Imran Khan and Kashmir

[TheLastGreatMan]

All it needs is a constitutional amendment. It's already part of Pakistan for all practical purposes and lol @ "neighboring country" - you as an Indian need a visa just to visit GB, Pakistanis do not.

Obviously why Pakistanis need visa when GB is occupied by Pakistan.

 

[amax]

Obviously why Pakistanis need visa when GB is occupied by Pakistan.

its not occupied , Brave Gilgit and Chitrali scouts rebelled against dogra state and freed their region from minority rule of dogra state and than joined Pakistan. Now Northern Light Infantry is one of the most decorated unit of Pakistan army.

 

[Pakistanian]

kashmir is in India just like Gilgit Baltistan is in Pakistan , I would rather have talk with China on Shaksgham tract which Bhutto gifted to China , Wali Hunza claimed all this as part of Hunza and people there are very different from mainland chinese and closer to North Pakistanis. But china gave big stick to Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Karakoram_Tract

No, it is not part of India. What part of "disputed territory" do you not understand? And you can't make this decision on behalf of the Kashmiri people.

Shaksgam has no tangible benefit for Pakistan if that's what you're interested, Kashmir is the key to fixing a lot of Pakistan's energy and water problems.

 

[Pakistanian]

Obviously why Pakistanis need visa when GB is occupied by Pakistan.

They joined by Pakistan by choice.

 

[amax]

No, it is not part of India. What part of "disputed territory" do you not understand? And you can't make this decision on behalf of the Kashmiri people.

Shaksgam has no tangible benefit for Pakistan if that's what you're interested, Kashmir is the key to fixing a lot of Pakistan's energy and water problems.

shaksgam will give whole Karakorum range to Pakistan and Kashmir valley is of little importance to Pakistan's energy and water problem, it is a big myth.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

They joined by Pakistan by choice.

Then why it was not a province by now?

 

[cricketjoshila]

All it needs is a constitutional amendment. It's already part of Pakistan for all practical purposes and lol @ "neighboring country" - you as an Indian need a visa just to visit GB, Pakistanis do not.

Supporting terrorism in J and K is interfering in a neighbouring country.

GB is part of Kashmir not Pakistan. Pakistan govt has never claimed Kashmir as Pakistani territory but as a free country.

 

[Pakistanian]

shaksgam will give whole Karakorum range to Pakistan and Kashmir valley is of little importance to Pakistan's energy and water problem, it is a big myth.

What tangible benefit does owning a mountain range give us?!? Kashmiris are more patriotic and loyal to Pakistan than people from FATA anf Balochistan. They're much better than the Afghans.

 

[Pakistanian]

Then why it was not a province by now?

They're a territory not a province. America also has territories that aren't states, so does Canada.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

They're a territory not a province. America also has territories that aren't states, so does Canada.

Lol,you are now comparing Pakistan situation with America.

 

[JaDed]

There won't be any change..in any position not sure what posters are expecting.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

What tangible benefit does owning a mountain range give us?!? Kashmiris are more patriotic and loyal to Pakistan than people from FATA anf Balochistan. They're much better than the Afghans.

Then why they didn't migrated to Pakistan?

 

[amax]

What tangible benefit does owning a mountain range give us?!? Kashmiris are more patriotic and loyal to Pakistan than people from FATA anf Balochistan. They're much better than the Afghans.

all Pashtuns are by default Pakistanis.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They joined by Pakistan by choice.

A plebicite took place? When?Or did the King of Kashmir hand it over?

 

[Pakistanian]

all Pashtuns are by default Pakistanis.

Not really. Half of them are Afghan but all Kashmiris are by default Pakistani, we created Pakistan (Iqbal) and you guys opposed it (Ghaffar Khan).

 

[Pakistanian]

A plebicite took place? When?Or did the King of Kashmir hand it over?

Gilgit scouts liberated it. Mirza Hassan Khan is a national hero for people in GB because freed them. Also lol @ "king of kashmir", morelike King of Jammu.

 

[amax]

A plebicite took place? When?Or did the King of Kashmir hand it over?

dogra state was a minority rule , it encompassed very different regions , therefore the rebellion as soon as British left as people were very different from each other , a gilgiti is closer to chitrali than to a azad kashmiri or Jamuuite who is closer to a North Punjabi than to a Ladakhi.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Pakistan's problem re Kashmir is that it has next to no international support over this issue. The world simply does not care - America and the EU don't, Russia doesn't, even the 'Ummah' and the GCC countries don't care (barring some token statements from time to time). Hell even the Chinese don't care (that's what an almost $100 billion trade relationship mostly in China's favour buys India). We live in a world where money trumps nearly everything.

If Pakistan wants to solve this problem in their favour then they need leverage over India but what leverage do they have? Terrorism used to work in the 80s and 90s but post 9/11 things have changed and state sponsored terrorism to the extent that used to go on back then just can't any more. Also India was an economic basket case in the 80s and early 90s.

We can talk about 'disputed territory' and semantics all day long but what does that change on the ground?

 

[amax]

Not really. Half of them are Afghan but all Kashmiris are by default Pakistani, we created Pakistan (Iqbal) and you guys opposed it (Ghaffar Khan).

lets settle it with a hand shake all Pashtuns and Kashmiris are by default Pakistanis.

 

[Pakistanian]

lets settle it with a hand shake all Pashtuns and Kashmiris are by default Pakistanis.

Bet

 

[cricketjoshila]

Gilgit scouts liberated it. Mirza Hassan Khan is a national hero for people in GB because freed them. Also lol @ "king of kashmir", morelike King of Jammu.

Basically Major Brown of British Army handed gilgit to Pakistan.

Baltistan was separate and was taken by pak army later.

 

[cricketjoshila]

dogra state was a minority rule , it encompassed very different regions , therefore the rebellion as soon as British left as people were very different from each other , a gilgiti is closer to chitrali than to a azad kashmiri or Jamuuite who is closer to a North Punjabi than to a Ladakhi.

Baltistan was taken by the Pak Army with gilgit scouts. There was no rebellion there. Even in 1971 India took 4 villages from Baltistan. It was part of Ladakh and had shia majority.

Correct me if i am wrong but till 1974 GB had a huge shia majority and that was changed by allowing people from other parts of pakistan to settle there.

 

[Musakhel]

Not really. Half of them are Afghan but all Kashmiris are by default Pakistani, we created Pakistan (Iqbal) and you guys opposed it (Ghaffar Khan).

The difference between Afghans (pashtuns) and kashmiris is that Afghans fight against occupiers but kashmiris need other Muslims mainly Pashtun and punjabies to come into Kashmir and fight the occupiers for them, heck in the 90s even Arabs were fighting in Kashmir.

 

[Pakistanian]

The difference between Afghans (pashtuns) and kashmiris is that Afghans fight against occupiers but kashmiris need other Muslims mainly Pashtun and punjabies to come into Kashmir and fight the occupiers for them, heck in the 90s even Arabs were fighting in Kashmir.

Lol that's just afghan myths. Kashmiris have been fighting for the past 70 years, do you not see that? Pashtuns messed it up, they could've liberated the valley but were busy looting.

 

[Pakistanian]

Baltistan was taken by the Pak Army with gilgit scouts. There was no rebellion there. Even in 1971 India took 4 villages from Baltistan. It was part of Ladakh and had shia majority.

Correct me if i am wrong but till 1974 GB had a huge shia majority and that was changed by allowing people from other parts of pakistan to settle there.

It's still shia majority and Pakistanis can't buy land there, Indians are fed all kinds of propaganda.

 

[amax]

Baltistan was taken by the Pak Army with gilgit scouts. There was no rebellion there. Even in 1971 India took 4 villages from Baltistan. It was part of Ladakh and had shia majority.

Correct me if i am wrong but till 1974 GB had a huge shia majority and that was changed by allowing people from other parts of pakistan to settle there.

not really most people there are from Ismaili sect (same sect as our Quaid), also there hasnt been a demographic change , people there are very unique and fiercely independent to allow such a change. You cant just plant outsiders there.

here is a good article from national geographic on the region , you might find it interesting

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/gojali-pakistan-islam/

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Lol that's just afghan myths. Kashmiris have been fighting for the past 70 years, do you not see that? Pashtuns messed it up, they could've liberated the valley but were busy looting.

You think the Pashtun tribesmen who helped secure a large chunk of Kashmir for Pakistan were looters?

 

[barah_admi]

The key would be how diplomatic Khan can be and what his skill set is. The most important thing to do is get the international community on the side of the Kashmiris and the Pakistanis, rather than the Indians and start an international peace effort, backed hopefully by the US and some of its puppets.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

The key would be how diplomatic Khan can be and what his skill set is. The most important thing to do is get the international community on the side of the Kashmiris and the Pakistanis, rather than the Indians and start an international peace effort, backed hopefully by the US and some of its puppets.

Even if he gets International community on his side nothing is going to happen.Pakistan is too small economy compared to India.It will be just foolishness if Pakistan concentrate on Kashmir rather than solving their internal problems.

 

[barah_admi]

Even if he gets International community on his side nothing is going to happen.Pakistan is too small economy compared to India.It will be just foolishness if Pakistan concentrate on Kashmir rather than solving their internal problems.

A government should be able to carry out more than just one task.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

A government should be able to carry out more than just one task.

There will be thousands of tasks,So IK has to priorities whether solving problems of people living in Pakistan is more important or outsiders.

 

[BlackShadow]

There will be thousands of tasks,So IK has to priorities whether solving problems of people living in Pakistan is more important or outsiders.

Imran Khan or anyone's priority in Pakistan means little as far as Kashmir is concerned. They can keep repeating lies in social media or forums, but when it comes presenting their case where it matters, they don't really have much to say, and are rightfully not taken seriously. Let's hope Imran's leadership sees how interfering in India's issues isn't a bright idea because if India stoops down to the same level, they can inflict much more damage and that's the last thing Pakistan needs today.

 

[giri26]

Kashmir looks for peace as government changes in Pakistan

Leaders in India's only Muslim-majority state are pinning their hopes on Imran Khan, Pakistan's prime minister in waiting, to settle a decades-old conflict and bring peace to the region.

Peace prospects in Jammu and Kashmir improved after Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf led by the former cricket star emerged as the single largest party when results of national polls were declared on July 26.

Soon after the victory, Khan said his priorities would be to settle pending issues with India including the Kashmir conflict. Terming Kashmir as a core issue between the arch rivals, Khan said he "would be ready to take two steps if India takes one for friendship and peace."

Khurshid Alam, senior leader of the Jammu and Kashmir Peoples Democratic Party, said it is time for India to grab the opportunity to extend the hand of friendship toward Pakistan.

"If the two countries move forward, violence in Kashmir will naturally die down and people are hoping that a cordial relationship between India and Pakistan will end the Kashmir conflict forever," Alam told ucanews.com.

The conflict dates back to 1947 when India and Pakistan become separate states after British India was divided. Both countries claim Kashmir in full and have fought at least three wars and countless skirmishes over it.

India often accuses Pakistan of supporting a secessionist movement to free the region from India, an allegation Pakistan has consistently denied. At least 100,000 people have died in the past three decades after the insurgency intensified.

Calls to end violence and resume dialogue have come from leaders including church officials. Past talks have failed to find a lasting solution and recent efforts have been a non-starter because of the preconditions of both nations.

The United Jihad Council, a group of militant organizations, on July 30 issued a statement asking Khan to resolve the Kashmir issue in line with the wishes of the people.

Chief Syed Salahuddin also hailed Khan for his statement on Kashmir in his victory speech. He expressed hope that the new PM will intensify the campaign of highlighting the Kashmir issue at world forums and seek its resolution.

"Kashmiris are being oppressed and the world is watching as a mute spectator," he said.

Salahuddin said Pakistan is the main stakeholder in the Kashmir dispute and that the country under Khan's leadership will adopt a robust policy on political and diplomatic fronts to find a justifiable solution.

Even pro-India political parties in Kashmir are hoping that the former cricketer will improve relations between the countries.

Kashmir's former chief minister Mehbooba Mufti on July 31 took to Twitter to welcome the telephone conversation between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Khan. Modi had congratulated Khan on his victory.

"Hope this goes beyond the optics and leads to a sustainable thaw between India and Pakistan," Mufti wrote.

However, Javaid Ahmad, a political commentator and editor of an Urdu tabloid newspaper, sees little chance for peace.

"People in no way should expect miracles to happen. Governments keep changing in both countries but the issue of Kashmir continues to remain unattended since 1947," he said.

Ahmad said both India and Pakistan used Kashmir as a poll plank during the election campaign. "No miracles cam be expected in Kashmir unless there is seriousness and the two countries rise above the political rhetoric," he told ucanews.com.

https://www.ucanews.com/news/kashmir-looks-for-peace-as-government-changes-in-pakistan/83008

 

[Bhaijaan]

Kashmir has no future.

There will be war and blood shed.

I wish otherwise but we all know its only a matter of time. India and Pakistan at some point in future will engage in a full scale nuclear war over Kashmir and the world will only watch silently.