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This should be our major concern.
we can't have both in the team at this day and and age of cricket.

20 years ago it would have been perfect.

If we lose fakhar early it will be a torture watching a Babar - imam partnership

After 30 overs we will be 150/1

We will end up short after 50 overs
 
Yes I hope they don't keep putting up 350 run scores in the world cup! Like can someone please tell these guys they are scoring too many runs for Pakistani fans to bear! I swear another 350 run score or a 100 from one of these guys and we should start a petition to bring back Shezzy boy and Nasir Jamshed!
 
QalandarFan said:
Yes I hope they don't keep putting up 350 run scores in the world cup! Like can someone please tell these guys they are scoring too many runs for Pakistani fans to bear! I swear another 350 run score or a 100 from one of these guys and we should start a petition to bring back Shezzy boy and Nasir Jamshed!
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Nailed it
Imam score 151 on 131 balls
Babar score 115 on 113 and 51 and 52
But still Pak fans want them to score 250 of 100 balls
They deserve Shahzad, Butt, khuram
 
emranabbas said:
This should be our major concern.
we can't have both in the team at this day and and age of cricket.

20 years ago it would have been perfect.

If we lose fakhar early it will be a torture watching a Babar - imam partnership

After 30 overs we will be 150/1

We will end up short after 50 overs
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We actually did loose Fakhar very early in the third ODI. Babar came and attacked but we also lost him quickly falling for 15 from 10.
Even after loosing these two, Imam and Harris Sohail (slower than Babar) put on a strong partnership that put us in a good position.
We eventually scored just 359.

I am still not 100% convinced from Imam ul Haq and especially his ability to play genuine pace but he deserves his place.
As far as Babar is concerned, he is one of the best batsman in the world, and we are very lucky to have him coming in at 3. So nice to see how he is batting better than his counterpart, Joe Root, a very big name in the game.
 
Ok tell me any other two players you want to replace them with and guarantee me we will beat England
 
Add in Shoaib Malik and Hafeez also, these backed players are sucking Pakistan team and their fans' blood for last 2 years.

And they are sendsing back the only player who can help like Abid Ali. For these players of some favore campo so many Pakistan iplayers have been thrown under the bus. Sharjeel Khan is missed terribly how PCB has treated the only opener who could've strengthened Pakistan team.

CS Inzamam for last 3 years has done whatever he can to block domestic batsman from getting in the side by sending in reserves and third option for senior batting, whereas keeping any reserve for opener out to secure his nephews place in the side. Same with Babar, from the akmal family.

I'm sure as faheem and Abid are sent back there will be cries and outrage for leaving the team to Maliks and Imams to screw the team.
 
Gullycricket said:
Ok tell me any other two players you want to replace them with and guarantee me we will beat England
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The best excuse by supporters of these monsters from the Inzi camp.

These is no replacement as Inzamam did'nt allow any other option, still Fakhar and Abid with one inning showed how this pathetic gorup has been exploiting the team.

If Saud Shakeel or Umair yousuf was not only given a chance but nurtured Pakistan would not be in this situation.
 
LOL sometimes I wonder if you guys are paid to come up with these posts. An absolute joke this is, really
 
Cheetah99 said:
LOL sometimes I wonder if you guys are paid to come up with these posts. An absolute joke this is, really
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You have;nt watched Umar Akmal support threads or appreciating selfish Azam, Shoaib Malik posts. I would do neither even someone pays me to do that.
 
I'm not surprised who made this thread. Still remember some clueless posts from a few years back.


Anyway, the lower order with Imad Wasim, Malik & Sarfraz need to become functional for us to succeed. They suck the momentum out. Can't bat against pace either.
 
Pakistan is in its golden stage of odi batting with its top 3 averaging more than 50 and in this series striking at over 100.
I never ever thought this day would come in Pakistan.
It’s a pity we can’t see that
 
Let's reverse the situation . .
Babar and Imam have poor world cups . .

Good luck trying to put even 270 on the board . .
 
Jinx thread? lol These are two of the important components of Pak line up. May not be the guy who will help rack up 500 runs lol. But on a slightly bowler friendly pitches where your middle and lower order can be brutally exposed you need these guys.
 
England series has ruined the thought process of some of the fans. 350 is not the norm as we all likely to convince ourselves. Most team will lose chasing 350 in a world cup. Can't do much. Most teams won't t go in to bat first with the thought of setting 350. Infact England is the only team that will think of these things.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
England series has ruined the thought process of some of the fans. 350 is not the norm as we all likely to convince ourselves. Most team will lose chasing 350 in a world cup. Can't do much. Most teams won't t go in to bat first with the thought of setting 350. Infact England is the only team that will think of these things.
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pretty much that .To be brutally honest i think india have best bowling attack and expecting them to roll many side with one sided match .i am not talking about mid table but the likes of NZ,SA and aus
 
You want to discard your 2 best batsmen from your team.
This is just pakistani things.
 
QalandarFan said:
Yes I hope they don't keep putting up 350 run scores in the world cup! Like can someone please tell these guys they are scoring too many runs for Pakistani fans to bear! I swear another 350 run score or a 100 from one of these guys and we should start a petition to bring back Shezzy boy and Nasir Jamshed!
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And those 350+ runs have fell short all the time...

We won't reach finals by putting 350+ and losing the game

Had England batted first they would have put up 400+

Nobody is asking for Nasir jamshed or shehzad

This current combo is completely wrong

350+ plus in a losing cause does not benefit the team.

Imam
Fakhar
Abid
Harris/Babar

Or

Fakhar
Abid
Babar
Harris

Should be the combination
 
These pitched were roads run a ball WAS and is not enough on these pitches
If it was enough we should have one at least 1 of the games
 
Afhan Ali said:
Nailed it
Imam score 151 on 131 balls
Babar score 115 on 113 and 51 and 52
But still Pak fans want them to score 250 of 100 balls
They deserve Shahzad, Butt, khuram
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These pitched were roads run a ball WAS and is not enough on these pitches
If it was enough we should have one at least 1 of the games
 
Yes, Fakhar Zaman is hit & miss. Yes, Imam ul haq is a slow-starter by modern standards. Yes, Babar Azam bats a bit selfishly at times.

But Imam's watchfulness, Zaman's destructiveness, Babar's consistency helps the team cause in the end. There are no world beaters lying-in-wait behind these 3.

"Some people don't know a good thing when it's staring them right in the face." - Pain & Gain
 
We don’t have the talent to field a full 11 of strikers. I would rather have guys who score big and score at 90-100 range which both are capable of.
 
We should be thankful that we have a solid top-order, without them we would be getting out for 220-250 as our middle-order tends to lose wickets at the wrong time regularly i.e (Haris, Sarfraz, Shoaib Malik, Asif Ali, Hafeez)
 
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Zhasan said:
Yeah that Eng chased the massive 359 runs in 44 overs with only 4 wickets down was highly face saving...
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You would have been bowled out for 200 odd and it would have been chased in 20 overs.

Have some shame.
 
Ahah the only 2 reliable batters in the team will cost us :))).


Nothing on specialist captain and 2 seniors costing us ? I don't trust them against top quality fast bowling.
 
I don't think our top 3 is flawless but this whole team is beyond saving. They can't take their catches, can't bowl yorkers, can't ball economically and worst of all, they are dumb as the door knobs!!!
 
We need a Haris Sohail in the top 3 to keep the flow.

May be Babar drops to no.4?
 
Abid after just one hundred and two games is no proven match winner that he’s in the dream lineup of everyone.
 
Agree replace Imam and Babar with Ahmed Shezad and Umar Akmal - and telll you what, while we are it replace Fakhar also as he clearly only gets runs on flat tracks and get in Kamran Akmal as opener.

There you have it, any team will be having sleepless nights having to bowl at this batting line up:

Ahmed Shezad
Kamran Akmal
Umar Akmal
Mohammed Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Imad Wasim
Faheem Ashraf
 
Majid Khan said:
Agree replace Imam and Babar with Ahmed Shezad and Umar Akmal - and telll you what, while we are it replace Fakhar also as he clearly only gets runs on flat tracks and get in Kamran Akmal as opener.

There you have it, any team will be having sleepless nights having to bowl at this batting line up:

Ahmed Shezad
Kamran Akmal
Umar Akmal
Mohammed Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Imad Wasim
Faheem Ashraf
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Replace Shehzad with Fakhar and it's a better line up capable of making big scores on flat pitches.
 
gazza619 said:
We need a Haris Sohail in the top 3 to keep the flow.

May be Babar drops to no.4?
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If we can drop Babar at 4 it might work for us

We need someone who can keep the runs flowing I think Harris isn't the one

Could try Asif though with Harris coming at 5 could to steady the middle

Imam
Fakhar
Asif
Babar
Harris
 
Babar is at least consistent. He knows his role. He is an anchor. Mr. 'Automatic Selection' on the other hand, is an over confident cocky loser who's in the side only because of his uncle and is the most selfish and self centered batsman I have ever seen.
 
SecularPakistanii said:
Babar is at least consistent. He knows his role. He is an anchor. Mr. 'Automatic Selection' on the other hand, is an over confident cocky loserwho's in the side only because of his uncle and is the most selfish and self centered batsman I have ever seen.
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Automatic selection is automatic selection for a reason.

He is your best batsman and is needed for this brittle line up.

Please educate yourself on Cricket.
 
Chokli said:
Automatic selection is automatic selection for a reason.

He is your best batsman and is needed for this brittle line up.

Please educate yourself on Cricket.
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Thanks for your advice. I believe I have much more education on cricket than you indeed. It's you who needs to wake up to the modern ODI cricket being played around the world.

But obviously, Pakistani selectors and people like you believe guys like Imam are our savior...then hey at least we know why we are ranked so low in the ODI rankings :)
 
By contrary - I think this combo will serve us very well moving forwards...
 
SecularPakistanii said:
Thanks for your advice. I believe I have much more education on cricket than you indeed. It's you who needs to wake up to the modern ODI cricket being played around the world.

But obviously, Pakistani selectors and people like you believe guys like Imam are our savior...then hey at least we know why we are ranked so low in the ODI rankings :)
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Clearly you don't if you did you'd know this side would be bundled out for 200 or less on these flat pitches if it wasn't for Imam.

Please go and revisit the 3rd ODI and tell me what the highest score after Imam's brilliant 151 was.

You need to have roles in modern one day outfit and Imam has a certain role which he is playing brilliantly.

Too bad you don't even exhibit even an iota of cricketing intelligence.
 
Pakistan do lack quality batting match winners , but it will take time to develop them . These two need to keep improving there strike rates . If they work hard they can take there game to the next level.
 
Chokli said:
Automatic selection is automatic selection for a reason.

He is your best batsman and is needed for this brittle line up.

Please educate yourself on Cricket.
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Chokli said:
Clearly you don't if you did you'd know this side would be bundled out for 200 or less on these flat pitches if it wasn't for Imam.

Please go and revisit the 3rd ODI and tell me what the highest score after Imam's brilliant 151 was.

You need to have roles in modern one day outfit and Imam has a certain role which he is playing brilliantly.

Too bad you don't even exhibit even an iota of cricketing intelligence.
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Yes and you go please visit his beautiful innings in the last one day International. 3 of 12 deliveries before he got hurt and then he came out too bat so heroically and scored 6 of 20... single-handedly killing all the momentum we had going into the last over. he killed the momentum in the beginning of the endings and in the end of the innings.

Well your cricketing knowledge is so great why don't you look at his innings from the third ODI as well at a beautiful strike rate... 35 runs from 44 balls on a pitch where 358 was chased with more than 5 overs remaining.

as an opener on these flat pictures and small grounds you should be attacking the bowlers.

We already have an anchor. That is Babar Azam. We don't need 2 anchors in the top 3.
 
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Sorry to say, I don't think Pakistan set up has better players than I&B at the moment (Sharjeel could've been better than Imam, alas...).

They in no way are match winners, but they will atleast give you some respectable totals.

A million times better than Azhar, Shahzad, Shan, Rizwan, Sahibzada, etc.

One more thing I would like to add is, the pitches won't be same for the world cup.

When 350 is a par score in this series, at the world cup it would be 310, I reckon.

In short, " Beggars can't be choosers. "
 
Chokli said:
Automatic selection is automatic selection for a reason.

He is your best batsman and is needed for this brittle line up.

Please educate yourself on Cricket.
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Chokli said:
Clearly you don't if you did you'd know this side would be bundled out for 200 or less on these flat pitches if it wasn't for Imam.

Please go and revisit the 3rd ODI and tell me what the highest score after Imam's brilliant 151 was.

You need to have roles in modern one day outfit and Imam has a certain role which he is playing brilliantly.

Too bad you don't even exhibit even an iota of cricketing intelligence.
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Kohli said:
Sorry to say, I don't think Pakistan set up has better players than I&B at the moment (Sharjeel could've been better than Imam, alas...).

They in no way are match winners, but they will atleast give you some respectable totals.

A million times better than Azhar, Shahzad, Shan, Rizwan, Sahibzada, etc.

One more thing I would like to add is, the pitches won't be same for the world cup.

When 350 is a par score in this series, at the world cup it would be 310, I reckon.

In short, " Beggars can't be choosers. "
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Yes the pitches won't be the same in the world cup and that means Imam's strike strike rate will be even lower...
 
SecularPakistanii said:
Yes the pitches won't be the same in the world cup and that means Imam's strike strike rate will be even lower...
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Which means we won't be seeing 350 scores and the rest of the batsmen won't have it easy either.... Which means Imam's runs will be even more useful.

:facepalm:
 
I predicted after his 151 then he will play a selfish innings in the next game. He got hurt at 3 off 12.

You're here and I'm here too. Let's see how many matches Imam wins for Pakistan.
 
SecularPakistanii said:
Yes and you go please visit his beautiful innings in the last one day International. 3 of 12 deliveries before he got hurt and then he came out too bat so heroically and scored 6 of 20... single-handedly killing all the momentum we had going into the last over. he killed the momentum in the beginning of the endings and in the end of the innings.

Well your cricketing knowledge is so great why don't you look at his innings from the third ODI as well at a beautiful strike rate... 35 runs from 44 balls on a pitch where 358 was chased with more than 5 overs remaining.

as an opener on these flat pictures and small grounds you should be attacking the bowlers.

We already have an anchor. That is Babar Azam. We don't need 2 anchors in the top 3.
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That was poor on the team managements part to send him out to bat after receiving a blow to his elbow earlier in the innings.

There must be something seriously wrong with you if you were expecting much from Imam after that blow.

Also I like how in order to attack Imam and downplay his contributions to the team you have to go and find an innings where he didn't even bat the whole match and nearly received a World Cup ending injury.

You don't rate Imam when he is fully healthy yet were expecting sixes from an injured Imam? :))

35 off 44 runs was in the 2nd ODI where we were chasing 373, nobody knew Pakistan would even get close we were all expecting them to be bundled out. With Imam's solidarity at the top it ensured Pakistan would not be 40-2, 40-3 in the first 10 overs chasing such a huge score. He could have played slightly quicker but he's only played a handful matches against the top sides and will only improve at this rate.

Imam is a much better anchor than Babar "I don't need powerhitting" Azam.
 
Imam is better than Azam? 😂😂😂 Clearly you have zero knowledge of cricket. That statement sums it all up. Don't even want to argue with such a person any more 😂😂😂😂

Thank you for making this so easy. Case closed. Please move on.

I cant wait until you make another thread saying Afridi is better than Tendulkar or Imam is better than Kohli.
 
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SecularPakistanii said:
Imam is better than Azam? ������ Clearly you have zero knowledge of cricket. That statement sums it all up. Don't even want to argue with such a person any more ��������

Thank you for making this so easy.
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Cricket isn't played on Cricinfo commentary mate.

You need to actually watch the games.
 
emranabbas said:
These pitched were roads run a ball WAS and is not enough on these pitches
If it was enough we should have one at least 1 of the games
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Imam 150 was run a ball???

Babar hundred was run a ball but again he is our no 3 and this is his rule to play through the overs like Root, Williamson etc.

We lose 2 matches because of poor fielding and poor bowling
 
emranabbas said:
And those 350+ runs have fell short all the time...

We won't reach finals by putting 350+ and losing the game

Had England batted first they would have put up 400+

Nobody is asking for Nasir jamshed or shehzad

This current combo is completely wrong

350+ plus in a losing cause does not benefit the team.

Imam
Fakhar
Abid
Harris/Babar

Or

Fakhar
Abid
Babar
Harris

Should be the combination
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Yes replacing Abid Ali with Imam Ul Haq should get us to 400+ run scores in each match. Brilliant idea
 
It's gonna be epic when Imam is gonna play his 60-70 SR selfish innings in the WC. All his fans are gonna go into hiding or they will start blaming the other batsmen ������
 
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Even if u replace these two with anyone from Pakistan you have to be delusional to think results would have been different.
 
SecularPakistanii said:
I predicted after his 151 then he will play a selfish innings in the next game. He got hurt at 3 off 12.

You're here and I'm here too. Let's see how many matches Imam wins for Pakistan.
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Who is that one player who is winning games for Pak.I am curious to know.Even Fakhar's hundred didnt result in a win
 
Gullycricket said:
Even if u replace these two with anyone from Pakistan you have to be delusional to think results would have been different.
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Issue is not about replacing them' issue is about both of them batting together as partners if we lose fakhar these 2 will take the momentum away for good 20 odd overs building pressure for anyone coming for the last 30 overs to score fast. Harris sarfraz Malik hafeez etc.. are not capable to this

One of them needs to go or we need to put them apart one coming at 1 and the other at 4 to while we have an agressor at 3 otherwise we look this

Accumaltor
Agressor
Accumaltor
Accumaltor
 
Pakistani fans have no shame. Imam and Babar are the only batsmen carrying the entire Pakistani batting lineup on their back.
 
emranabbas said:
And those 350+ runs have fell short all the time...

We won't reach finals by putting 350+ and losing the game

Had England batted first they would have put up 400+

Nobody is asking for Nasir jamshed or shehzad

This current combo is completely wrong

350+ plus in a losing cause does not benefit the team.

Imam
Fakhar
Abid
Harris/Babar

Or

Fakhar
Abid
Babar
Harris

Should be the combination
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Lmao there you go we change the combo and can't even get 300 runs.
 
Whatever combo you'll make, you'll end up losing because your best batsman aren't in the same level as that of other teams.
 
Imam is important because of how risky Fakhar is - either a big score or out quickly.
 
not really, Malik is a liability, last game he was tired and hit wickets and today gave catching practice to rashid.
 
I think bowling is the main problem for Pakistan, they don’t have a spinner like Kuldeep or a pacer like Bumrah. Pakistani bowlers are all one dimensional.
 
SecularPakistanii said:
I predicted after his 151 then he will play a selfish innings in the next game. He got hurt at 3 off 12.

You're here and I'm here too. Let's see how many matches Imam wins for Pakistan.
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lol.. dude there’s been 19 hundreds scored by our top tree in the last 2 years or so & I can only remember on wining us a game Zaman’s ton In CT17 final ... the whole team has been a shambles
 
If you looking for Tendular and Viv Richards in Pakistan domestic circuit to pick from, sorry we don;t have'em.
 
moghul said:
If you looking for Tendular and Viv Richards in Pakistan domestic circuit to pick from, sorry we don;t have'em.
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If Tendulkar and VIv were in PAkistan domestic setup with Inzamam as chief selector. The world would never haveseen them as Inzi is busy selecting his family and friends.
 
Beginning to see the validity in OP's opinion. I hardly remember an innings from either while chasing (or even setting target) that helped Pak win. Infact Pak scored sub-par score in the previous ODI because of Babar's ton.
 
emranabbas said:
This should be our major concern.
we can't have both in the team at this day and and age of cricket.

20 years ago it would have been perfect.

If we lose fakhar early it will be a torture watching a Babar - imam partnership

After 30 overs we will be 150/1

We will end up short after 50 overs
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Babar was batting at 86.52 for a while that brought his SR to run a ball.

We were batting at 5.51 when the RR was 8.52

This is not the 2000s anymore. You will not score at 9 an over in the last 20 overs everytime.

You have to be above the rate to reach the RR at the end of the match
 
Sarfraz was the ideal example how our batsmen should be batting having batted for 72 balls. That is the only appropriate SR that is required to chase.
 
Bairstow's 88 ball 120 is an another example of a chase winning ton. When he helped England chase 350 in the 3rd ODI
 
Khwaja78 said:
If Tendulkar and VIv were in PAkistan domestic setup with Inzamam as chief selector. The world would never haveseen them as Inzi is busy selecting his family and friends.
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Or they might have to play and perform in PSL for Inzi to even take note of their existence.





Let it be known that Inzi the revolutionary picked a nineteen year old kid for the WC squad who had never played a domestic ODI just because he bowled a single solitary bowl over 150kph in a domestic T20. You cannot make this up even if you tried.
 
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