Imran Khan calls Osama Bin Laden a “shaheed” in parliament

[Mamoon]

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Another legendary slip of tongue by Kaptaan. He called Osama a shaheed in parliament.

Or perhaps this was a Freudian slip because after all, we did keep him safe in Abbottabad for years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> Imran Khan describes terrorist supremo and Al-Qaeda head Osama Bin Laden’s death as an extra judicial killing and called him a martyr in the parliament. 9/11 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AlQaeda?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AlQaeda</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OsamaBinLaden?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OsamaBinLaden</a> <a href="https://t.co/39ATioDViO">https://t.co/39ATioDViO</a></p>— Farahnaz Ispahani (@fispahani) <a href="https://twitter.com/fispahani/status/1276128303003435008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is the video. Prime Minister Imran Khan called Osama Bin Laden a martyr on the floor of the National Assembly of Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/FNE4QoBTYO">pic.twitter.com/FNE4QoBTYO</a></p>— Farhad Jarral (@FarhadJarralPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/FarhadJarralPK/status/1276128353892868096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Time for cult-followers to start their bhangra and put a different spin on it or deflect it back to PMLN and PPP.

This is what happens when your mouth is 100x faster than your brain.

 

[Abdullah719]

What a pity. A very good speech overall spoiled by one foot in mouth statement...

 

[Abdullah719]

He said this before as well by the way, but failed to provide the same context this time.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...-and-his-killing-was-cold-blooded-murder.html

Mr Khan said that the United States had abandoned civilised values and the rule of law, behaved "like cowboys", and as a result was helping the dead al-Qaeda chief to become a "martyr". And he spoke of "seething anger" in Pakistan as a result of the episode.

 

[Mamoon]

What a pity. A very good speech overall spoiled by one foot in mouth statement...

More material for India it seems. Arnab Goswami is probably itching to get to his studio.

All of this can be avoided if he would think before speaking.

 

[Zaz]

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Another legendary slip of tongue by Kaptaan. He called Osama a shaheed in parliament.

Or perhaps this was a Freudian slip because after all, we did keep him safe in Abbottabad for years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> Imran Khan describes terrorist supremo and Al-Qaeda head Osama Bin Laden’s death as an extra judicial killing and called him a martyr in the parliament. 9/11 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AlQaeda?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AlQaeda</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OsamaBinLaden?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OsamaBinLaden</a> <a href="https://t.co/39ATioDViO">https://t.co/39ATioDViO</a></p>— Farahnaz Ispahani (@fispahani) <a href="https://twitter.com/fispahani/status/1276128303003435008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is the video. Prime Minister Imran Khan called Osama Bin Laden a martyr on the floor of the National Assembly of Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/FNE4QoBTYO">pic.twitter.com/FNE4QoBTYO</a></p>— Farhad Jarral (@FarhadJarralPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/FarhadJarralPK/status/1276128353892868096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Time for cult-followers to start their bhangra and put a different spin on it or deflect it back to PMLN and PPP.

This is what happens when your mouth is 100x faster than your brain.

its a poor choice of words I dont believe he meant what the word means ie a martyr rather he meant he got killed

 

[Mamoon]

He said this before as well by the way, but failed to provide the same context this time.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...-and-his-killing-was-cold-blooded-murder.html

Mr Khan said that the United States had abandoned civilised values and the rule of law, behaved "like cowboys", and as a result was helping the dead al-Qaeda chief to become a "martyr". And he spoke of "seething anger" in Pakistan as a result of the episode.

its a poor choice of words I dont believe he meant what the word means ie a martyr rather he meant he got killed

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To be fair, OBL was never a terrorist for Imran Khan. <a href="https://t.co/PUImimIewJ">pic.twitter.com/PUImimIewJ</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1276130363736293376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Imran does not consider Osama a terrorist, so perhaps it is not a slip of tongue and he genuinely believes that he’s a shaheed.

 

[Mamoon]

We haven’t climbed out of the FATF grey list yet, but we could already be staring at the black one.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Its a shame, that this slip of tongue happened. A clarification should be issued at some point on this.

Another thing to acknowledge in here is that media and social media are nothing short of scavengers in today's world. Its a shame that constructive news or criticism never get the similar airtime as such masala stuff gets.

 

[Hitman]

It's always slip of tongue for him. Whether it be Germany and Japan sharing borders, or now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To be fair, OBL was never a terrorist for Imran Khan. <a href="https://t.co/PUImimIewJ">pic.twitter.com/PUImimIewJ</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1276130363736293376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Imran does not consider Osama a terrorist, so perhaps it is not a slip of tongue and he genuinely believes that he’s a shaheed.

Well for Pakistan he wasn't a terrorist, if he was blowing up military schools like ISIS, then he would very quickly have become one. I think USA would need to become much closer aligned to Pakistan to get them to see certain parties as mutual enemies.

 

[Mamoon]

Well for Pakistan he wasn't a terrorist, if he was blowing up military schools like ISIS, then he would very quickly have become one. I think USA would need to become much closer aligned to Pakistan to get them to see certain parties as mutual enemies.

I agree, considering the number of UN listed terrorists that have protection in Pakistan, it is clear that our definition of what a terrorist is is quite unique.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To be fair, OBL was never a terrorist for Imran Khan. <a href="https://t.co/PUImimIewJ">pic.twitter.com/PUImimIewJ</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1276130363736293376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Imran does not consider Osama a terrorist, so perhaps it is not a slip of tongue and he genuinely believes that he’s a shaheed.

Of course... Comparing him with the Nazis surely shows how he holds him in high regard.

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"In fact, the way OBL was killed, he's become a martyr to a certain number of people so he's more of an inspiration [to them].

"If I was them, I would've done what they did with Saddam Hussein. Put him on trial just like they did with the Nazis who were responsible for 50 million deaths. They still put them on a trial at Nuremberg. That's what civilized societies do. I would've put him on trial, put charges on him and demystified the whole thing.

"I don't want mercy for him, I want justice. You have mass murderers, why do you put them on trial instead of lynching them? No one killed more than the Nazis, why did they get a trial? They should've put them up against a wall and shot down.

"As a civilized society, this is the difference. Everyone must go through the due process of law."

 

[Mamoon]

Of course... Comparing him with the Nazis surely shows how he holds him in high regard.

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"In fact, the way OBL was killed, he's become a martyr to a certain number of people so he's more of an inspiration [to them].

"If I was them, I would've done what they did with Saddam Hussein. Put him on trial just like they did with the Nazis who were responsible for 50 million deaths. They still put them on a trial at Nuremberg. That's what civilized societies do. I would've put him on trial, put charges on him and demystified the whole thing.

"I don't want mercy for him, I want justice. You have mass murderers, why do you put them on trial instead of lynching them? No one killed more than the Nazis, why did they get a trial? They should've put them up against a wall and shot down.

"As a civilized society, this is the difference. Everyone must go through the due process of law."

So which version of Imran do we believe? When you have multiple personalities and contradict yourself every 5 minutes, what can people do?

If you find 10 videos of Imran talking out OBL, you are likely to find 10 contradictions.

 

[MRSN]

He really has some brain wires loose. This a Taliban level statement. A guy who killed and took responsibility of killing so many innocents is a martyer. This doesn't even go well with Islamic principals.

 

[Bewal Express]

Of course... Comparing him with the Nazis surely shows how he holds him in high regard.

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"In fact, the way OBL was killed, he's become a martyr to a certain number of people so he's more of an inspiration [to them].

"If I was them, I would've done what they did with Saddam Hussein. Put him on trial just like they did with the Nazis who were responsible for 50 million deaths. They still put them on a trial at Nuremberg. That's what civilized societies do. I would've put him on trial, put charges on him and demystified the whole thing.

"I don't want mercy for him, I want justice. You have mass murderers, why do you put them on trial instead of lynching them? No one killed more than the Nazis, why did they get a trial? They should've put them up against a wall and shot down.

"As a civilized society, this is the difference. Everyone must go through the due process of law."

I see nothing wrong with that statement. He is asking for the judicial process for people that we don't like. As a PM I would have been shocked if he called for extra judicial killings.

 

[Bewal Express]

He really has some brain wires loose. This a Taliban level statement. A guy who killed and took responsibility of killing so many innocents is a martyer. This doesn't even go well with Islamic principals.

Do you belive in extra judicial killings?

 

[MRSN]

So which version of Imran do we believe? When you have multiple personalities and contradict yourself every 5 minutes, what can people do?

If you find 10 videos of Imran talking out OBL, you are likely to find 10 contradictions.

IK does have a multi personality disorder. Sometimes he comes across as a total westerner and liberal, sometimes moderate and other times comes with complete extremist views.

 

[Bewal Express]

So which version of Imran do we believe? When you have multiple personalities and contradict yourself every 5 minutes, what can people do?

If you find 10 videos of Imran talking out OBL, you are likely to find 10 contradictions.

Do you agree with extra judicial killings?

 

[PakPremi]

Must say Imran speeches are getting pretty impressive and convincing me of his success, but desperate people will always will look for needle in haystack to find something to attack him with. I have never been much interested in politics but Im glad it is Imran that is leading the country. As for OBL was killed or martyred in Imran Khan's views, who cares as long as OBL was not the enemy of Pakistan.

 

[MRSN]

Do you belive in extra judicial killings?

of course I do for a guy who has not only killed hundreds of innocent people but also destroyed a generation of Muslims but spreading ignorance and hatred. The trial IK is talking about allows criminals like him to be free because no one gives witness of their crimes and judges needs witnesses.

 

[Bewal Express]

of course I do for a guy who has not only killed hundreds of innocent people but also destroyed a generation of Muslims but spreading ignorance and hatred. The trial IK is talking about allows criminals like him to be free because no one gives witness of their crimes and judges needs witnesses.

That's fine, so if someone was to kill NS or AZ for stealing billions and destroying PK, you would be fine with that. You do know that war criminals are being tried and have been tried. IK as the PM( or international personality) of PK cannot be seen to justifying extra judicial killings, because it would be used against PK.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Can't call it tongue of slip.. has happened too many times now

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Of course... Comparing him with the Nazis surely shows how he holds him in high regard.

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"In fact, the way OBL was killed, he's become a martyr to a certain number of people so he's more of an inspiration [to them].

"If I was them, I would've done what they did with Saddam Hussein. Put him on trial just like they did with the Nazis who were responsible for 50 million deaths. They still put them on a trial at Nuremberg. That's what civilized societies do. I would've put him on trial, put charges on him and demystified the whole thing.

"I don't want mercy for him, I want justice. You have mass murderers, why do you put them on trial instead of lynching them? No one killed more than the Nazis, why did they get a trial? They should've put them up against a wall and shot down.

"As a civilized society, this is the difference. Everyone must go through the due process of law."

This version of Imran was what pakistan wanted and needed. Such a first world response to a third class reporter. I still support Imran but it's becoming too tough these days!

 

[Rana]

Does he have to call him a terrorist?

 

[Zaz]

By assasinating him yes osama is a shaheed to many people He should never have been killed extra judicially like that

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I agree, considering the number of UN listed terrorists that have protection in Pakistan, it is clear that our definition of what a terrorist is is quite unique.

UN isn't an Islamic organisation, so they wouldn't recognise the term shaheed anyway, so of no consequence to them if it is used in Pakistan.

 

[PakPremi]

By assasinating him yes osama is a shaheed to many people He should never have been killed extra judicially like that

Exactly his killing has been turned into martyrdom. He is a hero to some and villian to others.

 

[Hitman]

Time for cult-followers to start their bhangra and put a different spin on it or deflect it back to PMLN and PPP.

This is what happens when your mouth is 100x faster than your brain.

How true you were.

 

[Abdullah719]

So which version of Imran do we believe? When you have multiple personalities and contradict yourself every 5 minutes, what can people do?

If you find 10 videos of Imran talking out OBL, you are likely to find 10 contradictions.

In the above video posted by Naila Inayat, he didn't say anything contradictory. He only said he didn't wish to speak about it.

Please show any instance where he has glorified OBL or said something positive about him.

His only point has always been that he shouldn't have been killed in the way that he was, especially on Pakistani soil.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How true you were.

You have to understand, Pakistan still carries it's Islamic identity quite firmly, there is a difference from India who are basically handed their language and terminology by English speaking western countries. Rank and file Pakistanis understand what shaheed means, they won't have adopted terrorist from a western POV yet.

 

[shaykh]

Quite a misrepresentation ...

He doesn’t refer to Bin Laden ‘being’ a martyr...he said the Americans made him one...quite a big difference that ...

The second video doesn’t contradict that ...it’s just a more detailed version...

 

[Abdullah719]

Quite a misrepresentation ...

He doesn’t refer to Bin Laden ‘being’ a martyr...he said the Americans made him one...quite a big difference that ...

The second video doesn’t contradict that ...it’s just a more detailed version...

That's most likely what he meant (he has said the same thing on multiple occasions previously), but he didn't say that in the speech today. He just said he was martyred.

I think a lot of things could be avoided if a simple clarification was issued, even if it was just a simple tweet or whatever. Currently, the opposition and media are having a field day, as expected.

 

[Jin Chacha]

It is baffling why everyone is so insistent on turning a simple slip of the tongue into some sort of profound comment on the legality of Osama’s killing. Even if someone asks Imran Khan himself, he will probably say it was a slip of the tongue and move on. Treating this statement as anything more than an honest mistake makes it even worse.

 

[shaykh]

That's most likely what he meant (he has said the same thing on multiple occasions previously), but he didn't say that in the speech today. He just said he was martyred.

I think a lot of things could be avoided if a simple clarification was issued, even if it was just a simple tweet or whatever. Currently, the opposition and media are having a field day, as expected.

My Urdu isn’t great but he says ‘inone’ ie the Americans ...and then ‘shaheed kardiye’ ...ie made him shaheed ...translating to English at least the inference is clear ...the Americans made him shaheed...which is a lot different to saying ‘he is’...

The other vid in the OP is him being a politician...a bit like he is over the issue of blasphemy...It’s what happens when your population is more extreme than you ...

 

[Bhaijaan]

Imran Khan's image as an intellectual has taken a massive beating in last few years.

This also puts in perspective his ludicrous comments as a cricket analyst over the years.

His last wife's revelations about his personal life also did him a lot of harm.

A wonderful cricketer, but he's revealed himself to be a conservative extremist, an egomaniac, a womanizer and a very a lame politician.

I also make it a point to give Modi's blind bhakts in India a phainty but Mamoon has over the years helped me understand Pakistanis have also elevated Imran to pretty much the same level of Modi madness where they simply cannot take any just criticism of him as a mere human lightly. This sort of obsession with celebrities is unhealthy, more so ehen you elevate these celebrities to positions of power.

Truly embarrassing.

Imran Khan must issue a sincere apology to the families and friends of all those who were the victims of the attacks orchestrated by international terrorist that Osama Bin Laden was.

Shameful from Imran.

 

[Savak]

Imran Khan's image as an intellectual has taken a massive beating in last few years.

This also puts in perspective his ludicrous comments as a cricket analyst over the years.

His last wife's revelations about his personal life also did him a lot of harm.

A wonderful cricketer, but he's revealed himself to be a conservative extremist, an egomaniac, a womanizer and a very a lame politician.

I also make it a point to give Modi's blind bhakts in India a phainty but Mamoon has over the years helped me understand Pakistanis have also elevated Imran to pretty much the same level of Modi madness where they simply cannot take any just criticism of him as a mere human lightly. This sort of obsession with celebrities is unhealthy, more so ehen you elevate these celebrities to positions of power.

Truly embarrassing.

Imran Khan must issue a sincere apology to the families and friends of all those who were the victims of the attacks orchestrated by international terrorist that Osama Bin Laden was.

Shameful from Imran.

His ex wife has no credibility. Everyone knows what she represents.

 

[Slog]

he's lost his mind.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Imran Khan's image as an intellectual has taken a massive beating in last few years.

This also puts in perspective his ludicrous comments as a cricket analyst over the years.

His last wife's revelations about his personal life also did him a lot of harm.

A wonderful cricketer, but he's revealed himself to be a conservative extremist, an egomaniac, a womanizer and a very a lame politician.

I also make it a point to give Modi's blind bhakts in India a phainty but Mamoon has over the years helped me understand Pakistanis have also elevated Imran to pretty much the same level of Modi madness where they simply cannot take any just criticism of him as a mere human lightly. This sort of obsession with celebrities is unhealthy, more so ehen you elevate these celebrities to positions of power.

Truly embarrassing.

Imran Khan must issue a sincere apology to the families and friends of all those who were the victims of the attacks orchestrated by international terrorist that Osama Bin Laden was.

Shameful from Imran.

Embarrassing comment from him in parliament, I am sure there will be a clarification on what he meant.

However to compare modi to imran or to compare bakhts to pti voters is intellectually dishonest.

Bakhts have been lynching people pti voters have not. Even compare the language used, bakths are way worse.

Also, if someone criticizes imran, they are not told to go to india.

 

[Slog]

More material for India it seems. Arnab Goswami is probably itching to get to his studio.

All of this can be avoided if he would think before speaking.

lol why is that even relevant.

Arnab esp is just comedy value

 

[Extra_Cover]

In the above video posted by Naila Inayat, he didn't say anything contradictory. He only said he didn't wish to speak about it.

Please show any instance where he has glorified OBL or said something positive about him.

His only point has always been that he shouldn't have been killed in the way that he was, especially on Pakistani soil.

Most logical post on this non-topic.

 

[blackanhyellow]

That's most likely what he meant (he has said the same thing on multiple occasions previously), but he didn't say that in the speech today. He just said he was martyred.

I think a lot of things could be avoided if a simple clarification was issued, even if it was just a simple tweet or whatever. Currently, the opposition and media are having a field day, as expected.

Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but maybe he did this on purpose, to distract from the covid talk. This can be clarified in a tweet in another day or so, but in the meanwhile it becomes the talk of the town with less focus on other things.

That's the only reason I can think of not to release a clarification asap even if only on twitter.

 

[MenInG]

Most logical post on this non-topic.

Hate usually clouds sound judgement - we can only pray for people with this poison in their hearts.

 

[MenInG]

PML-N senior leader Khawaja Asif on Thursday lambasted Prime Minister Imran Khan over his speech in the National Assembly in which the premier referred to slain Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden as "martyred".

"Imran Khan called Osama bin Laden shaheed. Bin Laden brought terrorism to our lands, he was a terrorist through and through and he [premier] calls him shaheed?" said Asif during the National Assembly session.

Earlier today, Prime Minister Imran delivered an all-encompassing speech in the parliament.

Speaking about the country's relations with the United States, he said Pakistan had to face a lot of "humiliation" despite supporting Washington in the 'war on terror' and was then blamed for the US's failures in Afghanistan.

Recalling an incident that he said caused "embarrassment" to Pakistan, the premier said: "The Americans came to Abbottabad and killed, martyred Osama bin Laden. When happened after that? The entire world cursed at us and spoke ill of us."

Following the prime minister's speech, Senator Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, the spokesperson for Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari, also released a statement in which he called Imran a "national security threat".

"By labelling Osama bin Laden a martyr, Imran Khan has become a national security threat. If he is a martyr, then what is the status of those civilians and members of our armed forces who embraced martyrdom in the attacks by Al Qaeda?

"Thousands of civilians and youth were martyred in attacks by Al Qaeda," he said.

Khokhar also questioned the lesson the prime minister was trying to teach the younger generation.

"Today Imran Khan has proven himself to be 'Taliban Khan' in parliament. The Imran Khan-Taliban nexus was evident from the meetings between the two."

This is the same person who had called for the Taliban to open their offices in Pakistan, he said.

Separately, PPP Senator Sherry Rehman said that Pakistan was still a victim of terrorist attacks due to Osama Bin Laden.

"Because of him the country is in such a state and you are presenting him as a hero on the assembly floor?"

She added that Imran's words will go down in history. "Remember that Osama Bin Laden can be the PM's hero but not the nation's. He was and will remain a criminal of the state and the people."

Osama bin Laden was killed by US special forces who raided his compound in Pakistan in 2011.

Prime Minister Imran during his trip to the United States last year had said that Pakistan’s main spy agency provided the US with a lead that helped them find and take out Osama bin Laden.

The prime minister also said that he never felt more humiliated than he did on May 2, 2011 when American commandos took him out without informing Pakistan.

“Never did I feel more humiliated than I did when OBL was taken out in Pakistan,” he said in his speech at the US Institute of Peace (USIP) in Washington. “Here was a country which was an ally, which did not trust us [enough to tell about the raid]. We do not want to be humiliated like this again.”

Asad Durrani, a former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Military Intelligence chief, had also told Al Jazeera in 2015 that the ISI probably knew where Osama bin Laden was hiding and had shared this information with the Americans before the Abbottabad raid. But this was the first such confirmation by a Pakistani official.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1565160/o...imran-for-saying-osama-bin-laden-was-martyred

 

[MRSN]

Most logical post on this non-topic.

"Shaheed kar diya" and "Shaheed bna diya" are two different things. IK openly said "Americans ne hamla kar ke Osama ko shaheed kar diya" which shows he beleives Osama was assassinated when there is no doubt about him being responsible for killing thousands of innocent Pakistanis and destroying a whole generation of Muslims.

To be fair IK alwayd had extremist mindset towards Talibans and their leaders. We all know he wanted TTP to have their own office for negotiations when they were killing innocent people and taking over our lands. When he was asked so many times about his narrative about Talibans he always produced excuses when journalists asked hi. to condemn attacks. I have followed Pakistan politics very closely during Taliban era and one thing is for sure that it was PPP,PML N, ANP and Pak army who really took on these TTP terrorists and broke their backbone when they were going strong. IK was seen hiding and producing bunch excuses for them. He even rallied against Pak army for them. It was a shameful period of IK.

 

[sweep_shot]

He didn't use the right word and I hope he didn't mean it literally.

We all can make mistakes sometimes with our words.

 

[shaykh]

"Shaheed kar diya" and "Shaheed bna diya" are two different things. IK openly said "Americans ne hamla kar ke Osama ko shaheed kar diya" which shows he beleives Osama was assassinated when there is no doubt about him being responsible for killing thousands of innocent Pakistanis and destroying a whole generation of Muslims.

To be fair IK alwayd had extremist mindset towards Talibans and their leaders. We all know he wanted TTP to have their own office for negotiations when they were killing innocent people and taking over our lands. When he was asked so many times about his narrative about Talibans he always produced excuses when journalists asked hi. to condemn attacks. I have followed Pakistan politics very closely during Taliban era and one thing is for sure that it was PPP,PML N, ANP and Pak army who really took on these TTP terrorists and broke their backbone when they were going strong. IK was seen hiding and producing bunch excuses for them. He even rallied against Pak army for them. It was a shameful period of IK.

Slightly off topic I guess...Urdu isn’t my first language ...kar diya and bna diya in my head translate the same for me as ‘made’...I imagine there is a nuance I’ve missed?...

 

[blackanhyellow]

"Shaheed kar diya" and "Shaheed bna diya" are two different things. IK openly said "Americans ne hamla kar ke Osama ko shaheed kar diya" which shows he beleives Osama was assassinated when there is no doubt about him being responsible for killing thousands of innocent Pakistanis and destroying a whole generation of Muslims.

To be fair IK alwayd had extremist mindset towards Talibans and their leaders. We all know he wanted TTP to have their own office for negotiations when they were killing innocent people and taking over our lands. When he was asked so many times about his narrative about Talibans he always produced excuses when journalists asked hi. to condemn attacks. I have followed Pakistan politics very closely during Taliban era and one thing is for sure that it was PPP,PML N, ANP and Pak army who really took on these TTP terrorists and broke their backbone when they were going strong. IK was seen hiding and producing bunch excuses for them. He even rallied against Pak army for them. It was a shameful period of IK.

If he meant that and doesn't clarify, he will lost a lot of supporters including me.

Let's not talk about the other political parties other wise thread will be derailed talking about how those other political parties invited americans to drone pakistani soil.

 

[MRSN]

My Urdu isn’t great but he says ‘inone’ ie the Americans ...and then ‘shaheed kardiye’ ...ie made him shaheed ...translating to English at least the inference is clear ...the Americans made him shaheed...which is a lot different to saying ‘he is’...

The other vid in the OP is him being a politician...a bit like he is over the issue of blasphemy...It’s what happens when your population is more extreme than you ...

Your Urdu is very bad. "Shaheed bana diya"=made him martyred. "Shaheed kar diya"= Martyred him..

 

[blackanhyellow]

Slightly off topic I guess...Urdu isn’t my first language ...kar diya and bna diya in my head translate the same for me as ‘made’...I imagine there is a nuance I’ve missed?...

It's a bit confusing.

Kar diya shaheed can mean martyred.

Bana diya shaheed means made into a martyr.

What is your mother tongue?

 

[MRSN]

"Shaheed kar diya" is an ideology you believe that a person killed didn't deserve to die.

 

[Mamoon]

In the above video posted by Naila Inayat, he didn't say anything contradictory. He only said he didn't wish to speak about it.

Please show any instance where he has glorified OBL or said something positive about him.

His only point has always been that he shouldn't have been killed in the way that he was, especially on Pakistani soil.

Badami asked Imran if he considers OBL a terrorist. Imran said he didn’t wish to speak about.

It is clearly obvious that he sympathizes with him. If he didn’t sympathize with him he would have called him a terrorist like the rest of the world.

Even if someone sympathizes with OBL, there is no doubt about the fact that he is a terrorist. It is not even debatable.

 

[shaykh]

"Shaheed kar diya" is an ideology you believe that a person killed didn't deserve to die.

Thanks for the clarifications ...mother tongue is English...

Made and made into makes sense ...the latter would be clearer...although I’d say even the 1st could be used as a synonym...the difference in Urdu seems a lot more clear cut...

 

[MRSN]

Also IK's this statement is not going to go well with the Pak Army. How are they going to feel about the Army jawans who lost their lives hunting terrorists produced and nurtured by his force?

 

[Mamoon]

he's lost his mind.

He has.

He is under too much pressure and most of it is self-inflicted. He got carried away over 20+ years with all the tall claims and now he is struggling to live up to them.

He also underestimated the fact that giving party tickets to lotas and opportunists would backfire.

The idea that when the leader is honest the politicians under him also work diligently was naive.

The circus show that his party has become is taking its toll on him.

 

[JaDed]

Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but maybe he did this on purpose, to distract from the covid talk. This can be clarified in a tweet in another day or so, but in the meanwhile it becomes the talk of the town with less focus on other things.

That's the only reason I can think of not to release a clarification asap even if only on twitter.

I think the same, seems to be a thing right wing leaders around the world are doing it.

 

[chinaman00]

If this was a slip of tongue, why not clarify it? Why allow the issue to fester on and spread like wild fire? Imran Khan yet again shoots himself on the foot and that of Pakistan in the process. This is really shameful. PTI online brigades are defending him but not disowning what he said. He has given his enemies and that of Pakistan a gift they will milk for a generation.

 

[Syed1]

I think the same, seems to be a thing right wing leaders around the world are doing it.

If you have to give these sweeping generalizations atleast educate yourself of the facts. Currently a parliament session is going on to discuss the budget that has to be passed and come in effect on 1st July. The PM speaking in budget session is tradition. He spoke for 1.5hour at length about the measures his government is taking in different fields. Obviously he spoke about foreign policy and within there the discussion of OBL came up.

 

[Bigboii]

there's always something happening with these morons man

there's a slip of the tongue, oh no he needs experience, his ministers are bad sometimes but his niyat is clean

Plain and simple he is just not cut out for this job honestly speaking cause every week he or his ministers are saying some absolutely ridicules things

At best he just speaks what comes to his mind (criminal behavior for a politician or PM)

At worse he is an Al Qaeda sympathizer, apologist

 

[MRSN]

there's always something happening with these morons man

there's a slip of the tongue, oh no he needs experience, his ministers are bad sometimes but his niyat is clean

Plain and simple he is just not cut out for this job honestly speaking cause every week he or his ministers are saying some absolutely ridicules things

At best he just speaks what comes to his mind (criminal behavior for a politician or PM)

At worse he is an Al Qaeda sympathizer, apologist

The problem with him is his pseudo philosophy. Today again he started his speech with his long self praises. I did this. I did that. He said I begged for hospital and my party and I didn't feel shame. It was a pathetic speech. He needs to get out of this me me syndrome and allow other people around him to give him some fresh ideas. His pseudo philosophy is getting boring and has been quite a failure. Also he should be careful what he says and should definitely do his home work because he keeps making blunders and then his party spends time justifying his horrible comments. A day ago it was Gul Sahiba and today he has made people forget about her.

 

[JaDed]

If you have to give these sweeping generalizations atleast educate yourself of the facts. Currently a parliament session is going on to discuss the budget that has to be passed and come in effect on 1st July. The PM speaking in budget session is tradition. He spoke for 1.5hour at length about the measures his government is taking in different fields. Obviously he spoke about foreign policy and within there the discussion of OBL came up.

Generalization is a statement, the very first line I said i think which is more like an assumption, if anything your statement makes it seem like he was aware about what he was saying and believes in it as well.

Unless you meant generalization of Right wing leaders, and yes I agree on that and i dislike them.

 

[Mamoon]

The problem with him is his pseudo philosophy. Today again he started his speech with his long self praises. I did this. I did that. He said I begged for hospital and my party and I didn't feel shame. It was a pathetic speech. He needs to get out of this me me syndrome and allow other people around him to give him some fresh ideas. His pseudo philosophy is getting boring and has been quite a failure. Also he should be careful what he says and should definitely do his home work because he keeps making blunders and then his party spends time justifying his horrible comments. A day ago it was Gul Sahiba and today he has made people forget about her.

People are done with his same old nonsense. He either praises him or criticizes others. He has no practical, workable mandate.

Unfortunately, his cult followers are in awe no matter what he says. The brainwashing is baffling.

 

[Abdul]

Hahaha. This is the saviour and messiah of Pakistan for you.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Referring to PM’s speech in NA today, it is clarified that PM twice used the word “killed” for OBL. An unwarranted attempt is being made at home/abroad with a clear intent to make his remarks controversial unnecessarily.</p>— Dr. Shahbaz GiLL (@SHABAZGIL) <a href="https://twitter.com/SHABAZGIL/status/1276214755070337024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not a very good "explanation"

 

[Local.Dada]

Does he have to call him a terrorist?

I guess these are the kind of doubts one has when there is a confused philosophy.

To answer your question yes, I remember one of OBL’s family members who lives in the US acknowledged him as one.

 

[Syed1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMIKAssemblySpeech?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMIKAssemblySpeech</a> spoke for over an 1 hour & 13 min and the "Yäñd∅øs" heard only ONE word<br><br></p>— Awab Alvi (@DrAwab) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrAwab/status/1276189991471808515?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

For a lot of people he is. But then again, i don’t really have any regards for such people.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Also, terrorist is just a meaningless term. Every ‘terrorist’ exclude themselves from being referred by that term if they can have their way with it.

 

[Savak]

No biggie, if the OP can call the likes of NS, Zardari men of outstanding integrity then this is no big deal. After all NS has accepted funds from OBL, that is a bigger crime

 

[Waseem]

It was a bad call by Imran Khan in otherwise a fantastic parliament speech which he must do more often.

I think he didn't want to upset some people and corrected himself after saying "he was killed" but he didnt have to make this correction to please right wingers.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The guy made a mistake. When you give hundreds of speeches in a year, that is bound to happen.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Imran Khan's image as an intellectual has taken a massive beating in last few years.

This also puts in perspective his ludicrous comments as a cricket analyst over the years.

His last wife's revelations about his personal life also did him a lot of harm.

A wonderful cricketer, but he's revealed himself to be a conservative extremist, an egomaniac, a womanizer and a very a lame politician.

I also make it a point to give Modi's blind bhakts in India a phainty but Mamoon has over the years helped me understand Pakistanis have also elevated Imran to pretty much the same level of Modi madness where they simply cannot take any just criticism of him as a mere human lightly. This sort of obsession with celebrities is unhealthy, more so ehen you elevate these celebrities to positions of power.

Truly embarrassing.

Imran Khan must issue a sincere apology to the families and friends of all those who were the victims of the attacks orchestrated by international terrorist that Osama Bin Laden was.

Shameful from Imran.

For Pakistani people Imran Khan broke the status quo, he represents change from two parties which are run on a hereditary basis. Most of his haters have been after him since before he took office. They hold him to a standard which no other politician is held to.

Also unlike Modi Imran Khan is a liberal. You wont see him mocking people of other religions like Modi has done.

And so what if he was a womanizer. Thats his personal business.

 

[moghul]

I memory is not short, I know exactly what the decades of corruption committed by NS and Zardari did to this country, hence I still will give IK more time to perform. But stupidity like this does not give me much hope.

 

[El Generico]

I think the same, seems to be a thing right wing leaders around the world are doing it.

How is Imran Khan right wing?

 

[cric_man]

Imran Khan's image as an intellectual has taken a massive beating in last few years.

This also puts in perspective his ludicrous comments as a cricket analyst over the years.

His last wife's revelations about his personal life also did him a lot of harm.

A wonderful cricketer, but he's revealed himself to be a conservative extremist, an egomaniac, a womanizer and a very a lame politician.

I also make it a point to give Modi's blind bhakts in India a phainty but Mamoon has over the years helped me understand Pakistanis have also elevated Imran to pretty much the same level of Modi madness where they simply cannot take any just criticism of him as a mere human lightly. This sort of obsession with celebrities is unhealthy, more so ehen you elevate these celebrities to positions of power.

Truly embarrassing.

Imran Khan must issue a sincere apology to the families and friends of all those who were the victims of the attacks orchestrated by international terrorist that Osama Bin Laden was.

Shameful from Imran.

LoL, Mamoon as your source for input on Imran is like us using your Australian Sanghi Romalli Rotti's view on the Gandhi's as gospel.

He is a gaslighting troll who mixes half truths with out right lies. He has himself claimed to be a recipient of largess due to corruption. And in his own words he hates the country of his birth but has to stick around due to his family's investments.

So I wouldn't put a lot weightage to his views on IK.

As far as his ex wife goes, read her book if you have time and see how absurd it sounds. Also do a little research on her before she was inserted into Imran's like. Her book as well as Ayesha Gullalai's unsubstantiated allegations against him have had 0 impact on him.

Imran's past is his private matter. And yes he has had a very colorful past.

 

[amvbfm]

Most probably a slip of the tongue but such gaffes are becoming too regular to ignore.

 

[Mamoon]

Imran is leaving no stone unturned to ensure that his cult-followers continued to be humiliated. For how long will these people sweep his blunders under the carpet?

This man wants to bring a revolution in Pakistan and make the country an Asian tiger, but the previous governments were corrupt, he cannot find a good team, the public is stupid and the poor guy’s tongue is not reliable either - it often slips.

This man would have changed the fortunes of the country if everything was in his favor.

 

[MenInG]

Islamabad, Pakistan - Pakistan's government says it is "disappointed" by a US State Department report on the country's counterterrorism track record, with a foreign ministry statement declaring the report "self-contradictory and selective".

Earlier this week, the State Department issued its annual country reports on terrorism for 2019, singling Pakistan out for particular criticism.

"We are disappointed with the US State Department's Annual Country Report on Terrorism for 2019, which is self-contradictory and selective in its characterisation of Pakistan's efforts for countering terrorism and terrorist financing," the Pakistani foreign ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

The United States has long accused Pakistan of tacitly supporting the Afghan Taliban and its allies, including the Haqqani Network (HQN) armed group, in their fight against US-led NATO forces in neighbouring Afghanistan.

The two countries have also worked together against other armed groups, including al-Qaeda, in the region, in a relationship that has been marked by continued engagement despite sustained mistrust.

Matters reached a low point in January 2018, when US President Donald Trump cut more than $1.1bn in security assistance to Pakistan, accusing the country of supporting the Afghan Taliban.

Pakistan has consistently denied the allegations, although in 2016 the then Pakistani foreign affairs adviser Sartaj Aziz had admitted that the government did have limited influence over the group.

Elements of the Afghan Taliban's leadership have been based out of a town outside the southwestern Pakistani city of Quetta for years. In May 2016, then Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansoor was killed in a US drone attack in Pakistan while en route to Quetta.

The US State Department report this week repeated those concerns.

"Pakistan continued to serve as a safe haven for certain regionally focused terrorist groups," it said. "It allowed groups targeting Afghanistan, including the Afghan Taliban and affiliated HQN, as well as groups targeting India, including LeT [Lashkar e-Taiba] and its affiliated front organisations, and JeM [Jaish e-Muhammad], to operate from its territory."

Pakistan has been battling the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) - an umbrella organisation of armed groups that is also known as the Pakistani Taliban - since it was formed in 2007 with the stated objective of overthrowing the government and establishing a state based on a strict interpretation of Islam.

In 2014, the country launched a widescale military operation to take on the TTP, succeeding in displacing the group from its erstwhile headquarters in the North Waziristan district along the border with Afghanistan.

Violence has seen a corresponding drop across the country, with far fewer suicide bombings and targeted attacks reported in 2019 compared with previous years.

Pakistan's foreign ministry defended the country's track record on fighting the armed groups in its statement on Thursday.

"The [US] report acknowledges the sharp decrease in the incidence of terrorist attacks in Pakistan," said the statement. "However, it neglects to explain that this was only possible because Pakistan's resolute counterterrorism operations have targeted proscribed groups and outfits without discrimination."

Pakistan also denied that it provided safe havens to any armed group.

"We reject any insinuation about any safe haven," the statement said. "Pakistan will not allow any group or entity to use its territory against any country. On the contrary, it is Pakistan that faces the threat of terrorism from externally based and foreign-sponsored groups."

Pakistan remains on a "grey-list" maintained by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), an inter-governmental body that monitors member states' compliance with anti-terrorism financing and anti-money laundering regulations.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...remely-rare-live-updates-200626000914304.html

 

[Rajdeep]

Personally, I dont speak in political matter of other countries as I simply don't have enough knowledge about it to debate. But I am quiet amazed at the hypocracy of few posters. Imagine if Modi had given any such statement. Imagine he called Nathuram Godse as martyr in parliament. The guys who are brushing this statement of Khan as (yet another) freudian slip would have termed Modi as fascist, hindudtva terror, xenophobic etc etc. Forget posters, Imran himself would have tweeted against fascist Modi tagging UN. Also our Indian liberal brothers who are maintaining pedestrian distance from this thread would have been running riot here.

I like Imran Khan as a personna (dont know much about his politics though) but I always have issues with these double standards.

 

[Kriketer]

Quite comical to see countrymen of a nation who elected a banned terrorist as their PM here sharing their thoughts.

OBL is history and a gone case. The whole Afghanistan war was illegal and totally destroyed us so it makes no difference what one thinks anymore, especially when prior episodes have so much drama and conspiracies associated with it.

IK's naysayers will keep crying, that's all they have been doing all along....you just keep chasing the corrupt IK

 

[Babu Bhaiya]

Personally, I dont speak in political matter of other countries as I simply don't have enough knowledge about it to debate. But I am quiet amazed at the hypocracy of few posters. Imagine if Modi had given any such statement. Imagine he called Nathuram Godse as martyr in parliament. The guys who are brushing this statement of Khan as (yet another) freudian slip would have termed Modi as fascist, hindudtva terror, xenophobic etc etc. Forget posters, Imran himself would have tweeted against fascist Modi tagging UN. Also our Indian liberal brothers who are maintaining pedestrian distance from this thread would have been running riot here.

I like Imran Khan as a personna (dont know much about his politics though) but I always have issues with these double standards.

Well said!!! For one its slip of tongue, for rest they are fascists..

These liberandus are biggest curse.. No wonder certain bhagoda poster who has a weird obsession with old men, the one who is obsessed with 56 inch chest and sensible ones, they are nowhere to be seen in this thread.