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CNN)Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan has dodged a question on the reported detention of as many as two million Muslims in the western Chinese region of Xinjiang, saying he "didn't know much" about the issue.

In an interview with the Financial Times released on Wednesday, the leader of the mainly Muslim nation was questioned about his stance on the mass detention centers where many of China's Muslim-majority Uyghurs have been sent. Activists and former detainees say the camps are designed to eradicate Uyghur culture and Muslim religious practices.

"Frankly, I don't know much about that," said Khan, whose government is a major beneficiary of Chinese aid.
When pressed, he said the Muslim world was going through "its worst phase" but demurred on Beijing's crackdown in Xinjiang. "If I had enough knowledge I would speak about it. It is not so much in the papers," he said.

The Chinese government has been fiercely criticized, mainly by Western countries, over its Xinjiang camps. US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called on Beijing to "release all arbitrarily detained" Uyghurs after meeting with survivors on Wednesday.

In February, Turkey became one of the first major Muslim nations to denounce the camps, describing them as a "great shame for humanity."

But other Muslim-majority countries with close economic and diplomatic links to China -- including Saudi Arabia, Malaysia and significantly Pakistan -- have refrained from speaking out.

One of the world's largest Muslim nations, Pakistan has been a longtime friend and trading partner of Beijing -- their relationship is often described by Chinese diplomats as an "all-weather friendship."

Pakistan has also benefited greatly from Chinese infrastructure spending, as part of President Xi Jinping's global Belt and Road initiative, and is one of Beijing's biggest arms buyers.

Between 2008 and 2017, Islamabad purchased more than $6 billion of Chinese weaponry, according to think tank CSIS.

Khan's comments to the FT mirror remarks he made to TRT World in January, when he said he "didn't know the exact situation" in Xinjiang. Instead, he praised Beijing for its assistance since he came to power in 2018.

"I can tell you one thing, the Chinese have been a breath of fresh air for us ... They have been extremely helpful to us," he said, adding there were some areas of assistance China wanted to keep "confidential."

China has acknowledged the existence of the camps, but disputes the number of people held in them. It has repeatedly denied reports of torture and brainwashing inside the Xinjiang facilities, saying they are voluntary "vocational training centers" designed to combat extremism.

On Thursday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said the US should stop attacking the Chinese government over Xinjiang, adding that its re-education program was "fully supported by people of all ethnic groups."

But multiple witnesses from inside the camps describe facilities resembling prisons, physical and mental abuse, and compulsory rote lessons in Communist Party propaganda.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/28/asia/imran-khan-china-uyghur-intl/index.html
 
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What can he say? The state that Zardari and the Sharifs left Pakistan in; it would be stupid to upset our good ally. We cant afford to do that.
 
What can he say? The state that Zardari and the Sharifs left Pakistan in; it would be stupid to upset our good ally. We cant afford to do that.

and we could afford to to mess with Israel?
 
There is a strong anti Chinese sentiment growing in Gilgit Baltistan. Thousands of Pakistani men have married Uyghur women over several decades. Estimates saying 350-400 women and children currently locked up. At the very least, IK needs to use diplomatic back channels to free these women and children.

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistani-hus...ighur-wives-face-chinese-crackdown/a-47540441
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-free-wives-trapped-in-xinjiang-idUSKCN1M51R7
https://www.dawn.com/news/1451965
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/15/6617...akistanis-fear-for-uighur-wives-held-in-china
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas...-trigger-protests-in-islamic-world-1538040605
 
Yes IK should start sorting world problems now that everything is good in Pakistan.
 
Yes IK should start sorting world problems now that everything is good in Pakistan.

Brilliant reply . How does anyone know that he has not spoken to China quietly? When has any Muslim country spoken about Kashmiris?
 
Israel is not helping Pakistan nor is a neighbour. You made an irrelevant comparison.

logically we could benefit from them if we allow embassey open up.

We just wanna kiss up to the Arabs thats all.

Admit it, Pakistani's dont care about Palestinians, if they really cared for the muslim cause than they would ahd cared for the Chinese muslims aswell.

This is pure politics.

This is the hypocrisy of our govts, that we will have problem with israel oppressing muslims, but not China.

EIther boycott both or have relations with both, Israel could benefit us way more.

And its not like we havent benefitted from Israel in the past
 
logically we could benefit from them if we allow embassey open up.

We just wanna kiss up to the Arabs thats all.

Admit it, Pakistani's dont care about Palestinians, if they really cared for the muslim cause than they would ahd cared for the Chinese muslims aswell.

This is pure politics.

This is the hypocrisy of our govts, that we will have problem with israel oppressing muslims, but not China.

EIther boycott both or have relations with both, Israel could benefit us way more.

And its not like we havent benefitted from Israel in the past

Agree with this completely. It is painful to observe our hypocrisy. I look forward to the day we open up relations with Israel and develop a relationship of mutual benefit.
 
So if he pokes his nose for Chinese Muslims, we lose benefits then same people above will be on his head etc

He is a shrewd person and is doing what's best for Pakistan.

We improve ourselves first then we look outwards to help the Ummah - else you become Iran.
 
logically we could benefit from them if we allow embassey open up.

We just wanna kiss up to the Arabs thats all.

Admit it, Pakistani's dont care about Palestinians, if they really cared for the muslim cause than they would ahd cared for the Chinese muslims aswell.

This is pure politics.

This is the hypocrisy of our govts, that we will have problem with israel oppressing muslims, but not China.

EIther boycott both or have relations with both, Israel could benefit us way more.

And its not like we havent benefitted from Israel in the past

How can you be so ungrateful, China is protecting the world famous terrorists Masood Ahzar :)
 
and we could afford to to mess with Israel?

Israel has been in war with many Muslim countries and has illegally occupied Muslim land. Israel is helping India with warfare and security against Pakistan, is China doing the same or instead helping Pakistan to develop into a strong nation.
 
Some people will defend anything and everything that Imran does or says. It has reached a point where it is not funny anymore.

You simply have to feel sorry for those who are enslaved by their devotion to a man who in their minds, is incapable of doing or saying something wrong. They have also developed the art of missing the point almost every time.

The problem is not why Imran deflected the question; the problem is how he did it.

He was nervous, hesitant and the best that he could do was to mumble "I don't know". He did not expect this question and he was not ready to be put on the spot like this. He was all over the place because he did not want to say something that would upset China.

His reaction/response was akin to a student who is not paying attention in class, but is called out by the professor to repeat what was just explained.

Imran forgot that this is not Pakistani media where their scripts will be screened by GHQ to eliminate inconvenient questions. International media will ask tough questions and call us out on our hypocrisy.

We take great pride in how we care about the plight of Muslims unlike some other countries, but our empathy is fake. It is very clear that when it comes to political and financial interests, we couldn't care less about the sufferings of Muslims. Our concern for Muslims is for show only - the real reason is to gain political leverage, and that is why we pretend that we care about the sufferings of the people of J&K.

There is no absolutely nothing wrong with that. What happens to Muslims in other countries is not our problem, but at least our public should be honest about it. Our keyboard warriors and others should accept the fact that the narrative of our government that we are fighting for human rights of the Kashmiris is nonsense. Kashmir is just a pawn in our battle for power and supremacy with India.

Imran and Pakistan have little choice but to defend the atrocities of China, a country that has us on a leash. However, he needs to do his homework and defend/deflect the question with more confidence and conviction in the future. We are only making ourselves look bad with meek responses like "frankly I don't know" etc. etc.

Nevertheless, this was an important lesson for Imran. Hopefully, he will be better rehearsed for future interviews in international media.
 
Where were these cries for Chinese Muslims when NS and Zardari were in charge, why suddenly when Imran is PM some poster's conscious has woken for Muslim brothers in China?
 
@ Mamoon
Big difference Pak supporting Kashmiris and not raising voice in public atleast for Chinese Muslims.
Part of Kashmir is in Pakistan, and Kashmiris care about Kashmiris in IOK. Pakistan has an obligation to help Kashmiris not only for the sand from their AJK population but allso as IOk is still unresolved region in UN, and both Pak and India need to resolve it. We have no such obligation with Chinese Muslims or Muslims anywhere in the world. As I said b4 why we this has just become an issue now when Imran is PM?
Imranh handled an awkward conscious well without saying anything that will openly criticise our strongest ally. Have you not noticed how quiet UK been in past about USA or Israel when they caused deaths of innocent people?
 
Israel has been in war with many Muslim countries and has illegally occupied Muslim land. Israel is helping India with warfare and security against Pakistan, is China doing the same or instead helping Pakistan to develop into a strong nation.

so China oppressing Muslims is ok?

Israel is at war with those countries as those countries have also decalred war on israel.

Israel has also helped Pakistan with warefare in the past.

Zia ul haq's govt use to buy weapons for Taliban from the Israelis
 
Where were these cries for Chinese Muslims when NS and Zardari were in charge, why suddenly when Imran is PM some poster's conscious has woken for Muslim brothers in China?

:facepalm:

I have been saying the same thing even during their govt.
 
@ Mamoon
Big difference Pak supporting Kashmiris and not raising voice in public atleast for Chinese Muslims.
Part of Kashmir is in Pakistan, and Kashmiris care about Kashmiris in IOK. Pakistan has an obligation to help Kashmiris not only for the sand from their AJK population but allso as IOk is still unresolved region in UN, and both Pak and India need to resolve it. We have no such obligation with Chinese Muslims or Muslims anywhere in the world. As I said b4 why we this has just become an issue now when Imran is PM?
Imranh handled an awkward conscious well without saying anything that will openly criticise our strongest ally. Have you not noticed how quiet UK been in past about USA or Israel when they caused deaths of innocent people?

The people of Pakistan, especially the people of AJK have genuine concerns for the sufferings in J&K. However, I was talking about our establishment and not the public.

Our general public will feel strongly about the plight of Chinese Muslims as well, but most of them are unaware of what is happening because our media and press are not allowed to write and talk about it.

As far as our establishment is concerned, we need to understand that in order for them to run the country, we need to have hostile relations with India always be in an inactive state of war.

The military of a country that has peaceful relations with other countries can never be in a position to undermine civil supremacy.

As a result, J&K represents a tool for our establishment to engage India. If they cared about their land and their people, they would have not mercilessly butchered Bangladeshis.

Our crimes in East Pakistan are no less - if not greater - than the crimes of India in J&K.

If the military did not rule the country, the Kashmir issue would have been resolved long ago, but it is in the best interests of our establishment to ensure that the status quo is maintained in the region.

As far as the UN resolution is concerned, the first point of the resolution is for Pakistan to withdraw its forces from LoC. Why do you think that has not happened yet and will not happen in the future?

If our government orders Bajwa to withdraw our troops so that the UN resolution can be implemented, what do you think will happen?

The PTI government will sign its death note, and suddenly cases of corruption will emerge against Imran (the foreign funding case is ripe for the establishment to use against him in the future) and members of the cabinet, and they will be disqualified and sent packing based on technicalities, and a party that will be subservient to the establishment will be installed in power.

Furthermore, Imran did not handle the question well. The question was not awkward but his response surely was. He was stumped by the question and his response reeked of nervousness and discomfort.
 
If our government orders Bajwa to withdraw our troops so that the UN resolution can be implemented, what do you think will happen?

The PTI government will sign its death note, and suddenly cases of corruption will emerge against Imran (the foreign funding case is ripe for the establishment to use against him in the future) and members of the cabinet, and they will be disqualified and sent packing based on technicalities, and a party that will be subservient to the establishment will be installed in power.

Furthermore, Imran did not handle the question well. The question was not awkward but his response surely was. He was stumped by the question and his response reeked of nervousness and discomfort.
:) you bring back memories of when the PMLN govt asked the army to take action agianst TLP, and we all know what was the army's response

Fast Foward to PTI's govt and when the same request was made, Army cleared every chowk in Islamabad/Rawalpindi.
 
logically we could benefit from them if we allow embassey open up.

We just wanna kiss up to the Arabs thats all.

Admit it, Pakistani's dont care about Palestinians, if they really cared for the muslim cause than they would ahd cared for the Chinese muslims aswell.

This is pure politics.

This is the hypocrisy of our govts, that we will have problem with israel oppressing muslims, but not China.

Either boycott both or have relations with both, Israel could benefit us way more.

And its not like we havent benefitted from Israel in the past

In that case we might have to boycott over half the world and actually whole world should boycott each other. In that case, why don't we boycott Saudi Arabia & UAE for Yemen? Why don't we boycott Turkey, Iran, US, Russia etc for Syria? There go all your so called friendly countries, is that how how world diplomacy works?

Mistreatment of Muslims is China obviously needs to be condemned but do you even understand what boycott really means? And then comparison with Israel lol, i don't know if you are being serious there.
 
Nooras on here are being disingenuois as ever- they are hurting that Ind couldn't give us a bloody nose,they were hurting that the crown Prince came and offered help to prevent bankruptcy( their looting created), and now they want PK to destroy it's relationship with their only ally. But PK must use any small influence they have with the Chinese because what the Chinese are doing is disgusting
 
Pakistan is not the custodian of all Muslims around the world. Had it been specific to say Pakistanis in China, then IK should speak up.

Lack of an answer from a politican is not exclusive to IK, it is pertinent in all politicians around the world - this is why the sphere is called politics. Just go ask Modi on why he did not react to Non-Hindu Indians being persecuted IN India.
 
Reasons behind this thread:

1. Imran's growing popularity amongst the population. Usually governments start to become unpopular as time passes but for IK the reverse is happening.

2. Governments foreign policy decisions have been better than any Pak government since Ayub Khan.

3. Massive investment flows from China, Saudi, UAE and everyday we get news of some new investor meeting PM.

4. Pakistan's victory in the mini war with India

5. News of a large oil deposit of the coast of Karachi

6. Tightening noose around the necks of the corrupt mafia.




All of these things make it very unlikely that the PML-N or PPP are going to come back to power in the next election or even the one after that. This is why you see desperation from those who have thrived on the support from these corrupt mafias.
 
Reasons behind this thread:

1. Imran's growing popularity amongst the population. Usually governments start to become unpopular as time passes but for IK the reverse is happening.

2. Governments foreign policy decisions have been better than any Pak government since Ayub Khan.

3. Massive investment flows from China, Saudi, UAE and everyday we get news of some new investor meeting PM.

4. Pakistan's victory in the mini war with India

5. News of a large oil deposit of the coast of Karachi

6. Tightening noose around the necks of the corrupt mafia.




All of these things make it very unlikely that the PML-N or PPP are going to come back to power in the next election or even the one after that. This is why you see desperation from those who have thrived on the support from these corrupt mafias.

Spot on brother.

We need a like/love post function!
 
Pakistan is not the custodian of all Muslims around the world. Had it been specific to say Pakistanis in China, then IK should speak up.

Lack of an answer from a politican is not exclusive to IK, it is pertinent in all politicians around the world - this is why the sphere is called politics. Just go ask Modi on why he did not react to Non-Hindu Indians being persecuted IN India.

Then why do Pakistanis care so much about Kashmir and Palestine?
 
Then why do Pakistanis care so much about Kashmir and Palestine?

Your comment is something out of a Christmas cracker.

Kashmir? Kashmir is part of Pakistan, lookup why India did not sign the Standstill agreement,.

Palestine? Pakistan is not alone, over 100 nations care about Palestine.

Let me know why Hindus care so much about non-Hindus in India.
 
I respect OP for tackling a controversial topic from an unpopular stance.
 
Reasons behind this thread:

1. Imran's growing popularity amongst the population. Usually governments start to become unpopular as time passes but for IK the reverse is happening.

2. Governments foreign policy decisions have been better than any Pak government since Ayub Khan.

3. Massive investment flows from China, Saudi, UAE and everyday we get news of some new investor meeting PM.

4. Pakistan's victory in the mini war with India

5. News of a large oil deposit of the coast of Karachi

6. Tightening noose around the necks of the corrupt mafia.




All of these things make it very unlikely that the PML-N or PPP are going to come back to power in the next election or even the one after that. This is why you see desperation from those who have thrived on the support from these corrupt mafias.

Good post, I have seen a repeat trend of [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] having a anti IK bias in his posts and views. I dont think this thread should be a big deal, when we can get our house in order and make life better for ourselves then we can have a stronger position to negotiate on behalf of other muslims. The idea of having a strategic alliance with Israel is not popular but its interests me to see what benefit we will get from this. Can someone list the benefits of Israel Pakistan friendship?
 
I am not buying his nonsense of him not knowing about Muslims in China being mistreated. If he condemns the situation in IoK then condemn that as well.
 
Of course IK will not say anything. He has decided that Pakistan must worry about Pakistan first and that supporting doing the right thing (ending Uygher oppression) is less important to him then Pakistan making money. It's sad because he is probably the one person who could probably sway the Chinese government to stop it. This isn't unusual. The world over, governments will turn a blind eye to oppression by their allies and decry it by their enemies.
This oppression is wrong, when Pakistan turns a blind eye to Uyghers being oppressed. It's also wrong when western governments turn a blind eye to the Rohingya crisis. It's also wrong when war lords and European banks oppress Africans. Don't expect government officials to condemn government evil-they have chosen money and power over good.
 
Lol, I saw a lot of Indians making comments on this. I wonder when Modi will grow some to sit and have an interview with a foreign media outlet.
 
Well you can’t expect to speak against Pakistan’s few allies. Seems wrong from moral point of view but that’s how you survive in cut-throat world.
 
Unfortunately there were very few direct quotes of Imran Khan himself in this long article. I find his remark that he doesn't know much about the issue to be okayish. Anyone who disagrees, needs to take a sincere look at the evidence and direct proof of Israel's atrocities towards Palestinians and then compare it to the material we have regarding Chinese atrocities in East Turkistan. At one hand you would find Mount Everst and on the other you will just find a needle. Now compare it to the fact the Palestine has been under Israeli occupation since around 75 years while East Turkistan has been under Chinese occupation since over 200 years ago. In such circumstance I can see why one would know little about the issue.

However Imran Khan is a statesman and Prime minister of Pakistan and this is the twice I see him replying to the question in the same way. Having this as his go-to stance for next years would be highly ignorant and dumb. He should know that the border we supposedly share with China is actually East Turkistan occupied by the Han-Chinese. Perhaps a better remark in the future by him could "Yes quite a few troublesome reports are coming up from that region and the international community has to look at it."

Anyone who is unbiased and really has the wellfare and progress of Pakistan as his top priority and not a personal agenda would come to the same conclusion as me:

Pakistan cannot have the same stance towards the Uyghur oppression that it has for Kashmir and Palestine. Pakistan should have a stance which acknowledges certain problematic news from the region and brings it up to Chinese authority, however don't go overboard and jeopardize the relationship with China.

On the matter of Uyghurs let their big brothers, the Turks in Turkey, handle it first. The Uyghur turks have been under foreign occupation since over 200 years. Which means they were under occupation when their big brothers the Ottman Turks had a strong empire and were a force to be recon with. Still their brothers didnt come to their aid and freedom. Both the secular Turks calling for Turkish brotherhood and the Islamist Turks should be on the same page on this issue and for me the most part of the responsibility on this matter falls on them.

Yes this is hypocrisy, however on this issue I see it as a "forced" hypocrisy and not simply out of convenience. It's like accepting the lesser of the two evils when you dont have much choice to begin with.

You jeopardize the relationship with chinese and you lose a strong economical and military partner(yes a partner, not a friend). With it you lose any potential for proper economic growth and the country is in crisis.

Now if you however try to be moral and apply this same attitude towards the Palestinian conflict and try to get friendly with the Israelis you jeopardize 90% of your own population. That's the bitter reality. The matter isn't as simple as just "the politicans are being hypocrite." The majority of the nation holds strong emotional and resentful sentiments towards the Israeli state. You wont last long and can't bring much change and progress by provoking 90% of your people. Refer to Salmaan Taseer's misadventure as a lesson.

There is too little to gain and too much to lose. The oppertunity costs just arent worth it. No matter how good and moral your intentions are, that's just bad judgment

I think three issues in Pakistan can't be touched before first properly educating and changing the mindset of the average citizen:

The "Toheen-e-Risalat" issue.
The "Khatme nabuwat" issue.
The issue of friendly relationship and recognizing of Israel.


Regardless of my own personal stance of these issues, I think there isn't much to gain by having them as a top priority and the economic progress and the wellfare of the average citizen should be the first priority. With time and a strong economy and improvement of life in Pakistan you will be able to properly handle these issues. When you have 1 in 5 dying due to malnourishment, it shoukd be obvious what needs to be adressed urgently.

Now that doesnt mean you let loose of the religious goons and allow them to make full use if this dilemma and do however they wish. Hence why I acknowledge and appreciate the way Imran Khan's government handled Asia Bibis case and kept Khadam Rizvi in check. I wish more people would do the same.

You chose your enemies wisely and only take as big a bite as you can comfortably chew and swallow.
 
Of course IK will not say anything. He has decided that Pakistan must worry about Pakistan first and that supporting doing the right thing (ending Uygher oppression) is less important to him then Pakistan making money. It's sad because he is probably the one person who could probably sway the Chinese government to stop it. This isn't unusual. The world over, governments will turn a blind eye to oppression by their allies and decry it by their enemies.
This oppression is wrong, when Pakistan turns a blind eye to Uyghers being oppressed. It's also wrong when western governments turn a blind eye to the Rohingya crisis. It's also wrong when war lords and European banks oppress Africans. Don't expect government officials to condemn government evil-they have chosen money and power over good.

While I agree partly with the points you made but please stay realistic. There is no freaking way in hell that Imran Khan would be able to sway the Chinese on this issue. There is no two ways about it. No room for "probably". He most certainly can't, otherwise he wouldn't chose such a cowardly and cheap stance as "I dont know much about this issue."

Imran Khan has done many good things and for me Pakistani political set up at the moment has no better leader than him, however still let's remain in touch with the ground realities.
 
The people of Pakistan, especially the people of AJK have genuine concerns for the sufferings in J&K. However, I was talking about our establishment and not the public.

Our general public will feel strongly about the plight of Chinese Muslims as well, but most of them are unaware of what is happening because our media and press are not allowed to write and talk about it.

As far as our establishment is concerned, we need to understand that in order for them to run the country, we need to have hostile relations with India always be in an inactive state of war.

The military of a country that has peaceful relations with other countries can never be in a position to undermine civil supremacy.

As a result, J&K represents a tool for our establishment to engage India. If they cared about their land and their people, they would have not mercilessly butchered Bangladeshis.

Our crimes in East Pakistan are no less - if not greater - than the crimes of India in J&K.

If the military did not rule the country, the Kashmir issue would have been resolved long ago, but it is in the best interests of our establishment to ensure that the status quo is maintained in the region.

As far as the UN resolution is concerned, the first point of the resolution is for Pakistan to withdraw its forces from LoC. Why do you think that has not happened yet and will not happen in the future?

If our government orders Bajwa to withdraw our troops so that the UN resolution can be implemented, what do you think will happen?

The PTI government will sign its death note, and suddenly cases of corruption will emerge against Imran (the foreign funding case is ripe for the establishment to use against him in the future) and members of the cabinet, and they will be disqualified and sent packing based on technicalities, and a party that will be subservient to the establishment will be installed in power.

Furthermore, Imran did not handle the question well. The question was not awkward but his response surely was. He was stumped by the question and his response reeked of nervousness and discomfort.

I am surprised!

I agree 99% with you on this issue and the points you made. Normally it's only 30%.
 
@ Mamoon
Big difference Pak supporting Kashmiris and not raising voice in public atleast for Chinese Muslims.
Part of Kashmir is in Pakistan, and Kashmiris care about Kashmiris in IOK. Pakistan has an obligation to help Kashmiris not only for the sand from their AJK population but allso as IOk is still unresolved region in UN, and both Pak and India need to resolve it. We have no such obligation with Chinese Muslims or Muslims anywhere in the world. As I said b4 why we this has just become an issue now when Imran is PM?
Imranh handled an awkward conscious well without saying anything that will openly criticise our strongest ally. Have you not noticed how quiet UK been in past about USA or Israel when they caused deaths of innocent people?

Please stop calling them as Chinese Muslims. While there are different Muslim groups in China and a very small ethnically Chinese Muslims. However the oppressed group of people in question are Uyghur Muslims. They have their own history and identity.

The Chinese wants to erase the Uyghur's identity and feed them with their own propaganda hence the least we can do is refer to them as they would like. Uyghur muslims of turkish descent.

I urge everyone who cares to pay attention to their words. When the British Empire occupied India nobody among us would have liked to be referred to as Anglo British Muslim. Same thing here.
 
While I agree partly with the points you made but please stay realistic. There is no freaking way in hell that Imran Khan would be able to sway the Chinese on this issue. There is no two ways about it. No room for "probably". He most certainly can't, otherwise he wouldn't chose such a cowardly and cheap stance as "I dont know much about this issue."

Imran Khan has done many good things and for me Pakistani political set up at the moment has no better leader than him, however still let's remain in touch with the ground realities.

I don't expect government officials to be perfect for the reasons I mentioned above and I said probably because it wouldn't happen overnight. IK just came into office relatively recently himself. However Xi Jinping is in office until 2022 and three years would be time to build up a relationship and get Jinping to change his mind. Of course it wouldn't happen today.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I asked the UNHRC: "We just heard from Pakistan—on behalf of 57 Islamic States—about Islamophobia. Yet if they truly care about Muslims, why have they failed to bring a single resolution for 1 million Muslims being detained in camps and persecuted for their religion by China?" <a href="https://t.co/dRIZs37eov">pic.twitter.com/dRIZs37eov</a></p>— Hillel Neuer (@HillelNeuer) <a href="https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1149761788835246080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Brilliant reply . How does anyone know that he has not spoken to China quietly? When has any Muslim country spoken about Kashmiris?

Muslim countries talk about Kashmiris all the time. What they say is that it is India's internal affair and no one should meddle in India's internal affairs or give any support to terrorists infiltrating inside Indian territory.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">i asked the unhrc: "we just heard from pakistan—on behalf of 57 islamic states—about islamophobia. Yet if they truly care about muslims, why have they failed to bring a single resolution for 1 million muslims being detained in camps and persecuted for their religion by china?" <a href="https://t.co/drizs37eov">pic.twitter.com/drizs37eov</a></p>— hillel neuer (@hillelneuer) <a href="https://twitter.com/hillelneuer/status/1149761788835246080?ref_src=twsrc%5etfw">july 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

brilliant!
 
Your comment is something out of a Christmas cracker.

Kashmir? Kashmir is part of Pakistan, lookup why India did not sign the Standstill agreement,.

Palestine? Pakistan is not alone, over 100 nations care about Palestine.

Let me know why Hindus care so much about non-Hindus in India.

If Kashmir is a part of Pakistan then Rawalpindi and Lahore are part of India. Give them back to us.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I asked the UNHRC: "We just heard from Pakistan—on behalf of 57 Islamic States—about Islamophobia. Yet if they truly care about Muslims, why have they failed to bring a single resolution for 1 million Muslims being detained in camps and persecuted for their religion by China?" <a href="https://t.co/dRIZs37eov">pic.twitter.com/dRIZs37eov</a></p>— Hillel Neuer (@HillelNeuer) <a href="https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1149761788835246080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Truth is bitter. No ?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In response to China’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Uighur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Uighur</a> concentration camps, 37 countries sign letter to UN supporting China. These include...Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, UAE & Qatar.<br><br>This is not a matter of Muslim majority nations looking the other way. They are ACTIVELY endorsing the oppression. For shame.</p>— Kashif N Chaudhry (@KashifMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/KashifMD/status/1150164288885141505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
logically we could benefit from them if we allow embassey open up.

We just wanna kiss up to the Arabs thats all.

Admit it, Pakistani's dont care about Palestinians, if they really cared for the muslim cause than they would ahd cared for the Chinese muslims aswell.

This is pure politics.

This is the hypocrisy of our govts, that we will have problem with israel oppressing muslims, but not China.

EIther boycott both or have relations with both, Israel could benefit us way more.

And its not like we havent benefitted from Israel in the past

Arabs for the most part have good relations with Israel. The exception to that are Palestine, Syria and Lebanon.

We have nothing to gain from those countries. Who are we trying to kiss up to?

I can understand why Imran Khan feigned ignorance. We're at the mercy of China not just in aid and foreign investments but our country was sold out to them by PML-N.

And China has helped us not get completely isolated too when India has done its utmost to isolate us globally.
 
Truth is bitter. No ?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In response to China’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Uighur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Uighur</a> concentration camps, 37 countries sign letter to UN supporting China. These include...Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, UAE & Qatar.<br><br>This is not a matter of Muslim majority nations looking the other way. They are ACTIVELY endorsing the oppression. For shame.</p>— Kashif N Chaudhry (@KashifMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/KashifMD/status/1150164288885141505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pakistan could had just refrained from it but they are going out of their way to support China , only fools would bring religion and right in world politics , its all about getting something.
This is how the world works, nothing is as it is.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I asked the UNHRC: "We just heard from Pakistan—on behalf of 57 Islamic States—about Islamophobia. Yet if they truly care about Muslims, why have they failed to bring a single resolution for 1 million Muslims being detained in camps and persecuted for their religion by China?" <a href="https://t.co/dRIZs37eov">pic.twitter.com/dRIZs37eov</a></p>— Hillel Neuer (@HillelNeuer) <a href="https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1149761788835246080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Humanitarian causes over national interests? Not in 2019.

This is the crap that got Pakistan in this mess to begin with. People with short term memories probably don't remember Pakistan helping "Mozlem Brothers" in Afghanistan and how much damage that caused us.

If a theocratic Muslim utopia like Saudi Arabia supports China over the treatment of its Muslims then who are Pakistan, only an Islamic republic, to condemn them.
 
Humanitarian causes over national interests? Not in 2019.

This is the crap that got Pakistan in this mess to begin with. People with short term memories probably don't remember Pakistan helping "Mozlem Brothers" in Afghanistan and how much damage that caused us.

If a theocratic Muslim utopia like Saudi Arabia supports China over the treatment of its Muslims then who are Pakistan, only an Islamic republic, to condemn them.

The one aspect of Saudi Arabia that often gets overlooked is how astute and pragmatic the Saudis are in the Foreign Policy department. Saudi Arabia has always been very very close with the US and most of the western powers. Public posturing aside, the Saudis are very close with the Israelis. The Saudi crown Prince has himself visited Israel on more than one occasion in so called 'top secret' diplomatic trips, which were promptly leaked by the media. The Israeli and Saudi intelligence work very closely especially when it comes to Iran and other mutual enemies.

The Saudis have always had rock solid diplomatic relations with India. When the Indian PM Manmohan Singh visited Saudi, the Saudi King himself came to the airport to receive him along with his entire cabinet. In comparison, it was a much watered down and tepid reception that the Saudis accorded the Pakistani PM. During PM Narendra Modi’s recent visit to Riyadh, King Salman personally conferred Saudi Arabia’s highest civilian award, the King Abdulaziz Sash, upon India’s prime minister. The two countries - Saudi Arabia and India - also signed agreements for intelligence sharing, trade and defense cooperation that includes holding joint military exercises.

So whats the point? That Saudi Arabia is a very powerful, influential, strong, and pragmatic diplomatic power on the world stage. It takes strong decisions keeping its own long term interests in mind.

Even when Pakistan objected to Indias Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj being made the 'Guest of honor' during the inaugural session of the OIC (organization of Islamic countries), neither the Saudis nor UAE paid heed to Pakistan's objections. Mrs Sushma Swaraj was invited to deliver her speech in which she condemned nations who sponsor terrorism, without naming any particular nation. Though the Pakistan Foreign Minister boycotted the OIC meeting, the Saudis stood by India.

The Saudis have remained supremely relevant on the world stage as a respected power because they are very strong diplomatically and are not given to compromising their national interests - even allying with the Israelis and Indians, over the objections of Pakistani people, diplomats and politicians.
 
The one aspect of Saudi Arabia that often gets overlooked is how astute and pragmatic the Saudis are in the Foreign Policy department. Saudi Arabia has always been very very close with the US and most of the western powers. Public posturing aside, the Saudis are very close with the Israelis. The Saudi crown Prince has himself visited Israel on more than one occasion in so called 'top secret' diplomatic trips, which were promptly leaked by the media. The Israeli and Saudi intelligence work very closely especially when it comes to Iran and other mutual enemies.

The Saudis have always had rock solid diplomatic relations with India. When the Indian PM Manmohan Singh visited Saudi, the Saudi King himself came to the airport to receive him along with his entire cabinet. In comparison, it was a much watered down and tepid reception that the Saudis accorded the Pakistani PM. During PM Narendra Modi’s recent visit to Riyadh, King Salman personally conferred Saudi Arabia’s highest civilian award, the King Abdulaziz Sash, upon India’s prime minister. The two countries - Saudi Arabia and India - also signed agreements for intelligence sharing, trade and defense cooperation that includes holding joint military exercises.

So whats the point? That Saudi Arabia is a very powerful, influential, strong, and pragmatic diplomatic power on the world stage. It takes strong decisions keeping its own long term interests in mind.

Even when Pakistan objected to Indias Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj being made the 'Guest of honor' during the inaugural session of the OIC (organization of Islamic countries), neither the Saudis nor UAE paid heed to Pakistan's objections. Mrs Sushma Swaraj was invited to deliver her speech in which she condemned nations who sponsor terrorism, without naming any particular nation. Though the Pakistan Foreign Minister boycotted the OIC meeting, the Saudis stood by India.

The Saudis have remained supremely relevant on the world stage as a respected power because they are very strong diplomatically and are not given to compromising their national interests - even allying with the Israelis and Indians, over the objections of Pakistani people, diplomats and politicians.

Not sure what point you’re making unless you’re agreeing with me.

If Saudi Arabia is allowed to be pragmatic then so is Pakistan.
 
The fact people don't see the bigger picture is what really makes me laugh about all this. Ask yourself this question...who in the world right now is pushing these idea that Chinese Muslims are being treated badly?

#1. Western Media
Why is western media so concerned about Muslims in China all of a sudden? Didn't they carpet bomb Iraq and Afghanistan and murder over 2.5 million Muslims since 2001? Western media have no problem with Israel detaining Palestinian Muslims illegally and throwing them into refugee camps, or turning off their water and imposing checkpoints across the Palestinian territories. Western media were silent as Myanmar religiously cleansed their country of Muslims. Why does the west all of a sudden have issues with China's treatment of Muslims?

#2. Indians
You shouldn't really be talking much about the treatment of Chinese Muslims, when you have such a "great" track record yourself. The irony here is that you want Indian Muslims to be "more Indian", but are crying about China wanting to make Chinese Muslims more Chinese. The irony is unmistakable.

The same for Trumpistan, who issued a ban on Muslim immigration claiming Muslims were alien to Western culture. So, why is it okay for the west to assimilate Muslims to their culture, but not okay for China to do the same?


As for Chinese Muslims nonsense, I really do think its being over hyped for ONE main reason > OBOR.

For China's OBOR to be successful, it will have to traverse through several Muslim dominated countries. The recent shift in Afghanistan's political scene was because of China wooing it over. The high speed rail links from China to Europe and most importantly the building of Chinese road and ports in the Arabian Sea (close to the Strait of Hormuz) has not gone down well with a particular trouble making country called the United States, who feel threatened by Chinese presence.

History has shown time and time again, when you dangle the Quran in front of Muslims they'll do anything. This is no different. This Chinese Muslim nonsense is being overhyped to try and raise anti-Chinese sentiment in Muslim countries (particularly Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran), in a hope that it will derail any such Chinese advancements towards America's hotbed called the Persian Gulf.


The end. Please stop the fake outrage. It's nauseating.
 
Not sure what point you’re making unless you’re agreeing with me.

If Saudi Arabia is allowed to be pragmatic then so is Pakistan.

He had no point. The sole intention of that diatribe was to pimp India as a sUpErPoWeR.

vee r sooparpowar cuz soodi raybia gave us the repect is his argument.

Meanwhile Mike Pompeo walked straight into Delhi and slapped them on the face back in June. And what did they do? Nothing.
 
Truth is bitter. No ?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In response to China’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Uighur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Uighur</a> concentration camps, 37 countries sign letter to UN supporting China. These include...Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, UAE & Qatar.<br><br>This is not a matter of Muslim majority nations looking the other way. They are ACTIVELY endorsing the oppression. For shame.</p>— Kashif N Chaudhry (@KashifMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/KashifMD/status/1150164288885141505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What did Chachu Nawaaz do about it? Absolutely nothing.
 
Not sure what point you’re making unless you’re agreeing with me.

If Saudi Arabia is allowed to be pragmatic then so is Pakistan.

I am actually agreeing with you. Smart nations like Saudi Arabia make pragmatic moves diplomatically keeping their own interests in mind. Saudis are never consumed by this illusion of 'Muslim ummah'. They very tightly embrace USA, India, and Israel.

Pakistan is already very Pragmatic. When the UN tries to censure China over Uighur concentration camps, Pakistan actually supports China's right to have concentration camps for Chinese muslims and votes against the resolution censuring China.

When China implements measures like forbidding Uighurs from sporting beards, or having a Han Chinese person live inside each Uighur home 24/7 to observe and report on any terrorist/anti-Chinese activities that the Uighur family indulges in, forces Chinese muslims to consume pork and alcohol to celebrate the lunar new year holiday along with the other Chinese, implements denials on Uighurs to take the pilgrimage to Mecca, schools forbid muslim students from exchanging the traditional “As-Salaam Alaikum.”, forced abortions performed on pregnant Uighur women, organ harvesting of captive Uighurs in Chinese 're-education' camps, etc. and through all of this, trusted Chinese friend Pakistan 'pragmatically' supports China.

Pakistan's love for the 'Muslim ummah' selectively surfaces only in the case of Indian Kashmir. When thats the subject matter, then the Pakistani government shall sponsor resolution after resolution in the UN over atrocities (real and imagined) perpetrated on the Kashmiris, as it has been doing for seventy years, almost as a matter of habit now.

But talk about actual Nazi style atrocities by the Chinese on the Uighurs, and Pakistanis suddenly say, 'Why are you looking at me?'....'It is not my responsibility to take care of other peoples problems'....'vested interests are trying to malign the good name of the Chinese'....'Indian sources are planting fake news in the media about the Chinese atrocities against Uighurs only to create a wedge between China and Pakistan'....or that

'Things are so much worse for the muslims in India than they are for the Uighurs in China. Can any Indian muslim ever dream of becoming the President of India, or a Military Chief in India, or the Chief Justice of India's supreme court, or the Governor of an Indian state? No. But Uighurs have occupied all similar positions in China, just as Hindus and other minorities routinely occupy similar positions in Pakistan. Yet Indians plant stories to besmirch China's good conduct against the Uighur muslims, when India's own track record is worse than China's when it comes to minorities in India'.
 
History has shown time and time again, when you dangle the Quran in front of Muslims they'll do anything. This is no different. This Chinese Muslim nonsense is being overhyped to try and raise anti-Chinese sentiment in Muslim countries (particularly Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran), in a hope that it will derail any such Chinese advancements towards America's hotbed called the Persian Gulf.


The end. Please stop the fake outrage. It's nauseating.


Just because a cause is exploited politically by the West does not make the actual atrocities disappear …..
 
What did Chachu Nawaaz do about it? Absolutely nothing.


When the said Chachu ask’s militiary executives to act against international hall of fame terrorists than they say No Sorry these snakes are our strategic assets. Saying No to Country’s Chief Executive than exploit Dawn Leaks to oust Federal Ministers and do media trial of future Prime Ministers.



My question is that now the Military Establishment has a subservient, Ghulam ibne ghulam installed Selected Prime Minister in place who cannot say No to the Lords of this Country who give a **** to Civilian Supremacy and rule of Law. The same Deep State which calls itself the Army of the Muslim Umma and the leader of Muslim Ummah. Ok ?



Why the Chief Executive Qamar Javed Bajwa and his subservient pseudo Chief Executive Imran Khan Niazi supported China ?



Riyasat e Madeena k naray laganay choarh dou.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I asked the UNHRC: "We just heard from Pakistan—on behalf of 57 Islamic States—about Islamophobia. Yet if they truly care about Muslims, why have they failed to bring a single resolution for 1 million Muslims being detained in camps and persecuted for their religion by China?" <a href="https://t.co/dRIZs37eov">pic.twitter.com/dRIZs37eov</a></p>— Hillel Neuer (@HillelNeuer) <a href="https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1149761788835246080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Truth is bitter. No ?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In response to China’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Uighur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Uighur</a> concentration camps, 37 countries sign letter to UN supporting China. These include...Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, UAE & Qatar.<br><br>This is not a matter of Muslim majority nations looking the other way. They are ACTIVELY endorsing the oppression. For shame.</p>— Kashif N Chaudhry (@KashifMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/KashifMD/status/1150164288885141505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol.

Irony which is lost of many ppl.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When asked about China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims, primer minister of Pakistan says, "frankly, we've been facing so many of our internal problems that I don't know much about this problem." <a href="https://t.co/wLkfYZkq1Z">pic.twitter.com/wLkfYZkq1Z</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1172892772992540672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When asked about China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims, primer minister of Pakistan says, "frankly, we've been facing so many of our internal problems that I don't know much about this problem." <a href="https://t.co/wLkfYZkq1Z">pic.twitter.com/wLkfYZkq1Z</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1172892772992540672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ummah Dedication Level = 0.
 
Quite disgraceful situation that Pakistan has to turn to China as a friend only because the other neighbour is implacably hostile. Pakistan shares culture and history with India, yet China is the one offering advantageous trade relations and cooperation.
 
Ultimately this will be the hurdle for Pakistan to bring attention to kashmir. Taking support of China who are doing gross human right abuse of uyghur muslims and reports are known world wide. World has been seeing this blatant truth.
 
His first priority is Pakistan and the people of Kashmir.

Those who are criticizing him for not speaking against Chinese Muslims would be the one's criticizing if he were to speak against China as long as he didn't highlight Kashmiri issue.

Most Pakistani critics on this thread, the issue isn't about speaking against China, for them, issue is, the PM of Pakistan is Imran Khan.
 
Quite disgraceful situation that Pakistan has to turn to China as a friend only because the other neighbour is implacably hostile. Pakistan shares culture and history with India, yet China is the one offering advantageous trade relations and cooperation.

Irrespective of culture/friendship , India is not near China in terms of investments that China can do in Pak.
So whatever the situation would had been Pak would had had to turn to China for CPEC.
 
Irrespective of culture/friendship , India is not near China in terms of investments that China can do in Pak.
So whatever the situation would had been Pak would had had to turn to China for CPEC.

Exactly. Which is why all the crocodile tears from certain posters over the Muslims in China are so easy to see through. Pakistan has a country to run, and roads don't get built without investment. China is providing investment. India is providing criticism and hurdles.
 
If Imran khan says he has many internal problems to deal with & he has no time & knowledge on uighur muslims in china & hence prefers not to comment on this issue.

then why don't he apply the same logic to muslim countries with regards to kashmir ? May be they r also busy in their internal problems & hence don't prefer to respond on kashmir
 
So if he pokes his nose for Chinese Muslims, we lose benefits then same people above will be on his head etc

<b>He is a shrewd person and is doing what's best for Pakistan.</b>

We improve ourselves first then we look outwards to help the Ummah - else you become Iran.

Yes, he is being shrewd but the rest of the world's leaders are not stupid. They laugh at his hypocrisy when he rants on about Kashmir.

The fact is that he can't do anything about the Uyghurs or the Kashmiris. What he could do is fix the economy, and his repeatedly insulting Modi and nuclear sabre rattling is ruining the investment climate in Pakistan.
 
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His first priority is Pakistan and the people of Kashmir.

Those who are criticizing him for not speaking against Chinese Muslims would be the one's criticizing if he were to speak against China as long as he didn't highlight Kashmiri issue.

Most Pakistani critics on this thread, the issue isn't about speaking against China, for them, issue is, the PM of Pakistan is Imran Khan.

Why he can't do both? Let's say 10 tweets for kashmir and at least 5 tweets for China?
 
He was nervous, hesitant and the best that he could do was to mumble "I don't know". He did not expect this question and he was not ready to be put on the spot like this. He was all over the place because he did not want to say something that would upset China.

His reaction/response was akin to a student who is not paying attention in class, but is called out by the professor to repeat what was just explained.

Pathetic body language. Watch how he keeps his eyes lowered most of the time and is unable to make eye contact with the interviewer or the camera.
 
Yes, he is being shrewd but the rest of the world's leaders are not stupid. They laugh at his hypocrisy when he rants on about Kashmir.

The fact is that he can't do anything about the Uyghurs or the Kashmiris. What he could do is fix the economy, and his repeatedly insulting Modi and nuclear sabre rattling is ruining the investment climate in Pakistan.

Only Indians due to their agenda.

You haven’t become world super power yet, still a third world country.
 
Only Indians due to their agenda.

You haven’t become world super power yet, still a third world country.

Only Indians? Pray do tell us which other world leader other than China's has paid any heed to his regular rants about Modi and Kashmir?
 
Pathetic body language. Watch how he keeps his eyes lowered most of the time and is unable to make eye contact with the interviewer or the camera.

Lol Modi Ji won't even talk with a foreign reporter, only his bhakths, and you guys want to pin point everything Imran Khan does. Get real.
 
Ummah Dedication Level = 0.

its been zero and rightly so.

Palestine we care about due to holy site and Kashmir because we see them as one of us.

Pretty simple to get
 
Lots of Indians trying to deflect from the fact that they’ve voted in a right wing fascist government, are fed fake news 24/7 and are ultimately looking down the barrel on the entire Kashmir issue.
 
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