Imran Khan calls Osama Bin Laden a “shaheed” in parliament

[MRSN]

It would seem the Pakistani public don't accept unauthorised OBL killing by foreigners on Pakistani territory was justified. In that context I fully understand IK's context that Americans turned OBL into a shaheed. Assuming that the US version of the OBL death was even genuine of course as a body was never produced.

Imran Khan's whole narrative on Talibans is different. He doesn't consider them terrorists. He thinks they are freedom fighters fighting for the land occupied by Americans. You have to understand his philosophy. It's nothing to do with Americans invading and killing him. He doesn't believe he was a terrorist. I think you have big time confusion understanding this so here is a clear context what I am saying.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do you consider Usama Bin Laden a terrorist ?<br>We asked Imran khan sb back in 2016 <a href="https://t.co/b34BeOH954">pic.twitter.com/b34BeOH954</a></p>— Waseem Badami (@WaseemBadami) <a href="https://twitter.com/WaseemBadami/status/1276132567998173184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


You see. Imran Khan just bypass simple question that would have supported your argument but that's not the case. Imran Khan has similar belief about Talibans as majority of people who are brainwashed about Talibans being some freedom fighters and Jihadi people. But any Muslim or any Pakistani who understands everything and has no bias would not call them as Mujahideen or freedom fighters.

 

[Mamoon]

Imran Khan's whole narrative on Talibans is different. He doesn't consider them terrorists. He thinks they are freedom fighters fighting for the land occupied by Americans. You have to understand his philosophy. It's nothing to do with Americans invading and killing him. He doesn't believe he was a terrorist. I think you have big time confusion understanding this so here is a clear context what I am saying.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do you consider Usama Bin Laden a terrorist ?<br>We asked Imran khan sb back in 2016 <a href="https://t.co/b34BeOH954">pic.twitter.com/b34BeOH954</a></p>— Waseem Badami (@WaseemBadami) <a href="https://twitter.com/WaseemBadami/status/1276132567998173184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


You see. Imran Khan just bypass simple question that would have supported your argument but that's not the case. Imran Khan has similar belief about Talibans as majority of people who are brainwashed about Talibans being some freedom fighters and Jihadi people. But any Muslim or any Pakistani who understands everything and has no bias would not call them as Mujahideen or freedom fighters.

Imran openly criticized Pakistan military for their Taliban policy. He criticized operations against them and accused Pakistan military of extra-judicial killings. All of this is documented.

His stance changed when the military decided to make him their new puppet. If that wasn’t the case, I guarantee you that he would also be supporting PTM.

 

[topspin]

It's all subjective, many Pakistanis would not even accept OBL as a Muslim.

That wasn't the case when he was killed. A lot of mosques across the country held Janazah prayers and locals flocked in attendance to give their respects to who Imran Khan considers to be a "shaheed".

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Imran Khan's whole narrative on Talibans is different. He doesn't consider them terrorists. He thinks they are freedom fighters fighting for the land occupied by Americans. You have to understand his philosophy. It's nothing to do with Americans invading and killing him. He doesn't believe he was a terrorist. I think you have big time confusion understanding this so here is a clear context what I am saying.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do you consider Usama Bin Laden a terrorist ?<br>We asked Imran khan sb back in 2016 <a href="https://t.co/b34BeOH954">pic.twitter.com/b34BeOH954</a></p>— Waseem Badami (@WaseemBadami) <a href="https://twitter.com/WaseemBadami/status/1276132567998173184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


You see. Imran Khan just bypass simple question that would have supported your argument but that's not the case. Imran Khan has similar belief about Talibans as majority of people who are brainwashed about Talibans being some freedom fighters and Jihadi people. But any Muslim or any Pakistani who understands everything and has no bias would not call them as Mujahideen or freedom fighters.

How is that different to what I was already saying? I already expressed that for many Pakistanis who only understand simple terms, OBL was not a terrorist, they never experienced any terror from his organisation directly. I am sure if the twin towers had been in Pakistan it would have been different. Assuming of course that there was evidence to pinpoint him as he himself never took responsibility for 9/11, the magical date which corresponds with the American emergency services telephone number.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That wasn't the case when he was killed. A lot of mosques across the country held Janazah prayers and locals flocked in attendance to give their respects to who Imran Khan considers to be a "shaheed".

Which is why I said many rather than all. Try telling irreligious Muslims or Shias, or Ahmadis that OBL was shaheed.

 

[topspin]

one thing I have noticed is that it is mostly Pakistanis who live outside Pakistan come to defend these terrorists by giving us excuses and making it controversial what is obiviously a fact. This has to be because these people have not witnessed violence and destruction that we have seen in the last 20 years. They probably defend them because these terrorists use name of Islam and call their barbarism as Jihad against Kafirs but they kill innocent people and their actions have so far done nothing but killed economy of our country and it has affected a lot of common people. They deserve a special place in hell for killing innocent people and here we see bunch of western Pakistanis defending them and debating about their status after their coward deaths.

Very well said and unfortunately it's true that a lot of these views are coming from overseas Pakistanis who have no idea of the ground realities of how Pakistan (and other Muslim countries) have suffered at the hands of terrorism.

Defending terrorism and what IK said is the very definition of a terrorist sympathiser.

Then you have those with their conspiracy theories who use these as a coping mechanism but the truth of the matter is it comes across as victim mentality.

Muslims who hold this type of thought process ought to know that the first step in being radicalised is actually possessing this type of victim mentality.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Now I've heard it all. So it's overseas Pakistanis who are responsible for home based Pakistanis viewing OBL as shaheed. This is the type of nonsense that brainwashed patriot apologists will come up with.

 

[Minnowbasher]

AHAHAHA this is actually hilarious
Dunno if it genuinely was a slip of the tongue or he was being serious, regardless, he should not comment on such people. The biggest problem with imran khan is he sometimes comments on things he has no clue about. He clearly didnt realise the effect that this one statement might have on Pakistan.

 

[topspin]

Where did you get that 90% figure from?

Ask yourself how many mosques held Janazahs across Pakistan and how many flocked to pay their respects to OBL.

 

[topspin]

Now I've heard it all. So it's overseas Pakistanis who are responsible for home based Pakistanis viewing OBL as shaheed [/B]. This is the type of nonsense that brainwashed patriot apologists will come up with.

Didn't utter anything of the sort.

As for your last sentence, is it not true that you are a brown sahib yourself?

 

[Technics 1210]

I am not avoiding your question as in my view IK didn't refer to OBL as shaheed. You need to provide an actual translation of his speech if you want me to answer your loaded question.

Mate, you are wasting your time. Most of these people have neither heard the speech in full context, nor understood the precontext. IK was clearly refering to the point of Amreeka turning OBL into a Martyr - he simply followed on from Obama's point - post raid burial.

 

[Technics 1210]

Now I've heard it all. So it's overseas Pakistanis who are responsible for home based Pakistanis viewing OBL as shaheed. This is the type of nonsense that brainwashed patriot apologists will come up with.

Most people cannot think for themselves, which is why they look up to Amreeka for approval.

OBL - hero to terrorist.
Mandela - terrorist to statesman.
Martin M - terrorist to sainthood.

Sheeple will embrace the last 2 with open arms.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Didn't utter anything of the sort.

As for your last sentence, is it not true that you are a brown sahib yourself?

If you mean brown Englishman yes. If you mean brown bootlicker then that would be the ones who think US terminology should apply all over the world and everyone should gratefully accept it with a cheery head nod and thanks.

 

[KingKhanWC]

How do you know the tapes are fake? For that to happen, the CIA would have had to collude with Al-Jazeera and use deep-fake technology that I doubt even existed in 2006. This is the article below -

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/world/middleeast/08tape.html

I cant open it but no need. A 2007 video was the same as a 2004 video, same clothes, same desk, same studio, same face make up etc. CIA released it to the public knowing this is fake.



OBL ceased being an asset for the US after the Soviet-Afghan war.

The WTC collapsed after the fires weakened the steel beams, each floor kept collapsing quickly onto the preceding floor and whoosh - the lowest floors gave away & the whole tower collapsed.

If you're thinking explosives were secretly used by Mossad lol, that would need explosions immediately prior to the collapse. None were seen and no series of explosions were heard prior to the collapse.

OBL's family were the only non US military and non US government people to fly out on 911. AFter the Afghan war the US, Pakistani intelligence still had contacts with all. You have no proof he wasn't in contact with the US.

Office fires lol. NIST has been thrased to bits, they have changed their story and WT7 wasn't even mentioned in the 911 commission. No building such as this is has EVER fallen at free fall speed due to office fires, others which were hit and damaged more didnt.

As for Mossad, the only people to be arrested on 911 were Israelis.

 

[Napa]

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Suggests Osama Bin Laden Was a Martyr
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/world/asia/pakistan-imran-khan-bin-laden-martyr.html

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Imran Khan criticised after calling Osama Bin Laden a 'martyr'

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53190199

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Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan says the U.S. "martyred" Osama bin Laden

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan-says-u-s-martyred-osama-bin-laden/

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Pakistan’s Prime Minister Dubs Osama Bin Laden a ‘Martyr’: What Now?
The statement brings to the fore uncomfortable truths.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/06/pakistans-prime-minister-dubs-osama-bin-laden-a-martyr-what-now/

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Osama bin Laden was 'martyred' says Imran Khan

Imran Khan's comments were not the first controversial remarks he has made about Pakistan's role in the war on terror after 9/11

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/25/osama-bin-laden-martyred-says-imran-khan/

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Pakistan's Prime Minister Says U.S. 'Martyred' Osama bin Laden

https://time.com/5860138/pakistan-imran-khan-osama-bin-laden-martyred/

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IK can have his personal opinions, but his words as head of state will have impact on Pakistan. All media have reported this. He should be careful with words even if he doesn't see Bin Laden as terrorist.

This is just what Pakistan needs to have the Western multinationals dump Vietnam and Taiwan as their favored FDI destinations and head to Pakistan instead to set up their manufacturing plants and R&D centers.

Add the occasional threats of nuclear war with India, and the future is fantastic for the Pakistan's economy with IK at the helm now that he has assured Western investors that their investments will be totally secure.

 

[BreadPakoda]

What an idiot. He’s lucky that he’s not important enough to be trending world wide. Although I did see a couple of articles on this.

 

[topspin]

What an idiot. He’s lucky that he’s not important enough to be trending world wide. Although I did see a couple of articles on this.

Agreed, if he was relevant even in the slightest, there would surely be global outrage.

 

[Thomaskutty]

If you really believe the kak you do you then you would've explained the absense of evidence along with the logic behind attacking Iraq and Afghanistan after 911.

I've pointed to evidence in post #135.

The logic behind attacking Afghanistan was that it was the Taliban stronghold where OBL was hiding out. The Iraq war was a bad decision and most americans today have come to realise that. But I don't know how that disproves any link btw OBL and 9/11.

 

[Technics 1210]

I've pointed to evidence in post #135.

The logic behind attacking Afghanistan was that it was the Taliban stronghold where OBL was hiding out. The Iraq war was a bad decision and most americans today have come to realise that. But I don't know how that disproves any link btw OBL and 9/11.

You call that logic when it is claimed by the US government that most of the perpetrators of 911 were Saudis? Are you for real?

Were you alive and aware in the 90s during the gulf war? If not, you got no idea what you are talking about, and the evidence you cite has about as much weight as the 911 commision report.

Oh by the way, be sure to read up on the dancing Israelis on 911.

 

[Rajdeep]

The writing is on the wall: Pakistan’s Imran Khan govt is on the edge of collapse

Pakistan's government led by Prime Minister Imran Khan seems to be on the edge of collapse. Internal divisions in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, or PTI, have become so intense that it is no longer possible to keep them under wraps. Senior government ministers are openly accusing their cabinet colleagues of backstabbing, conspiracy and breach of trust. Within the government, there are multiple fault lines, which are likely to increase by the day. This leaves the PTI government structurally vulnerable to being pushed around by the more professional and organised institution – the Pakistan Army, which has become significantly more assertive.

According to media reports, at a crucial cabinet meeting recently, PM Imran Khan had to intervene to stop ministers from hurling allegations against one another. The immediate reason for the cabinet meeting, in which Khan advised his ministers not to discuss the party’s internal issues in open forums, was an explosive interview given by Federal Minister for Science and Technology, Fawad Chaudhry.

https://theprint.in/opinion/the-wri...-khan-govt-is-on-the-edge-of-collapse/450521/

Is there any truth in this [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] or its just Indian media's petty wish?

 

[Bigboii]

The writing is on the wall: Pakistan’s Imran Khan govt is on the edge of collapse

Pakistan's government led by Prime Minister Imran Khan seems to be on the edge of collapse. Internal divisions in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, or PTI, have become so intense that it is no longer possible to keep them under wraps. Senior government ministers are openly accusing their cabinet colleagues of backstabbing, conspiracy and breach of trust. Within the government, there are multiple fault lines, which are likely to increase by the day. This leaves the PTI government structurally vulnerable to being pushed around by the more professional and organised institution – the Pakistan Army, which has become significantly more assertive.

According to media reports, at a crucial cabinet meeting recently, PM Imran Khan had to intervene to stop ministers from hurling allegations against one another. The immediate reason for the cabinet meeting, in which Khan advised his ministers not to discuss the party’s internal issues in open forums, was an explosive interview given by Federal Minister for Science and Technology, Fawad Chaudhry.

https://theprint.in/opinion/the-wri...-khan-govt-is-on-the-edge-of-collapse/450521/

Is there any truth in this [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] or its just Indian media's petty wish?

No I don't think so military is still cool with IK I think and who will they bring PMLN is largely out maybe PPP I hope not

 

[uberkoen]

The writing is on the wall: Pakistan’s Imran Khan govt is on the edge of collapse

Pakistan's government led by Prime Minister Imran Khan seems to be on the edge of collapse. Internal divisions in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, or PTI, have become so intense that it is no longer possible to keep them under wraps. Senior government ministers are openly accusing their cabinet colleagues of backstabbing, conspiracy and breach of trust. Within the government, there are multiple fault lines, which are likely to increase by the day. This leaves the PTI government structurally vulnerable to being pushed around by the more professional and organised institution – the Pakistan Army, which has become significantly more assertive.

According to media reports, at a crucial cabinet meeting recently, PM Imran Khan had to intervene to stop ministers from hurling allegations against one another. The immediate reason for the cabinet meeting, in which Khan advised his ministers not to discuss the party’s internal issues in open forums, was an explosive interview given by Federal Minister for Science and Technology, Fawad Chaudhry.

https://theprint.in/opinion/the-wri...-khan-govt-is-on-the-edge-of-collapse/450521/

Is there any truth in this [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] or its just Indian media's petty wish?

Stop reading tabloid.

 

[Major]

Must say Imran speeches are getting pretty impressive and convincing me of his success, but desperate people will always will look for needle in haystack to find something to attack him with. I have never been much interested in politics but Im glad it is Imran that is leading the country. As for OBL was killed or martyred in Imran Khan's views, who cares as long as OBL was not the enemy of Pakistan.

Wow. Who cares?

The guy who facilitated the killings of people in pakistan.

Who cares?

 

[Thomaskutty]

You call that logic when it is claimed by the US government that most of the perpetrators of 911 were Saudis? Are you for real? Were you alive and aware in the 90s during the gulf war?

So what if they were ethnically saudis .. the Saudis weren't hiding OBL post-9/11, the Taliban were.

I was alive during the Gulf war, was in my pre-teens in fact and living in Dubai .. so very much in the thick of it and many of us were glued to CNN in those few months back then. Again I am not sure what this has to do with anything.

Oh by the way, be sure to read up on the dancing Israelis on 911.

Give me the full picture of what you believe happened that day.. instead of mentioning some vague consp.theories about dancing israelis.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

a three page thread on an innocent mistake. the hatred of Imran Khan is so strong among so many.

 

[Last Monetarist]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reporter: Is Osama Bin Laden a martyr?? <br>Shah Mehmood Qureshi, the great orator, thought about it hard and then let that pass.<a href="https://t.co/Opgcq2ypQI">pic.twitter.com/Opgcq2ypQI</a></p>— Waseem Abbasi (@Wabbasi007) <a href="https://twitter.com/Wabbasi007/status/1406553455301382154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2306331/pm-imrans-obl-remarks-played-up-by-a-section-of-media-qureshi

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has said that Prime Minister Imran Khan's last year statement related to slain al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was quoted out of the context.

“Out of context… he was quoted out of context. And, a particular section of the media played it up,” said Qureshi when Afghanistan’s Tolo News anchor said PM Imran had called Osama bin Laden a ‘martyr’.

The interviewer then asked Qureshi if he considered Bin Laden a martyr. “I will let that pass,” the foreign minister responded after a brief pause.

Last year, the prime minister while addressing the National Assembly session had said that Pakistan had to face humiliation when US forces came to Abbottabad and “killed, martyred” Osama bin Laden.

PM Imran’s apparent slip of the tongue stirred a controversy with opposition parties lashing out at him for using the word martyr for Bin Laden.

His political communication aide, Shahbaz Gill termed the criticism as an “unwarranted attempt” to create a controversy.

“Referring to PM’s speech in NA today, it is clarified that PM twice used the word ‘killed’ for Osama bin Laden. An unwarranted attempt is being made at home/abroad with a clear intent to make his remarks controversial unnecessarily,” Gill wrote on his official Twitter handle.

 

[gazza619]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reporter: Is Osama Bin Laden a martyr?? <br>Shah Mehmood Qureshi, the great orator, thought about it hard and then let that pass.<a href="https://t.co/Opgcq2ypQI">pic.twitter.com/Opgcq2ypQI</a></p>— Waseem Abbasi (@Wabbasi007) <a href="https://twitter.com/Wabbasi007/status/1406553455301382154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2306331/pm-imrans-obl-remarks-played-up-by-a-section-of-media-qureshi

A very weak response.

 

[Bhaijaan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reporter: Is Osama Bin Laden a martyr?? <br>Shah Mehmood Qureshi, the great orator, thought about it hard and then let that pass.<a href="https://t.co/Opgcq2ypQI">pic.twitter.com/Opgcq2ypQI</a></p>— Waseem Abbasi (@Wabbasi007) <a href="https://twitter.com/Wabbasi007/status/1406553455301382154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2306331/pm-imrans-obl-remarks-played-up-by-a-section-of-media-qureshi

A straight forward yes or no would not have looked as bad. Such a lame and weak response.