Imran Khan calls Osama Bin Laden a “shaheed” in parliament

[Babu Bhaiya]

Quite comical to see countrymen of a nation who elected a banned terrorist as their PM here sharing their thoughts.

OBL is history and a gone case. The whole Afghanistan war was illegal and totally destroyed us so it makes no difference what one thinks anymore, especially when prior episodes have so much drama and conspiracies associated with it.

IK's naysayers will keep crying, that's all they have been doing all along....you just keep chasing the corrupt IK

Quite comical to see countyman of a nation whose PM can't differentiate between a martyr and a terrorist who is responsible for thousands of lives, yet he has to be defended as slip of tongue.

 

[MenInG]

Quite comical to see countyman of a nation whose PM can't differentiate between a martyr and a terrorist who is responsible for thousands of lives, yet he has to be defended as slip of tongue.

He is not busy decimating parts of his country in name of Hinduism so think we can agree that a slip of tongue is not that dangerous.

 

[Babu Bhaiya]

He is not busy decimating parts of his country in name of Hinduism so think we can agree that a slip of tongue is not that dangerous.

Who and where is anyone decimating parts of his country in name of Hinduism?

And unfortunately i don't agree!!!

 

[Local.Dada]

He is not busy decimating parts of his country in name of Hinduism so think we can agree that a slip of tongue is not that dangerous.

Can you be more specific?

FYI Kashmir for the nth time is a territorial conflict not a religious one. It may be for the jihadis/freedom fighters/terrorists/innocent school teachers but Indians, Indian government and army see it as a territorial dispute.

 

[MenInG]

Can you be more specific?

FYI Kashmir for the nth time is a territorial conflict not a religious one. It may be for the jihadis/freedom fighters/terrorists/innocent school teachers but Indians, Indian government and army see it as a territorial dispute.

We have enough threads to talk about Indian atrocities and you have been part of those so best not act so horrified.

Your comments about jihadis etc tells a story in itself but lets not discuss here - its about Imran's big sin of calling another Muslim (misquided as he maybe) a shaheed.

 

[Energy]

What was noticeably hilarious while the mafia were having a field day yesterday was that nobody for an iota of a second even thought about the blunder of previous governments who were stupid enough to become a part of war on terror and were conveniently unaware about the fiasco while the US were launching their mission.

Pakistan was made a mockery in front of the world but let's sweep that under the carpet please. Let's not question PMLN and PPP taboo incompetence who were giving permission for drone attacks, and also getting Pakistan's global image kicked in their face. While the billions used on Avenfield House and Swiss Banks were safe and sound!

Let's catch Imran Khan for calling the person whatever he wants to call him. Why? Because it is easy. Since Imran Khan is bold enough to explain the complexity of the country's situation, its economy in a simple language so masses can understand - we've adopted a classic Pakistani trait - hasad.

For information, Imran Khan's common vote-bank doesn't consider him to be a messiah. There are no messiah posters on the streets in Pakistan. Everybody knows that he will face a tough time in his first tenure. But for the first time in years, a common Pakistani has found somebody to get behind. Somebody who has an ambition to bring Pakistan's potential to what it was in the 60s and 70s.

And - on subject of the 'sin' that IK has committed over OBL, it was wrong because his mistake was that he should have put it in better context like has done in his previous interviews. Hoping that he clarifies his position soon otherwise the media and mafia will have an orgasm.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Personally, I dont speak in political matter of other countries as I simply don't have enough knowledge about it to debate. But I am quiet amazed at the hypocracy of few posters. Imagine if Modi had given any such statement. Imagine he called Nathuram Godse as martyr in parliament. The guys who are brushing this statement of Khan as (yet another) freudian slip would have termed Modi as fascist, hindudtva terror, xenophobic etc etc. Forget posters, Imran himself would have tweeted against fascist Modi tagging UN. Also our Indian liberal brothers who are maintaining pedestrian distance from this thread would have been running riot here.

I like Imran Khan as a personna (dont know much about his politics though) but I always have issues with these double standards.

I can’t speak for other posters, but Modi and the BJP do indeed view Godse as a martyr, don’t they?

As long as that is a fact, posters here can only be incorrect about IK, but not hypocritical.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Following up on my previous post, the question has now become are posters correct or incorrect (was it a slip of the tongue or IK genuinely views OBL like this?)

I can assure you 99% Pakistanis do not see OBL as a shaheed. We have suffered far too much at the hands of terrorism.

1. I don’t think IK believes this, therefore it is a slip of the tongue.
2. Even if he did believe it, he is not stupid enough to say something like this consciously, because he knows what the ramifications are. Therefore, it is likely a slip of the tongue.

I may very well be wrong. But I think it’s unfair to compare this to Godse where he is genuinely hailed as a martyr by certain people in India

 

[Rajdeep]

I can’t speak for other posters, but Modi and the BJP do indeed view Godse as a martyr, don’t they?

As long as that is a fact, posters here can only be incorrect about IK, but not hypocritical.

RSS/Modi always distanced themselves from Godse and called him a terrorist for killing Gandhi. Now what they think about him inside no one knows (or perhaps we do) but officially Modi has never said Godse a martyr. An articulate veteran statesman like Modi will never make such an ameturish mistake, even with a freudian slip. And if he ever did, this thread would be 5 pages by now and ususal suspects would run riot.

 

[Firebat]

Pakistan PM Imran Khan claims US 'martyred' Osama bin Laden

Pakistan's Prime Minister has controversially claimed the US "martyred" Osama bin Laden when they assassinated him in 2011.

Imran Khan hit out at Washington for not informing Pakistani officials before they raided bin Laden's Abottabad compound in the middle of the night nine years ago - despite them supporting the US in the war on terror.

In a rambling budget speech to parliament, he said: "We sided with the US in the war on terror but they came here and killed him, martyred him and ... used abusive language against us [and] did not inform us [of the raid], despite the fact that we lost 70,000 people in the war on terror."

The use of the word "martyr", usually reserved for heroes slain in battle, quickly drew criticism from opposition leaders.

Lawmaker Khwaja Mohammed Asif slammed Mr Khan for his choice of language, saying the al-Qaeda chief had brought terrorism to Pakistan.

He said: "He [bin Laden] ruined my country but he [Khan] is calling him a martyr."

Mr Khan also told parliament the Americans blamed Islamabad for failing to control the situation in neighbouring Afghanistan - using them as a scapegoat for their failure to defeat the Taliban despite having 150,000 US soldiers on the ground there.

Instead, the PM claimed, Pakistan faced "insults in return" and were "held responsible".

The White House has repeatedly accused Pakistan of harbouring the Afghan Taliban and giving safe haven to its affiliate Haqqani network, which has been blamed for several major attacks in Afghanistan in recent years.

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) were the only countries who recognised the Taliban government in the run-up to 9/11.

But after the 2001 terror attacks, Pakistan turned and became a US ally, helping them oust the Taliban as part of a coalition in November 2011.

Since taking over as prime minister in August 2018, Mr Khan - a former cricket player - claims he has improved Pakistani-US relations by building a personal rapport with Donald Trump.

He said previously: "No one insults us now."

https://news.sky.com/story/pakistan...-osama-bin-laden-12015115?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

 

[chinaman00]

Following up on my previous post, the question has now become are posters correct or incorrect (was it a slip of the tongue or IK genuinely views OBL like this?)

I can assure you 99% Pakistanis do not see OBL as a shaheed. We have suffered far too much at the hands of terrorism.

1. I don’t think IK believes this, therefore it is a slip of the tongue.
2. Even if he did believe it, he is not stupid enough to say something like this consciously, because he knows what the ramifications are. Therefore, it is likely a slip of the tongue.

I may very well be wrong. But I think it’s unfair to compare this to Godse where he is genuinely hailed as a martyr by certain people in India

Even as a supporter of PTI, I will call ** on this. If it was a slip of tongue how come his party and communication team hasn’t issued a single clarification? It’s not a slip of tongue because even as the entire global media goes crazy about his statement, they didn’t bother to issue a single clarification. Honestly, how difficult is it to issue a clarification? I am sorry but he meant what he said. The silence of his party shows an endorsement.

 

[Extra_Cover]

RSS/Modi always distanced themselves from Godse and called him a terrorist for killing Gandhi. Now what they think about him inside no one knows (or perhaps we do) but officially Modi has never said Godse a martyr. An articulate veteran statesman like Modi will never make such an ameturish mistake, even with a freudian slip. And if he ever did, this thread would be 5 pages by now and ususal suspects would run riot.

Well an articulate veteran statesman did mention something along the lines of that "there was no Chinese intrusion into India". This particular piece was later removed from the official statement after it was questioned. So was this a slip of tongue by the veteran statesman or was is it lack of knowledge on the subject matter, the latter is worse than the former.

Let's take these two slip of tongues where IK mentioned OBL is a martyr and Modi mentioned no intrusion of China into Indian territory. I'm pretty sure in the future that IK would be asked this question by reporting both local and international and he would correct it then and there, however I'm not very sure if Modi would correct his slip of tongue possibly because he never gives unscripted interviews.

 

[Mamoon]

Following up on my previous post, the question has now become are posters correct or incorrect (was it a slip of the tongue or IK genuinely views OBL like this?)

I can assure you 99% Pakistanis do not see OBL as a shaheed. We have suffered far too much at the hands of terrorism.

1. I don’t think IK believes this, therefore it is a slip of the tongue.
2. Even if he did believe it, he is not stupid enough to say something like this consciously, because he knows what the ramifications are. Therefore, it is likely a slip of the tongue.

I may very well be wrong. But I think it’s unfair to compare this to Godse where he is genuinely hailed as a martyr by certain people in India

There are enough videos where Imran has implicitly expressed sympathy for OBL. He was directly asked by a Pakistani journalist if he considers OBL a terrorist and he said he doesn’t want to talk about it. It is clear that he doesn’t consider him one.

Thus, I would say this was a Freudian slip and he forgot for a moment that he was speaking in the parliament and his statement will reach every corner of the world.

Imran is losing it completely and rapidly running out of excuses.

So he didn’t inherited the country in good condition, he couldn’t put together a good team, the public are not good either which is why he is now blaming the people, and looks like he doesn’t even half a good tongue. The poor thing slips far too often.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Also, terrorist is just a meaningless term. Every ‘terrorist’ exclude themselves from being referred by that term if they can have their way with it.

As I have said previously, terrorist is a fairly recent term invented by the US to demonise their enemy in order to attack them on foreign shores. Who or what is a terrorist depends usually on the perspective of the party accusing the other.

From a US POV, OBL was a freedom fighter to start with, then a terrorist following the defeat of the USSR. For Pakistan to adopt the US position they need some incentive or shared benefit from aligning themselves with the US, otherwise why would they care?

 

[Local.Dada]

I can’t speak for other posters, but Modi and the BJP do indeed view Godse as a martyr, don’t they?

As long as that is a fact, posters here can only be incorrect about IK, but not hypocritical.

No they don’t. Even if they hold the opinion personally no one says that because they would be in trouble.

That would be say the equivalent of someone having an issue with say a how few ways Islamic practices might be interpreted and implemented but no one calls them out in the fear of being persecuted.

Yes there were statements from lower rung BJP members in the past but even Modi and Amit Shah criticized them and distanced themselves from it.

One thing let me assure you no head of state of India ever calls a terrorist a martyr or as a great human being.

It is not hypocrisy it’s false equivalence and clutching at straws

 

[MRSN]

Following up on my previous post, the question has now become are posters correct or incorrect (was it a slip of the tongue or IK genuinely views OBL like this?)

I can assure you 99% Pakistanis do not see OBL as a shaheed. We have suffered far too much at the hands of terrorism.

1. I don’t think IK believes this, therefore it is a slip of the tongue.
2. Even if he did believe it, he is not stupid enough to say something like this consciously, because he knows what the ramifications are. Therefore, it is likely a slip of the tongue.

I may very well be wrong. But I think it’s unfair to compare this to Godse where he is genuinely hailed as a martyr by certain people in India

I disagree with you on this. It's other way around. I beleive 90% people beleive him to be a martyer just because he was killed by Kaffirs. Just read into this thread and majority of people are defending what IK said yesterday instead of criticising him. They have turned this debate into Left Vs Right wing. How Osama being Shaheed or not is even debatable?

Reading this thread makes me really puzzle. If people on here with proper educational background are defending IK on this then this is disturbing. I mean a guy had killed and publicly claimed killing of innocent people not only all over the world but Pakistan too. How is Osama a controversial figure? He is a terrorist. Imran Khan has always had this side of being terrorists sympathizer so not surprised but educated class of PTI defending him gives me no hope in this party.

 

[Abdullah719]

I disagree with you on this. It's other way around. I beleive 90% people beleive him to be a martyer just because he was killed by Kaffirs. Just read into this thread and majority of people are defending what IK said yesterday instead of criticising him. They have turned this debate into Left Vs Right wing. How Osama being Shaheed or not is even debatable?

Reading this thread makes me really puzzle. If people on here with proper educational background are defending IK on this then this is disturbing. I mean a guy had killed and publicly claimed killing of innocent people not only all over the world but Pakistan too. How is Osama a controversial figure? He is a terrorist. Imran Khan has always had this side of being terrorists sympathizer so not surprised but educated class of PTI defending him gives me no hope in this party.

Where did you get that 90% figure from?

 

[albinogonk]

Imran Khan's image as an intellectual has taken a massive beating in last few years.

This also puts in perspective his ludicrous comments as a cricket analyst over the years.

His last wife's revelations about his personal life also did him a lot of harm.

A wonderful cricketer, but he's revealed himself to be a conservative extremist, an egomaniac, a womanizer and a very a lame politician.

I also make it a point to give Modi's blind bhakts in India a phainty but Mamoon has over the years helped me understand Pakistanis have also elevated Imran to pretty much the same level of Modi madness where they simply cannot take any just criticism of him as a mere human lightly. This sort of obsession with celebrities is unhealthy, more so ehen you elevate these celebrities to positions of power.

Truly embarrassing.

Imran Khan must issue a sincere apology to the families and friends of all those who were the victims of the attacks orchestrated by international terrorist that Osama Bin Laden was.

Shameful from Imran.

Anyone who gives credence to gossip from an ex-wife when critiquing Imran Khan is either stupid or comes with an obvious agenda.

 

[albinogonk]

Imran Khan's image as an intellectual has taken a massive beating in last few years.

This also puts in perspective his ludicrous comments as a cricket analyst over the years.

His last wife's revelations about his personal life also did him a lot of harm.

A wonderful cricketer, but he's revealed himself to be a conservative extremist, an egomaniac, a womanizer and a very a lame politician.

I also make it a point to give Modi's blind bhakts in India a phainty but Mamoon has over the years helped me understand Pakistanis have also elevated Imran to pretty much the same level of Modi madness where they simply cannot take any just criticism of him as a mere human lightly. This sort of obsession with celebrities is unhealthy, more so ehen you elevate these celebrities to positions of power.

Truly embarrassing.

Imran Khan must issue a sincere apology to the families and friends of all those who were the victims of the attacks orchestrated by international terrorist that Osama Bin Laden was.

Shameful from Imran.

RSS/Modi always distanced themselves from Godse and called him a terrorist for killing Gandhi. Now what they think about him inside no one knows (or perhaps we do) but officially Modi has never said Godse a martyr. An articulate veteran statesman like Modi will never make such an ameturish mistake, even with a freudian slip. And if he ever did, this thread would be 5 pages by now and ususal suspects would run riot.

Lol yeh, he only made the kind of ******** mistake that effectively ceded territory to China. An articulate veteran statesman indeed!

 

[MRSN]

Where did you get that 90% figure from?

just see recent trends in Pakistan on social media.

 

[Bigboii]

Imran Khan's image as an intellectual has taken a massive beating in last few years.

This also puts in perspective his ludicrous comments as a cricket analyst over the years.

His last wife's revelations about his personal life also did him a lot of harm.

A wonderful cricketer, but he's revealed himself to be a conservative extremist, an egomaniac, a womanizer and a very a lame politician.

I also make it a point to give Modi's blind bhakts in India a phainty but Mamoon has over the years helped me understand Pakistanis have also elevated Imran to pretty much the same level of Modi madness where they simply cannot take any just criticism of him as a mere human lightly. This sort of obsession with celebrities is unhealthy, more so ehen you elevate these celebrities to positions of power.

Truly embarrassing.

Imran Khan must issue a sincere apology to the families and friends of all those who were the victims of the attacks orchestrated by international terrorist that Osama Bin Laden was.

Shameful from Imran.

dont like IK but comparing IK and Modi is wrong because one is stupid but the other is a total butcher and the ex wife is also full of crap because she was saying in the book that Wasim Akram was inviting "black" guys to have sex with his late wife while he watched ( I mean how and why would she know this intimidate detail about their private life and their are tons of other totally ** claims in the book trust me she is 150% wrong in the book)

 

[Bigboii]

Where did you get that 90% figure from?

I wont say 90% but I am sure majority of people in Pak consider him a martyr

 

[MRSN]

As I have said previously, terrorist is a fairly recent term invented by the US to demonise their enemy in order to attack them on foreign shores. Who or what is a terrorist depends usually on the perspective of the party accusing the other.

From a US POV, OBL was a freedom fighter to start with, then a terrorist following the defeat of the USSR. For Pakistan to adopt the US position they need some incentive or shared benefit from aligning themselves with the US, otherwise why would they care?

A freedome fighter doesn't kill thousands of innocent people of his own kind and doesn't leave thousands of injured and jobless due to their terrorist attacks.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So many on here still believe 911 was done by OBL.

Yet they calling out Imran as dumb.

Bin Laden fought the Soviets which in turn was protection for Pakistan. There is no evidence he had any involvment in 911 or any other attack on USA, which is a terrorist state itself. So Imran is correct whether it was a slip of the tongue or not.

 

[Local.Dada]

A freedome fighter doesn't kill thousands of innocent people of his own kind and doesn't leave thousands of injured and jobless due to their terrorist attacks.

Forget about how one views OBL, it’s ironic that some Pakistanis consider him a hero or freedom fighter or whatever because when he was fighting the Russians, as a result of that directly or indirectly, Pak got pulled into it. Then he turned his focus to America again Pak was pulled in with the whole war on terror. When OBL was killed, again it showed Pakistan in a bad light.

When Indians say terrorism from Pak, then Pakistan’s argument is how they suffered from terrorism themselves all these years.

All these can be tied back to OBL at some level or the other.

I am not sure how Pakistanis can even think about OBL in a sympathetic light.

One can be save kittens from a tree, help solve world hunger and change the world with your discovery, if they are responsible for mine or my families trouble that guy would be a dbag regardless. Of course OBL doesn’t even tick any of those criterias.

Forget India How can the world or other organizations trust Pakistan has terrorism in order with this kind of mindset.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan was criticized by opposition lawmakers after making a speech to Parliament in which he said Osama bin Laden had been “martyred” by the United States when it killed the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks in 2011.

Mr. Khan was rebuked for his remarks, which included jibes at the United States, and for the reverence he showed Bin Laden by suggesting that he was a martyr, a term of veneration in Islam used to describe those killed defending the faith.

“We sided with the U.S. in the war on terror but they came here and killed him, martyred him,” Mr. Khan said in the speech on Thursday.

The prime minister at first said Bin Laden was merely “killed” by the Americans, but quickly corrected himself to say the leader of Al Qaeda was “martyred.”

The Americans, he added, “used abusive language against us” and further insulted Pakistan by not informing the country that they intended to enter the country to kill Bin Laden.

Pakistan, an antipathetic but important ally of the United States, has insisted that it did not know Bin Laden was hiding out in the northern city of Abbottabad, but American officials have long accused the country’s powerful military of providing a safe haven for militants.

Mr. Khan’s critics in the National Assembly were quick to condemn the prime minister, already under fire for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic and an economy in a nose dive.

“Bin Laden brought terrorism to our lands, he was a terrorist through and through,” said Khawaja Muhammad Asif, an opposition leader.

On Twitter, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, chairman of the opposition Pakistan Peoples Party, said Mr. Khan had a “history of appeasement to violent extremism.”

Mr. Khan, a former captain of the Pakistan cricket team, reinvented himself as a religious conservative when he entered politics.

Many Pakistanis remain supportive of Bin Laden and some religious leaders talk of the Qaeda leader in glorifying terms. Mr. Khan has capitalized on his base’s anti-American sentiments and sympathy for militants, including the Taliban.

The 2011 raid that killed Bin Laden was highly embarrassing for Pakistan’s military and spy agency, and caused the relationship between Pakistan and the United States to reach a historic low.

Mr. Khan said on Thursday that his government had improved relations with the United States and the countries now had greater mutual trust.

There was no official reaction or clarification about the prime minister’s remark from his office on Friday, and senior officials seemed to want to get past the controversy quickly.

Shah Mehmood Qureshi, the Pakistani foreign minister, tried to brush off the prime minister’s comments when asked for his reaction by the local news media.

“It was such an all-encompassing speech. This is not a matter of debate,” Mr. Qureshi said. “Let’s leave it.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/world/asia/pakistan-imran-khan-bin-laden-martyr.html

 

[Arsal_AK]

Whether or not it was a 'slip of tongue', this is an unacceptable statement. He should come out and state that it was indeed in a slip of tongue, he is sorry and that he doesn't in anyway or form believes in rubbish like that.

It's this simple.

 

[Technics 1210]

There are enough videos where Imran has implicitly expressed sympathy for OBL. He was directly asked by a Pakistani journalist if he considers OBL a terrorist and he said he doesn’t want to talk about it. It is clear that he doesn’t consider him one.

Thus, I would say this was a Freudian slip and he forgot for a moment that he was speaking in the parliament and his statement will reach every corner of the world.

Imran is losing it completely and rapidly running out of excuses.

So he didn’t inherited the country in good condition, he couldn’t put together a good team, the public are not good either which is why he is now blaming the people, and looks like he doesn’t even half a good tongue. The poor thing slips far too often.

You were not born when OBL was heralded a hero in the West. We're not talking about a nutter with a gun, OBL was on USA payroll in the war against Afghanistan. The rest is history.

Your own boy Obama clarified why OBL was buried at sea (allegedly) because wait for it - he felt a traditional burial would lead to martyrdom.

IK didn't make a slip of the tongue and didn't contradict himself, infact he was criticising Obama for the entire handling of the OBL affair.

 

[Technics 1210]

Forget about how one views OBL, it’s ironic that some Pakistanis consider him a hero or freedom fighter or whatever because when he was fighting the Russians, as a result of that directly or indirectly, Pak got pulled into it. Then he turned his focus to America again Pak was pulled in with the whole war on terror. When OBL was killed, again it showed Pakistan in a bad light.

When Indians say terrorism from Pak, then Pakistan’s argument is how they suffered from terrorism themselves all these years.

All these can be tied back to OBL at some level or the other.

I am not sure how Pakistanis can even think about OBL in a sympathetic light.

One can be save kittens from a tree, help solve world hunger and change the world with your discovery, if they are responsible for mine or my families trouble that guy would be a dbag regardless. Of course OBL doesn’t even tick any of those criterias.

Forget India How can the world or other organizations trust Pakistan has terrorism in order with this kind of mindset.

What do Indians think of the only religious terrorist to be banned from entering the USA and UK? That's right, voted him into power. Save your bravado.

Go ask what white people in South Africa think of Mandela, they will you he was a terrorist, and he was, that's why he spent time in prison, but you are lead to believe he was squeaky clean.

The problem is your lot just cannot think for themselves. Your own leader lost indian territory to China - but you have faith in his leadership. No wonder you bailed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What do Indians think of the only religious terrorist to be banned from entering the USA and UK? That's right, voted him into power. Save your bravado.

Go ask what white people in South Africa think of Mandela, they will you he was a terrorist, and he was, that's why he spent time in prison, but you are lead to believe he was squeaky clean.

The problem is your lot just cannot think for themselves. Your own leader lost indian territory to China - but you have faith in his leadership. No wonder you bailed.

Indian views on this thread highlight the problem with appropriating language created by others for your own purpose. This is similarly true of those Pakistanis who are on jumping on the bandwagon because they don't approve of PTI and favour a different political party.

This is intellectual dishonesty and also sadly shows a slave mentality where one is parroting the views of the master race without question. No doubt the British Raj considered Indian insubordinates as terrorists back in the day, and rightly shot them when they caused disturbance to the superior British administration which actually brought much needed reform to the primitive Indian mentality.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Anyone who gives credence to gossip from an ex-wife when critiquing Imran Khan is either stupid or comes with an obvious agenda.

Yeah ofcourse say anything about Imran and the Imranstas come out of the woods in full force.. This was real dumb by Imran, well at least he has now once again confirmed OBL was in Pakistan when he died unlike a certain Pakistanis who deny this trying to save their face in front of the world :

 

[IAJ]

Lol Had Osama been killed by Soviet’s in 1980s he would have been declared Shaheed and everyone would be happy shappy.

Now that he was killed by USA everyone is scared of calling him shaheed. Americans never provided sufficient evidence that he was behind 9/11. And why did they kill him? Why didn’t they take him to the court? Because they knew they did had not proves against him.

Americans are liars, they have killed innocent people in Japan, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, you name it and no one is calling them terrorists.

And here Imran used a word on Usama and everyone has gone crazy. American’s are back to the tables with Taliban now and even they wont mind this word.

Finally I am not defending Usama, he might have killed many innocent people himself and that should be condemned, but in the end he dies as a muslim killed by non-muslims so don’t know why people are reacting so much on one single word.

And to indians, Americans are using you against China just like it did with Osama and co against Soviet. But let’s see if USA can succeed like it destroyed Soviet.

 

[Romali_rotti]

And to indians, Americans are using you against China just like it did with Osama and co against Soviet.

Ohh but but as per a lot of Pakistanis here USA is not going to interfere if a India China war broke out....

 

[IAJ]

Ohh but but as per a lot of Pakistanis here USA is not going to interfere if a India China war broke out....

No, USA will not interfere directly, it will only try to use India, no hidden facts. That is already happening. If Indians are smart they should rather try to solve the dispute against China diplomatically rather than a war. And the Godi-media is not helping the case either.

But the problem now is that those mujahedeens who defeated Soviet had a speciall jazba, they defeated Soviet and came to power in Afg. And then suddenly USA realized, oh «these muslims can be even bigger threath to us than the soviets», so they started this drama of 9/11 and what not.

Even their own Hillary Clinton has said it on record that USA used Taliban and Pakistan against Soviet and then ran away leaving them in complete mess.

 

[Rajdeep]

Some of the defence in thread is pretty shocking tbh. Atleast the 'Freudian Slip' card which was being played till yesterday had some merit in it. But blatantly justifying why Osama is a martyr is shocking. Some are even questioning his role in 9/11...lol.

 

[IAJ]

Some of the defence in thread is pretty shocking tbh. Atleast the 'Freudian Slip' card which was being played till yesterday had some merit in it. But blatantly justifying why Osama is a martyr is shocking. Some are even questioning his role in 9/11...lol.

Can you prove he was the man behind 9/11? Americans has till today’s date not proved that. I am not defending him here. But American’s are proven liars, they even admit some of the lies themselves e.g. Colin Powell who admitted he provided misleading intelligence that led to destruction of Iraq.

 

[Babu Bhaiya]

Indian views on this thread highlight the problem with appropriating language created by others for your own purpose. This is similarly true of those Pakistanis who are on jumping on the bandwagon because they don't approve of PTI and favour a different political party.

This is intellectual dishonesty and also sadly shows a slave mentality where one is parroting the views of the master race without question. No doubt the British Raj considered Indian insubordinates as terrorists back in the day, and rightly shot them when they caused disturbance to the superior British administration which actually brought much needed reform to the primitive Indian mentality.

This self proclaimed Mr. Brit needs to be banned.

 

[shaz619]

The physically, genetically and intellectually inferior races will obviously play this up and also those who previously came from family's who held positions through means of corruption which benefited them when it came to having extra naan breads in their households, however the comment in itself is disappointing considering how Osama contributed to the rise in Terror in Pakistan during the 2000's, without him there would be no US invasion and its ramifications on Pakistan.

 

[Local.Dada]

Can you prove he was the man behind 9/11? Americans has till today’s date not proved that. I am not defending him here. But American’s are proven liars, they even admit some of the lies themselves e.g. Colin Powell who admitted he provided misleading intelligence that led to destruction of Iraq.

What do you mean can you prove? Aren’t there videos of Osama/ Al Qaeda claiming responsibility for that? Like that famous video which is usually parodied in movies, with Osama sitting in front of the green screen with his finger up in the air.

) I mean seriously? His own family and Arabs themselves have called him a terrorist and you are asking for giving him benefit of the doubt lol

 

[Local.Dada]

What do Indians think of the only religious terrorist to be banned from entering the USA and UK? That's right, voted him into power. Save your bravado.

Go ask what white people in South Africa think of Mandela, they will you he was a terrorist, and he was, that's why he spent time in prison, but you are lead to believe he was squeaky clean.

The problem is your lot just cannot think for themselves. Your own leader lost indian territory to China - but you have faith in his leadership. No wonder you bailed.

The guy you are talking about got a rockstar welcome in the USA and was treated like a proper world leader. He didn’t have to take the subway like the average joe. That’s how some irrelevant world leaders might be treated.

Did you just compare Osama Bin Laden to Nelson Mandela? I am speechless

Stunning you guys live in the west and hold these views and then complaint about islamophobia.


What happened in China, there are a million posts already on another thread celebrating the deaths of Indian soldiers and denying and totally blocking any possibility that even 1 Chinese soldier has a scratch on his body. So let’s keep it to that thread.

Small exercise. Use your brains and think If OBl has never existed do you think Pak would have come out better from that scenario or not?

 

[topspin]

Following up on my previous post, the question has now become are posters correct or incorrect (was it a slip of the tongue or IK genuinely views OBL like this?)

I can assure you 99% Pakistanis do not see OBL as a shaheed. We have suffered far too much at the hands of terrorism.

1. I don’t think IK believes this, therefore it is a slip of the tongue.
2. Even if he did believe it, he is not stupid enough to say something like this consciously, because he knows what the ramifications are. Therefore, it is likely a slip of the tongue.

I may very well be wrong. But I think it’s unfair to compare this to Godse where he is genuinely hailed as a martyr by certain people in India

Nope, not even close. If we cast our minds back to this event and the aftermath. Do you remember how many Pakistanis around the country flocked to his funeral?

 

[topspin]

A disgraceful statement.

For those who are defending him, I will just say you all need to realise how damaging his statement could be. Those few words could be all that it takes to radicalise a multiple number of PTI supporters, especially when you consider how a lot of them blind follow IK like a cult.

 

[topspin]

"Shaheed kar diya" and "Shaheed bna diya" are two different things. IK openly said "Americans ne hamla kar ke Osama ko shaheed kar diya" which shows he beleives Osama was assassinated when there is no doubt about him being responsible for killing thousands of innocent Pakistanis and destroying a whole generation of Muslims.

To be fair IK alwayd had extremist mindset towards Talibans and their leaders. We all know he wanted TTP to have their own office for negotiations when they were killing innocent people and taking over our lands. When he was asked so many times about his narrative about Talibans he always produced excuses when journalists asked hi. to condemn attacks. I have followed Pakistan politics very closely during Taliban era and one thing is for sure that it was PPP,PML N, ANP and Pak army who really took on these TTP terrorists and broke their backbone when they were going strong. IK was seen hiding and producing bunch excuses for them. He even rallied against Pak army for them. It was a shameful period of IK.

Probably the best post in this thread. Indeed, it was a shameful period and perhaps we should be grateful he wasn't leading the country when terrorism was at its peak in Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

The guy you are talking about got a rockstar welcome in the USA and was treated like a proper world leader. He didn’t have to take the subway like the average joe. That’s how some irrelevant world leaders might be treated.

Did you just compare Osama Bin Laden to Nelson Mandela? I am speechless

Stunning you guys live in the west and hold these views and then complaint about islamophobia.


What happened in China, there are a million posts already on another thread celebrating the deaths of Indian soldiers and denying and totally blocking any possibility that even 1 Chinese soldier has a scratch on his body. So let’s keep it to that thread.

Small exercise. Use your brains and think If OBl has never existed do you think Pak would have come out better from that scenario or not?

Lol! Modi the terrorist gets a rockstar reception so it's all good. Doesn't change the fact he was banned because of religious terrorism

The audacity to have a pop for someone defending terrorism. You couldn't make it up.

 

[Technics 1210]

Indian views on this thread highlight the problem with appropriating language created by others for your own purpose. This is similarly true of those Pakistanis who are on jumping on the bandwagon because they don't approve of PTI and favour a different political party.

This is intellectual dishonesty and also sadly shows a slave mentality where one is parroting the views of the master race without question. No doubt the British Raj considered Indian insubordinates as terrorists back in the day, and rightly shot them when they caused disturbance to the superior British administration which actually brought much needed reform to the primitive Indian mentality.

Indeed. That's how terrorists were dealt with.

In today's world, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, but who decides who is a terrorist and who is not? The Bhakts have declared all Muslims as terrorists anyway which is why we see an influx of their polluted brainwashed mindset here.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indeed. That's how terrorists were dealt with.

In today's world, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, but who decides who is a terrorist and who is not? The Bhakts have declared all Muslims as terrorists anyway which is why we see an influx of their polluted brainwashed mindset here.

The sad part about it is that the bakhts and the cheerleaders don't even realise their intellectual slavery where they are parroting terms like terrorism in the first place. Leave the hypocrisy aside and let us just chuckle as they dance to the US tune.

 

[Thomaskutty]

So many on here still believe 911 was done by OBL.

If they weren't OBL groupies, which organisation did those 20 hjiackers belong to ?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

If they weren't OBL groupies, which organisation did those 20 hjiackers belong to ?

It was done by khalid sheikh who was the uncle of ammar al baluchi
They both knew ramzy yousuf who tried to do the same in 1993

The only connection with the bin ladens is hamza marrying into the atta family

 

[Local.Dada]

I don’t know where Modi came into this topic but the fact that Imran feels OBL is a martyr and Modi a terrorist/Nazi/Hitler works in Modi’s favor

It’s different if Imran claims to be a humanitarian but this is pretty self explanatory lol

 

[Bigboii]

Lol Had Osama been killed by Soviet’s in 1980s he would have been declared Shaheed and everyone would be happy shappy.

Now that he was killed by USA everyone is scared of calling him shaheed. Americans never provided sufficient evidence that he was behind 9/11. And why did they kill him? Why didn’t they take him to the court? Because they knew they did had not proves against him.

Americans are liars, they have killed innocent people in Japan, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, you name it and no one is calling them terrorists.

And here Imran used a word on Usama and everyone has gone crazy. American’s are back to the tables with Taliban now and even they wont mind this word.

Finally I am not defending Usama, he might have killed many innocent people himself and that should be condemned, but in the end he dies as a muslim killed by non-muslims so don’t know why people are reacting so much on one single word.

And to indians, Americans are using you against China just like it did with Osama and co against Soviet. But let’s see if USA can succeed like it destroyed Soviet.

https://youtu.be/GdBI2Mrj3Pk

He confessed to it and he is smiling like he is proud of killing 3000 goddamn people

These people died an extremely tragic death by burning and crushing to death, they had families

What americans millitary did to people doesn't justify 9/11 and it never will

 

[Thomaskutty]

It was done by khalid sheikh who was the uncle of ammar al baluchi
They both knew ramzy yousuf who tried to do the same in 1993

The only connection with the bin ladens is hamza marrying into the atta family

There's already public footage of Osama with two of the 9/11 attackers, let alone his own admission in 2004 that he was responsible for Sept 11.

Regarding the 1993 WTC attacks, the ringleader of that incident was found in Pakistan. Also, we know that the 9/11 mastermind Khaled Sheikh is of pakistani origin. All the great terror attacks of the last 3 decades have some pakistan link, you need to introspect on why this is the case .. particularly since Imran Khan has now admitted to idolizing Bin Laden.

 

[Technics 1210]

Plenty of public footage of OBL claiming stuff, but no footage of him being found in Pakistan or the sea burial. Hmmm.

OBL was a Saudi, yet Iraq and Afghanistan were at the receiving end of 911 and Amreekan retribution, based on an illegal war.

Anyone thinks OBL was responsible for 911 needs an extra coating of Vaseline.

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Suggests Osama Bin Laden Was a Martyr
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/world/asia/pakistan-imran-khan-bin-laden-martyr.html

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Imran Khan criticised after calling Osama Bin Laden a 'martyr'

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53190199

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Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan says the U.S. "martyred" Osama bin Laden

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan-says-u-s-martyred-osama-bin-laden/

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Pakistan’s Prime Minister Dubs Osama Bin Laden a ‘Martyr’: What Now?
The statement brings to the fore uncomfortable truths.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/06/pakistans-prime-minister-dubs-osama-bin-laden-a-martyr-what-now/

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Osama bin Laden was 'martyred' says Imran Khan

Imran Khan's comments were not the first controversial remarks he has made about Pakistan's role in the war on terror after 9/11

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/25/osama-bin-laden-martyred-says-imran-khan/

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Pakistan's Prime Minister Says U.S. 'Martyred' Osama bin Laden

https://time.com/5860138/pakistan-imran-khan-osama-bin-laden-martyred/

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IK can have his personal opinions, but his words as head of state will have impact on Pakistan. All media have reported this. He should be careful with words even if he doesn't see Bin Laden as terrorist.

 

[Local.Dada]

Plenty of public footage of OBL claiming stuff, but no footage of him being found in Pakistan or the sea burial. Hmmm.

OBL was a Saudi, yet Iraq and Afghanistan were at the receiving end of 911 and Amreekan retribution, based on an illegal war.

Anyone thinks OBL was responsible for 911 needs an extra coating of Vaseline.

Yeah just like how the Indian army shot down trees and crows, the American marines must have shot a few donkeys, probably that’s why it caused enough waves to arrest probably the worlds most famous Afridi who instead of being a hero is languishing in jail while Daniel Pearl’s killers get his sentence overturned.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Plenty of public footage of OBL claiming stuff, but no footage of him being found in Pakistan or the sea burial. Hmmm.

OBL was a Saudi, yet Iraq and Afghanistan were at the receiving end of 911 and Amreekan retribution, based on an illegal war.

Anyone thinks OBL was responsible for 911 needs an extra coating of Vaseline.

Come out of this cuckoo universe that you live in and embrace reality. There's still time for you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If they weren't OBL groupies, which organisation did those 20 hjiackers belong to ?

The ones found alive in their home countries could have answered this for you. Sophisticated terrorists, dont even need to be on the plane.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There's already public footage of Osama with two of the 9/11 attackers, let alone his own admission in 2004 that he was responsible for Sept 11.

Regarding the 1993 WTC attacks, the ringleader of that incident was found in Pakistan. Also, we know that the 9/11 mastermind Khaled Sheikh is of pakistani origin. All the great terror attacks of the last 3 decades have some pakistan link, you need to introspect on why this is the case .. particularly since Imran Khan has now admitted to idolizing Bin Laden.

OBL tapes have proven to be fake, heard of Hollywood?

OBL worked for/with the CIA, he wasnt any patsy or agent but a high value partner. After he died, they took out another great Afghan resistance fighter, 911 happened and AFghanistan was attacked.

Simple question.

Can you explain how OBL managed to bring down WT7 at near free fall speed?

 

[Thomaskutty]

OBL tapes have proven to be fake, heard of Hollywood?

How do you know the tapes are fake? For that to happen, the CIA would have had to collude with Al-Jazeera and use deep-fake technology that I doubt even existed in 2006. This is the article below -

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/world/middleeast/08tape.html

OBL worked for/with the CIA
Simple question.

Can you explain how OBL managed to bring down WT7 at near free fall speed?

OBL ceased being an asset for the US after the Soviet-Afghan war.

The WTC collapsed after the fires weakened the steel beams, each floor kept collapsing quickly onto the preceding floor and whoosh - the lowest floors gave away & the whole tower collapsed.

If you're thinking explosives were secretly used by Mossad lol, that would need explosions immediately prior to the collapse. None were seen and no series of explosions were heard prior to the collapse.

 

[Local.Dada]

How do you know the tapes are fake? For that to happen, the CIA would have had to collude with Al-Jazeera and use deep-fake technology that I doubt even existed in 2006. This is the article below -

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/world/middleeast/08tape.html



OBL ceased being an asset for the US after the Soviet-Afghan war.

The WTC collapsed after the fires weakened the steel beams, each floor kept collapsing quickly onto the preceding floor and whoosh - the lowest floors gave away & the whole tower collapsed.

If you're thinking explosives were secretly used by Mossad lol, that would need explosions immediately prior to the collapse. None were seen and no series of explosions were heard prior to the collapse.

I can empathize if these guys feel this way if they are still living in some remote tribal areas of Pakistan but I am stunned that some of these guys have even been born and raised in the west from childhood. I absolutely detest islamophobia or any kind of bias or discrimination but with these kind of opinions I am sure it gives ammunition for some locals to develop prejudice.

 

[MRSN]

OBL tapes have proven to be fake, heard of Hollywood?

OBL worked for/with the CIA, he wasnt any patsy or agent but a high value partner. After he died, they took out another great Afghan resistance fighter, 911 happened and AFghanistan was attacked.

Simple question.

Can you explain how OBL managed to bring down WT7 at near free fall speed?

can you explain why thousands of people died with suicide attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan at thr hands of these so called freedom fighters? Only jahil people will call these cteatures freedom fighters. They are nothing but bunch of animals who should be given treatment that they needs.

It's amazing some foreigners like you sitting in the comforts of European countries defend these creatures who have made life hell for commoners living in both countries. Please change your mentality. For Pakistanis and Afghanis these talibans are terrorists who have destroyed economy and life of people here.

 

[uberkoen]

Donald Trump of the east continues his buffoonery and making a mockery of Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

Come out of this cuckoo universe that you live in and embrace reality. There's still time for you.

Naaah, I rather stay in the world Im in than share your Bhakt nonsense view of the world. If you really believe the kak you do you then you would've explained the absense of evidence along with the logic behind attacking Iraq and Afghanistan after 911.

Problem is you can't as you were not born then and like most sheep spew what your read in MSM.

Your lot are the worst kind, the kind that cannot think for themselves.

 

[uberkoen]

I'd like to know what Imran Khan would call the Pakistani soldiers who sacrificed their lives fighting against Al Qaeda and Taliban considering he refers to Osama as a shaheed.


The PM can accidentally call a terrorist a martyr but can never accidentally call Ahmedis martyrs. If he had accidentally called Ahmedis martyrs there would have been an apology from his office within minutes.

Please make no mistake about this, talking about Germany and Japan sharing a border might be excused as a slip of tongue, however Imran Khan's views on OBL and Al Qaeda are there for everyone to see from his past interviews. He never considered OBL a terrorist.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I'd like to know what Imran Khan would call the Pakistani soldiers who sacrificed their lives fighting against Al Qaeda and Taliban considering he refers to Osama as a shaheed.


The PM can accidentally call a terrorist a martyr but can never accidentally call Ahmedis martyrs. If he had accidentally called Ahmedis martyrs there would have been an apology from his office within minutes.

Please make no mistake about this, talking about Germany and Japan sharing a border might be excused as a slip of tongue, however Imran Khan's views on OBL and Al Qaeda are there for everyone to see from his past interviews. He never considered OBL a terrorist.

Completely unfair to blame him for the awful situation that Ahmadeis are in right now. You start with Bhutto, in getting a constitutional amendment passed on who could be considered a Muslim. Then Zia. And now its political suicide if you try changing that.

He couldn't even get an Ahmadi appointed as as economic advisor, because of the intolerance of a lot of Pakistanis, and dog whistle politics by the opposition.

 

[uberkoen]

Completely unfair to blame him for the awful situation that Ahmadeis are in right now. You start with Bhutto, in getting a constitutional amendment passed on who could be considered a Muslim. Then Zia. And now its political suicide if you try changing that.

He couldn't even get an Ahmadi appointed as as economic advisor, because of the intolerance of a lot of Pakistanis, and dog whistle politics by the opposition.

You completely misunderstood what I said. I'm not blaming him for the Ahmedi problem. I'm saying had he referred to an Ahmedi as a martyr there would be an apology issued immediately and a PR campaign out in full force explaining how it was a slip of tongue whereas in this case nothing is happening and hence PTI trolls should stop hiding behind the 'slop of tongue' excuse.

 

[MenInG]

Donald Trump of the east continues his buffoonery and making a mockery of Pakistan.

What exactly is the issue that you have identified?

 

[uberkoen]

What exactly is the issue that you have identified?

You think there is no issue with referring to OBL as a shaheed? If OBL is a shaheed then how do we refer to the people who lost their lives either fighting against terrorist organisations or becoming victims of their activities?

 

[MRSN]

What exactly is the issue that you have identified?

I have read your posts and you seem to make it a non issue. Also you believe in the hype of this being a liberal issue. Do you care about 70,000 people who lost their lives to the terrorists grown and nurtured by these pathetic humans that you and some of others including our PM makes hero? Do you know these 20 years have seen so much violence, inflation, unemployment and lives lost because of terrorism and these people are the founder of terrorism. Osama Bin laden was the founder of terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This guy was the main support of terrorists becausr he provided them with aid and funding without that terrorists would not have been able to cause destruction that we have seen in 20 years.

It's amazing that human beings are debating on terrorists being a shaheed in 21st century.

 

[MRSN]

You think there is no issue with referring to OBL as a shaheed? If OBL is a shaheed then how do we refer to the people who lost their lives either fighting against terrorist organisations or becoming victims of their activities?

one thing I have noticed is that it is mostly Pakistanis who live outside Pakistan come to defend these terrorists by giving us excuses and making it controversial what is obiviously a fact. This has to be because these people have not witnessed violence and destruction that we have seen in the last 20 years. They probably defend them because these terrorists use name of Islam and call their barbarism as Jihad against Kafirs but they kill innocent people and their actions have so far done nothing but killed economy of our country and it has affected a lot of common people. They deserve a special place in hell for killing innocent people and here we see bunch of western Pakistanis defending them and debating about their status after their coward deaths.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You think there is no issue with referring to OBL as a shaheed? If OBL is a shaheed then how do we refer to the people who lost their lives either fighting against terrorist organisations or becoming victims of their activities?

Shaheed. This is a Pakistani term whereas terrorist is an American invented one to defend their own.

 

[uberkoen]

Shaheed. This is a Pakistani term whereas terrorist is an American invented one to defend their own.

Not sure what your point is here. Shaheed is not a Pakistani term. It's an Arabic word which means martyr. Are you saying referring to OBL as a martyr is correct?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not sure what your point is here. Shaheed is not a Pakistani term. It's an Arabic word which means martyr. Are you saying referring to OBL as a martyr is correct?

Shaheed is a Pakistani term as it is an Islamic country. If you don't think shaheed is a Pakistani term what would you suggest as a more ethnically acceptable term?

 

[uberkoen]

Shaheed is a Pakistani term as it is an Islamic country. If you don't think shaheed is a Pakistani term what would you suggest as a more ethnically acceptable term?

Again, are you saying referring to OBL as 'Shaheed' is correct? What is the point you're trying to make?

Shaheed means martyr. So you're saying Imran Khan calling OBL a martyr is correct?

He used the correct term initially when he said "Maar dia". That would have been sufficient.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Again, are you saying referring to OBL as 'Shaheed' is correct? What is the point you're trying to make?

Shaheed means martyr. So you're saying Imran Khan calling OBL a martyr is correct?

He used the correct term initially when he said "Maar dia". That would have been sufficient.

So you agree terrorist isn't a correct term ethnically for the people of that locale in Pakistan. Then you will understand the rest of my point.

 

[uberkoen]

So you agree terrorist isn't a correct term ethnically for the people of that locale in Pakistan. Then you will understand the rest of my point.

I really don't understand the point you're trying to make. Are you justifying the use of the word shaheed for OBL? You keep avoiding the question. It's a simple yes/no question.

In your opinion, is it correct to refer to OBL as 'Shaheed'. Yes or No?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I really don't understand the point you're trying to make. Are you justifying the use of the word shaheed for OBL? You keep avoiding the question. It's a simple yes/no question.

In your opinion, is it correct to refer to OBL as 'Shaheed'. Yes or No?

I am not avoiding your question as in my view IK didn't refer to OBL as shaheed. You need to provide an actual translation of his speech if you want me to answer your loaded question.

 

[uberkoen]

I am not avoiding your question as in my view IK didn't refer to OBL as shaheed. You need to provide an actual translation of his speech if you want me to answer your loaded question.

In your view? Man, what are you talking about? Have you seen the video? He literally says "Osama ko Abbotabad mien Maar diya ... Shaheed kar dia"

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing because it seems as though you have't even seen the video nor have any understanding of what the connotations of the word 'Shaheed' are.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In your view? Man, what are you talking about? Have you seen the video? He literally says "Osama ko Abbotabad mien Maar diya ... Shaheed kar dia"

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing because it seems as though you have't even seen the video nor have any understanding of what the connotations of the word 'Shaheed' are.

It would seem the Pakistani public don't accept unauthorised OBL killing by foreigners on Pakistani territory was justified. In that context I fully understand IK's context that Americans turned OBL into a shaheed. Assuming that the US version of the OBL death was even genuine of course as a body was never produced.

 

[uberkoen]

It would seem the Pakistani public don't accept unauthorised OBL killing by foreigners on Pakistani territory was justified. In that context I fully understand IK's context that Americans turned OBL into a shaheed. Assuming that the US version of the OBL death was even genuine of course as a body was never produced.

Unauthorized killing does not make him a shaheed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Unauthorized killing does not make him a shaheed.

It's all subjective, many Pakistanis would not even accept OBL as a Muslim.