Imran Khan dodges questions on mass Chinese detention of Muslims

[Mamoon]

what is funny is you want Pakistan to take steps like these. I.e. forget about the ummah and protect its self interest. You have mentioned this several times in the past.

For once in pakistans life, they are doing just that, and what do you want to happen? You want Pakistan to openly say the ummah is dead? Even if it is, what will saying that achieve?

Let's say hypothetically to agree with you and the indian posters here the ummah is a tool for Pakistan to use to achieve foreign policy objectives.

The united states goes around the world invading countries trying to bring them freedom, democracy, and liberty. Do they go around saying it isn't about any of that, it is about achieving political objectives?

Actually I completely agree with Pakistan’s policy. In fact, I wish this policy to extend to Kashmir as well. J&K is a lost cause and we shouldn’t be wasting our resources.

However, my problem is with Imran assuming that the world is actually going to be believe him when he calls Kashmir a humanitarian issue. Anyone with a little understanding of politics and the history of Pakistan’s state knows that Kashmir is anything but a humanitarian issue for Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is purely a political issue for Pakistan. Our treatment of East Pakistan, Balochistan and FATA shows that humanity means nothing to our state.

Perhaps it is a political issue, the world is full of political issues. When the rest of the world disarms and joins hands to sing about harmony, then I would like to think Pakistan would be there with them.

 

[miandadrules]

You didn't get my question.

What I asked was, Indian population will be accountable to whom? To which entity?

Accountable to themselves and the world at large.

By all means support these violations and rationalise them as you wish but history shows that such movements ultimately implode on to the native population.

You seem to conflate accountability with being judged by an entity that can issue some form of Justice. Far from it. India can commit any crime it wants in Kashmir and I assure you it will face no consequences.

However, history will not absolve it of its responsibility.

 

[JaDed]

What crime? Who decides what is crime and what is abuse? Who is the judge? Which entity is judging the society?

The legacy of Indira Gandhi and Rajiv is there for everyone to see.
We will despise this time in history that we gave one party so much power and he killed the economy with his ‘judgements’ when unorganized sector was a massive employer and our economy was improving.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The legacy of Indira Gandhi and Rajiv is there for everyone to see.
We will despise this time in history that we gave one party so much power and he killed the economy with his ‘judgements’ when unorganized sector was a massive employer and our economy was improving.

Lets see how time judges him. If he cant reignite the economy, he will be gone. Thats how democracy works.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Allow independent verification if you have nothing to hide.

What’s a crime? When it comes to a state anything that violates an individuals human rights. We can start with the UN charter.

Or are you saying that the GoI is above such standards?

Independent verification of what?

Let UNSC say that rights have been violated and let them put sanctions on India.

The GoI is only answerable to the people and courts of India.No one else.

 

[JaDed]

Lets see how time judges him. If he cant reignite the economy, he will be gone. Thats how democracy works.

Hopefully, coz right now Hindi, Muslim etc etc are being used to divert attention, hopefully the blame is on govn not ‘external conditions’ coz twice a huge mandate has been handed to BJP and the economy is in tatters.

 

[Slog]

It was never about historical links.
Not long ago your PM was harping about NRC issue in Assam. Do Pakistanis also believe Assam to be a part of Pakistan or do they have historical links with them ?

Pakistan is supposed to be homeland of subcontinental muslims so ayes there are links

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Lets see how time judges him. If he cant reignite the economy, he will be gone. Thats how democracy works.

His vote bank isn’t savvy enough to pick their way through economic realities.
There’s a reason him and his party continuously mentioned Pakistan in the build up to the GE.
I suspect as long as that narrative remains he will continue to garner majority support irrespective of where the country maybe headed economically.

 

[KingKhanWC]

All land was questionable? Lol why?

Read what Karan Singh said after art.35A was abrogated.

lol.

No need. It's clear, no land was given to India on a permanent basis. Kashmir should remain autonomous was made clear by Hari Singh and this was accepted by Nehru. India doesnt have any claim to the land not from Hari Singh or International law.

RSS have made up their own version of history and laws.

 

[cricketjoshila]

His vote bank isn’t savvy enough to pick their way through economic realities.
There’s a reason him and his party continuously mentioned Pakistan in the build up to the GE.
I suspect as long as that narrative remains he will continue to garner majority support irrespective of where the country maybe headed economically.

His votebank today was Congress votebank yesterday. You sir have no idea about Indian politics.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

The fact people don't see the bigger picture is what really makes me laugh about all this. Ask yourself this question...who in the world right now is pushing these idea that Chinese Muslims are being treated badly?

#1. Western Media
Why is western media so concerned about Muslims in China all of a sudden? Didn't they carpet bomb Iraq and Afghanistan and murder over 2.5 million Muslims since 2001? Western media have no problem with Israel detaining Palestinian Muslims illegally and throwing them into refugee camps, or turning off their water and imposing checkpoints across the Palestinian territories. Western media were silent as Myanmar religiously cleansed their country of Muslims. Why does the west all of a sudden have issues with China's treatment of Muslims?

#2. Indians
You shouldn't really be talking much about the treatment of Chinese Muslims, when you have such a "great" track record yourself. The irony here is that you want Indian Muslims to be "more Indian", but are crying about China wanting to make Chinese Muslims more Chinese. The irony is unmistakable.

The same for Trumpistan, who issued a ban on Muslim immigration claiming Muslims were alien to Western culture. So, why is it okay for the west to assimilate Muslims to their culture, but not okay for China to do the same?

Very well said.

As far as Indians, why are you now so concerned about Chinese Muslims? Are you saying that if China can treat muslims like crap, so can India? Because if you're saying that Imran is ignoring the plight of Muslims in China, you are implicitly implying that you are guilty of persecuting Kashmiris too.

Aside from that silly predicament you place yourselves in, you are ignoring Pakistan and India's history with regards to Kashmir and trying to equate it with the matters of some other country with no connection to Pakistan or India's history. It's ridiculous.

The fact is compare the two Kashmirs. Who is on lockdown with a media blackout and who is free? Who has troops suppressing the population and multiple INDIGENOUS rebellions. It's ridiculous.

 

[Itachi]

Very well said.

As far as Indians, why are you now so concerned about Chinese Muslims? Are you saying that if China can treat muslims like crap, so can India? Because if you're saying that Imran is ignoring the plight of Muslims in China, you are implicitly implying that you are guilty of persecuting Kashmiris too.

Aside from that silly predicament you place yourselves in, you are ignoring Pakistan and India's history with regards to Kashmir and trying to equate it with the matters of some other country with no connection to Pakistan or India's history. It's ridiculous.

The fact is compare the two Kashmirs. Who is on lockdown with a media blackout and who is free? Who has troops suppressing the population and multiple INDIGENOUS rebellions. It's ridiculous.

You forgot what the original post was.

Criticize all you want about India. No objection. It's a free world and you have every right to criticize from your own perspective.

But the actual subject was, Imran presenting Kashmir as a humanitarian cause but silent in case of China.

Which shows dual face of him.

 

[Kaptan]

Pakistan is supposed to be homeland of subcontinental muslims so ayes there are links

Last time I checked, Pakistan was officially know as Islamic republic of Pakistan not Subcontinental Islamic republic of Pakistan.

 

[Itachi]

Pakistan is supposed to be homeland of subcontinental muslims so ayes there are links

If that's the case, instead of complaining about the illegal Bangladeshi immigrants in Assam, the Pakistan govt should offer them refuge as neither India nor Bangladesh want them.

 

[ILcricket]

It is purely a political issue for Pakistan. Our treatment of East Pakistan, Balochistan and FATA shows that humanity means nothing to our state.

It is a political issue & humanitarian nonsense is just dikhawa .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If that's the case, instead of complaining about the illegal Bangladeshi immigrants in Assam, the Pakistan govt should offer them refuge as neither India nor Bangladesh want them.

Bangladesh is no longer part of Pakistan, this means they should revert to being Bengalis plain and simple. Bengal was always part of historical India, so how can they be immigrants? If India helped Bengalise to secede from Pakistan, then they should happily accept them back into the fold as Indians. Enough of this religious bigotry.

 

[ILcricket]

Bangladesh is no longer part of Pakistan, this means they should revert to being Bengalis plain and simple. Bengal was always part of historical India, so how can they be immigrants? If India helped Bengalise to secede from Pakistan, then they should happily accept them back into the fold as Indians. Enough of this religious bigotry.

let me drag you to the subject matter , I K Niazi says Kashmiri Muslims a humanitarian issue but pleads ignorance in case of China's Muslims saying he has no knowledge . Please be focused [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

let me drag you to the subject matter , I K Niazi says Kashmiri Muslims a humanitarian issue but pleads ignorance in case of China's Muslims saying he has no knowledge . Please be focused [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

Direct this advice to your fellow countryman, I was answering his statement.

 

[ILcricket]

Direct this advice to your fellow countryman, I was answering his statement.

Now that you have told off the Indian , would you elaborate on hypocritical humanitarian face of Islamic Pakistan my neutral British friend ?

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Even though Imran may have understanding of Chinese uyghers issue, it’s just his pragmatism that is making him remain silent on the issue. I’m pretty sure he knows it and may be speaking in private with the Chinese government.

And us Indians should be the last ones to criticize after what we’re doing to poor Kashmiris right now. We should first correct ourselves before pointing fingers at others

 

[KingKhanWC]

Now that you have told off the Indian , would you elaborate on hypocritical humanitarian face of Islamic Pakistan my neutral British friend ?

Indians are not understanding simple differences. Why is this?

1. Kashmir is disupted territory, the province in China is not.

2. India are firing and killing soldiers and civilians in Azad Kashmir, China is not.

Got it yet?

 

[ILcricket]

Indians are not understanding simple differences. Why is this?

1. Kashmir is disupted territory, the province in China is not.

2. India are firing and killing soldiers and civilians in Azad Kashmir, China is not.

Got it yet?

British Pakistani's are not understanding this thread is about HYPOCRITICAL face of Islamic Pakistan . Read again WC . c [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[Itachi]

Bangladesh is no longer part of Pakistan, this means they should revert to being Bengalis plain and simple. Bengal was always part of historical India, so how can they be immigrants? If India helped Bengalise to secede from Pakistan, then they should happily accept them back into the fold as Indians. Enough of this religious bigotry.

Culturally, Bangladeshis are very different from Indian Bengalis.

And India already accepted refugees prior to 1971.

 

[globalcitizen]

Disgusting behaviour by China

New leaked video shows up to 600 Uyghur Muslim concentration camp detainees being moved shackled together, handcuffed, blindfolded and with their heads shaved in Korla city of China

https://twitter.com/abdughenisabit/status/1175385698817495046?s=21

 

[rhony]

Indians are not understanding simple differences. Why is this?

1. Kashmir is disupted territory, the province in China is not.

2. India are firing and killing soldiers and civilians in Azad Kashmir, China is not.

Got it yet?

Pakistan gift wrapped a part of Kashmir and gave it to China. They are silent about Uyghurs. It's nothing to do with disputed land or Islam. If there is an IPEC with India debt trapping Pakistan for 60 bil, then you will see similar reaction or the lack of it from Imran.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Disgusting behaviour by China

New leaked video shows up to 600 Uyghur Muslim concentration camp detainees being moved shackled together, handcuffed, blindfolded and with their heads shaved in Korla city of China

https://twitter.com/abdughenisabit/status/1175385698817495046?s=21

Other countries must learn from China how to keep anti social elements in check.

 

[Mamoon]

Indians are not understanding simple differences. Why is this?

1. Kashmir is disupted territory, the province in China is not.

2. India are firing and killing soldiers and civilians in Azad Kashmir, China is not.

Got it yet?

Your reasoning is fine and your justification is valid. However, Imran and the military establishment are fooling no one with the fake narrative that Kashmir is a humanitarian issue and that Pakistan’s stance is a humanitarian one.

A true humanitarian does not ignore atrocities that happen in non-disputed territories. Once you start prioritizing based on territory, nationality etc., it is no longer humanitarian.

Kashmir is very clearly a political issue for Pakistan. It is not humanitarian and it is not religious. It is pure geopolitics.

 

[daytrader]

Your reasoning is fine and your justification is valid. However, Imran and the military establishment are fooling no one with the fake narrative that Kashmir is a humanitarian issue and that Pakistan’s stance is a humanitarian one.

A true humanitarian does not ignore atrocities that happen in non-disputed territories. Once you start prioritizing based on territory, nationality etc., it is no longer humanitarian.

Kashmir is very clearly a political issue for Pakistan. It is not humanitarian and it is not religious. It is pure geopolitics.

47 days of curfew and still counting. Tell me good doctor, when would it become a humanitarian crisis for you?

 

[cricketjoshila]

47 days of curfew and still counting. Tell me good doctor, when would it become a humanitarian crisis for you?

What curfew? Curfew is gone. People are posting videos from kashmir. Only mobile and internet is down in some places.

 

[Mamoon]

47 days of curfew and still counting. Tell me good doctor, when would it become a humanitarian crisis for you?

You don’t understand. An issue can be humanitarian, religious or political - it all depends on the party that shows solidarity.

If a country is concerned about a group of people because of human rights violations, then it is a humanitarian issue for them.

If a country is concerned about a group of people because of religion, then it is a religious issue for them. For example, the Palestine issue for the majority of the so-called ummah.

If a country is concerned about a group of people because of political reasons, then it is a political issue for them. For example, the Kashmir issue for Pakistan.

When people justify Pakistan’s hypocrisy with respect to Uyghur Muslims by stating that Kashmir is a disputed territory, they are inadvertently admitting that it is a political issue for Pakistan and not a humanitarian one.

A true humanitarian does not prioritize based disputed or undisputed territory or ethnicity. The former is a geopolitical cause and the latter is an ethnic one.

The Pakistani state peddles the fake narrative that Kashmir is a humanitarian cause for them in order to garner international support.

Unfortunately for them, they have failed so far due to the following reasons:

The international community is not stupid. They are fully aware of the fact that Kashmir is just a political tool for the establishment to sustain its perpetual conflict with India and to subsequently maintain its stronghold om the civilian government of Pakistan.

They are also aware of the fact that considering Pakistan’s history, they have no credibility when it comes to humanitarian issues.

A country that committed a genocide in East Pakistan, destroyed the social fabric of Afghanistan for US dollars, risked its own national security and alienated parts of its own country with blatant discrimination is in no position to raise a humanitarian voice, because clearly, humanity means nothing to us.

 

[Varun]

Even if Imran were to speak about the Uyghurs, his track record shows that he can't do anything substantial about it on the ground anyway.

Seems to be just talk (hot air and tweets).

 

[daytrader]

You don’t understand. An issue can be humanitarian, religious or political - it all depends on the party that shows solidarity.

If a country is concerned about a group of people because of human rights violations, then it is a humanitarian issue for them.

If a country is concerned about a group of people because of religion, then it is a religious issue for them. For example, the Palestine issue for the majority of the so-called ummah.

If a country is concerned about a group of people because of political reasons, then it is a political issue for them. For example, the Kashmir issue for Pakistan.

When people justify Pakistan’s hypocrisy with respect to Uyghur Muslims by stating that Kashmir is a disputed territory, they are inadvertently admitting that it is a political issue for Pakistan and not a humanitarian one.

A true humanitarian does not prioritize based disputed or undisputed territory or ethnicity. The former is a geopolitical cause and the latter is an ethnic one.

The Pakistani state peddles the fake narrative that Kashmir is a humanitarian cause for them in order to garner international support.

Unfortunately for them, they have failed so far due to the following reasons:

The international community is not stupid. They are fully aware of the fact that Kashmir is just a political tool for the establishment to sustain its perpetual conflict with India and to subsequently maintain its stronghold om the civilian government of Pakistan.

They are also aware of the fact that considering Pakistan’s history, they have no credibility when it comes to humanitarian issues.

A country that committed a genocide in East Pakistan, destroyed the social fabric of Afghanistan for US dollars, risked its own national security and alienated parts of its own country with blatant discrimination is in no position to raise a humanitarian voice, because clearly, humanity means nothing to us.

Look I see where you're coming from but try to understand the broader point of view. A complicated issue such as Kashmir, doesn't fit in one basket. Although it is primarily a humanitarian issue, I do agree with you that there is a geopolitical and religious component to it. This is largely due to unfinished business of partition. These two components have always existed in the Kashmir issue.

Now let's look at the context and the current scenario: is there not a curfew? Are Kashmiris not being beaten, raped and tortured? Are there not over 800k occupying soldiers in the valley? You're arguing that because Pakistan is the party showing solidarity to Kashmiris, hence its not a humanitarian issue. Do you realize your fallacy? What if it was, I dunno, say Chile raising the Kashmir issue? Would it make it humanitarian then?

Dear Dr, please answer the above questions to yourself and you will realize that Kashmir is primarily a humanitarian issue by all accolades of what defines a humanitarian issue. Please don't spread discourse for the sake of arguing as it's not fake narrative that Pakistan is peddling, it's real. Real atrocities against real Kashmiris are taking place under a very real communication blackout! Nothing is being made up...I know truth can be stranger than fiction right!

As far as the Uyghur situation, it's not comparable to Kashmir. We have people to people contact with Kashmiris from way before partition. We are much closer TO Kashmiris than any other people. The Kashmir issue is not the same for us as a humanitarian crisis in any other part of the World. Besides, who knows what is actually happening in Xinjiang as most reports are coming from western media. The same west that is trying its best to prevent China from growing, so there is a huge bias in what is reported. I'm sure IK has raised some of these concerns with China behind closed doors. We don't need to publicly call them out as unlike India, we are on talking terms. Besides, we are already occupied with a humanitarian struggle in Kashmir, the Uyghur struggle is new for us. Give it time to pick up momentum. We are no super power that can meddle in affairs across the globe. Let someone else take the spotlight. Maybe India, with its stellar human rights record, can champion this one...

 

[daytrader]

Even if Imran were to speak about the Uyghurs, his track record shows that he can't do anything substantial about it on the ground anyway.

Seems to be just talk (hot air and tweets).

So go on Indian forums and gather support to get the great Chowkidar to raise the issue at a world stage. Surely the world will listen to the leader of all powerful India and that way we can make substantial progress in the Uyghur cause!

 

[Varun]

So go on Indian forums and gather support to get the great Chowkidar to raise the issue at a world stage. Surely the world will listen to the leader of all powerful India and that way we can make substantial progress in the Uyghur cause!

India has only an entry-level membership of the Ummah Admirals Club so it has no interest in raising such an issue in any platform.

Pakistan on the other hand is a lifetime Diamond member and Imran Khan is its chief at the current time - so it should press forward posthaste.

 

[daytrader]

India has only an entry-level membership of the Ummah Admirals Club so it has no interest in raising such an issue in any platform.

Pakistan on the other hand is a lifetime Diamond member and Imran Khan is its chief at the current time - so it should press forward posthaste.

It's a humanitarian issue though...not just upto the Ummah to raise it. India can do its part

 

[Hornbill]

Even if Imran were to speak about the Uyghurs, his track record shows that he can't do anything substantial about it on the ground anyway.

Seems to be just talk (hot air and tweets).

Has he done anything to give justice to victims of human rights violations happened in his own country
https://youtu.be/2L-PAaSHwgQ

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's a humanitarian issue though...not just upto the Ummah to raise it. India can do its part

India voted in a Hindu supremacist govt. for whom the Muslims are seen as remnants of invaders. In fact I would suggest that many Indian poster here see them that way as well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Your reasoning is fine and your justification is valid. However, Imran and the military establishment are fooling no one with the fake narrative that Kashmir is a humanitarian issue and that Pakistan’s stance is a humanitarian one.

A true humanitarian does not ignore atrocities that happen in non-disputed territories. Once you start prioritizing based on territory, nationality etc., it is no longer humanitarian.

Kashmir is very clearly a political issue for Pakistan. It is not humanitarian and it is not religious. It is pure geopolitics.

You can be humanitraian and still have your main focus on one issue.

To all others posters, China is not killing Pakistani troops or civillians, India is. You really have to be slow not to understand this simple point and realise why Kashmir is the main foriegn policy issue for Pakistan.

 

[SakunaPataka]

India voted in a Hindu supremacist govt. for whom the Muslims are seen as remnants of invaders. In fact I would suggest that many Indian poster here see them that way as well.

Yeah I suppose you guys can openly be proud of such "luminaries" as Ghazni Ghori Taimur Chengis Aurangzeb Tippu and at the same time be horrified at the response and actually turn around and accuse us as racist and what not. Typical Pakistani response.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=139316]daytrader[/MENTION]

You are justifying why Kashmir is a humanitarian issue. I actually agree with you. However, I was explaining to you why Kashmir is not a humanitarian issue for Pakistan.

For Pakistan it is pure geopolitics and a battle of ego with India. Unfortunately in this battle of ego, the people of Kashmir are suffering.

It is important for the people of Kashmir to understand that Pakistan does not care about them. They are just pawns.

A country with Pakistan’s history of committing genocides, destroying nations and discriminating against ethnic groups doesn’t care about humanity or the plight of anyone.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=139316]daytrader[/MENTION]

You are justifying why Kashmir is a humanitarian issue. I actually agree with you. However, I was explaining to you why Kashmir is not a humanitarian issue for Pakistan.

For Pakistan it is pure geopolitics and a battle of ego with India. Unfortunately in this battle of ego, the people of Kashmir are suffering.

It is important for the people of Kashmir to understand that Pakistan does not care about them. They are just pawns.

A country with Pakistan’s history of committing genocides, destroying nations and discriminating against ethnic groups doesn’t care about humanity or the plight of anyone.

India kills people across the LOC but you are always asleep I assume?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Pakistan is supposed to be homeland of subcontinental muslims so ayes there are links

I’m sorry I do not recall we Indian Muslims gave any such authority to Pakistan to represent us?

Self Proclaimed thekedaar. Bhai, first look after your own people then worry about others.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan is supposed to be homeland of subcontinental muslims so ayes there are links

Indian and BD muslims will not agree with that view.

 

[Mamoon]

India kills people across the LOC but you are always asleep I assume?

India is not a champion of human rights either. You are not going to go far by using India to justify Pakistan’s documented atrocities.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India is not a champion of human rights either. You are not going to go far by using India to justify Pakistan’s documented atrocities.

You didn't understand the point.

Kashmir is more relevant to Pakistan than other humantarian issues because Pakistani lives are in danger and have been lost. How hard is this to understand Doctor?

 

[Mamoon]

You didn't understand the point.

Kashmir is more relevant to Pakistan than other humantarian issues because Pakistani lives are in danger and have been lost. How hard is this to understand Doctor?

Kashmir is a political issue for Pakistan, not a humanitarian one. Anyway, a country with Pakistan’s history has no credibility when it comes to taking a stance on humanity. In only 72 years, we manage to commit a genocide in Bangladesh, destroyed the social fabric of Afghanistan for US dollars, alienated and discriminated against FATA and Balochistan. On what moral grounds are we preaching humanity?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kashmir is a political issue for Pakistan, not a humanitarian one. Anyway, a country with Pakistan’s history has no credibility when it comes to taking a stance on humanity. In only 72 years, we manage to commit a genocide in Bangladesh, destroyed the social fabric of Afghanistan for US dollars, alienated and discriminated against FATA and Balochistan. On what moral grounds are we preaching humanity?

It can be both. Nobody cares for what you think is crediblity because you have none yourself with supporting Indian bombing children.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It can be both. Nobody cares for what you think is crediblity because you have none yourself with supporting Indian bombing children.

Right now hardly anyone cares about what Pakistan thinks.

Since Aug 5 Pakistan has been whining about Kashmir and Imran is tweeting. In between,

Modi has had a summit meeting with French President.

Received an award from the Russian President.

Held a meeting with Trump and addressed 50k americans.

Received an award from prince of UAE.

Who exactly cares about Imran and Pakistan's opinion?

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Indian and BD muslims will not agree with that view.

Bangladeshi people did the right thing. They created their own identity.

Indian Muslims stayed for secularism. A fair choice and can be argued against. But then let's see how long India manages to remain secular where people are accepted and allowed a hundred percent religious freedom with zero lynchings and access to good future.

 

[Varun]

History will remember Imran as the leader who gave his all for h̶u̶m̶a̶n̶ ̶l̶i̶f̶e̶ ...Domestic PR but was failed by greedy leaders of the world

Edited for accuracy.

Otherwise he'd have the Uyghurs, Yemenis backs through Pakistan's close links with China and KSA but ultimately they're stuck in the same rut as the Kashmiris and Palestinians worldwide.

 

[IMMY69]

Edited for accuracy.

Otherwise he'd have the Uyghurs, Yemenis backs through Pakistan's close links with China and KSA but ultimately they're stuck in the same rut as the Kashmiris and Palestinians worldwide.

I go back to my reply to you yesterday.
Did you even see his interview when he was asked about the Uyghurs?
Well let me elaborate for you. He said they are having private, closed door talks with China on this.
Why private? Because china is a friend.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Edited for accuracy.

Otherwise he'd have the Uyghurs, Yemenis backs through Pakistan's close links with China and KSA but ultimately they're stuck in the same rut as the Kashmiris and Palestinians worldwide.

Let's just say you're unable to fathom that a world leader is capable of caring for people and leave at that. Imran is unlike any other leader in this world. This man is a real lion and an amazing human being. True leader.

 

[Varun]

Well let me elaborate for you. He said they are having private, closed door talks with China on this. Why private? Because china is a friend.

Even that is for Domestic PR. Nothing will happen reg. the Uyghurs. Nothing will happen reg. the Kashmiris either. Give me a ping if such changes.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

I go back to my reply to you yesterday.
Did you even see his interview when he was asked about the Uyghurs?
Well let me elaborate for you. He said they are having private, closed door talks with China on this.
Why private? Because china is a friend.

Exactly. It's very obvious that Imran is not in a position to question China publicly. Heck not even Trump can do that let alone smaller people like Modi doing it. At least Imran has the guts to speak with China in private about this! Hope he brings good news to the poor Uyghers.

 

[Varun]

Exactly. It's very obvious that Imran is not in a position to question China publicly. Heck not even Trump can do that let alone smaller people like Modi doing it. At least Imran has the guts to pacify the naysayers of the world by claiming that he is supposedly speaking with China in private about this! Hope he brings good news to the poor Uyghers.

Edited for accuracy v2.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Your daily reminder -> and it can't be said enough - muslims in China can't name their kids Mohammed, their Quran is banned, forced into labor camps, can't fast, can't have long beards etc..

Pakistan's response - to support a UN resolution saying China's treatments of minorities is perfect and commendable..oh and we're worried about India because Kashmir has no internet

^ Unbelievable .. sadly, gullible people will lap it up.. as you can see many on this forum.

 

[IMMY69]

Your daily reminder -> and it can't be said enough - muslims in China can't name their kids Mohammed, their Quran is banned, forced into labor camps, can't fast, can't have long beards etc..

Pakistan's response - to support a UN resolution saying China's treatments of minorities is perfect and commendable..oh and we're worried about India because Kashmir has no internet

^ Unbelievable .. sadly, gullible people will lap it up.. as you can see many on this forum.

The Indian narrative has fallen so badly that you're left comparing other situations and countries and trying to make out that Pakistan is being hypocritical.

There is a very long list of oppression, one example being Palestine and another being Yemen and this is only in recent history. India does business with Israel so?

Trump flew to meet his great friend in North Korea, the same person who butchered his opposition including his own family friends, but was greeted with warmth and love and that love letter was received very well.
Another great friend of the leader of the world, President XI, the same country that is keeping muslims in concentration camps...

So in the words IK, he can only deal with one matter at time and he is dealing with the biggest issue first, one that is on his boarder and has historical ties with the country.

I'm sorry to say it but the only people that have lapped things up are the ones who voted in an extremist right wing government.

That is the harsh reality you face, history as it stands now. Going forward, history has yet to be written so lets watch this space.

 

[pillionrider]

Your daily reminder -> muslims in China can't name their kids Mohammed

Didn't know this.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, Pakistan will have “talks” with China behind closed doors, and in light of these “talks”, China will end the oppression and give the Muslims their due rights.

Apart from his gullible supporters who will believe that the earth is flat if he says so, who is Imran trying to fool here?

And one can only laugh at the notion that China is our “friend”. Oh dear.

 

[PakPremi]

Yes, Pakistan will have “talks” with China behind closed doors, and in light of these “talks”, China will end the oppression and give the Muslims their due rights.

Apart from his gullible supporters who will believe that the earth is flat if he says so, who is Imran trying to fool here?

And one can only laugh at the notion that China is our “friend”. Oh dear.

Where does China come into a debate about Indian illegal occupation of Kashmir. Since when were Chinese Muslims IK responsibility, and before you say nor is IOK let me remind you families of many Kashmiris including mine are stranded there, and many Pakistanis have family links with IOK population. Why only mention China what about Israel treatment of Palestine Muslims, and even Saudi vs Yeman, Iran vs Saudi etc. Lets stretch this debate to all the troubles of the world to remove attention away from India's oppression on our "blood" brothers and sisters.

 

[kk1992]

Where does China come into a debate about Indian illegal occupation of Kashmir. Since when were Chinese Muslims IK responsibility, and before you say nor is IOK let me remind you families of many Kashmiris including mine are stranded there, and many Pakistanis have family links with IOK population. Why only mention China what about Israel treatment of Palestine Muslims, and even Saudi vs Yeman, Iran vs Saudi etc. Lets stretch this debate to all the troubles of the world to remove attention away from India's oppression on our "blood" brothers and sisters.

Same cheer leaders would get upset if you were to talk about Palestine in any other context and their excuse would be something like this “ IK weight at his birth” or you can come up with what ever ridiculous reason to blame IK, lol

 

[Mamoon]

Where does China come into a debate about Indian illegal occupation of Kashmir. Since when were Chinese Muslims IK responsibility, and before you say nor is IOK let me remind you families of many Kashmiris including mine are stranded there, and many Pakistanis have family links with IOK population. Why only mention China what about Israel treatment of Palestine Muslims, and even Saudi vs Yeman, Iran vs Saudi etc. Lets stretch this debate to all the troubles of the world to remove attention away from India's oppression on our "blood" brothers and sisters.

That is not the point. The whole world knows why Pakistan has turned a blind eye to China and has prioritized Kashmir. No one needs to provide any clarification. However, Imran is not fooling anyone (except the gullible cult-followers) by coming up with the “we will talk to China behind closed doors” nonsense.

There will be no talks and if there are, Pakistan is in no position and has no leverage to make any breakthroughs and put China under pressure. They hold us by the balls and we have no choice but to be subservient to them.

Anyway, I don’t blame Imran for this embarrassing explanation. He has been grilled hard by international media on the Uyghur issue and until now, he has played the comical “I don’t know about it” card after struggling to find words for a bit.

That card cannot be played forever and it has clearly run its course, so he had to come up with something, and it is quite amazing that people are buying into it. The gullibility and naivety of cult-members should never be underestimated.

Finally, Indian occupation is immoral but not illegal. They have exercised their constitutional powers - there is nothing illegal about it. However, one can argue that it is immoral because every nation has the right to self-determination.

Nonetheless, Pakistan should be the last country on earth that should lecture others on morality. Nothing about our past and present state policy is moral.

 

[mgtow]

It is hard to send the message when the democracy is toppled by the establishment’s puppet where it is better to deal with the establishment instead. Not to mention, the silence on mistreatment of Muslims in China whereas the establishment is ready to bend its knee for China much like the establishment did for USA for years. And milking Kashmir to justify the defence project while do nothing about Kashmir. Coward establishment that is only interested at toppling the government rather than stabilize the economy to land on feet and be independent on economy rather than beg to USA and China. Indeed are the cursed that refuses to stand for itself.

 

[IAJ]

I go back to my reply to you yesterday.
Did you even see his interview when he was asked about the Uyghurs?
Well let me elaborate for you. He said they are having private, closed door talks with China on this.
Why private? Because china is a friend.

And moreover people expect too much from Pakistan. Imran replied to a question the other day where he said there are serious issues at 3 borders of the country. You have India in east, Afghanistan in west and then you have the Irani-Saiudi tension. Pakistan are trying to maintain peace on all these 3 areas. What more can the country do?

Another funny thing: when Pakistan is going the diplomatic way, people and especially the soft Indians are calling this «crying».
First pakistanis are labelled as troublemakers, war-hungry, terrorists you name it and now people are even critisizing diplomacy. Where to go?

 

[kk1992]

And moreover people expect too much from Pakistan. Imran replied to a question the other day where he said there are serious issues at 3 borders of the country. You have India in east, Afghanistan in west and then you have the Irani-Saiudi tension. Pakistan are trying to maintain peace on all these 3 areas. What more can the country do?

Another funny thing: when Pakistan is going the diplomatic way, people and especially the soft Indians are calling this «crying».
First pakistanis are labelled as troublemakers, war-hungry, terrorists you name it and now people are even critisizing diplomacy. Where to go?

You and everyone need to grasp this fact.

The Indians and their Pakistani cheer leaders have nothing to criticize regarding Kashmir matter but they have to criticize something while trying to not looking like ignorant fool. So , they are keep repeating China.

Every Pakistani knows what IK mean when he say, "we only talk to China behind close doors" but these cheerleaders call every Pakistani gullible as if they are the genius one, Laughable.

For the first time, the PM of Pakistan is looking out for Pakistan and representing Pakistan with dignity, defending and answering every question with intent and confidence, this is what the cheerleader always wanted and complaint about having a leader who could not stand up for Pakistan. Now we have a leader who is representing Pakistan and putting forward Pakistan case in dignified way, the cheerleader are getting their knickers in twist.

This is what you get when a person has criticize to someone for the sake of criticism.

Pretty soon, you'll see IK getting blame for the color of hair he was born with, his skin tone, and his birth weight.

 

[IMMY69]

And moreover people expect too much from Pakistan. Imran replied to a question the other day where he said there are serious issues at 3 borders of the country. You have India in east, Afghanistan in west and then you have the Irani-Saiudi tension. Pakistan are trying to maintain peace on all these 3 areas. What more can the country do?

Another funny thing: when Pakistan is going the diplomatic way, people and especially the soft Indians are calling this «crying».
First pakistanis are labelled as troublemakers, war-hungry, terrorists you name it and now people are even critisizing diplomacy. Where to go?

You are absolutely right.
I have referred each Indian poster who keeps repeating the same line to the Imran Khan interview where he discussed everything you just mentioned.
But it's like to talking to a brick wall.

With respect to showing weakness because of diplomacy, its damned if you do and damned if you don't.

You would have thought by now that the India population would be clued up to the lies they have been fed by their government (via their gutter press). Surgical strikes and the Balokot and then false flags, drones..the list goes on. But then I suppose the majority of Germans were taken in too by their extremist leader, and that was a country with good education and high literacy...

 

[PakPremi]

Now that my reply to Mamoon has moved from the IK disappointment thread, it does not hold the same significance. Mamoon failed to convince me why China mention was appropriate in that thread.
As far as this thread is concerned I guess IK like other world leaders have full right not to discuss the internal matters of friendly nations with press. Kashmir on other hand is not an internal Indian issue but issue of my Kashmiri relatives living in IOK, and as a Pakstanis I want my Paksitani PM to help me. I not only care about chinese muslims but victims of all religion in all countries, but issue I want resolved above all is of my oppressed Kashmiri relatives. Simple Logic really!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And moreover people expect too much from Pakistan. Imran replied to a question the other day where he said there are serious issues at 3 borders of the country. You have India in east, Afghanistan in west and then you have the Irani-Saiudi tension. Pakistan are trying to maintain peace on all these 3 areas. What more can the country do?

Another funny thing: when Pakistan is going the diplomatic way, people and especially the soft Indians are calling this «crying».
First pakistanis are labelled as troublemakers, war-hungry, terrorists you name it and now people are even critisizing diplomacy. Where to go?

Where Modi cheerleaders - which include Pakistan as well as Indian heritage posters - want Pakistan to go is into a corner of the subcontinent where India can send all the Muslim population of their country eventually. Then they will attempt to use their international clout to isolate Pakistan so the country can't prosper in any form. You can see this in action at a minor level with international cricket where India have carried out a similar policy with limited success.

It is a policy driven purely by religious hatred sad to say.

 

[Thomaskutty]

So in the words IK, he can only deal with one matter at time and he is dealing with the biggest issue first, one that is on his boarder and has historical ties with the country.

He doesn't deal with China because he can't, not because he's doing it one matter at a time lol.

The point here is simple .. if Imran can blame the global muslim community for refusing to utter a word on Kashmir, the same accusation can be thrown at him for his stance on Xinjiang. Am I right?

 

[IMMY69]

He doesn't deal with China because he can't, not because he's doing it one matter at a time lol.

The point here is simple .. if Imran can blame the global muslim community for refusing to utter a word on Kashmir, the same accusation can be thrown at him for his stance on Xinjiang. Am I right?

I think when IK talks about the global muslim community he speaks about muslim injustices in Kashmir and in the wider world.

With respect to dealing with China etc, thats your opinion.

The bottom line is that the China Muslim situation is used by Indians in an attempt to divert away from the main topic which is Kashmir and whatever you may want to believe, Pakistan has history with Kashmir and history with India. It was after all part of India and not some province of China.

 

[PakPremi]

He doesn't deal with China because he can't, not because he's doing it one matter at a time lol.

The point here is simple .. if Imran can blame the global muslim community for refusing to utter a word on Kashmir, the same accusation can be thrown at him for his stance on Xinjiang. Am I right?

You are wrong because there is a big difference the state of Kashmir in its entirety is on lock down for nearing 2 months, and the Pro-Indian Kashmir government is in house arrest. Chinese treatment of Muslims should be compared to India's treatment of minorities especially Muslims - Gujarat Massacre is still etched in memory. IOK is a disputed territory and by UN resolutions India cannot force their will on the population, and certainly not prison them in their own houses.

 

[Hornbill]

China ‘building cark parks and playgrounds’ over Uighur Muslim graveyards ‘to eradicate ethnic group’s identity’

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AhAB&usg=AOvVaw1rb8TM8jM320QsqCtYkpL-&ampcf=1

 

[SensiblePakFan]

People forget nothing happens unless the USA gives it attention. They already oppose Xinjiang concentration camps. The Kashmir issue wasnt international till Imran made into one. So him mentioning Xinjiang wont add anything to the conversation. The USA is the superpower that controls the narrative.
Think about it.

 

[Napa]

People forget nothing happens unless the USA gives it attention. They already oppose Xinjiang concentration camps. The Kashmir issue wasnt international till Imran made into one. So him mentioning Xinjiang wont add anything to the conversation. The USA is the superpower that controls the narrative.
Think about it.

So IK has the power to make the Kashmir issue international, however his mentioning Xinjiang won't have any impact. Very convenient logic I must say!

 

[kk1992]

So IK has the power to make the Kashmir issue international, however his mentioning Xinjiang won't have any impact. Very convenient logic I must say!

Worry about sugarcoating Kashmir atrocities committed by Indian government and Army.

 

[Napa]

Worry about sugarcoating Kashmir atrocities committed by Indian government and Army.

You post makes no sense given the thread I was reply to, then again that is your record of postings. Bye...

 

[kk1992]

You post makes no sense given the thread I was reply to, then again that is your record of postings. Bye...

I think you are upset about Indian scammer thread hence you aren't making any sense.

LOL

It is okay, the savior of India living in foreign land should not get upset over little things.

You can't control over 1 billion people. Let it go.

 

[kk1992]

You post makes no sense given the thread I was reply to, then again that is your record of postings. Bye...

worry about sugarcoating crimes committed by Indian government and Army in Kashmir and don't worry about what PM of Pakistan say or do not say.

LOL

 

[rhony]

China ‘building cark parks and playgrounds’ over Uighur Muslim graveyards ‘to eradicate ethnic group’s identity’

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...gQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1rb8TM8jM320QsqCtYkpL-&cf=1

Chinese are known to be ruthless. They cut the head, tail and ate the rest of the body of terror snake. Not everybody can get away with that