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Imran Khan ousted as PM of Pakistan after a vote of no-confidence
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Imran will be back, he fought till he could, absolute respect for him for fighting for his beliefs to the best of his abilities.
He will always command more respect than the stooges.
It’s upto people of Pakistan to make the decision, this is their only chance to break the shackles of status quo and see changes.
He fought against establishment, opposition not sure what else is needed.
He will always command more respect than the stooges.
It’s upto people of Pakistan to make the decision, this is their only chance to break the shackles of status quo and see changes.
He fought against establishment, opposition not sure what else is needed.
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I remember during the star of this year, many posters were celebrating that Imran would become the first PM to complete 5 years..Oh my how that ended
I was one of them. I was convinced that would happen. Sad day for us.
This women reflects how many of us are feeling
https://twitter.com/i/status/1512917101593325571
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Many congratulations bro. Major milestone for our democracy. First time ever, a pathetic & incompetent govt kicked out constitutionally.
A question for you. Who caused more humiliation to Pakistan, general niazi or imran niazi?
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Finally a sane post here. I don’t know why some people are celebrating he is ousted. And they are calling us blind supporters.
As you know, I live a comfortable life in Norway, but my parents are both Pakistani and I have huge love for Pakistan and I don’t follow anyone blindly. He is the only man who tried give Pakistan self-respect, he even distanced himself from few of his party who were his very close ones but who got caught in corruption scandals. He is the only recent PM who is not corrupt.
Now Pakistan will have a PM who has corruption cases against himself. I mean how can people even defend this?
I feel sorry for Pakistan. Let’s see what happens from here.
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He fought disgracefully to save his PMship. That's how history will remember him & not for his performance or anything good he did in 4 years.
He already has several corruption allegations on him, many more to come in next few weeks.
Every PM had to fight against establishment & opposition. Nothing special about IK.
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BBC urdu said Khan had sacked Bajwa who then refused to follow orders.
Wouldn't be surprised.
Wouldn't be surprised.
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Wazir & Dawar are establishment's own assets. They are controlling military opposition through them in tribal areas.
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It's upto our people but I dont have hope.
This corrupt system runs too deep. What misfortune we have that Jinnah Quaid and Liaqat Ali Khan died within 4 years.
This has been the worst day for me as a Pakistani. And believe this is someone who's been through the 90s.
Imran should go and rest in UK with his family. If this nation wants to change itself now its upto them.
Respect to an Indian poster being honest.
That is my guess too! Do you have the link to this?
Nope. Do you even follow these two men? Do you know Ali Wazir has been in detention for more than a year after he criticise the army. Dawar is also very critical of the army and he is routinely banned from entering different cities to address his suporters.
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They have to present them as anti-establishment to achieve what is desired.
That is some crazy conspiracy theory!
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This is a very interesting question you asked because it shows how opinions are formed.
Public will always hate general niazi as they think he acted on his own when he knew the ground realities and was also following orders aswell.
While in imrans casez people are gonna believe in the foreign conspiracy, but only a few people know that it was the proceedings of the last 2-3 years which cause him to go out like this.
Truth wise, imran khan humilated pakistan alot.
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There are still alot of unanswered questions.
The timeline of 11:00 pm to 11:50 pm doesnt add up.
Alot of things happened that were overlooked after the NCM took place. Was Bajwa being removed? Why supreme court, high court and ecp openered?
Will these things come forward?
The timeline of 11:00 pm to 11:50 pm doesnt add up.
Alot of things happened that were overlooked after the NCM took place. Was Bajwa being removed? Why supreme court, high court and ecp openered?
Will these things come forward?
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Not a PTI member. But this is a sad day for Pakistan. Another PM not allowed to complete his term.
Not allowing a PM to complete his tenure because of 'inflation/bad economy' is incredibly lame and contrived. It is the sign of a weak and immature democracy. Even if you are in opposition to him, cheering this no-confidence vote is your shortsightedness.
IK should have been allowed to finish until 2023 and then be voted out or win another term based on electoral result of the public, not some horse-trading backroom deals of politicians.
Now you are going to have the country be run by an even weaker coalition without the participation of Pakistan's largest and most nationally represented party. This can only lead to further destabilization.
This no-confidence vote has damaged Pakistan in many ways that will become more apparent in the years to come.
Not allowing a PM to complete his tenure because of 'inflation/bad economy' is incredibly lame and contrived. It is the sign of a weak and immature democracy. Even if you are in opposition to him, cheering this no-confidence vote is your shortsightedness.
IK should have been allowed to finish until 2023 and then be voted out or win another term based on electoral result of the public, not some horse-trading backroom deals of politicians.
Now you are going to have the country be run by an even weaker coalition without the participation of Pakistan's largest and most nationally represented party. This can only lead to further destabilization.
This no-confidence vote has damaged Pakistan in many ways that will become more apparent in the years to come.
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Congratulations to those who are celebrating the change of government, personally, I hate this but let's hope that this can bring some temporary relief to our people.
My personal thoughts on the entire situation are that this was a very well-engineered plan that has been in motion for a very long time now. Maybe the only glitch in the plan was that the executors didn't expect any positive response from the public so they hurried up a few things at the final stage which ended up in losing the discreteness of the plot.
These are my thoughts on the entire three years of this, all conjecture of course
1. IK was given the government because of the public pressure and popularity. They simply couldn't deny that he was a strong character and had popularity but knew that he won't be able to perform so giving him a chance won't hurt anyone.
2. He wasn't also given a strong government so he'd never be fully independent. People were added and subtracted from his party in different forms like not letting him contest against Ali Wazir or Dawar (etc.) and seat adjustments with PMLQ. This meant that even though PTI was a majority party, they never really were a party with true power.
3. Everyone knew that the economy was absolutely shoddy when the government was formed. It was pretty clear that an idealist like IK wouldn't go to IMF and the crisis will basically end his popularity. That would be an ideal time to move a few MNA's from here to there but they needed him to lose public support to avoid any outrage if they carried out such a move. They also wanted to give him a bit of time because no one wanted him to become a martyr. Somehow, the first difficult phase was managed by IK even though he did lose some support from both the public and the party while navigating these choppy waters.
4. Once the first phase was over, this is the time problems started to appear and the clash of ideology between the establishment and IK started to become bigger. The acceptance of Israel and the strategy on US exit from Afg just increased the gap even more. Nawaz had to be moved out as well and that became a big point of difference.
5. Another key issue was the NRO; the establishment was keen on creating an empty slate with politicians and starting afresh but that never happened. This blatant no from IK resulted in the establishment giving covert NROs to everyone, be it Shehbaz, Hamza, Maryam, or whoever but it was hidden behind the garb of procedural complexities and the public just kept thinking that accountability isn't something that can be executed by Imran.
6. The 2019 end covid crisis actually ensured that IK ruled a lot longer than it was planned. No one wanted to do anything during that phase so people just backed out of removing him. I personally thought that this was the time when they had originally planned to subtract IK from the political scene but the severity of the crisis and his handling of it all added a little lease of life to his premiership.
7. Moving a bit forward, when Gilani was elected as a senator, IK had actually lost the parliament on that day. If PDM wanted to remove him, they could have easily done that but instead, they decided to let him carry on because the economy was doing badly and he was losing popularity every day. For this reason, they decided that as IK's idealism is veering off, people would automatically be tired of him so they let it go further. The formation of PDM also was a pressure tactic to keep everyone on their toes in the establishment. It was also a chance to let Maryam back into mainstream politics to PMLN could align their future and see who will be their next breakout star.
8. The major issue between IK and the rest of the powers (opposition and establishment) surfaced when despite all the crises, the global indicators of the economy started to go in the right direction. That's when an emergency plan was set up because now everyone realized that if this keeps going on this way, IK may actually win some popularity back. They didn't want to just oust him, they wanted him out disgraced and with a broken reputation. This is when they realized they have to act really quickly and hence the plan was set in motion.
9. Since IK had taken a vote of confidence they needed to wait for 12 or so months (i think it's a constitutional requirement but I can be wrong) and the day that date was up, the vote of no confidence was filed.
10. The intelligence gathering for this operation was done by the US diplomats, the resources were provided by the establishment, and the deals were sealed by PPP & Noon. The US staff also roamed so freely in the country and met whoever they wanted to meet under the sun to prove a point and to rub it into our faces that we are here and you can't do anything about it.
11. The only issue in the plan was (and is) that the public rallied for IK when this actually happened. No one thought that the public would respond in this way to him as it was a common perception that IK is all words no action and inflation has hit an all-time high and the public is tired of him. IK had after all lost most of the by-elections and done really badly in the local body elections in KPK that's traditionally a PTI powerhouse. This public outpouring of emotion hasn't changed anything in the bigger plan but it has meant that mistakes were made during execution which has revealed the characters behind the plot out in the open.
Some but not all the mistakes that were made include but are not limited to
a. Opening the court on a holiday
b. filing a petition in Islamabad HC to seal the letter giving it the status of a state secret
c. The statement of the election commissioner
d. re-opening the Supreme court at 12:00 a.m. on a holiday even before a petition is even filed while rejecting the government's petition in the day citing that these aren't court hours
e. Getting TLP involved in this political bout
I feel that these are just stupid mistakes made by people who were rattled by the unpredictability of IK. They were afraid that IK may just fire a few people and create a hassle even though they did have backups for that as well.
Point is, all of this is now said and done and we cannot change anything about it. We may call it a national government, establishment-assisted judiciary-approved coup, regime change, or just another day in Pakistani politics based on whatever our affiliations are in the political spectrum.
I've long come to the conclusion that there are multiple issues in Pakistan and no single person can actually fix our country. I do believe however that we need to constantly struggle and strive for our ideals/true worth and life is actually all about just trying and putting in the effort. Good days or bad days don't really define us as there's a lot of flux between these two and things can change pretty quickly. In a personal capacity and at this moment, I'm badly hurt by how this has happened but then, on the other hand, I see my country folk rejoice so I'm glad that at least someone is happy in all of this.
I hope there won't be a lot of vendetta against PTI but based on the past history, it's probably too much to ask for. I also mentioned in another thread that I see this as an end of PTI and IK in power politics. He's become too big a fish for this pond so now he'll be cut down to size where his role remains that of a political disruptor instead of the political process. I hope my people also stop looking up to IK as a Messiah and understand that we need to set realistic expectations from political leaders.
Rest is upto Allah subhana ho wa taala, jo Rabb ki marzi, woh hi hamaari bhi. But I do pray that hopefully, there will be a day when my country is truly free and prosperous and may we get to see that day. Ameen.
My personal thoughts on the entire situation are that this was a very well-engineered plan that has been in motion for a very long time now. Maybe the only glitch in the plan was that the executors didn't expect any positive response from the public so they hurried up a few things at the final stage which ended up in losing the discreteness of the plot.
These are my thoughts on the entire three years of this, all conjecture of course
1. IK was given the government because of the public pressure and popularity. They simply couldn't deny that he was a strong character and had popularity but knew that he won't be able to perform so giving him a chance won't hurt anyone.
2. He wasn't also given a strong government so he'd never be fully independent. People were added and subtracted from his party in different forms like not letting him contest against Ali Wazir or Dawar (etc.) and seat adjustments with PMLQ. This meant that even though PTI was a majority party, they never really were a party with true power.
3. Everyone knew that the economy was absolutely shoddy when the government was formed. It was pretty clear that an idealist like IK wouldn't go to IMF and the crisis will basically end his popularity. That would be an ideal time to move a few MNA's from here to there but they needed him to lose public support to avoid any outrage if they carried out such a move. They also wanted to give him a bit of time because no one wanted him to become a martyr. Somehow, the first difficult phase was managed by IK even though he did lose some support from both the public and the party while navigating these choppy waters.
4. Once the first phase was over, this is the time problems started to appear and the clash of ideology between the establishment and IK started to become bigger. The acceptance of Israel and the strategy on US exit from Afg just increased the gap even more. Nawaz had to be moved out as well and that became a big point of difference.
5. Another key issue was the NRO; the establishment was keen on creating an empty slate with politicians and starting afresh but that never happened. This blatant no from IK resulted in the establishment giving covert NROs to everyone, be it Shehbaz, Hamza, Maryam, or whoever but it was hidden behind the garb of procedural complexities and the public just kept thinking that accountability isn't something that can be executed by Imran.
6. The 2019 end covid crisis actually ensured that IK ruled a lot longer than it was planned. No one wanted to do anything during that phase so people just backed out of removing him. I personally thought that this was the time when they had originally planned to subtract IK from the political scene but the severity of the crisis and his handling of it all added a little lease of life to his premiership.
7. Moving a bit forward, when Gilani was elected as a senator, IK had actually lost the parliament on that day. If PDM wanted to remove him, they could have easily done that but instead, they decided to let him carry on because the economy was doing badly and he was losing popularity every day. For this reason, they decided that as IK's idealism is veering off, people would automatically be tired of him so they let it go further. The formation of PDM also was a pressure tactic to keep everyone on their toes in the establishment. It was also a chance to let Maryam back into mainstream politics to PMLN could align their future and see who will be their next breakout star.
8. The major issue between IK and the rest of the powers (opposition and establishment) surfaced when despite all the crises, the global indicators of the economy started to go in the right direction. That's when an emergency plan was set up because now everyone realized that if this keeps going on this way, IK may actually win some popularity back. They didn't want to just oust him, they wanted him out disgraced and with a broken reputation. This is when they realized they have to act really quickly and hence the plan was set in motion.
9. Since IK had taken a vote of confidence they needed to wait for 12 or so months (i think it's a constitutional requirement but I can be wrong) and the day that date was up, the vote of no confidence was filed.
10. The intelligence gathering for this operation was done by the US diplomats, the resources were provided by the establishment, and the deals were sealed by PPP & Noon. The US staff also roamed so freely in the country and met whoever they wanted to meet under the sun to prove a point and to rub it into our faces that we are here and you can't do anything about it.
11. The only issue in the plan was (and is) that the public rallied for IK when this actually happened. No one thought that the public would respond in this way to him as it was a common perception that IK is all words no action and inflation has hit an all-time high and the public is tired of him. IK had after all lost most of the by-elections and done really badly in the local body elections in KPK that's traditionally a PTI powerhouse. This public outpouring of emotion hasn't changed anything in the bigger plan but it has meant that mistakes were made during execution which has revealed the characters behind the plot out in the open.
Some but not all the mistakes that were made include but are not limited to
a. Opening the court on a holiday
b. filing a petition in Islamabad HC to seal the letter giving it the status of a state secret
c. The statement of the election commissioner
d. re-opening the Supreme court at 12:00 a.m. on a holiday even before a petition is even filed while rejecting the government's petition in the day citing that these aren't court hours
e. Getting TLP involved in this political bout
I feel that these are just stupid mistakes made by people who were rattled by the unpredictability of IK. They were afraid that IK may just fire a few people and create a hassle even though they did have backups for that as well.
Point is, all of this is now said and done and we cannot change anything about it. We may call it a national government, establishment-assisted judiciary-approved coup, regime change, or just another day in Pakistani politics based on whatever our affiliations are in the political spectrum.
I've long come to the conclusion that there are multiple issues in Pakistan and no single person can actually fix our country. I do believe however that we need to constantly struggle and strive for our ideals/true worth and life is actually all about just trying and putting in the effort. Good days or bad days don't really define us as there's a lot of flux between these two and things can change pretty quickly. In a personal capacity and at this moment, I'm badly hurt by how this has happened but then, on the other hand, I see my country folk rejoice so I'm glad that at least someone is happy in all of this.
I hope there won't be a lot of vendetta against PTI but based on the past history, it's probably too much to ask for. I also mentioned in another thread that I see this as an end of PTI and IK in power politics. He's become too big a fish for this pond so now he'll be cut down to size where his role remains that of a political disruptor instead of the political process. I hope my people also stop looking up to IK as a Messiah and understand that we need to set realistic expectations from political leaders.
Rest is upto Allah subhana ho wa taala, jo Rabb ki marzi, woh hi hamaari bhi. But I do pray that hopefully, there will be a day when my country is truly free and prosperous and may we get to see that day. Ameen.
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I was so depressed today and I did not think anything could make me feel any worse. But then I read your post. And then i read it again.
I actually agreed with much of what you wrote, however my heart wont let me believe this is the end of IK. That's just too much to take for one day.
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Let’s assume Imran Khan was unfit to lead the country.
However, if you seriously believe that the opposition is far better suited to tackle the challenges the country is facing then I doubt your sincerity and judgment skills.
However, if you seriously believe that the opposition is far better suited to tackle the challenges the country is facing then I doubt your sincerity and judgment skills.
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Hard-hitting analysis!
Our courts are a joke. No wonder our judicial system is ranked so low in the world….among the bottom 10 nations!
Judiciary saw the shameless bazaar of horse-trading in Sindh House, MPs being bought like cattle, yet no suo moto action. In any other civilised self-respecting nation, the courts would have stepped forward after seeing this shameless tamasha and ordered to block NCM until a full investigation had been completed.
- Uzair Baloch ka qatal ho…. Courts are silent!
- Nazim Jokhio ka murder ho by a sitting PPP MPA Sindh….. courts pe joun (lice) tak nahin rengti!
- 16 innocent people killed in model town…. Yet no prompt action by the courts
- PML-N ki ruling elite ko relief dene ka matter ho…..Lahore high court Sunday night ko bhi Khul jaati hai!
- PDM ko relief dene ka matter ho….SC late Sunday night ko bhi khul jaati hai
PTI government rightly refused to give money to media houses who are already super rich (from tax payers hard-earned cash. No free foreign trips, no free umrah or Haj either)
Now the corrupt ‘tola’ will shower money on the same media houses (GEO, Dawn, Samaa, Dunya, ARY etc) and they will start singing their praises.
Only ARY and Dunya are neutral..
Sad state of affairs in Pakistan…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BY-kz_zYWHs&t=623s
Our courts are a joke. No wonder our judicial system is ranked so low in the world….among the bottom 10 nations!
Judiciary saw the shameless bazaar of horse-trading in Sindh House, MPs being bought like cattle, yet no suo moto action. In any other civilised self-respecting nation, the courts would have stepped forward after seeing this shameless tamasha and ordered to block NCM until a full investigation had been completed.
- Uzair Baloch ka qatal ho…. Courts are silent!
- Nazim Jokhio ka murder ho by a sitting PPP MPA Sindh….. courts pe joun (lice) tak nahin rengti!
- 16 innocent people killed in model town…. Yet no prompt action by the courts
- PML-N ki ruling elite ko relief dene ka matter ho…..Lahore high court Sunday night ko bhi Khul jaati hai!
- PDM ko relief dene ka matter ho….SC late Sunday night ko bhi khul jaati hai
PTI government rightly refused to give money to media houses who are already super rich (from tax payers hard-earned cash. No free foreign trips, no free umrah or Haj either)
Now the corrupt ‘tola’ will shower money on the same media houses (GEO, Dawn, Samaa, Dunya, ARY etc) and they will start singing their praises.
Only ARY and Dunya are neutral..
Sad state of affairs in Pakistan…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BY-kz_zYWHs&t=623s
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PDM is an unnatural alliance. It is only a matter of time before this corrupt cabal squabbles like small kids to get a piece of the pie.
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Now waiting to get Petrol at Rs. 100, sugar at 60, flour at 35 hopefully Showbaz will deliver to finish IK once and for all.
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This is not the first time this script is being executed, it's a very tried and tested one and it has worked before as well. PTI needs to buckle up in the trenches otherwise they'll be cut down faster than we can imagine. In cricketing terms, this is a match against ATG fast bowlers, on a fast Perth pitch, with no helmets, and biased umpires who are out there to prove a point.
The pre-2018 PTI was seen as a joke but the post-2018 PTI is seen as a threat and knives are out and gloves are off. Sharif clan is brutal when they have power and in a way, Punjab was still being run by them despite PTI being in power. Now they will be officially in power and the things that they can do are scary. Do remember that PPP had ZAB's ideology and a Bhutto at the party's helm and their power center was Punjab but IJI and Noon have actually pretty much wiped PPP from Punjab. Noon also controls the media completely and them being in at the helm means even more media management so people won't actually see anything except what they want them to see.
I also don't believe that this will be the end of IK's political career but I feel that he won't be the prime minister again as he isn't winning this many seats again. He has the potential to become a really good leader if he plans his next moves properly but from now it's a game of chess. He has to identify which areas he can win, which areas he can compete in, and train his returning officers for election day to eliminate chances of rigging.
Punjab is the key vote and with Noon back in power there and with their election commission, winning Punjab isn't going to be easy for PTI. Gujranwala, Sialkot, and Faisalabad divisions alone have like 40 seats in NA and no one is challenging Noon there. Plus, they will get Nawaz back at a very favorable time, and it'll give them a great election boost no matter when he's back. Return of the long-gone king who was kept in exile by a Tyrant Niazi on false cases - even though the cases weren't even created by IK and Nawaz left Pak at his own will. No matter how much people chime that PTI is a cult, the real cult is these dynastic parties where people lap up their slave masters with great fervor and obedience.
Khan's momentum will run dry in a month or so and that's what even the establishment is betting on. This will be a true test for PTI and Khan because, in a way, PTI is IK and IK is PTI. Fingers crossed, InshAllah acha hi ho ga jo bhi hua.
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Meeting Putin in Russia the day before it attacked Ukraine was the biggest blunder one could ever do.
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He got used by putin. America doesnt like him, oic has a tilt towards israel and US. Saudia and UAE also dont care for him that much.
He should go to india
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hopefully Shehaz Sharif will improve his Englisg fluency for foreign visits
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and buy alot of cherry blossom.
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Is their a chance a South Punjab province can be created before the elections? So even if Central Punjab is a lot cause that PTI can win over their.
Absolutely. Shahbaz as PM his son as CM. Maryam waiting in the wings. And the worst one is Junaid Safdar is father already said he is going to enter politics.
And the less said about PPP the better.
Evidence?
Thought so. Meeting Russia was a business orientated move. With the west making reckless decisions about energy we had a huge chance to get it.
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So the crooks, thieves and down right shady have slimed their way back to power.
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SRK, i have known you for some time on this forum. Yes i do not agree with yiur caustic views on India.But knowing how you lost your father at a very young age and the media speculation around it. Its a shame people drag your family into all this.
I apologise on their behalf.
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The same here. Even with disagreement, you can expect that Major will always have a good arguement and won't go down the path of personal attacks. The posts that attacked him on personal level last night was very disappointing. I only saw it later in your quotes. Those were very unfortunate and those who wrote major those words; should apologise to him.
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ISLAMABAD: After serving for two years as the Attorney-General of Pakistan, Khalid Javed Khan stepped down from the post late Saturday night after Imran Khan ceased to hold the office of the prime minister of Pakistan as he lost the majority in the Upper House of Parliament (National Assembly), The News reported.
"I have been serving the post of Attorney General of Pakistan since February, 2020. For this honor and privilege, I remain profoundly grateful to Prime Minister Imran Khan,” Khalid Javed said while tendering his resignation.
A letter sent by him to the President of Pakistan Arif Alvi stated:
"I have tried to serve the country to the best of my ability and conscience and I now deem it appropriate to tender my resignation."
The Opposition ousted Imran Khan from the post of prime minister through a successful no-confidence motion, making him the first prime minister of Pakistan to be removed by this method.
As many as 174 members of the National Assembly voted against Imran, deciding his fate after a lot of drama in the House that continued till Saturday midnight.
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"I have been serving the post of Attorney General of Pakistan since February, 2020. For this honor and privilege, I remain profoundly grateful to Prime Minister Imran Khan,” Khalid Javed said while tendering his resignation.
A letter sent by him to the President of Pakistan Arif Alvi stated:
"I have tried to serve the country to the best of my ability and conscience and I now deem it appropriate to tender my resignation."
The Opposition ousted Imran Khan from the post of prime minister through a successful no-confidence motion, making him the first prime minister of Pakistan to be removed by this method.
As many as 174 members of the National Assembly voted against Imran, deciding his fate after a lot of drama in the House that continued till Saturday midnight.
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Fazlu's father, Zardari's father and similar filth who opposed creation of Pakistan, lost in 1947.
These people and their next generation's only achievement has been to steal and stash some rupias
Baaqi 1947 se lage hue hain aor kuch nahi bigaad sake Pakistan ka. Ab government dobara aa gyi hai, siwaye chori ke kuch nahi karen ge.
Stealing and funneling money outside is / will be their only legacy.
At people who actually care about Pakistan: there is man's plan and then there is Allah SWT's Plan: have faith in It, now more than ever!
No need to be bogged down by these thieves and their (enslaved) minions.
These people and their next generation's only achievement has been to steal and stash some rupias
Baaqi 1947 se lage hue hain aor kuch nahi bigaad sake Pakistan ka. Ab government dobara aa gyi hai, siwaye chori ke kuch nahi karen ge.
Stealing and funneling money outside is / will be their only legacy.
At people who actually care about Pakistan: there is man's plan and then there is Allah SWT's Plan: have faith in It, now more than ever!
No need to be bogged down by these thieves and their (enslaved) minions.
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1. So who is the new Prime Minister?
2. Has the army chief been sacked?
2. Has the army chief been sacked?
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Lol, who cares?
All major Army generals, politicians, judges and establishment chiefs have their sons and daughters married to each other.
Pakistan is not a banana republic, it is a criminal enterprise.
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Saleem Safi, a shameless sold out journalist, is Diesel's pithoo, so obvously he would know about any conspiracy or NCM against Imran
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[MENTION=133726]GoUgandaCranes[/MENTION] wonderful analysis
It was a well orchestrated coup, I think Army will try to finish his political career as he clearly didn’t listen to them. Bajwa during LUMs visit said that Imran didn’t listen to his advice of condemning Russia in UN, and there will be consequences by the west if he doesn’t do. Recent statement of COAS on Russia was opposite to official stance adopted by Pakistan by abstaining from vote and not condemning Russia attack on Ukraine. Why did he make that statement once Imran was about to go from PM office?
Establishment think that IK is threat to national security by openly going against USA and talking against EU in the public rallies. I think everything was going fine till controversy of DG ISI started but this decision of IK going to Russia was final nail in the coffin for the establishment.
It was a well orchestrated coup, I think Army will try to finish his political career as he clearly didn’t listen to them. Bajwa during LUMs visit said that Imran didn’t listen to his advice of condemning Russia in UN, and there will be consequences by the west if he doesn’t do. Recent statement of COAS on Russia was opposite to official stance adopted by Pakistan by abstaining from vote and not condemning Russia attack on Ukraine. Why did he make that statement once Imran was about to go from PM office?
Establishment think that IK is threat to national security by openly going against USA and talking against EU in the public rallies. I think everything was going fine till controversy of DG ISI started but this decision of IK going to Russia was final nail in the coffin for the establishment.
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The nonsense has begun, if it had not already.
It's quite possible to introduce deflation for a year then screw the country for the rest of the century with extortionate interest rates for the rest of the century. This is how imperialism works these days, no need to get directly involved.
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PTI has the highest number of crooks, thieves and shady individuals.
In fact, Imran the freeloader has been living off shady businessmen for decades.
People say he doesn’t have any money, well why would he need money when everything is free for him and he has been sponsored by money-launderers for decades.
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I haven't dragged anyones family into anything.
But I will not accept things like "you put up good arguments" when all he's done is run away from answering straight forward questions over the last week or so.
If anything he's made himself look worse then what he probably actually he is.
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Deflation would mean contraction of money supply and reduction in inflation to below zero. We might see a dip in inflation but this isn't deflation.
Raising interest rates would be a way to combat inflation but would all but destroy the common man in Pakistan.
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For the first time in Pakistan, a civilian government was removed in a democratic manner.
Thank you Supreme Court for your unanimous judgment - you upheld the constitution.
Thank you establishment for respecting the constitution for a change.
People who believe in democracy expect you to continue on the path laid down for you in the constitution by the father of the nation, Mr. Jinnah.
The fact that April 10 is also the Constitution Day of Pakistan is poetic justice.
Thank you Supreme Court for your unanimous judgment - you upheld the constitution.
Thank you establishment for respecting the constitution for a change.
People who believe in democracy expect you to continue on the path laid down for you in the constitution by the father of the nation, Mr. Jinnah.
The fact that April 10 is also the Constitution Day of Pakistan is poetic justice.
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Real motivation the speech of Ali Muhammad Khan important meeting just finished start public campaign after Eid now will be the real rise of Imran Khan just wait n see
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I'm sure the founding father didn't expect the judiciary to be corrupt (impartial) of for horse trading and bribery to be rife.
A sad day for democracy.
A sad day for democracy.
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I'm glad you're giving kudos to the SC. This is the same SC that declared Imran Khan Sadiq and Ameen. The current CJP was part of that bench too. So please stay consistent in your stance on the SC, rather than wrongfully accusing Imran Khan for corruption
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The only one who is fake is you and your sidekick.
1. You voted for IK then the very next day rally against him.
2. You criticise overseas Pakistanis yet are desperate to move to the UK.
3. You blame personal engagements for your absence yet conveniently and concidently appear the day IK is ousted.
I'm sure you are now happy supporting corrupt crooks cos it takes one to know one.
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Yes it was an incompetent govt. Running a country requires more than cheap slogans. Good riddance
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So if the judiciary gives a pro-Imran verdict they are honest but if they give an anti-Imran verdict, they are corrupt.
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Inshallah you will contribute more here in future to explain how.
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IK hasn't delivered on his pledges (so far) but the only thing the next crook whether it be a member of the Bhutto or Sharif tribe is going to deliver is stolen state money into their offshore bank accounts.
And how can Shehbaz Sharif be made Prime Minister if his party hadn't even won the last general election? This isn't democracy, this is a circus, an absolute farce. Feel sorry for the Pakistani people that the chors are coming back to do their lhut maar.
And how can Shehbaz Sharif be made Prime Minister if his party hadn't even won the last general election? This isn't democracy, this is a circus, an absolute farce. Feel sorry for the Pakistani people that the chors are coming back to do their lhut maar.
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IK faced all his trials of corruption charges and won. Moreover there hasn't been any charges of corruption in PTIs 3.5 years of government. He's the cleanest politician in Pakistan with not an iota of black money. Compare this to your leader Nawaz Shariff, who's a convicted criminal for charges of corruption. You should be feeling ashamed on who you chose to follow.
As far as IK's sponsors, where's the wrong in relying on party donors? It happens everywhere in the World including US presidential elections. IK’s using money of actual donors for party expenses is as honest as it gets. Or would you prefer he robs the nation for his personal expenses like Zardari and Nawaz?
You can call him a freeloader but the truth is people trust him with their money.
Usman Buzdar, Sugar Mafia, CPEC stalling, Wheat export mismanagement, constant reshuffling of cabinets, Polio cases scandal to name a few.
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Ask your friends posting from India how much confidence they have in Pakistan judiciary. You have backed them relentlessly previously so should be a good benchmark.
When you take funds from Tareens and Aleem Khans then you become corrupt by default.
When your wife’s bestie engages in shady practices, and you don’t hold her to account then don’t lecture the nation about principles and accountability.
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Even then they were lenient should have had hanged those crooks
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Those are allegations, if you really believed in them then you would have raised a thread or contributed to one previously which directly addressed those points. Did you? Let's take it up there.
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Again taking funds from party donors is an acceptable practice all over the world. It's better than looting tax payers money.
Also Farah has stronger ties to PML N rather than PTI - her father in law is Ch. Iqbal, a member of punjab provincial assembly. She holds no public office so it's not logical in any sense to blame the ex government. PTI has a very clear stance on this, if they have proof of her corruption, go to court. Afterall the court is the Shariff's personal courtesan and opens up on their whim.
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There is nothing wrong in relying on donors, but there is everything wrong when you are relying on shady businessmen and certified crooks for funding.
Imran is a beneficiary of corruption. His election campaign was financed by the black money of mafias who viewed him as an investment.
Money-launderers do not trust him with their money; they view him as an investment and they also know that as long as they are taking care of his expenses, he will protect their corruption.
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Imran is guilty of misusing SKMH funds. If he wasn’t, he wouldn’t be running away from FF case for about 8 years now.
It is time to hold a trial and put him behind the bars.
Imran is guilty of misusing SKMH funds. If he wasn’t, he wouldn’t be running away from FF case for about 8 years now.
It is time to hold a trial and put him behind the bars.
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The new government must aggressive press charges against the fake messiah.
In addition to misusing donation funds, he is guilty of treason and content of court. There is sufficient material against him to put him behind bars or at least banish him from the country.
He should be further disgraced so that he and his supporters learn a harsh lesson - never mess around with democracy.
In addition to misusing donation funds, he is guilty of treason and content of court. There is sufficient material against him to put him behind bars or at least banish him from the country.
He should be further disgraced so that he and his supporters learn a harsh lesson - never mess around with democracy.
I can say for sure that Shabaz Sharif did a better job in Punjab than Wasim Akram plus
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Thanks guys, your words mean alot.
I guess the internet gives many the anonymous factor to say whatever they want
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Shehbaz is an excellent politician. A proper administrator. Imran not capable of polishing his boots.
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Yup, the new govt
should start article 6 proceedibgs against him I say wait till justice isa becomes cjp, and than start proceedings and get him to declare imran a traitor.
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Clutching at straws much? If he's 'guilty' then why is there a still a case. You're jumping the gun in your verdict. Plus this story was investigated by the Jang media group. The owner, Shakeel ur rahman is a well known PML N crony and on the Shariff's payroll
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I find some posters comments in this thread really gullible.
On one hand they "allege" that IK is involved in XYZ corruption/scandal. Whilst on other hand Shahbaz has judgement reserved for "conviction" in scandals/corruptions.
We are at that point again where allegations takes precedence over convictions. Sad state of affairs.
On one hand they "allege" that IK is involved in XYZ corruption/scandal. Whilst on other hand Shahbaz has judgement reserved for "conviction" in scandals/corruptions.
We are at that point again where allegations takes precedence over convictions. Sad state of affairs.
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I'm assuming the certified crooks you're referring to are Jehangir Khan Tareen and Aleem Khan. Well IK hasn't protected either hence why both are on the other side because they know he will not side with their corruption. Their investment failed!
That's why they've defected to a party that will not only help them survive but thrive in corruption
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The only people clutching at straws are his supporters who are comforting themselves by thinking that he is going to sweep the elections next year.
The FF case is still pending because Imran doesn’t show up to courts. He hasn’t attended a single hearing in 8 years.
And FF allegations were put forward by Akbar Babar, one of the founding members of PTI, the man who supported Imran’s political career when no one else did.
If Imran was honest and clean he wouldn’t be running away. He would have cleared the allegations and this matter would have been closed.
It is not all back and white as his supporters like to claim. He has plenty of skeletons in his closet because he is a beneficiary of corruption.
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Imran will not side with their corruption but he will benefit from it and use it to fund his election campaign. What an honest man
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Man you just love posting allegations.
1. Your new government should be focused on improving the country's situation rather than pursuing petty revenge tactics. That's the mandate they came with, they should honor it
2.He's not guilty of treason. He's not even a respondent to Suo Moto case. The cases will be against the President and speaker, if any
3. He wasn't even in Parliament while the NCM session was being held, so what contempt of court
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Imran will not side with their corruption but he will benefit from it and use it to fund his election campaign. What an honest man
Yea. Already been declared sadiq and ameen by the SC that you've been praising. Stay consistent in your stance
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