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Imran Khan vs Narendra Modi: Who won the war of perception?

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The article is written by an Indian analyst btw.

With the imminent release of the Indian pilot captured by Pakistan, tensions between the two nuclear-armed countries over the attack in Kashmir are expected to abate. So who won the battle of perception during the crisis?

On Thursday afternoon Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan announced in parliament that Pakistan would release the captured Indian pilot as a "peace gesture".

In Delhi, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, was addressing a meeting of scientists. Moments after Mr Khan's remarks, he responded with a sarcastic broadside against Pakistan, saying that a "pilot project had been completed" and "now we have to make it real". While his supporters cheered, others found the remark cocky and tasteless.

India and Pakistan in 'uncharted waters'
On Tuesday, hours after Indian fighter jets entered Pakistani territory and bombed an alleged terrorist training camp, Mr Modi had opened a packed campaign rally - crucial general elections are barely a month away - with bravado-laced flourish. "I want to assure you that the country is in safe hands," he told the meeting to deafening applause.

Less than 24 hours later, Pakistan struck back, shooting down an Indian fighter jet in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and capturing pilot

Pakistan said Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman was treated well
While both sides were under immense pressure to calm tensions, Mr Khan reached out and offered to release the pilot. Former Indian diplomat and strategic affairs expert KC Singh remarked that hawks in Mr Modi's BJP and the Indian establishment "will be stranded by Imran Khan's diplomatic reverse swing". (A reverse swing in cricket is the art of swinging the ball when it turns in towards the batsman rather than moving away from him. Mr Khan was one of the world's finest cricketers in his sporting days.)

Security crisis
Since he swept to power in 2014, Mr Modi has retained a vice-like grip over the narrative. Helping him is a largely obsequious local media, which faithfully boosts his image of a muscular nationalist. So, many wondered why Mr Modi had chosen his bureaucrats and military to do the talking to the media and not addressed the people himself at a time when the country was on a knife-edge and awash with rumours of an imminent war with a nuclear-armed neighbour.

Among those miffed were India's main opposition parties. Twenty-one of them criticised Mr Modi for continuing to attend election meetings and political events and even launch a mobile app during, what was arguably, the biggest security crisis during his tenure.

Many believe that Pakistan had blindsided Mr Modi with a quick and brazen retaliatory attack in which it brought down an Indian fighter jet and captured the pilot. Over the next two days Mr Khan called for de-escalation of hostilities, talked about peace and announced that the pilot would be freed. KC Singh says the Pakistani prime minister portrayed a picture of "dignified moderation and readiness to settle differences through talks" and took everyone by surprise with his decision to send back the Indian pilot.


Mr Khan spoke to his people and defence officials kept the media updated regularly. The prime minister, many analysts in India say, came across looking as a "reasonable leader" by not trying to corner India, and allowing an exit route for cessation of hostilities.

Mr Modi appeared to lose control of the narrative. "Any which way you spin it, Pakistan's attack took India by surprise," says Srinath Raghavan, historian and author, most recently of Fierce Enigmas: A History of the United States in South Asia.


Consider this. India struck Pakistan in the middle of the night in what was a retaliatory action for the attack in Pulwama on 14 February in which more than 40 Indian troops were killed. Pakistan's response was swift and audacious, striking India in broad daylight the next day.

'Revenge is not a strategy'
The capture of the pilot meant that the narrative and expectations of Mr Modi and his government were thrown off kilter and the upbeat narrative of the morning before had now completely changed to bringing the pilot home. The Indian military briefing came more than 30 hours after the Pakistani attack. Mr Modi and his government had clearly little headroom to control the narrative.

In the end, trying to control the narrative through bravado can easily backfire. Mr Modi is not the first prime minister to face a security situation provoked by Pakistan-based terror groups: his predecessors Atal Behari Vajpayee and Manmohan Singh faced similar provocations from across the border and had similar capabilities to strike back, but took calculated decisions to lower the temperature. "Revenge cannot be a strategic objective. Any strategy driven by emotions is likely to fail," says Mr Raghavan.

Large parts of the press at home have spun the freeing of the Indian pilot as Mr Modi's victory. Very few people are asking questions about the massive intelligence failure that led to the attack in Pulwama, and how Pakistan could penetrate air defences in broad daylight.

India's military has not even achieved its strategic aim to establish a new normal in which it would deter Pakistan-backed terrorism in India with the threat of automatic military strikes, says Ajai Shukla, a leading defence analyst.

"So far, Pakistan has demonstrated it can match India, and this requires the Indian military to escalate the punishment to a level that Pakistan cannot match. However, decades of neglect and under-funding have hollowed out India's military to the point where Mr Modi cannot rely on its capability to punish Pakistan swiftly and relatively bloodlessly," he says.

Also details of the extent of damage inflicted on the alleged terrorist camp in Pakistan by the Indian jets is still unclear. Indian authorities are not clear how many people died in the raid, although sections of the media have freely reported some 300 militants had been killed. By all accounts, Mr Modi should be staring at hard questions and fearing that he's lost the narrative.

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Indians celebrated on hearing news of the strikes
But it may not be so. Many believe Mr Khan may have won the battle of perception with his domestic constituency and some Indians at home, but Mr Modi will continue to control the narrative with his base in India.

"It's a larger constituency than the people who do not believe Mr Modi. With a near-complete control over the media narrative, I do not really see him losing the battle of perception. His supporters will believe that while Mr Modi went about his business as usual, Mr Khan was forced to speak up and release the pilot under pressure," says Santosh Desai, columnist and author, most recently, of Mother Pious Lady - Making Sense of Everyday India.

Whoever has won the battle of perceptions, there in one silver lining in this sorry saga. According to Vipin Narang, professor of political science at MIT, neither side seems to want a war. He believes that they "have had their Cuban Missile Crisis moment and recognise how a couple of wrong turns could set off uncontrollable escalation".

So both sides could get back to business. "Pakistan could finally crack down on terrorism and avoid getting the music started. India could continue strategic restrain," he says.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47414490
 
It is sad that we are going for optics.. the fact that India has not been able to take out Masood Azhar or his fellow terrorists yet, means the war is still ON.

Imran Khan appears to be a genuine and balanced PM who seems to talk a lot of sense regarding deescalation and peace, but he failed to address a few key points.

1. What action is he taking to address India's concerns regarding terrorists India wants ?
2. Why did he not condemn Pulwama attack even a single time in 3 speeches ?
 
The article is written by someone of Indian origin and only uses Indian experts. Notice he didn't interview any Pakistani ones.

Yet the article clearly praises Imran Khan and questions Modi's leadership. This likely doesn't affect opinions inside India as people are fed a nationalistic message 24/7 but it goes to show IK has emerged stronger on the international scene.
 
Good analysis. Will be interesting to see what Modi does internally from now until the elections to get some of his lost sheen back. Agree with Vipin Narang at the end too. Pakistan found a man that can finally clean up terrorism. Good times ahead.
 
Good analysis. Will be interesting to see what Modi does internally from now until the elections to get some of his lost sheen back. Agree with Vipin Narang at the end too. Pakistan found a man that can finally clean up terrorism. Good times ahead.

If only that Oxford graduate man could have found some humanity in himself to condemn this Pulwama attack and expressed condolences to Indian people. This man was given red carpet welcome in India whenever he came.. and now he doesn't express a sympathy for our 40 CRPF jawans who were killed in a terrorist attack .. Shame.
 
Lol, Imran Khan has far more charisma and ability to create an impression compared to Modi. It also helps to be good looking lol.

Modi is a very dull and inspiring leader and looks very boring to the eyes.
 
Its not even a question.

There are other issues that this whole thing brought about perception wise for both countries...but talking purely about PMs....Imran won without a doubt.

Imran's message was constantly and consistently one which offered the hand of peace. He was careful to mention that he can understand hurt of Pulwama, but offered to help, and offered to talk.

He also was able to come out with the Abhinandan gesture (really a gift given by the IAF....there was no need for the IAF to pursue, just as the PAF did not pursue the Indian planes. They gambled when they didn't need to, and it backfired big time).

This really gave him the last word on the whole situation, whereas India still has not heard from Modi. Instead, he left his armed forces to take a poor press conference, where they had to present flimsy evidence. Modi has not been seen to comment at all.

Throughout the whole episode, Modi was behind in keeping his people informed. India's voice was always heard after Pakistan's. This way, they had to react, rather than be able to shape the narrative.

Secondly, he (or maybe his government, but they are the same thing for all intent and purposes), was guilty of exaggerating news. Official announcements initially gave no casualty reports - but his government leaked figures of 200-400 people killed. In the end, when this was disproved by Pakistan, as well as the foreign press, it made Modi look foolish.

He also suffered because of the image he had built for himself. Modi boxed himself into a position where he could not be seen to back down to Pakistan at all. This gave him a huge problem after Pakistan was able to retaliate - Modi was unable to be in a position to end things...he would lose face. Imran was then able to show himself as the more mature leader, calling for the violence to stop, and for sanity to prevail.

To be honest, I think Modi has probably lost face to most Indians, and probably even to some of his supporters. Modi's big claims look hollow. He got hit back, and had to take it. He was unable to bully Pakistan like he promised. I think he will definitely lose the middle class vote (which IMO he had lost anyway before this whole thing blew up). His whole campaign will rest upon whether the illiterate and uneducated, of which there are hundreds of millions, buy the Modi propaganda.
 
If only that Oxford graduate man could have found some humanity in himself to condemn this Pulwama attack and expressed condolences to Indian people. This man was given red carpet welcome in India whenever he came.. and now he doesn't express a sympathy for our 40 CRPF jawans who were killed in a terrorist attack .. Shame.

He did that, time and again since Feb-14. Don't know if you have even listening to his single address to the nation since then. I wonder if Modi could do the same to the Kashmiris his army is killing in Occupied J&K.
 
He did that, time and again since Feb-14. Don't know if you have even listening to his single address to the nation since then. I wonder if Modi could do the same to the Kashmiris his army is killing in Occupied J&K.

I listened to his 3 speeches concerning India after 14th Feb.. could not find a strong condemnation of Pulwama terrorist attack. Could not see a mention of his condolences on our 40 CRPF jawans lives being lost
 
Lol, Imran Khan has far more charisma and ability to create an impression compared to Modi. It also helps to be good looking lol.

Modi is a very dull and inspiring leader and looks very boring to the eyes.

Imran has charisma. But Modi is anything but dull. Thats just ignorance.
 
I listened to his 3 speeches concerning India after 14th Feb.. could not find a strong condemnation of Pulwama terrorist attack. Could not see a mention of his condolences on our 40 CRPF jawans lives being lost

I don't know if you understand urdu properly. He has not only condemned it, but he also sent his condolences to the families, not one, not twice, but 3 times, if you take all his addresses. It is on youtube for you to see, and other posters can also confirm.
 
I don't know if you understand urdu properly. He has not only condemned it, but he also sent his condolences to the families, not one, not twice, but 3 times, if you take all his addresses. It is on youtube for you to see, and other posters can also confirm.

Please send me the link.. I understand Urdu quite well.
 
The answer is in the headline of New York Times...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan released the Indian pilot it had captured, capping a humiliating episode for India and a surreal week for him. <a href="https://t.co/pSlmtFIYIw">https://t.co/pSlmtFIYIw</a></p>— The New York Times (@nytimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1101527544103399425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The new government in India, post May, will have to deal with a shrewd Imran Khan, who has shown the same versatility in office that he showed on the cricket field: <a href="https://twitter.com/ambkcsingh?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ambkcsingh</a> <a href="https://t.co/wPmX4hvA8m">https://t.co/wPmX4hvA8m</a></p>— rama lakshmi (@RamaNewDelhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/RamaNewDelhi/status/1101358866485264384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The way in which Modi has been outclassed is epic. On the one hand you have a Pakistani air force completely and utterly out manoeuvring their Indian counterparts and even capturing an Indian soldier. On the other hand you have Imran Khan playing some of the most shrewd political moves you are likely to see. The combination of Pakistani military and politics has left India thoroughly embarrassed on the world stage.

I think Modi will think twice, thrice and then once more before daring to cross that Line of Control in the future. Well done Imran! Well done Pakistan!
 
The past 2 weeks have hemorrhaged the perception of India worldwide.

Starting with the false flag attack on the Valentine’s day, India believed it could flex its muscles by influencing the ICC to ban Pakistan from the World Cup. The request itself died an ignominious and laughable death. Then there was a motion for India to boycott the World Cup game vs. Pakistan, this flexing didn’t last long either after it was pointed out that India could face Pakistan in the SF/Final.

So, what did India do? Denied the Visa of 2 Pakistani athletes who were trying to qualify for the 2020 Olympics for the Rifle competition in New Delhi. Result? IOC issued a statement that they would isolate India and halt all discussions of holding future events in India unless India complied with the IOC code of ethics and granted the 2 Pakistan athletes a Visa.

In frustration, the IAF bombed a dozen or so trees in Pakistan, mistaking the trees for 300 terrorists. (Should’ve gone to Specsavers?). And finally, the IAF not only lose a fighter jet, but Pakistan capture the pilot, treat him with dignity and respect, and send him home with a taste of Pakistan hospitality, and supreme chai!

International, Social, and pockets of Indians praise Imran Khan (and Pakistan) and nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize, while Modi is ridiculed by his opposition and has become a laughing stock.

You see, it’s not about how superior a fighter jet is, whether it is a F16, Mig, or a Thunder! It’s all about the pilot.

Moral of the story? Power is nothing without control.
 
It is disgraceful and cowardly of Modi to not have addressed his nation personally as of yet. He is clearly weakened by this saga.
 
It is disgraceful and cowardly of Modi to not have addressed his nation personally as of yet. He is clearly weakened by this saga.
He has also lost weight. Seems to have aged drastically in the last few months. Seems like and I hope so he is on his last legs.
 
If only that Oxford graduate man could have found some humanity in himself to condemn this Pulwama attack and expressed condolences to Indian people. This man was given red carpet welcome in India whenever he came.. and now he doesn't express a sympathy for our 40 CRPF jawans who were killed in a terrorist attack .. Shame.

Most of the Pakistanis do not think Pulwana attack as a terrorist act, it was rather a revenge action by a local Kashmiri boy , obviously aided by other Kashmiris who have been witnessing the Indian army's atrocities and death of thousands of innocent Kashmiris at the hand of Indian army. Killing soft target like civilians is a terrorist act, losing 40 armymen is what you expect in a war but not a terrorist act.
 
Modi can only dream of living the life IK has lived. Lived life to the fullest in his youth as a legendary sportsman, international playboy, philanthropist, now PM of his country and winning international accolades.

All Modi is renowned for is the Gujraat Massacres and showing the world who he really is after the Pulwamma attacks.
 
Most of the Pakistanis do not think Pulwana attack as a terrorist act, it was rather a revenge action by a local Kashmiri boy , obviously aided by other Kashmiris who have been witnessing the Indian army's atrocities and death of thousands of innocent Kashmiris at the hand of Indian army. Killing soft target like civilians is a terrorist act, losing 40 armymen is what you expect in a war but not a terrorist act.

Was Peshawar school attack a terrorist attack or a revenge one ? AFAIK, many called it revenge too.
 
Its not even a question.

There are other issues that this whole thing brought about perception wise for both countries...but talking purely about PMs....Imran won without a doubt.

Imran's message was constantly and consistently one which offered the hand of peace. He was careful to mention that he can understand hurt of Pulwama, but offered to help, and offered to talk.

He also was able to come out with the Abhinandan gesture (really a gift given by the IAF....there was no need for the IAF to pursue, just as the PAF did not pursue the Indian planes. They gambled when they didn't need to, and it backfired big time).

This really gave him the last word on the whole situation, whereas India still has not heard from Modi. Instead, he left his armed forces to take a poor press conference, where they had to present flimsy evidence. Modi has not been seen to comment at all.

Throughout the whole episode, Modi was behind in keeping his people informed. India's voice was always heard after Pakistan's. This way, they had to react, rather than be able to shape the narrative.

Secondly, he (or maybe his government, but they are the same thing for all intent and purposes), was guilty of exaggerating news. Official announcements initially gave no casualty reports - but his government leaked figures of 200-400 people killed. In the end, when this was disproved by Pakistan, as well as the foreign press, it made Modi look foolish.

He also suffered because of the image he had built for himself. Modi boxed himself into a position where he could not be seen to back down to Pakistan at all. This gave him a huge problem after Pakistan was able to retaliate - Modi was unable to be in a position to end things...he would lose face. Imran was then able to show himself as the more mature leader, calling for the violence to stop, and for sanity to prevail.

To be honest, I think Modi has probably lost face to most Indians, and probably even to some of his supporters. Modi's big claims look hollow. He got hit back, and had to take it. He was unable to bully Pakistan like he promised. I think he will definitely lose the middle class vote (which IMO he had lost anyway before this whole thing blew up). His whole campaign will rest upon whether the illiterate and uneducated, of which there are hundreds of millions, buy the Modi propaganda.

Perfectly sums it up.

Imran Khan won the PR hands down. Not only Imran but the entire Pakistan's PR game was strong right from Day 1.

And our media is one of the worst things ever. I hate to use this often misused word but I would say they are the true "anti-nationals". Single handedly embarassing India in front of the world. :facepalm:

Modi's image is severely dented for now. Not sure how this will affect voting pattern though...as in who will vote and who won't.
 
Perfectly sums it up.

Imran Khan won the PR hands down. Not only Imran but the entire Pakistan's PR game was strong right from Day 1.

And our media is one of the worst things ever. I hate to use this often misused word but I would say they are the true "anti-nationals". Single handedly embarassing India in front of the world. :facepalm:

Modi's image is severely dented for now. Not sure how this will affect voting pattern though...as in who will vote and who won't.

You should look at statements from other countries. US, France, Australia, etc have all sided with India and asked Pakistan to focus on counterterrorism. They have also defended India's right to conduct such counterterrorism operations across the LoC.

Don't go by what you read from random people on here, reddit, twitter, etc. What matters is what officials from other countries have said.
 
You should look at statements from other countries. US, France, Australia, etc have all sided with India and asked Pakistan to focus on counterterrorism. They have also defended India's right to conduct such counterterrorism operations across the LoC.

Don't go by what you read from random people on here, reddit, twitter, etc. What matters is what officials from other countries have said.

US, France, Australia are ALL on India's side for the war on terrorism (JEm, India's claims and what not).

But this whole aggression saga, if you think India came out trumps against Pakistan in the PR game, that's just not true. Pakistan has won this round hands down UNLESS information arises where we irrefutably prove that we have downed their F16.

Now when the topic shifts JEM, taking action of terrorists, support will shift back to India.

We need to take a more nuanced approach. We can't put every issue in a cauldron and judge as one entity.

International geopolitics doesn't work that way.
 
US, France, Australia are ALL on India's side for the war on terrorism (JEm, India's claims and what not).

But this whole aggression saga, if you think India came out trumps against Pakistan in the PR game, that's just not true. Pakistan has won this round hands down UNLESS information arises where we irrefutably prove that we have downed their F16.

Now when the topic shifts JEM, taking action of terrorists, support will shift back to India.

We need to take a more nuanced approach. We can't put every issue in a cauldron and judge as one entity.

International geopolitics doesn't work that way.

How does India proving they downed F 16 help them in any way other then chest thumping Pakistan did not win this round because they downed an air craft they won because we kept our stance of peace and negotiations from the start captured a pilot and released him while maintaining the same stance showing India downed even a dozen war planes will not help them in this PR war.
 
How does India proving they downed F 16 help them in any way other then chest thumping Pakistan did not win this round because they downed an air craft they won because we kept our stance of peace and negotiations from the start captured a pilot and released him while maintaining the same stance showing India downed even a dozen war planes will not help them in this PR war.

Because downing a F16 with a broken token Mig 21 is an EARTH SHATTERING move.

Will show the valour of Indian pilot chasing PAF jets into tehir territory and downing one of them. F16 is probably the best jet in Pak arsenal while almost every fighter jet is better than Mig 21 in the Indian arsenal.

It won't change the PR overnight....but over time, this will have a huge impact on how the world looks at these incidents.

And as for Imran releasing the pilot, as a decent human being, I am thankful for it. I will not insult Imran by using terms like "caved in" and such.

With that being said, let's not get political correctness get in the way of reality.

1. Geneva Comvention clearly states that pilots have to be returned anyway.

2. Before the release, Imran Khan officially made a statement that Pakistan could consider returning Abhi if India would de-escalate the tension. It was met with a "nothing doing" response from the Indian side.

3. Before the pilot release, Trump had made statements to media about "reasonably good news" coming from our region and Omar Abdullah tweet.

4. If Abhi was not released, it would have been a great excuse for India to launch an aggressive attack. The fear was palpable.

At the end of the day, it was a strategic move to do it.

A great move nonetheless.

But if you think it came all from the goodness of the heart and NOTHING else, then I am sorry, you are in for a rude shock about the realities of the world.
 
Sif,
The only way India can turn this around from PR POV if then can prove they were able to hit milliatants hideouts in the air strikes killing them in numbers downing F 16 only satisfies the bruised egos and does nothing but prove my d*** is bigger then yours
 
Sif,
The only way India can turn this around from PR POV if then can prove they were able to hit milliatants hideouts in the air strikes killing them in numbers downing F 16 only satisfies the bruised egos and does nothing but prove my d*** is bigger then yours

I respectfully disagree.

Yes, failing to hit a target (if that's what happened - I have no idea) is a failure but entering Pak Airspace makes up for it. Indian officials didn't make any number claims. They however named Masood's brother in law who if he springs up, it will embarass India in the world stage.

Downing F16 will create a flutter due to the worldwide coverage of Abhi capture and release. It will shift from "Pakistan caught him" to "he chased Pak jets and downed an American jet through sheer audacity".

That's how the news will turn.
 
I listened to his 3 speeches concerning India after 14th Feb.. could not find a strong condemnation of Pulwama terrorist attack. Could not see a mention of his condolences on our 40 CRPF jawans lives being lost

Why does india seek Pakistan's condemnation? lmao, Pakistan has never asked India to condemn attacks on Pakistani troops in Baluchistan by Indian-trained/funded militants.
 
Imran Khan comes across as mature and sensible and trying his best to avoid a full war.

Modi is being hawkish as usual and he has won the domestic perception-battle, all this has greatly helped BJP's prospects by the looks of it if social media is a proxy for situation on the ground.

Every country (?) of note is being neutral here and asking both parties to deescalate, nooone is overtly condemning India or Pakistan.

1-1 again
 
Perfectly sums it up.

Imran Khan won the PR hands down. Not only Imran but the entire Pakistan's PR game was strong right from Day 1.

And our media is one of the worst things ever. I hate to use this often misused word but I would say they are the true "anti-nationals". Single handedly embarassing India in front of the world. :facepalm:

Modi's image is severely dented for now. Not sure how this will affect voting pattern though...as in who will vote and who won't.

To be the PM you have to win Hindi speaking States, Modis popularity has grown tremendously in Hindi belt. The voters who were feeling let down by Modi due to false promises are again back supporting him

By the time election happens this would be made into how strong a leader Modi is and how he won..

Modi has already won 2019 elections, nothing can stop him now unless a major blunder happens.. his PR and media support is just way too much..

I think you are from South India so you dont see it, but up here people are believing Modi has won it. 65-70% chance of Modi winning from 40% before the attacks happened.
 
If only that Oxford graduate man could have found some humanity in himself to condemn this Pulwama attack and expressed condolences to Indian people. This man was given red carpet welcome in India whenever he came.. and now he doesn't express a sympathy for our 40 CRPF jawans who were killed in a terrorist attack .. Shame.

He did that already dude. What are you talking about? Then later you ask for a link? Didn't you just say claim that he hasn't offered condolences, but now you say you don't have any link to any of his speeches? So how do you know he didn't?
 
Well on the one side youve got a war mongering, religious extremist with a history of ordering a mass massacre wanting to plunge his country into war to win a few votes and on the other a intelligent pacifist who more than once has offered peace n always speaks in reconciliatory tone

Who do you think won?
 
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Its internal politics.

More of a BJP vs Congress issue.

Modi as usual subtly campaigning.

Even if India had Rafale, they wouldn't use it so soon.
 
I would say Imran won this round.

India and Pakistan have taken totally opposite stances compared to what they did in the past.
Imran showed Pak civilian government is the authority and he's not an army puppet. He never left the stance of peace. He gained a lot of political points. Is the peace stance going to continue? We will have to wait.

Modi debunked the theory that Pak's nuclear threshold is very low. He set a new precedent for the future PMs. Yes India lost jets but in the bigger scheme of things, this will help India frame an aggressive policy against Pak. He never wavered from the terrorism stance despite the POW release. I don't think he gained much politically

Downing an Indian jet was a military victory for Pakistan.
China not butting in and early release of the POW was a diplomatic victory for India.
 
I would say Imran won this round.

India and Pakistan have taken totally opposite stances compared to what they did in the past.
Imran showed Pak civilian government is the authority and he's not an army puppet. He never left the stance of peace. He gained a lot of political points. Is the peace stance going to continue? We will have to wait.

Modi debunked the theory that Pak's nuclear threshold is very low. He set a new precedent for the future PMs. Yes India lost jets but in the bigger scheme of things, this will help India frame an aggressive policy against Pak. He never wavered from the terrorism stance despite the POW release. I don't think he gained much politically

Downing an Indian jet was a military victory for Pakistan.
China not butting in and early release of the POW was a diplomatic victory for India.

Dil ki tasali ko Ghalib yeh khayal acha hai.
 
How many of you anti Imran guys secretly relieved that we had Imran at the helm during this episode instead of Nawaz "******" Sharif or Asif "Mulk Khapey" Zardari?
 
How many of you anti Imran guys secretly relieved that we had Imran at the helm during this episode instead of Nawaz "******" Sharif or Asif "Mulk Khapey" Zardari?

Man I wonder the same thing like can you imagine nawaz sharif giving statements or just trying to be the ambassador for Pakistan in this difficult time?
Imran khan should have come much sooner imo but better late than never
 
How many of you anti Imran guys secretly relieved that we had Imran at the helm during this episode instead of Nawaz "******" Sharif or Asif "Mulk Khapey" Zardari?

That pathetic 'leader' would have been too busy running to the Americans and condemning our army like he did in Kargil.
 
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Sif,
The only way India can turn this around from PR POV if then can prove they were able to hit milliatants hideouts in the air strikes killing them in numbers downing F 16 only satisfies the bruised egos and does nothing but prove my d*** is bigger then yours

I respectfully disagree.

Yes, failing to hit a target (if that's what happened - I have no idea) is a failure but entering Pak Airspace makes up for it. Indian officials didn't make any number claims. They however named Masood's brother in law who if he springs up, it will embarass India in the world stage.

Downing F16 will create a flutter due to the worldwide coverage of Abhi capture and release. It will shift from "Pakistan caught him" to "he chased Pak jets and downed an American jet through sheer audacity".

That's how the news will turn.

Upon further introspection, maybe you are right.

Balakot proof is the key for PR.
 
Not sure or care about perception but Modi won this segment (as expected). Imran Khan was taken aback by Modi's global diplomatic clout and was forced to release WC Abhinandan within 24 hours. And don't tell me its because of Geneva conventions bla bla. Within the same geneva conventions, Pakistan never released Capt Saurabh Kalia and send his mutulated dead body days later during Kargil war. So its not that Pakistan has changed overnight but they know that a strong government is sitting in Delhi against whom adjustements (in the name of peace) is the best way forward.
 
Not sure or care about perception but Modi won this segment (as expected). Imran Khan was taken aback by Modi's global diplomatic clout and was forced to release WC Abhinandan within 24 hours. And don't tell me its because of Geneva conventions bla bla. Within the same geneva conventions, Pakistan never released Capt Saurabh Kalia and send his mutulated dead body days later during Kargil war. So its not that Pakistan has changed overnight but they know that a strong government is sitting in Delhi against whom adjustements (in the name of peace) is the best way forward.

Feel sorry for people who are born without any brain cells.
 
Brig Samson Simon Sharaf brutally exposing Modi and his Hindutva mindset. There was ZERO target achievement by India however their gullible, jazbati and Pak obsessed awam will continue to believe false propaganda and concocted stories cooked up by their FAKE media.

https://nation.com.pk/02-Mar-2019/modi-s-rukma-vimana
 
Imran Khan has won this whole thing so far. Modi should learn from him, and learn to be a better person
 
Not sure or care about perception but Modi won this segment (as expected). Imran Khan was taken aback by Modi's global diplomatic clout and was forced to release WC Abhinandan within 24 hours. And don't tell me its because of Geneva conventions bla bla. Within the same geneva conventions, Pakistan never released Capt Saurabh Kalia and send his mutulated dead body days later during Kargil war. So its not that Pakistan has changed overnight but they know that a strong government is sitting in Delhi against whom adjustements (in the name of peace) is the best way forward.

Precisely why IK won.

Read your own post
 
Whole world is supporting India except for China probably. Even the Islamic countries are neutral on this from what I read.

However, in India, Modi's image has taken a hit. The arrest of IAF pilot has taken the gas out of Modi and Indian aggression. Had the pilot not been caught, the war would still be going on. India's poor Air Force has been exposed. We thought we could do what Israel or USA does by droning the enemy targets. Failed miserably.

In Pakistan I guess IK's image has propped up even more. Only time will tell how Pak will progress under Imran.
 
Whole world loves Modi Ji. Some people are just jealous of his popularity and personality. Imran Khan can borrow some style and swag from him.

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Whole world is supporting India except for China probably. Even the Islamic countries are neutral on this from what I read.

However, in India, Modi's image has taken a hit. The arrest of IAF pilot has taken the gas out of Modi and Indian aggression. Had the pilot not been caught, the war would still be going on. India's poor Air Force has been exposed. We thought we could do what Israel or USA does by droning the enemy targets. Failed miserably.

In Pakistan I guess IK's image has propped up even more. Only time will tell how Pak will progress under Imran.

OIC just condemned India in an unheard rebuke. What are you on about :)) And noone else is supporting India. Compare this to Kargil, when the entire world was on our a$$. Everyone is simply quiet now and watching the show.
 
IK won it hands down no doubt about it. India could not prove the killing of 350 terrorists at all. Pak then takes down their jet or jets as well as the pilot the next day showing it to the world. We first equalised on their aggression then return their soldier gaining world applause. No article I have read says Modi or his India have won anything here. Then we pullout of the OIC meeting to show the Arabs they are not much without us. This makes them humiliate India and Sushma in front of the world with their Kashmir stance.
 
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