted him to be the captain.. He is bowling is nothing special and batting is weak as well.
 
Citizen4 said:
according to Saqlain Mushtaq, economy rate is the most important thing for a bowler in t20s, a lot of people believe this, and Imad has the best eco rate going around. He's being used as a bowler, yes he has limited skil set, but he make sure he uses his skills, the decision to send him at 3 in the 3rd match was made by Mickey, and it failed. But Imad is still our best t20 bowler of the last couple of years. He's not hogging an allrounder's spot.
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Accordi g to saqlain sohail tanvir is best all rounder in the world... How can we trust his words now??
 
hes a good option at the top of the order in T20's long term he is no BOOM BOOM with the ball, and he wont be winning us any matches single handedly.
 
I said even when he was getting too many wickets that he would be found out by batsmen who had more brains than the West Indians. Looks like even they have figured him out eventually.

A spinner who can basically just deliver arm balls isn't really a spinner at all. Imagine what genuine international class batsmen will do to him once they've had a good look at him.
 
Square Drive said:
He's doing OK.
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this

we are too much into absolutes, a player is either great or awful.

Imad is the epitome of the word 'meh'

He is doing a job. Now that doesnt mean we shouldn't want him to improve, i agree with others that teams eventually play him as a slow seamer and hence has little issue, but this is where we have to ask what alternatives we have ?

Till they become apparent I say we stick with Imad as his current performance is okay.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
this

we are too much into absolutes, a player is either great or awful.

Imad is the epitome of the word 'meh'

He is doing a job. Now that doesnt mean we shouldn't want him to improve, i agree with others that teams eventually play him as a slow seamer and hence has little issue, but this is where we have to ask what alternatives we have ?

Till they become apparent I say we stick with Imad as his current performance is okay.
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Imad was playing in the side because apparently he has good batting ability and can whack a few, however, he has failed to do so on multiple opportunities that have been presented. Imad is not even a 'meh' bowler to hold a spot in the side on his bowling alone. He is doing an ok job with the bowl but needs to produce with the bat or get dropped for another 'alrounder'.

If he was aiming to be just a bowler that bats a bit then we have plenty of better options than him.
 
Syed1 said:
Imad was playing in the side because apparently he has good batting ability and can whack a few, however, he has failed to do so on multiple opportunities that have been presented. Imad is not even a 'meh' bowler to hold a spot in the side on his bowling alone. He is doing an ok job with the bowl but needs to produce with the bat or get dropped for another 'alrounder'.

If he was aiming to be just a bowler that bats a bit then we have plenty of better options than him.
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I get that but we have to come terms to the fact there is no Abdul Razzaq to save us. Batting in the lower order is always difficult and I think we should always give players a long rope there, especially when Imad has shown his ability at times such as against Eng.

I'm hopefully he will Improve as we have Shadab to keep on his toes now. Since he has been in the side Imad really hasnt had a spinner to compete with.
 
i always think that a GOOD young cricketer's development will be like a boxing match. Imad won round 1 in UAE, WI made the adjustment in round 2, now its up to Imad to make the adjustments and come back stronger. he has the ability to turn it and i saw it in 4-5 deliveries in his spell. he just needs to mix it up better.

in terms of his batting, he needs to give himself a chance. take 4-5 deliveries to find the middle of the bat and then TIME his lofted shots, he isnt pollard that he can just muscle the ball from the outside half of the bat. i agree with Pete Rose, that proper batting slots are given to TTFs instead of ppl that are the future.
 
sarmad1983 said:
i always think that a GOOD young cricketer's development will be like a boxing match. Imad won round 1 in UAE, WI made the adjustment in round 2, now its up to Imad to make the adjustments and come back stronger. he has the ability to turn it and i saw it in 4-5 deliveries in his spell. he just needs to mix it up better.

in terms of his batting, he needs to give himself a chance. take 4-5 deliveries to find the middle of the bat and then TIME his lofted shots, he isnt pollard that he can just muscle the ball from the outside half of the bat. i agree with Pete Rose, that proper batting slots are given to TTFs instead of ppl that are the future.
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His whole batting technique is wrong. There is no full arm strength engagement most of the time. Its a bit club like.

He has scope to be a good bowler but he is a tailender.
 
sarmad1983 said:
i always think that a GOOD young cricketer's development will be like a boxing match. Imad won round 1 in UAE, WI made the adjustment in round 2, now its up to Imad to make the adjustments and come back stronger. he has the ability to turn it and i saw it in 4-5 deliveries in his spell. he just needs to mix it up better.

in terms of his batting, he needs to give himself a chance. take 4-5 deliveries to find the middle of the bat and then TIME his lofted shots, he isnt pollard that he can just muscle the ball from the outside half of the bat. i agree with Pete Rose, that proper batting slots are given to TTFs instead of ppl that are the future.
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His turn is almost non-existent which means the batsman can still mostly play him as an arm bowler. I don't know which games you are watching.
 
The emergence of Shadab can eventually lead to Imad being dropped from the ODI First XI.

However, he's still a very good T20 player.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I get that but we have to come terms to the fact there is no Abdul Razzaq to save us. Batting in the lower order is always difficult and I think we should always give players a long rope there, especially when Imad has shown his ability at times such as against Eng.

I'm hopefully he will Improve as we have Shadab to keep on his toes now. Since he has been in the side Imad really hasnt had a spinner to compete with.
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This.

Batting at 7/8, you don't get a lot of opportunities to bat. So there should be time given for one to establish themselves.

The same attitude was shown towards a couple of poor performances by Hammad Azam. The guy was one of the best hitters in the country, but knives were out soon and he got dropped.

Yes, Shadab is a good all-rounder, but the last thing we want is for him to turn into Afridi. We need a pure leg-spinner so Shady should stay at 8 max.

I'd much rather turn Imad into a slogging hack than Shadab.

:imad
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
His turn is almost non-existent which means the batsman can still mostly play him as an arm bowler. I don't know which games you are watching.
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Not really. if one is going on with the angle, and the one that straightens (like the 4-5 balls he bowled after PP like i mentioned) are used effectively, he doesnt need much else. his length isnt easy to get after. theres a reason he's ranked 2nd in the format everybody
 
Just yesterday I noticed that Imad actually is the top ranked T20 bowler.
 
MMHS said:
Just yesterday I noticed that Imad actually is the top ranked T20 bowler.
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number 2, only behind Imran Tahir. Economy rate matters a lot in t20s, and some people fail to see it's important
 
Syed1 said:
Imad was playing in the side because apparently he has good batting ability and can whack a few, however, he has failed to do so on multiple opportunities that have been presented. Imad is not even a 'meh' bowler to hold a spot in the side on his bowling alone. He is doing an ok job with the bowl but needs to produce with the bat or get dropped for another 'alrounder'.

If he was aiming to be just a bowler that bats a bit then we have plenty of better options than him.
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All those who are of this school of thought, just know that out of the last 10 T20I games he has played, Imad has not even gotten a chance to bat in 7 of them.

How exactly is he failing with the bat, then?
 
Square Drive said:
All those who are of this school of thought, just know that out of the last 10 T20I games he has played, Imad has not even gotten a chance to bat in 7 of them.

How exactly is he failing with the bat, then?
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Because when he has had a chance to bat he has done this:

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Whattay batsman :14:
 
Rate him above the overrated and less impactful Afridi in the Twenty20 format. His bowling alone has greater value than Afridi's bits and pieces contributions.
 
Rayyman said:
This.

Batting at 7/8, you don't get a lot of opportunities to bat. So there should be time given for one to establish themselves.

The same attitude was shown towards a couple of poor performances by Hammad Azam. The guy was one of the best hitters in the country, but knives were out soon and he got dropped.

Yes, Shadab is a good all-rounder, but the last thing we want is for him to turn into Afridi. We need a pure leg-spinner so Shady should stay at 8 max.

I'd much rather turn Imad into a slogging hack than Shadab.

:imad
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But Shadab Khan is in the squad as an all-rounder...

If you've seen Shadab bat in the U-19 WC you'd know he has more potential in his batting than his bowling. He should be batting at 6.

Imad can only play cross batted shots to deliveries in his zone-(which is very limited) and has no capability to play anything out of his zone.

His bowling, the less said the better; just a T20 specialist.
 
Although his batting is not dependable,still he gives a much needed control on run rate from one end and thus creates pressure on batsmen who play rash shots and get out cheaply.
 
Syed1 said:
Because when he has had a chance to bat he has done this:

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Whattay batsman :14:
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...Which was over a year ago.

Great, let's criticize him continuously for being a flop batsman, because he did indeed flop around 12 months ago. Obviously he has barely gotten a chance since then, but still, let's just bash him because that's what we're here to do.
 
Now ranked 2nd in the ICC T20I bowling rankings.

Pretty good considering he bowls a lot in the power play.
 
I've not understood it, but historically he has performed which is what those ratings are based on. I think the worry that some of the fan base is expressing is that he seems not to be producing as good results as he did earlier in his career.

I've not watched him closely enough to know, but did see a comment of saqlain which said that he has changed his bowling, that he used to get more drift and turn, so needs some direction as to what has changed and what he is doing wrong to return to his previous form.

he strikes me as a risk - in terms of character - to his own career. reminds me of how afridi did really well after some sessions with Abdul qadir, allegedly, and then consumed by his ego and success, dispensed with his training and consequently sharply declined in his bowling.
 
This golden boy escapes all the criticism somehow. :)))

Make no mistake - he's equally responsible for our LOI losses! He's an allrounder and an absolute DUD with the bat.

His bowling is also found out so his honeymoon period of early success is over.
 
Hawkeye said:
This golden boy escapes all the criticism somehow. :)))

Make no mistake - he's equally responsible for our LOI losses! He's an allrounder and an absolute DUD with the bat.

His bowling is also found out so his honeymoon period of early success is over.
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Let him fly under the radar. :imad
 
I dont rate this guy. Like somebody said he is our version of Mike Yardy. He quickly got found out in International cricket and so has Imad. He should be a 20/20 specialist & nothing else.
 
It's been 2 years now, but I can't make up my mind on him. He is good or rubbish, I really don't know.
 
1/35 from 10 today

regardless of opposition that's a terrific performance given 375 runs were scored by Balochistan


I am still not sold on him internationally, hope he adds some variation because if he can remain miserly in terms of eocnomy he will be an asset going forward.
 
As always, spot on about this useless darter IMAD WASIM.

Please, KICK HIM OUT OF THE TEAM.

He's not a bowler, not a batsman, and will only RUIN Pakistan team further.
 
Terrible hair, terrible demeanor and too one-dimensional to trouble the Indians. Will need to fire with the bat.
 
Not convinced by him. At first he was potent as he bowled wicket-to-wicket and batsmen were getting LBWed or bowled with across the line shots.

But the more teams face him they'll see he doesn't obtain much turn and can be played like a medium pacer.
 
pathetic bowler. The genius who approved his selection against this Indian side should be ashamed.
 
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