Imran Khan has just 15% vision left in right eye, family blames medical neglect [Update@post823]

[GOSH11]

Still stayed back.

Left back....turned down... choose your favourite phrase

 

[Major]

@The Bald Eagle could u check on @Bewal Express ? He is usually very active on such threads, but he has vanished since last month.

Hope everything good at his end

 

[AAli98]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023715854089941503

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

You don’t support zardari or sharifs , you were raised by their dirty money

Black lentil fans like your ilk make these crass comments that show your culture. I have been constantly polite and reiterated my commitment for IK's human rights but you are souring the discourse with constant vile dirty attacks.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Dada speaks in support of Sir Imran Khan

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023788817053085707

Ganguly should worry about his own country where so many people live in abject poverty and suffer injustice. Indians are deliberately poking their noses where they shouldn't and some Pakistanis are playing a very dangerous game by entertaining the devious designs of these trolls who are just trying to create more divides.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Can't believe there are Indians who are seeing this injustice and speaking about it as compared to certain 'Pakistanis' who are rejoicing it and mocking IK.

How simple are you? Indians are smarting and hurt after the spanking they received and this is their way of getting back.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Let us be clear everyone is entitled to basic human rights and dignity. IK is no exception. I may not agree with him politically and I hold him responsible largely for the state of the country but there is no denying he is one of our great cricketers and he deserves lawful and just treatment even in prison. What I don't appreciate is likes of Ganguly and Gavasker who have spewed BS in the past now poking their noses in our affairs. Would they like it if we started commenting on Hindvata or the many problems Ind face? We have our Courts, our Govt and our system. To hell with those insincere opportunistic clowns. Zardari and Nawaz have also suffered in the past why didnt Indians talk then? What is their personal interest now? Please think.

 

[UP]

Don’t know what Khan’s health will be when he comes out. Aleema Khan should take over PTI and lead in next election. She is mature, capable and educated. Awaam will also listen to her. Khan needs to appoint her as head PTI. I know he is against family politics but current time demands his sister to take over. She also ticks the merit box.

This phase will pass and when the next general comes in he will have no choice but to step back and let soft power take over. They can delay the change but can’t stop it. Country is drowning in debt and poverty. Khan has planted a seed and it will become a tree in next 10-20 years. Khan’s role was to weaken the generals which he has successfully achieved.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Don’t know what Khan’s health will be when he comes out. Aleema Khan should take over PTI and lead in next election. She is mature, capable and educated. Awaam will also listen to her. Khan needs to appoint her as head PTI. I know he is against family politics but current time demands his sister to take over. She also ticks the merit bix.

This phase will pass and when the next general comes in he will have no choice but to step back and let soft power take over. They can delay the change but can’t stop it. Khan has planted a seed and it will become a tree in next 10-20 years. Khan’s role was to weaken the generals which he has successfully achieved.

Aleema? She has a better chance of winning a seat in Dehli or Mumbai.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Don’t know what Khan’s health will be when he comes out. Aleema Khan should take over PTI and lead in next election. She is mature, capable and educated. Awaam will also listen to her. Khan needs to appoint her as head PTI. I know he is against family politics but current time demands his sister to take over. She also ticks the merit box.

This phase will pass and when the next general comes in he will have no choice but to step back and let soft power take over. They can delay the change but can’t stop it. Country is drowning in debt and poverty. Khan has planted a seed and it will become a tree in next 10-20 years. Khan’s role was to weaken the generals which he has successfully achieved.

Absolutely not. People are behind Aleema and other sisters simply because the public knows she represents the raw / uncut version of IK's message. They are in public eye simply because they are IK's sisters. They are not political individuals so please refrain from such suggestions.

One thing IK has done tremendously well is prepare the youth of the country for leadership. We have seen just one example and that is Sohail Afridi, there are plenty like him out there. Its time the youth takes control of the country from the old forsaken souls.

Me being IK's massive supporter wouldn't even want IK (if released in future) to be involved in policy making for the country. I'd rather have IK be the President and inspire youth to run the policy making of the country.

 

[UP]

Absolutely not. People are behind Aleema and other sisters simply because the public knows she represents the raw / uncut version of IK's message. They are in public eye simply because they are IK's sisters. They are not political individuals so please refrain from such suggestions.

One thing IK has done tremendously well is prepare the youth of the country for leadership. We have seen just one example and that is Sohail Afridi, there are plenty like him out there. Its time the youth takes control of the country from the old forsaken souls.

Me being IK's massive supporter wouldn't even want IK (if released in future) to be involved in policy making for the country. I'd rather have IK be the President and inspire youth to run the policy making of the country.

Absolutely not. People are behind Aleema and other sisters simply because the public knows she represents the raw / uncut version of IK's message. They are in public eye simply because they are IK's sisters. They are not political individuals so please refrain from such suggestions.

One thing IK has done tremendously well is prepare the youth of the country for leadership. We have seen just one example and that is Sohail Afridi, there are plenty like him out there. Its time the youth takes control of the country from the old forsaken souls.

Me being IK's massive supporter wouldn't even want IK (if released in future) to be involved in policy making for the country. I'd rather have IK be the President and inspire youth to run the policy making of the country.

The generals have taken over the current leadership of PTI so that’s why I was suggesting Aleema Khan to be appointed as head PTI for next election. And the elections onward the organic youth leadership can come in and deliver.

 

[Extra_Cover]

The generals have taken over the current leadership of PTI so that’s why I was suggesting Aleema Khan to be appointed as head PTI for next election. And the elections onward the organic youth leadership can come in and deliver.

I understand your concern and these are legit as every single department of our country is compromised and directly under military influence. However you need to be pragmatic that PTI is not an organic party, it's IK or nothing. After IK is gone then there would no longer be PTI.

In my opinion if IK does end up dying in jail then PTI will be broken into its youth factions. There is Insaf Youth Wing, Insaf Student Foundation, Women Wing and I believe a KP wing too. My guess is each of these wings would form its own separate party. This will not be great for the country in the long run and I don't need to go in reasons for that.

If IK does come out of jail then he would have some succession plan whereby PTI would continue to remain relevant even after IK is gone

 

[UP]

I understand your concern and these are legit as every single department of our country is compromised and directly under military influence. However you need to be pragmatic that PTI is not an organic party, it's IK or nothing. After IK is gone then there would no longer be PTI.

In my opinion if IK does end up dying in jail then PTI will be broken into its youth factions. There is Insaf Youth Wing, Insaf Student Foundation, Women Wing and I believe a KP wing too. My guess is each of these wings would form its own separate party. This will not be great for the country in the long run and I don't need to go in reasons for that.

If IK does come out of jail then he would have some succession plan whereby PTI would continue to remain relevant even after IK is gone

That’s why Aleema Khan needs to come in and keep the party united. Current situation demands her leadership.

 

[UP]

I understand your concern and these are legit as every single department of our country is compromised and directly under military influence. However you need to be pragmatic that PTI is not an organic party, it's IK or nothing. After IK is gone then there would no longer be PTI.

In my opinion if IK does end up dying in jail then PTI will be broken into its youth factions. There is Insaf Youth Wing, Insaf Student Foundation, Women Wing and I believe a KP wing too. My guess is each of these wings would form its own separate party. This will not be great for the country in the long run and I don't need to go in reasons for that.

If IK does come out of jail then he would have some succession plan whereby PTI would continue to remain relevant even after IK is gone

On one hand you state Khan has done a great job to prepare future youth leadership and then you say PTI will break into pieces post Khan’s departure. I don’t get your point. Care to elaborate more?

 

[Extra_Cover]

On one hand you state Khan has done a great job to prepare future youth leadership and then you say PTI will break into pieces post Khan’s departure. I don’t get your point. Care to elaborate more?

Yes. Do you know how the protests are being organized at the moment if there are? These aren't organized by "PTI" but through sub-factions of the party such as "ISF" or "IYF". These sub-sections have been delegated to have its own leadership hierarchy, this is from where Sohail Afridi emerged from including many of his cabinet members like Shafi Jaan, etc.

This is my personal opinion, that these factions would end up running independently after IK is gone. This is only if IK doesn't come out of jail.

The problem is that the top leadership of PTI is badly compromised so its unlikely that public would be behind them if IK doesn't come out. This is all assuming IK is gone from jail.

However if IK does emerge out of jail then definitely he would strengthen the party massively and ensure there is succession.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Why are Indian cricketers getting involved?..!

Is PTI responsible for causing ethnic divisions?

 

[UP]

Yes. Do you know how the protests are being organized at the moment if there are? These aren't organized by "PTI" but through sub-factions of the party such as "ISF" or "IYF". These sub-sections have been delegated to have its own leadership hierarchy, this is from where Sohail Afridi emerged from including many of his cabinet members like Shafi Jaan, etc.

This is my personal opinion, that these factions would end up running independently after IK is gone. This is only if IK doesn't come out of jail.

The problem is that the top leadership of PTI is badly compromised so its unlikely that public would be behind them if IK doesn't come out. This is all assuming IK is gone from jail.

However if IK does emerge out of jail then definitely he would strengthen the party massively and ensure there is succession.

If Khan dies in prison, PTI will break into pieces so what’s the future like in your analysis? People like Sohail Afridi will make their own parties? And why are you not in favour of Aleema Khan to take over so the party stays united?

The institution of Army has been destroyed. Since their kartoots are so naked now what do you think will happen when Munir departs? What will the next chief do? And what will happen to PMLN and PPP?

 

[Syed1]

If Khan dies in prison, PTI will break into pieces so what’s the future like in your analysis? People like Sohail Afridi will make their own parties? And why are you not in favour of Aleema Khan to take over so the party stays united?

The institution of Army has been destroyed. Since their kartoots are so naked now what do you think will happen when Munir departs? What will the next chief do? And what will happen to PMLN and PPP?

The next chief would want the status quo to remain (army hegemony with a civilian face). He would just want to replace Munir with himself.

Once IK dies there is no hope for Pakistan as these family limited parties already have their next generations ready to take over. Pakistan was already a failed state it will eventually meet it's demise in a couple of decades.

 

[UP]

The next chief would want the status quo to remain (army hegemony with a civilian face). He would just want to replace Munir with himself.

Once IK dies there is no hope for Pakistan as these family limited parties already have their next generations ready to take over. Pakistan was already a failed state it will eventually meet it's demise in a couple of decades.

No, that’s not going to happen. Change is inevitable because of economics. The next general will have to step back and let soft power take over. People rejected family parties on Feb 8, 2024 so they have no future.

 

[JaDed]

Ganguly should worry about his own country where so many people live in abject poverty and suffer injustice. Indians are deliberately poking their noses where they shouldn't and some Pakistanis are playing a very dangerous game by entertaining the devious designs of these trolls who are just trying to create more divides.

Usko question poocha, kya bolte no comments ? If they ask him a question about poverty he will answer

 

[Varun]

The next chief would want the status quo to remain (army hegemony with a civilian face). He would just want to replace Munir with himself.

Once IK dies there is no hope for Pakistan as these family limited parties already have their next generations ready to take over. Pakistan was already a failed state it will eventually meet it's demise in a couple of decades.

I've heard this so many times from both sides of the border over the last 30 years. Pakistan continues to chug along while being on the brink (of war, bankruptcy, etc.). That's how their establishment likes it too.

 

[Manager101]

The next chief would want the status quo to remain (army hegemony with a civilian face). He would just want to replace Munir with himself.

Once IK dies there is no hope for Pakistan as these family limited parties already have their next generations ready to take over. Pakistan was already a failed state it will eventually meet it's demise in a couple of decades.

Couple of decades ?

Don't think so, it will be probably in next 5 years after USA fully use and chew them for Isreal's so called "board of peace". Once their usability ends, support from USA will end for this fascist regime and then the regime will be running like a headless chicken.

 

[UP]

Couple of decades ?

Don't think so, it will be probably in next 5 years after USA fully use and chew them for Isreal's so called "board of peace". Once their usability ends, support from USA will end for this fascist regime and then the regime will be running like a headless chicken.

Pakistan will break in the next 5 years?

Why would the US end its support if the generals are selling off everything and anything?

 

[Manager101]

Pakistan will break in the next 5 years?

Why would the US end its support if the generals are selling off everything and anything?

Can't say anything about Break because it is very painful for me to say that. hopefully not.

But reality is once US achieves its BOP objectives, it will end support for Pakistan.

 

[Syed1]

Can't say anything about Break because it is very painful for me to say that. hopefully not.

But reality is once US achieves its BOP objectives, it will end support for Pakistan.

Actually US's plans are never that short term. They would always need to have a puppet regime in Pakistan as this will enable them to strike inside Afghanistan or Iran if need be.

Secondly, the US always wants to maintain its economic superiority. That's the only reason the relations between China and US are strained. It is only a matter of time the US would feel India is challenging that superiority as well, due to her trajectory. At that point US would also need a puppet regime in Pakistan to keep India in check.


The point is, there will always be a need for people like Munir + PDM in Pakistan and there is no easy end in sight.

 

[BouncerGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023793478442852563

 

[Kianig89]

So a Task Force is being made by Sohail Afridi for IK release movement , let's see one things for sure they are unable to get him out through due process

 

[KingKhanWC]

So a Task Force is being made by Sohail Afridi for IK release movement , let's see one things for sure they are unable to get him out through due process

This is a sign things are getting tough for the regime . The task force is minor , a bit extra pressure in active disorder .

The end of this regime will come from within. In their desperation to keep power they joined hands with Zionists . Even Russia rejected this . Pakistan army knows it cannot allow these generals to go down this path or it will crumble within . If the people keep up the pressure now , cause disorder it will help bring regime change within the forces .

 

[psyoptica]

I've heard this so many times from both sides of the border over the last 30 years. Pakistan continues to chug along while being on the brink (of war, bankruptcy, etc.). That's how their establishment likes it too.

“Pakistan continues to chug along” exactly what the problem is. It’s a country that’s surviving on donations and handouts. There’s no long term growth prospects or development opportunity. This is exactly what a failed country looks like. It won’t just seize to exist one day lol.

The nationalist pride traditionally has been built around the army and cricket. Army has nothing to show for it and uses propaganda to big up itself in the eyes of public. Pakistan is not winning any wars. India can easily decimate Pakistan with 30% of its capacity and that’s the bitter truth.
Everyone knows where Pakistan stands in cricket. If it were up to the establishment, Pakistan team would be presented as world beaters.

 

[psyoptica]

This is a sign things are getting tough for the regime . The task force is minor , a bit extra pressure in active disorder .

The end of this regime will come from within. In their desperation to keep power they joined hands with Zionists . Even Russia rejected this . Pakistan army knows it cannot allow these generals to go down this path or it will crumble within . If the people keep up the pressure now , cause disorder it will help bring regime change within the forces .


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I know this will never happen but traitors like Asim Munir and his cronies must be held accountable and punished for their crimes. Nothing will change in this country until the powerful can get away with anything they’ve done wrong.

 

[Varun]

The nationalist pride traditionally has been built around the army and cricket. Army has nothing to show for it and uses propaganda to big up itself in the eyes of public. Pakistan is not winning any wars. India can easily decimate Pakistan with 30% of its capacity and that’s the bitter truth.

Indian Air Force: "Hold my Lassi!"

 

[psyoptica]

Indian Air Force: "Hold my Lassi!"

There’s a difference between a full scale war and small skirmishes fought along the border. There’s a reason Pakistan has never won any wars against India.

 

[Extra_Cover]

If Khan dies in prison, PTI will break into pieces so what’s the future like in your analysis? People like Sohail Afridi will make their own parties? And why are you not in favour of Aleema Khan to take over so the party stays united?

The institution of Army has been destroyed. Since their kartoots are so naked now what do you think will happen when Munir departs? What will the next chief do? And what will happen to PMLN and PPP?

This post is simply my opinion.

Why Aleema Khan shouldn't enter into politics? In real world politics is definition of governance and policy making. The policy making attribute comes through if a person is either educated enough to see the forward looking trends or is well aware of ground root struggles of the public so he/she knows the exact problems that needs to be addressed by policy making. The governance attribute is primarily relationship building and ensuring the policies being decided upon is being implemented and also ensuring the red tape around it is minimized. This is politics in simple words and in Pakistan the definition remains the same but its more complicated given the structure is completely broken ensuring the policy making and governance struggle everytime to go hand in hand.

For any politician to be effective they need to have spent enough time in public circle and in public forums to understand the way forward. Aleema is a sister of IK, had she not been the sister she wouldn't have the same limelight she has today. Her primary objective is the well-being of IK rather than leading PTI or securing any government role. I'm totally onboard for Aleema to take centerstage and lead public rallies and gatherings centered around IK release and well-being. I would have my doubts if Aleema takes out rallies for topics like inflation, unemployment, etc as that would show she is jumping on popular bandwagon and hasn't been an active voice for these issues in the past which would impact her credibility. I have massive respect for her and the other sisters who have braved a lot of threats, force, arrests, etc for IK's release and well-being. They have registered a small part of their own history in this entire saga of injustice.

Parties coming out of PTI. Yes most likely Sohail Afridi in that situation might end up being the head of ISF and make his own party. There is also a likelihood that old folks of PTI such as Yasmin Rashid, Umar Cheema, etc might make their own party to carry forward IK legacy. The golden thing we would miss that works very well in Establishment's favour is that there would be no party that is a national party. Each of these sub-sects of PTI would be regionally restricted and that is vision of Establishment to have a national government.

What is a national government? In Establishment's view they would happily give KP power to Sohail Afridi, Punjab power to Yasmin Rashid, South Punjab to Shah Mehmood and even Karachi to likes of Jamaat Islami / PTI mix. This way Establishment can get rid of PMLN / PPP yet regionally exercise control through different parties who would all be in power yet not at throats of each other given they are sub-sects of PTI. The only problem for Establishment is IK who is a unifying factor for all of Pakistan and to annoyance of Establishment a principled man who does not break like politicians of the past. When we say Establishment naturally we refer to Pakistan Army but in reality Establishment is basically the power Pakistan Army enjoys over all industrial and economical companies of Pakistan. PIA is the latest example that is under Pakistan Army now and like that they have control over all Pakistan's industries. IK has the power to not back down and ensure merit is implemented which would result in Establishment losing control over these money making industries in the long-run which they fear the most.

The next Army chief will be no different to Munir. To put this into context the recent instillation of Munir as COAS for the next 5 years effectively ate up the promotion of next Army officer who was in line. When the next chief comes he would stick with power grabbing as well and the cycle will continue. The Army at this stage really don't care about their public image. They have been doing this blatantly across Balochistan for the past several decades and in KP since last decade. Very recently Punjab has started seeing this image of Army as well. They didn't care and they don't care now.

 

[emranabbas]

Let us be clear everyone is entitled to basic human rights and dignity. IK is no exception. I may not agree with him politically and I hold him responsible largely for the state of the country but there is no denying he is one of our great cricketers and he deserves lawful and just treatment even in prison. What I don't appreciate is likes of Ganguly and Gavasker who have spewed BS in the past now poking their noses in our affairs. Would they like it if we started commenting on Hindvata or the many problems Ind face? We have our Courts, our Govt and our system. To hell with those insincere opportunistic clowns. Zardari and Nawaz have also suffered in the past why didnt Indians talk then? What is their personal interest now? Please think.

Many Indians support Imran Khan because many of his policies appear to benefit India more than Pakistan.


In the past, Gaurav Arya openly said that India could break Pakistan into four parts. While this is not official Indian policy, it shows how some hardline Indian voices think about Pakistan.


Balochistan has had separatist ideas since 1947. Many people there believe Balochistan should have been an independent country, which is why anti-Pakistan feelings have existed for decades.


KPK has faced territorial claims from Afghanistan since before 1947, going back to the late 1800s. Some Pashtuns living in KPK do not fully see themselves as Pakistani and instead identify as Afghan, which creates long-term identity and loyalty problems.


Azad Kashmir / Mirpur also has groups that want independence and have opposed Pakistan’s control since Kashmir came under Pakistan.


Imran Khan says he wants to care for the people of Balochistan, KPK, and Mirpur. Critics believe he either ignores the security risks or supports these regions mainly for votes. If too much power is given to these areas without strong control, Pakistan could weaken badly and be left mainly with Punjab and Sindh and rest would go to Afghanistan and balochistan will be under India's influence.


India takes advantage of these internal problems. Through Afghanistan and Balochistan, India is accused of supporting instability and terrorist activities in Pakistan so its long-standing goal of a divided Pakistan can become reality.


The Pakistan Army is simply doing its job: protecting Pakistan’s land and stopping enemies from taking control. This is why the army is disliked by separatist groups of KPK, Balochistan & Azad Kashmir, Afghanistan, India, and their supporters because the army refuses to give up any part of Pakistan.


Overseas Pakistanis often do not understand the real situation inside the country. Many support Imran Khan because of his image, winning the World Cup, building a hospital, speaking good English, and having strong personality and for looking handsome rather than understanding Pakistan’s internal security and political issues.


PPP and PML-N are often called establishment-friendly parties. They have not taken openly anti-Pakistan positions. In terms of governance and development, PML-N has performed better than PPP. The army initially believed Imran Khan and PTI could be a better option, but his pro-Afghanistan and pro-Taliban approach caused serious concern. Once trust was lost, he was removed. The army will not support any political party that is seen as siding with Pakistan’s enemies.

India keeps poking its nose into these issues because it wants Pakistan to fall apart, but many people don’t understand what’s really happening and these idiots will praise India just because they said good words about Imran khan

 

[psyoptica]

Many Indians support Imran Khan because many of his policies appear to benefit India more than Pakistan.


In the past, Gaurav Arya openly said that India could break Pakistan into four parts. While this is not official Indian policy, it shows how some hardline Indian voices think about Pakistan.


Balochistan has had separatist ideas since 1947. Many people there believe Balochistan should have been an independent country, which is why anti-Pakistan feelings have existed for decades.


KPK has faced territorial claims from Afghanistan since before 1947, going back to the late 1800s. Some Pashtuns living in KPK do not fully see themselves as Pakistani and instead identify as Afghan, which creates long-term identity and loyalty problems.


Azad Kashmir / Mirpur also has groups that want independence and have opposed Pakistan’s control since Kashmir came under Pakistan.


Imran Khan says he wants to care for the people of Balochistan, KPK, and Mirpur. Critics believe he either ignores the security risks or supports these regions mainly for votes. If too much power is given to these areas without strong control, Pakistan could weaken badly and be left mainly with Punjab and Sindh and rest would go to Afghanistan and balochistan will be under India's influence.


India takes advantage of these internal problems. Through Afghanistan and Balochistan, India is accused of supporting instability and terrorist activities in Pakistan so its long-standing goal of a divided Pakistan can become reality.


The Pakistan Army is simply doing its job: protecting Pakistan’s land and stopping enemies from taking control. This is why the army is disliked by separatist groups of KPK, Balochistan & Azad Kashmir, Afghanistan, India, and their supporters because the army refuses to give up any part of Pakistan.


Overseas Pakistanis often do not understand the real situation inside the country. Many support Imran Khan because of his image, winning the World Cup, building a hospital, speaking good English, and having strong personality and for looking handsome rather than understanding Pakistan’s internal security and political issues.


PPP and PML-N are often called establishment-friendly parties. They have not taken openly anti-Pakistan positions. In terms of governance and development, PML-N has performed better than PPP. The army initially believed Imran Khan and PTI could be a better option, but his pro-Afghanistan and pro-Taliban approach caused serious concern. Once trust was lost, he was removed. The army will not support any political party that is seen as siding with Pakistan’s enemies.

India keeps poking its nose into these issues because it wants Pakistan to fall apart, but many people don’t understand what’s really happening and these idiots will praise India just because they said good words about Imran khan

Do you have a brain to narrate your thoughts in your own writing rather than copy paste AI generated stuff?
Such a waste of time reading all this crap

 

[IMMY69]

Do you have a brain to narrate your thoughts in your own writing rather than copy paste AI generated stuff?
Such a waste of time reading all this crap

AI should be ashamed of itself

 

[ads101]

I think that’s what did it for Imran khan. He chose to side with the other side. And that didn’t go down well with the military.

I personally don’t understand the appeal over siding with Russia, Afghanistan, anti west. Over the west in general. I don’t think it benefits the country. Add India to the mix and it becomes even harder to take that side. I know he went on about being an independent but we all know in reality that isn’t possible until you are strong enough to stand on your own.

I even understand it from a military perspective. If India decide to invade/fight can you rely on Russia or even China coming to your aid? Unlikely they will side with India. China will likely stay out of it. West there’s more hope of support.

And ironically in terms of being a true neutral with good ties with everyone in Pakistan’s case easier to be pro west to achieve that. Being anti west closes a lot more doors than it opens for Pakistan.

Wish he hadn’t gone against military or against the west. Still don’t get why he did it, even military supported pti early on to the dismay of the opposition parties. He’d still be there I reckon if he hadn’t . And I’d much rather have a guy that we can more likely trust than the corrupt politicians that we have as an alternative.

 

[emranabbas]

Do you have a brain to narrate your thoughts in your own writing rather than copy paste AI generated stuff?
Such a waste of time reading all this crap

These are my opinions, backed by facts. If you don’t even understand what AI is and what it does, do me a everyone a favour and stay quiet. Instead of throwing one-liners like illiterates from some village, go read some actual history on Pakistan, KPK, Balochistan, and Kashmir. Then come back and point what part of it isn't a fact.

just because it don't align with your propaganda don't mean it isn't facts.

 

[JaDed]

I think that’s what did it for Imran khan. He chose to side with the other side. And that didn’t go down well with the military.

I personally don’t understand the appeal over siding with Russia, Afghanistan, anti west. Over the west in general. I don’t think it benefits the country. Add India to the mix and it becomes even harder to take that side. I know he went on about being an independent but we all know in reality that isn’t possible until you are strong enough to stand on your own.

I even understand it from a military perspective. If India decide to invade/fight can you rely on Russia or even China coming to your aid? Unlikely they will side with India. China will likely stay out of it. West there’s more hope of support.

And ironically in terms of being a true neutral with good ties with everyone in Pakistan’s case easier to be pro west to achieve that. Being anti west closes a lot more doors than it opens for Pakistan.

Wish he hadn’t gone against military or against the west. Still don’t get why he did it, even military supported pti early on to the dismay of the opposition parties. He’d still be there I reckon if he hadn’t . And I’d much rather have a guy that we can more likely trust than the corrupt politicians that we have as an alternative.

He wasn’t anti-west he was just trying to be neutral.. I agree on the timing the meeting was insanely off but it was planned in advance.

Also India wasn’t in the mix back then US was wooing India, IK Had chosen China-Russia nexus

 

[emranabbas]

I think that’s what did it for Imran khan. He chose to side with the other side. And that didn’t go down well with the military.

I personally don’t understand the appeal over siding with Russia, Afghanistan, anti west. Over the west in general. I don’t think it benefits the country. Add India to the mix and it becomes even harder to take that side. I know he went on about being an independent but we all know in reality that isn’t possible until you are strong enough to stand on your own.

I even understand it from a military perspective. If India decide to invade/fight can you rely on Russia or even China coming to your aid? Unlikely they will side with India. China will likely stay out of it. West there’s more hope of support.

And ironically in terms of being a true neutral with good ties with everyone in Pakistan’s case easier to be pro west to achieve that. Being anti west closes a lot more doors than it opens for Pakistan.

Wish he hadn’t gone against military or against the west. Still don’t get why he did it, even military supported pti early on to the dismay of the opposition parties. He’d still be there I reckon if he hadn’t . And I’d much rather have a guy that we can more likely trust than the corrupt politicians that we have as an alternative.

its more to do with aligning with anti Pakistan forces like India and Afghanistan than going against the west like USA.

 

[Syed1]

I know this will never happen but traitors like Asim Munir and his cronies must be held accountable and punished for their crimes. Nothing will change in this country until the powerful can get away with anything they’ve done wrong.

At this point the whole nation is waiting for a strategically placed mango crate.

 

[psyoptica]

I think that’s what did it for Imran khan. He chose to side with the other side. And that didn’t go down well with the military.

I personally don’t understand the appeal over siding with Russia, Afghanistan, anti west. Over the west in general. I don’t think it benefits the country. Add India to the mix and it becomes even harder to take that side. I know he went on about being an independent but we all know in reality that isn’t possible until you are strong enough to stand on your own.

I even understand it from a military perspective. If India decide to invade/fight can you rely on Russia or even China coming to your aid? Unlikely they will side with India. China will likely stay out of it. West there’s more hope of support.

And ironically in terms of being a true neutral with good ties with everyone in Pakistan’s case easier to be pro west to achieve that. Being anti west closes a lot more doors than it opens for Pakistan.

Wish he hadn’t gone against military or against the west. Still don’t get why he did it, even military supported pti early on to the dismay of the opposition parties. He’d still be there I reckon if he hadn’t . And I’d much rather have a guy that we can more likely trust than the corrupt politicians that we have as an alternative.

In what way he went against the West? Care to elaborate?

 

[KingKhanWC]

AI should be ashamed of itself

No email from maryam nawaz this morning, had to resort to chat.

I think that’s what did it for Imran khan. He chose to side with the other side. And that didn’t go down well with the military.

I personally don’t understand the appeal over siding with Russia, Afghanistan, anti west. Over the west in general. I don’t think it benefits the country. Add India to the mix and it becomes even harder to take that side. I know he went on about being an independent but we all know in reality that isn’t possible until you are strong enough to stand on your own.

I even understand it from a military perspective. If India decide to invade/fight can you rely on Russia or even China coming to your aid? Unlikely they will side with India. China will likely stay out of it. West there’s more hope of support.

And ironically in terms of being a true neutral with good ties with everyone in Pakistan’s case easier to be pro west to achieve that. Being anti west closes a lot more doors than it opens for Pakistan.

Wish he hadn’t gone against military or against the west. Still don’t get why he did it, even military supported pti early on to the dismay of the opposition parties. He’d still be there I reckon if he hadn’t . And I’d much rather have a guy that we can more likely trust than the corrupt politicians that we have as an alternative.

Imran was far ahead of his time , he mentioned many times he’s knows the west well, also referring to western elite. He understood the west is ultimately controlled by those who want to harm Pakistan , Muslims and Islam . Russia and China are more honest and have no such ambitions.

Imran stood strong against their appeals, he’s in the Epstein files as a feared leader for this reason. Imran wanted a balanced relationship, not as slaves . The Pakistani people also don’t want this but now the regime has humiliated Pakistan by bending over fullly to Israel by joining its board of peace .

 

[psyoptica]

These are my opinions, backed by facts. If you don’t even understand what AI is and what it does, do me a everyone a favour and stay quiet. Instead of throwing one-liners like illiterates from some village, go read some actual history on Pakistan, KPK, Balochistan, and Kashmir. Then come back and point what part of it isn't a fact.

just because it don't align with your propaganda don't mean it isn't facts.

Lol no that’s not how it works. Those are NOT your opinions rather something curated by AI inline with your views. That’s blatant plagiarism and cheapens the quality of debate. Don’t think folks are stupid here. Actually use some effort if you’re going to be posting on a public forum.
I remember you taunting and throwing laughing emojis on posts that were called out for being AI generated.

 

[psyoptica]

Also the irony of calling me an illiterate village idiot when you can’t even write your own sentences lmao @emranabbas

 

[emranabbas]

Lol no that’s not how it works. Those are NOT your opinions rather something curated by AI inline with your views. That’s blatant plagiarism and cheapens the quality of debate. Don’t think folks are stupid here. Actually use some effort if you’re going to be posting on a public forum.
I remember you taunting and throwing laughing emojis on posts that were called out for being AI generated.

Go on then prove these aren’t my opinions. I don’t know about others, but you’re clearly stupid.

Nice attempt at derailing the thread though. When you don’t have answers to the facts, you change the subject.

Either respond to my points with facts and evidence, or admit you have nothing to say and move on.

 

[psyoptica]

Go on then prove these aren’t my opinions. I don’t know about others, but you’re clearly stupid.

Nice attempt at derailing the thread though. When you don’t have answers to the facts, you change the subject.

Either respond to my points with facts and evidence, or admit you have nothing to say and move on.

Use AI to counter your points.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I’m pretty sure that is made up. I remember coming across his posts of desperately wanting to leave the country.
He claims he voted for PTI in the last election which is baffling. I feel like Mamoon and Major are opposite sides of the same coin, Major with poorer English skills. They are here for attention and shock value.

Yep, he has visited India which is weird for a Pakistani national, and it puts me in the mind of an Afghan who was on a Muslim matrimonial website who was working alongside British intelligence to gather information on British Muslims.

 

[emranabbas]

Use AI to counter your points.

first prove this is AI if you can prove it then you can.

there is a B button on top which makes certain text bold just because some text is bold don't make it AI

so go on prove it and don't run away

 

[emranabbas]

@psyoptica regardless if its AI or not are you going to counter every single point with evidence or are you going to take a runner?

 

[psyoptica]

first prove this is AI if you can prove it then you can.

there is a B button on top which makes certain text bold just because some text is bold don't make it AI

so go on prove it and don't run away

We’re not stupid so please just stop. I don’t mind reading incoherent and sometimes incomprehensible stuff you write but copying text from somewhere and trying to come across as intelligent is very dishonest and disrespectful to the posters who actually make an effort to write. It’s easy to discern when something is not written by someone. I’ve seen @Devadwal do this too off and on. Don’t be insecure about your writing skills. I won’t be commenting on this any further

 

[psyoptica]

@psyoptica regardless if its AI or not are you going to counter every single point with evidence or are you going to take a runner?

Write in your own words first. I don’t have the time to counter AI written bs

 

[ads101]

He wasn’t anti-west he was just trying to be neutral.. I agree on the timing the meeting was insanely off but it was planned in advance.

Also India wasn’t in the mix back then US was wooing India, IK Had chosen China-Russia nexus

You can’t be neutral if you’re a small an economy as Pakistan is. Just reality. India are probably one of the few that pull it off to some extent, but even then it isn’t easy and it helps India is one of the biggest economies in the world. Pakistan on the other hand is deeply reliant on foreign countries and aid to stay afloat right now.

Imran has repeatedly criticises US foreign policy, visits to Putin, pro taliban etc. There’s enough to show he isn’t too pro USA. By anti west I don’t mean necessarily he hates the west. He might be even neutral. But being simply not pro- west is often enough to change relations. Even the Putin meeting, even if it’s planned in advance he doesn’t go if he’s really on usa’s side. He went. And yes unfortunately the USA really is the west as it’s the main controlling power. But there’s enough things in my opinion to show he was pulling way from USA towards the other direction. And if you’re not pro west/USA that’s enough to stop their support. USA and Pakistan relations worsened during his time.

You can see how desperate the current Pakistan government is to restore those relations. Nominating trump for peace prize, thanking him etc. Is actually embarrassing. But that’s how desperate they are right now.

Maybe he did truly want to be a neutral. But then he’s very naive if that’s the case. Nearly every country is aligned with either us or China to varying degrees. I feel he was trying to push the needle more towards the China-Russia side. I think he went to Putin because he saw a chance to get a great trade deal given the circumstances. Russia ended up stabbing him in the back anyway denying they promised him anything. Thus he ended up getting nothing as well as irritating the west.

Even when he was ousted he was convinced it was a US plot to get him out. Whether he was correct or not, that alone shows relations were waning between Imran and the west. And of course USA were hardly going to do anything to help Imran out or intervene either when he was being disposed or even while in jail. Because relations aren’t great between them.

In recent times it seems like USA is again pulling away from India again and back to Pakistan. Which is probably what the military wanted. Whether that happened more due to trump’s actions with tariffs etc. A few years ago it really looked like USA was giving up on Pakistan and moving more in support towards India. I think that situation worried the military somewhat.

 

[emranabbas]

Write in your own words first. I don’t have the time to counter AI written bs

new runaway tactic its AI when its not

don't try to debate with me and then run away

 

[psyoptica]

You can’t be neutral if you’re a small an economy as Pakistan is. Just reality. India are probably one of the few that pull it off to some extent, but even then it isn’t easy and it helps India is one of the biggest economies in the world. Pakistan on the other hand is deeply reliant on foreign countries and aid to stay afloat right now.

Imran has repeatedly criticises US foreign policy, visits to Putin, pro taliban etc. There’s enough to show he isn’t too pro USA. By anti west I don’t mean necessarily he hates the west. He might be even neutral. But being simply not pro- west is often enough to change relations. Even the Putin meeting, even if it’s planned in advance he doesn’t go if he’s really on usa’s side. He went. And yes unfortunately the USA really is the west as it’s the main controlling power. But there’s enough things in my opinion to show he was pulling way from USA towards the other direction. And if you’re not pro west/USA that’s enough to stop their support. USA and Pakistan relations worsened during his time.

You can see how desperate the current Pakistan government is to restore those relations. Nominating trump for peace prize, thanking him etc. Is actually embarrassing. But that’s how desperate they are right now.

Maybe he did truly want to be a neutral. But then he’s very naive if that’s the case. Nearly every country is aligned with either us or China to varying degrees. I feel he was trying to push the needle more towards the China-Russia side. I think he went to Putin because he saw a chance to get a great trade deal given the circumstances. Russia ended up stabbing him in the back anyway denying they promised him anything. Thus he ended up getting nothing as well as irritating the west.

Even when he was ousted he was convinced it was a US plot to get him out. Whether he was correct or not, that alone shows relations were waning between Imran and the west. And of course USA were hardly going to do anything to help Imran out or intervene either when he was being disposed or even while in jail. Because relations aren’t great between them.

In recent times it seems like USA is again pulling away from India again and back to Pakistan. Which is probably what the military wanted. Whether that happened more due to trump’s actions with tariffs etc. A few years ago it really looked like USA was giving up on Pakistan and moving more in support towards India. I think that situation worried the military somewhat.

This is a very narrow minded take but i respect it.
Imran Khan wanted to establish ties with the US and was in good terms with Trump. The problem was, he didn’t wanna suck up to the US like the current government or like Zelinski who was humiliated in front of the world media. His stance was that Pakistan is an independent and sovereign nation and should he free from foreign interference. Him sucking up to the US wouldn’t have panned out in the long run anyways. He was doing the right thing by diversifying and strengthening relationships with other countries rather than solely relying on the US. Just what Canada is doing now but Imran Khan definitely overestimated his powers and was pinned down for it. He wanted to build friendly relations with Taliban. his thinking was that years of war and fighting had yielded nothing therefore he wanted to approach it from a different angle. It’s very rare to see pragmatic leaders like him these days.
Imran Khan like leaders work for first world countries but not for a country like Pakistan.

 

[JaDed]

You can’t be neutral if you’re a small an economy as Pakistan is. Just reality. India are probably one of the few that pull it off to some extent, but even then it isn’t easy and it helps India is one of the biggest economies in the world. Pakistan on the other hand is deeply reliant on foreign countries and aid to stay afloat right now.

Imran has repeatedly criticises US foreign policy, visits to Putin, pro taliban etc. There’s enough to show he isn’t too pro USA. By anti west I don’t mean necessarily he hates the west. He might be even neutral. But being simply not pro- west is often enough to change relations. Even the Putin meeting, even if it’s planned in advance he doesn’t go if he’s really on usa’s side. He went. And yes unfortunately the USA really is the west as it’s the main controlling power. But there’s enough things in my opinion to show he was pulling way from USA towards the other direction. And if you’re not pro west/USA that’s enough to stop their support. USA and Pakistan relations worsened during his time.

You can see how desperate the current Pakistan government is to restore those relations. Nominating trump for peace prize, thanking him etc. Is actually embarrassing. But that’s how desperate they are right now.

Maybe he did truly want to be a neutral. But then he’s very naive if that’s the case. Nearly every country is aligned with either us or China to varying degrees. I feel he was trying to push the needle more towards the China-Russia side. I think he went to Putin because he saw a chance to get a great trade deal given the circumstances. Russia ended up stabbing him in the back anyway denying they promised him anything. Thus he ended up getting nothing as well as irritating the west.

Even when he was ousted he was convinced it was a US plot to get him out. Whether he was correct or not, that alone shows relations were waning between Imran and the west. And of course USA were hardly going to do anything to help Imran out or intervene either when he was being disposed or even while in jail. Because relations aren’t great between them.

In recent times it seems like USA is again pulling away from India again and back to Pakistan. Which is probably what the military wanted. Whether that happened more due to trump’s actions with tariffs etc. A few years ago it really looked like USA was giving up on Pakistan and moving more in support towards India. I think that situation worried the military somewhat.

US might had pulled back from India to Pakistan.. but tariff issue has been resolved, heck even visa wise India is doing better than Pak.
I think IK realized the duplicity of US towards Pak.

I agree he shouldn’t had gone completely against US, but that probably is because he didn’t think how much the Pak Establishment was under the influence of US, even the Indian think tanks were surprised at the brutality handed out to IK, there is enough evidence US was involved.

Pak Establishment can’t always depend upon someone… and yes it was unrealistic for IK to even threaten to challenge that narrative.

 

[ads101]

No email from maryam nawaz this morning, had to resort to chat.


Imran was far ahead of his time , he mentioned many times he’s knows the west well, also referring to western elite. He understood the west is ultimately controlled by those who want to harm Pakistan , Muslims and Islam . Russia and China are more honest and have no such ambitions.

Imran stood strong against their appeals, he’s in the Epstein files as a feared leader for this reason. Imran wanted a balanced relationship, not as slaves . The Pakistani people also don’t want this but now the regime has humiliated Pakistan by bending over fullly to Israel by joining its board of peace .

Russia backed the creation of Israel. They thought it would weaken the western influence in the Middle East. They have now reversed their position as now Israel strengthens western influence. I don’t belief their bombing/invasion of Ukraine is just either. They are doing just like what the rest do, whatever suits their needs. China props up North Korea which is a terrible situation with their leaders as it benefits China. And of course the persecution of Ugyhur Muslims.

Even Imran, what the taliban are doing in that country is wrong. It shouldn’t be supported. But Imran and Russia both encouraged recognising the Taliban government.

Every country is doing questionable things, in their best interests. And flip their opinions as well as their alliances based on what benefits them as a country.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia backed the creation of Israel. They thought it would weaken the western influence in the Middle East. They have now reversed their position as now Israel strengthens western influence. I don’t belief their bombing/invasion of Ukraine is just either. They are doing just like what the rest do, whatever suits their needs. China props up North Korea which is a terrible situation with their leaders as it benefits China. And of course the persecution of Ugyhur Muslims.

Even Imran, what the taliban are doing in that country is wrong. It shouldn’t be supported. But Imran and Russia both encouraged recognising the Taliban government.

Every country is doing questionable things, in their best interests. And flip their opinions as well as their alliances based on what benefits them as a country.

Russia didn’t exist , Soviet Union was an atheist regime , Marxist some say Jewish controlled . Today Russia is orthodox Christian. It’s one of a handful of nations not under control .

You brush it off instead of addressing Pakistan joining in partnership with Israel . The Epstein files shows once taking control , they will humiliate you like they are doing now and also to other countries. The current regime will be used to bring forth economic suffering , war , terrorism, civil conflict, abductions, torture ..the list goes on . Even if there is no Imran khan, these are a threat to national security.

 

[emranabbas]

This is a very narrow minded take but i respect it.
Imran Khan wanted to establish ties with the US and was in good terms with Trump. The problem was, he didn’t wanna suck up to the US like the current government or like Zelinski who was humiliated in front of the world media. His stance was that Pakistan is an independent and sovereign nation and should he free from foreign interference. Him sucking up to the US wouldn’t have panned out in the long run anyways. He was doing the right thing by diversifying and strengthening relationships with other countries rather than solely relying on the US. Just what Canada is doing now but Imran Khan definitely overestimated his powers and was pinned down for it. He wanted to build friendly relations with Taliban. his thinking was that years of war and fighting had yielded nothing therefore he wanted to approach it from a different angle. It’s very rare to see pragmatic leaders like him these days.
Imran Khan like leaders work for first world countries but not for a country like Pakistan.

There will never be good relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan unless Pakistan is willing to hand over control of KPK to Afghanistan. Pashtuns may welcome being governed by Afghanistan, but Pakistanis will never accept any part of Pakistani Land being given to Afghanistan or India.

Imran Khan was stupid to even try building friendly relations with the Taliban. Expecting trust or cooperation from a group that has historically challenged Pakistan’s borders and security.

and Taliban lives in your friend india's pocket they would never want Afghanistan and Pakistan to have good relations or else how will they sponsor Taliban to send terrorists into Pakistan to blow up Pakistani's?