Imran Khan's purported leaked indecent audio conversation with Ayla Khan

[MenInG]

The tapes are the proof. The onus is on PTI & the supporters to provide counter-proof.

Saying that such technology exists is not proof that this particular audio tape is fake.

If burden of proof is on the accuser, then the accuser has already provided its proof in the form of tapes. Where is the proof of those who are calling it fake?

No its not.

This is how tabloids in UK make money

You throw something out something outlandish and then wait for others who have the time/financial resources to refute it. If they dont, you make money, if they comeback and take you to court, you apologize but by that time you have made your money.

Like I said, NO respectable person is making a big deal of it. Only those with something against Imran for their own selfish reasons are.

 

[MSaad1237]

I know very well how much Islam is being practiced in Pakistan , corruption of billions of $$ is not Islamic. At least he is not hurting anyone ( except ---- ) .

What about Imran Khan claiming to make 'Madina ki Rayasat' tho?

 

[Bewal Express]

This is not proof that that this particular audio tape of Imran is fake. Please provide the proof since you are adamant that it is fake.

Yes it is. These tapes are from the same production line. Once a witness lies, he has no credibility. Fake absolutely fake produced by dirty Nani and the mafia.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is not proof that that this particular audio tape of Imran is fake. Please provide the proof since you are adamant that it is fake.

Why did you believe the CJP tape was real? So far all you have done is run because are scared. Do you want to apologise to the Ex CJP for BELIEVING the fake tapes, criminally produced by people that have brought nothing but humiliation for you. and destroyed the country

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The tapes seem very real.

Imran is a serious womaniser with a documented history of poor ( by our cultural standards) behaviour with women.

You can see this with is his recent marriages too.

No man is a messiah and the delusions of the PTI fanatics that constantly try to hide behind the false messiah status that they themselves have created is no different to those of other parties.

Leaders must always be held to high standards and their supporters must criticise them and admonish them when wrong doing is done.

 

[Bewal Express]

The tapes seem very real.

Imran is a serious womaniser with a documented history of poor ( by our cultural standards) behaviour with women.

You can see this with is his recent marriages too.

No man is a messiah and the delusions of the PTI fanatics that constantly try to hide behind the false messiah status that they themselves have created is no different to those of other parties.

Leaders must always be held to high standards and their supporters must criticise them and admonish them when wrong doing is done.

Did the CJP tapes also look real? They came from the same factory.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Like I said, you can use two different conversations and put them together or dub a few words here and there, that's the most you can do when it comes to faking Urdu or any other language conversations apart from English ones..


In Case of Imran Khan's audioleaks, the voice is of Imran Khan itself (it is not morphed by using any Voice changer), lets assume that the audio is complied using multiple conversations of Imran Khan, still Imran Khan said all those sexual words and so did Miss Ayla Malik.


I am 100% certain tho, that the audio conversation is real for the most part..

Yeah agree with this.

People should use their brains at times instead of thinking with their hearts.

 

[Reddy]

A forensic test will prove the credibility of the tapes.

Assuming its not a fake. If Imran was single at that point, why the outrage?

Two consenting adults. Unless ofcourse this is a case of sexual favours for political clout.

What next, bring back the various affairs he had in the past?

Btw, who recorded the video and who released it?

We do not know the exact timeline here but both Imran and Ayla are married, Also this impacts the politics of Imran regarding his insistence on modesty, religious pious behaviour, Riyasat E Medina etc.

 

[sweep_shot]

This alleged incident happened over 10 years ago.

Even if this is true, is it right to demonize someone over something that might have happened almost a decade ago?

Whoever leaked this should be imprisoned if this turns out to be false.

 

[Bewal Express]

There is no comparison with this and the audio.

You are clutching at straws.

It is far easier to admit Imran is a human being who may have erred.

Why is there a comparison? Produced by the same people, same tactics.
Do you believe the CJP tape that came from same factory.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why is there a comparison? Produced by the same people, same tactics.
Do you believe the CJP tape that came from same factory.

Why are you convinced it came from the 'same factory'?

 

[Bewal Express]

Why are you convinced it came from the 'same factory'?

What makes you think it isn't? I am not sure which planet you live on but Nani and the mafia of the Generals are all on the same page. And all the people that promoted that are on here, promoting this. This is a fight against a criminal mafia that have killed, abused PKs illegally taken over PK. They want permanent rule of Generals and the **** kissing families.

 

[Cricket-lion]

There is no comparison with this and the audio.

You are clutching at straws.

It is far easier to admit Imran is a human being who may have erred.

So let's say Khan is guilty because you think that he "may" have been involved. Sorry, the world doesn't work like this.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

So let's say Khan is guilty because you think that he "may" have been involved. Sorry, the world doesn't work like this.

Well you are saying he is not guilty based on the fact you think he 'may not' be involved.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What makes you think it isn't? I am not sure which planet you live on but Nani and the mafia of the Generals are all on the same page. And all the people that promoted that are on here, promoting this. This is a fight against a criminal mafia that have killed, abused PKs illegally taken over PK. They want permanent rule of Generals and the **** kissing families.

I don't get emotional when I analyse these things because I know a reasonable amount of the workings of PTI and Imran

Imran's private live is well documented in the public domain. There is a lot of other things where you can easily get 2+2 together and come to a reasonable conclusion about

I suggest you join your local PTI branch in the UK, spend a few years and if you have contacts in Pakistan spend time with the politicians there. It is honestly not too hard if you are interested. We may even bump into each other at some point

You will see the reality of Imran - let me be clear the reality isn't that bad. But he is no saint or messiah.

A messiah compelx can make or break a party. These last few months have really dented Imran image and PTI needs to strengthen itself as an institution so its not overly reliant on one figure head. A figure head that seems to be going down the trump route atm.

Of course they opposite side is going to fling things, do you think it would ever be a cake walk? However the world is not so simple that anything they throw is a lie and everything that is thrown back is the truth.

I am sure you even thought Imran incorporating Pervez Elahi into the Punjab leadership was a visionary move. But he incorporated the most corrupt khandan in punjab ( perhaps second after the sharifs).

All I am saying is no need to bury your head in the sand all the time. He is only human.

 

[Browncaps]

I will try to encapsulate all my thoughts in this one post.

I pray for Imran Khans safety. It seems that the attempt on his life by the chors is completely fair per a good number of Pakistanis view.

Even after the torture and murder of his party members, journalists and others who speak the truth about the mafia families and army’s corruption and the damage it has caused to the economy along with them staying mum about multiple foreign funded attacks in Pakistan, it’s quite obvious that lots of Pakistanis cannot view the multiple incidents of harassment, intimidation and violence against Imran, Jemima and his current wife.

Perhaps some people feel Pmln’s brand of haram khori is permissible, they have a documented past of attacking supreme courts, blackmailing judges ( the most infamous example is the one by Ganjas son in our most important religious city) and of releasing fake audios and videos ( using taxpayers money which is an abuse and misappropriation of funds) because they are proven money launderers, thieves and work on the instructions of foreign powers.

It’s better if Imran leaves Pakistan and let’s these hypocrites loot what’s left of this corrupt country. He deserves better.

I wish Pakistanis who claim to be Muslims had more character and a regard for right and wrong, sadly Sri Lankan’s are more courageous and upright.

Some Pakistanis have a problem with what a woman wears, but not with having criminals and foreign agents in power.

 

[JaDed]

Why is there a comparison? Produced by the same people, same tactics.
Do you believe the CJP tape that came from same factory.

As per the legend Mr. Jinnah had rejected to utilize Mr. Nehru’s intimate letters(allegedly), by then PM or some cabinet minister, I’m sorry to say but literally except for the Pakistan’s founding father this has always been a Pakistani political Establishment thing.
They even were against Mr. Jinnah’s sister as well.

 

[topspin]

I don't get emotional when I analyse these things because I know a reasonable amount of the workings of PTI and Imran

Imran's private live is well documented in the public domain. There is a lot of other things where you can easily get 2+2 together and come to a reasonable conclusion about

I suggest you join your local PTI branch in the UK, spend a few years and if you have contacts in Pakistan spend time with the politicians there. It is honestly not too hard if you are interested. We may even bump into each other at some point

You will see the reality of Imran - let me be clear the reality isn't that bad. But he is no saint or messiah.

A messiah compelx can make or break a party. These last few months have really dented Imran image and PTI needs to strengthen itself as an institution so its not overly reliant on one figure head. A figure head that seems to be going down the trump route atm.

Of course they opposite side is going to fling things, do you think it would ever be a cake walk? However the world is not so simple that anything they throw is a lie and everything that is thrown back is the truth.

I am sure you even thought Imran incorporating Pervez Elahi into the Punjab leadership was a visionary move. But he incorporated the most corrupt khandan in punjab ( perhaps second after the sharifs).

All I am saying is no need to bury your head in the sand all the time. He is only human.

Beautifully put and POTW for me.

PTI fans are an emotional bunch but that's expected when you we all know that PTI has become a cult. IK's fans blindly follow him as if he's infallible.

To add to what you've said about his history, we shouldn't forget he also abandoned his own daughter who came out of wedlock.

I wouldn't be surprised if the voice from the audio clip turned out to be from him.

 

[MenInG]

When a country has been ruled by theives like we were before Imran, then any sane person would like Imran

 

[Cricket-lion]

Well you are saying he is not guilty based on the fact you think he 'may not' be involved.

The developed world works on the: "Not guilty till you are proven". However, you more then likely the residence of a Banana Republic (PDM Pakistan).

 

[Champ_Pal]

The discussion did not even cross 2 pages after more than 2 days of its existence. If it was any other politician from India or Pakistan, this would have been 4 or 5 pages worth by now.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

When a country has been ruled by theives like we were before Imran, then any sane person would like Imran

In the land of the blind...

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't get emotional when I analyse these things because I know a reasonable amount of the workings of PTI and Imran

Imran's private live is well documented in the public domain. There is a lot of other things where you can easily get 2+2 together and come to a reasonable conclusion about

I suggest you join your local PTI branch in the UK, spend a few years and if you have contacts in Pakistan spend time with the politicians there. It is honestly not too hard if you are interested. We may even bump into each other at some point

You will see the reality of Imran - let me be clear the reality isn't that bad. But he is no saint or messiah.

A messiah compelx can make or break a party. These last few months have really dented Imran image and PTI needs to strengthen itself as an institution so its not overly reliant on one figure head. A figure head that seems to be going down the trump route atm.

Of course they opposite side is going to fling things, do you think it would ever be a cake walk? However the world is not so simple that anything they throw is a lie and everything that is thrown back is the truth.

I am sure you even thought Imran incorporating Pervez Elahi into the Punjab leadership was a visionary move. But he incorporated the most corrupt khandan in punjab ( perhaps second after the sharifs).

All I am saying is no need to bury your head in the sand all the time. He is only human.

He isn't a Saint and maybe a sinner but look at the timings of CJP leaks and you see they are planned and fake. None of you guys that jumped on the thread have had the guts to admit that CJP tapes were fake and as these are the same mafia factories that produce them, why would you believe even one word.
For those that don't like him, he was always terrible but look at his enemies and you see, thieves, killer's and thugs and worse still, pathetically supported by idiots that happy to kill him as long as they favourites get in. Remember the time [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] went on about Mullahs, well they are in power, Remember all those anti army rants, well, there is Junta in power but not a word from the loser. Remember all those inflation threads from [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION], well today its 40% and the economy has crashed. Whatever happened to him? Is he still here.
This is the mafia in desperate mode.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah agree with this.

People should use their brains at times instead of thinking with their hearts.

PTI supporters cannot use something they do not have.

 

[Mamoon]

Truly absurd statement yet again from you. It is not clearly settled. I can go and make an audio tape now using tech/AI.

[MENTION=156963]Cricket-lion[/MENTION]

I am still waiting.

You should know that I will not let this go until you produce a fake audio clip of Shehbaz saying “I love Imran Khan the greatest PM ever” in Urdu.

You shall be quoted until the end of our lives unless you produce what I am asking or you admit that you cannot walk the talk & were not expecting to prove yourself.

 

[Bewal Express]

When a country has been ruled by theives like we were before Imran, then any sane person would like Imran

All the thieves together. The same thugs that created all the cases, celebrated when Bhutto was hanged, threatened to drag each other through the streets today sit together with no shame. These beghairat were always in it together

 

[Bewal Express]

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[MENTION=156963]Cricket-lion[/MENTION]

I am still waiting.

You should know that I will not let this go until you produce a fake audio clip of Shehbaz saying “I love Imran Khan the greatest PM ever” in Urdu.

You shall be quoted until the end of our lives unless you produce what I am asking or you admit that you cannot walk the talk & were not expecting to prove yourself.

Why are you answering him and not me. What are you scared of besides your own limitations. Why did you accept the CJP tape as real.

 

[Mamoon]

Why are you answering him and not me. What are you scared of besides your own limitations. Why did you accept the CJP tape as real.

Please provide evidence that this particular audio tape is fake. Putting two & two together or juxtaposing two different audio tapes is not proof.

 

[Bewal Express]

As per the legend Mr. Jinnah had rejected to utilize Mr. Nehru’s intimate letters(allegedly), by then PM or some cabinet minister, I’m sorry to say but literally except for the Pakistan’s founding father this has always been a Pakistani political Establishment thing.
They even were against Mr. Jinnah’s sister as well.

I am was taken in by our army because being the son of an ex soldier, you always want to believe that they will always look to do the best for their country and the foot soldiers still are still patriotic. But as the events have shown, our Generals are only interested in $$$ and are at the apex of the mafia. Kaptaan is a challenger,they don't like. But as Bajwa found, humiliation awaits the Mir Sadiqs and Jaffars.

 

[Bewal Express]

Please provide evidence that this particular audio tape is fake. Putting two & two together or juxtaposing two different audio tapes is not proof.

I just showed to you. Can you provide evidence the CJP tape is real. Same factory, same people and same results.

 

[Mamoon]

I just showed to you. Can you provide evidence the CJP tape is real. Same factory, same people and same results.

Please provide evidence that this particular audio tape is fake. Putting two & two together or juxtaposing two different audio tapes is not proof.

 

[Bewal Express]

Please provide evidence that this particular audio tape is fake. Putting two & two together or juxtaposing two different audio tapes is not proof.

I just told by being a true hypocrite you can't accept that the same factory produced the tapes. And you need to provide the evidence not me. And as your making the allegations, go to the source, get the original tape and then get them checked by an authentic lab. Noorani got his tape checked and said it was real

 

[Mamoon]

We can go in circles if you wish. The evidence is the tape. Do you have any counter-evidence?

Crying, denial, delusions, personal attacks, comparisons with other tapes etc. do not count as counter-evidence.

 

[James]

Personal insults, particularly in a religious context, are completely unacceptable here.

 

[Mamoon]

Only a Munafiqs would say something like that. You lost the argument, you are now desperate. You can't wish away the fake CJP tape and now you don't know to say. Run baby run. You know I own you. You’re the one that ran from the economics thread.

You continue to deflect but I will continue to ask again. Please provide evidence that the concerned tapes are fake. Giving examples of other tape is not evidence.

 

[Bewal Express]

You continue to deflect but I will continue to ask again. Please provide evidence that the concerned tapes are fake. Giving examples of other tape is not evidence.

You can ask as much as you like but unless you can explain the CJP tape that you and your ilk accepted as real , you don't have a leg to stand on. They are from the same factory, the settings are the same.

 

[ElRaja]

immi's a stud, pretty sure he was single back then, and the conversation is exactly like ud expect if you extrapolate 80s imran then this is exactly who he'd be. this audio leak has reinvigorated my support for him, may his political career be as indefatigable as his sex drive.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

immi's a stud, pretty sure he was single back then, and the conversation is exactly like ud expect if you extrapolate 80s imran then this is exactly who he'd be. this audio leak has reinvigorated my support for him, may his political career be as indefatigable as his sex drive.

: ... Certainly displaying exceptional virility. He's no Biden

 

[subshakerz]

I sincerely hope that PTI's popularity only grows after these dirty leaks. The best slap in the face of the regime who have gone to the gutter in desperation.

 

[offstump]

The audio tape is sufficient proof for me. It is Imran’s voice & I have no reason to believe that it is an impersonation or some computer-generated audio. This is my proof.

Since you & other PTI supporters think it is fake, please put forward your evidence to support your claim.

Please note that your denial - whether it is based on your delusions, or your inability to see Imran in a negative light, or your ignorance of Imran’s past antics or your belief that he has changed is not proof.

Therefore, please come up with a concrete, tangible counter-proof to support your claim that this is fake.

I am quoting you, but this post is for every person in this thread who is calling this fake. Where is the proof that this is fake?

I don’t believe that it’s real. It’s produced by individuals who have a history of lying, stealing and being two faced. That is my proof that it’s fake and it’s sufficient for me.

 

[Arsal_AK]

This thread is hard read and . The audio is not proff. That's not how proofs work.

And no, Imran is not a saint as well nor any sort of a moral.

 

[Mamoon]

I don’t believe that it’s real. It’s produced by individuals who have a history of lying, stealing and being two faced. That is my proof that it’s fake and it’s sufficient for me.

Your belief is not sufficient proof, & it is infinitely weaker than an actual tape. You are enslaved by your devotion to Imran Khan.

If he tells you the earth is flat you will believe him because that is how much he has brainwashed his supporters & that is how much he controls their thinking.

However, those who are not enslaved by him cannot take your beliefs as proof.

 

[Mamoon]

You can ask as much as you like but unless you can explain the CJP tape that you and your ilk accepted as real , you don't have a leg to stand on. They are from the same factory, the settings are the same.

Please provide evidence that the concerned tapes are fake. Giving examples of other tape is not evidence.

 

[Mamoon]

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[MENTION=156963]Cricket-lion[/MENTION]

I am still waiting.

You should know that I will not let this go until you produce a fake audio clip of Shehbaz saying “I love Imran Khan the greatest PM ever” in Urdu.

You shall be quoted until the end of our lives unless you produce what I am asking or you admit that you cannot walk the talk & were not expecting to prove yourself.

[MENTION=156963]Cricket-lion[/MENTION]

Please walk the talk or admit that you can’t.

 

[offstump]

Your belief is not sufficient proof, & it is infinitely weaker than an actual tape. You are enslaved by your devotion to Imran Khan.

If he tells you the earth is flat you will believe him because that is how much he has brainwashed his supporters & that is how much he controls their thinking.

However, those who are not enslaved by him cannot take your beliefs as proof.

And you are ready to accept anything that’s put in front of you as long as it comes from one of your messiahs. Such is your blind, irrational hatred. I’m surprised you’re unable to see how you yourself are everything your purport to hate.

You literally wrote “It is Imran’s voice & I have no reason to believe that it is an impersonation or some computer-generated audio. This is my proof.”

Now all of a sudden someone else’s belief isn’t sufficient proof. Folks, the resident PP Messiah has spoken, his belief trumps all other beliefs. Mamoon’s belief is final, and his fealty cannot be questioned by anyone.

 

[offstump]

[MENTION=156963]Cricket-lion[/MENTION]

Please walk the talk or admit that you can’t.

I won’t let this go hahaha, I want to see you spend your entire day chasing after this guy lol.


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[Mamoon]

And you are ready to accept anything that’s put in front of you as long as it comes from one of your messiahs. Such is your blind, irrational hatred. I’m surprised you’re unable to see how you yourself are everything your purport to hate.

You literally wrote “It is Imran’s voice & I have no reason to believe that it is an impersonation or some computer-generated audio. This is my proof.”

Now all of a sudden someone else’s belief isn’t sufficient proof. Folks, the resident PP Messiah has spoken, his belief trumps all other beliefs. Mamoon’s belief is final, and his fealty cannot be questioned by anyone.

My belief is based on something tangible, i.e. the audio tape. Your belief is backed by nothing. Please don’t take this as a personal attack - this is true for each & every person in this thread who are calling this fake but have not come up with a shred of concrete evidence to explain why this is fake.

Besides, knowing Imran’s history with women (if we can call it “history”) such tapes should not be surprising. I’m sure the establishment has a lot more volumes too that would be released periodically.

 

[Mamoon]

I won’t let this go hahaha, I want to see you spend your entire day chasing after this guy lol.


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Well he was the one who claimed that he can go now & produce a fake audio using a software, so I assumed that he is some sound engineer etc.

Why would you make such a statement when you can’t walk the talk? I am definitely not letting this gone unless I get a response from him.

 

[offstump]

My belief is based on something tangible, i.e. the audio tape. Your belief is backed by nothing. Please don’t take this as a personal attack - this is true for each & every person in this thread who are calling this fake but have not come up with a shred of concrete evidence to explain why this is fake.

Besides, knowing Imran’s history with women (if we can call it “history”) such tapes should not be surprising. I’m sure the establishment has a lot more volumes too that would be released periodically.

Your belief is based on believing that it’s Imran’s voice in the audio. The same is true the opposite way, one can believe it’s not his voice. Both beliefs are based on the same tangible evidence that’s in front of us. The only way to prove it’s real is to perform forensic analysis, neither of which anyone on this forum can do and only the person with the original file can initiate.

 

[offstump]

Well he was the one who claimed that he can go now & produce a fake audio using a software, so I assumed that he is some sound engineer etc.

Why would you make such a statement when you can’t walk the talk? I am definitely not letting this gone unless I get a response from him.

I’m sure that when/if he produces this audio you will say it’s not Shehbaz in the audio, then claim it’s different from what we’re all debating here because you know it’s coming from a fake source.

 

[Mamoon]

I’m sure that when/if he produces this audio you will say it’s not Shehbaz in the audio, then claim it’s different from what we’re all debating here because you know it’s coming from a fake source.

Well of course it will not be Shehbaz’s audio. He claimed that it is very easy to recreate someone’s voice & say whatever you want & that he can do it himself.

I gave him a script too. All he needs to do is create an audio tape of Shehbaz’s voice where he praises Imran & calls him the best PM ever, & it must be in Urdu.

If he can do that, I will entertain the possibility that the above audio tape is fake.

 

[Mamoon]

Your belief is based on believing that it’s Imran’s voice in the audio. The same is true the opposite way, one can believe it’s not his voice. Both beliefs are based on the same tangible evidence that’s in front of us. The only way to prove it’s real is to perform forensic analysis, neither of which anyone on this forum can do and only the person with the original file can initiate.

But one must have a solid reasoning to deny that it is Imran’s voice. Belief or denial will not work here. Every PTI supporter knows that it is Imran’s voice but they cannot admit it which is why they have no choice but to be in denial.

This is the standard modus operandi for PTI supporters. When rumors of Imran’s affair with Reham broke out during the 2014 long march, PTI supporters were in denial & called it a character assassination exercise.

After they were humiliated when the truth came out, they started to justify it by saying it is his personal life, he can do what he wants.

Similarly, when story of him marrying the pirni surfaced, again, it was met with strong denial until the truth came out & like before, they started to justify it.

If Imran gets caught red-handed or if it reaches a point where denial & conveniently calling it fake is no longer possible, PTI supporters will start justifying it.

So the usual process is the following: initially, everything that puts Imran in bad light is either a lie or fake work. However, if it is not, then whatever Imran did or said was justified & it is not a big deal because so & so have done worse things.

Ultimately, it is a win-win situation for Imran because he will always have his supporters backs whether it is denying his actions or justifying them.

Besides, as I said earlier, exposing Imran through the audio leaks is a pointless exercise. If PTI supporters can justify & defend the Sita White episode, they can also justify & defend some sleazy talk by Imran.

This is nothing in comparison to having a child out of wedlock which should have ruled him out from contesting in elections in the first place.

If PTI supporters are okay with that they will be okay with this too, so I don’t see the need for denial unless of course you think that he never had a daughter with Sita White & it is a fabricated story to malign his character.

 

[offstump]

But one must have a solid reasoning to deny that it is Imran’s voice. Belief or denial will not work here. Every PTI supporter knows that it is Imran’s voice but they cannot admit it which is why they have no choice but to be in denial.

This is the standard modus operandi for PTI supporters. When rumors of Imran’s affair with Reham broke out during the 2014 long march, PTI supporters were in denial & called it a character assassination exercise.

After they were humiliated when the truth came out, they started to justify it by saying it is his personal life, he can do what he wants.

Similarly, when story of him marrying the pirni surfaced, again, it was met with strong denial until the truth came out & like before, they started to justify it.

If Imran gets caught red-handed or if it reaches a point where denial & conveniently calling it fake is no longer possible, PTI supporters will start justifying it.

So the usual process is the following: initially, everything that puts Imran in bad light is either a lie or fake work. However, if it is not, then whatever Imran did or said was justified & it is not a big deal because so & so have done worse things.

Ultimately, it is a win-win situation for Imran because he will always have his supporters backs whether it is denying his actions or justifying them.

Besides, as I said earlier, exposing Imran through the audio leaks is a pointless exercise. If PTI supporters can justify & defend the Sita White episode, they can also justify & defend some sleazy talk by Imran.

This is nothing in comparison to having a child out of wedlock which should have ruled him out from contesting in elections in the first place.

If PTI supporters are okay with that they will be okay with this too, so I don’t see the need for denial unless of course you think that he never had a daughter with Sita White & it is a fabricated story to malign his character.

I’m not sure anyone is denying it’s not a voice that sounds like IK. It’s obvious it sounds like him, what’s disputable is whether it’s actually him in reality or not. Given where this is coming from, that’s reasoning enough to question its validity and that’s what is being debated here.

What’s ironic about your other points is that it’s the same exact same way PML/PDM supporters behave. In fact they just deflect and gaslight all day long.

I’m not sure how Sita entered this discussion on fake audio so it’s best to stay on topic which is the audio itself.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What’s the Audio about?

So what? I don’t care as to what he does in his personal life as long as he doesn’t steal nation’s money.

 

[MenInG]

I’m not sure anyone is denying it’s not a voice that sounds like IK. It’s obvious it sounds like him, what’s disputable is whether it’s actually him in reality or not. Given where this is coming from, that’s reasoning enough to question its validity and that’s what is being debated here.

What’s ironic about your other points is that it’s the same exact same way PML/PDM supporters behave. In fact they just deflect and gaslight all day long.

I’m not sure how Sita entered this discussion on fake audio so it’s best to stay on topic which is the audio itself.

This is a normal tactic.

 

[Mamoon]

I’m not sure anyone is denying it’s not a voice that sounds like IK. It’s obvious it sounds like him, what’s disputable is whether it’s actually him in reality or not. Given where this is coming from, that’s reasoning enough to question its validity and that’s what is being debated here.

What’s ironic about your other points is that it’s the same exact same way PML/PDM supporters behave. In fact they just deflect and gaslight all day long.

I’m not sure how Sita entered this discussion on fake audio so it’s best to stay on topic which is the audio itself.

The topic at hand is Imran’s despicable character with regards to women & how he has objectified them all his life & has shown no regard for his religion & culture.

He is a womanizer & it is not even up for debate. Anyone who has not been sleeping under the rock knows this.

Therefore, the Sita White issue is highly relevant in the context of this discussion. If his supporters can turn a blind eye to Imran have a child out of wedlock, they can also turn a blind eye to some sleazy audio tapes.

PTI is a cult & like all cults, the cult-members will defend their cult-leader no matter what. I agree with you that this is not unique to PTI only, but PTI supporters need to be reminded time & time again because they like to pretend that they are capable of judging Imran objectively.

Nonetheless, this audio tapes tactic is useless. He has done a lot worse in his but he still had the back of his supporters so this does not make any difference.

 

[Mamoon]

What’s the Audio about?

So what? I don’t care as to what he does in his personal life as long as he doesn’t steal nation’s money.

He is doing what he has done all his life when it comes to women. That should be a good enough hint for you.

Of course you & other PTI supporters don’t care. If you could support him & respect him after the Sita White episode, his womanizing & sleazy audio clips will not make any difference.

This is the point I am trying to make. It is a futile exercise to malign Imran.

 

[Varun]

Just heard this audio clip.

But one must have a solid reasoning to deny that it is Imran’s voice. Belief or denial will not work here. Every PTI supporter knows that it is Imran’s voice but they cannot admit it which is why they have no choice but to be in denial.

I don't understand. Why are these supporters in question defending Imran when he himself hasn't come out in denial? In fact if I was Imran or his supporters I would go all guns blazing, accepting it through and through and challenging Nawaz/Zardari/Bajwa on how many female partners they've ever had. Bet they'll come up short.

 

[Abdullah]

Your belief is based on believing that it’s Imran’s voice in the audio. The same is true the opposite way, one can believe it’s not his voice. Both beliefs are based on the same tangible evidence that’s in front of us. The only way to prove it’s real is to perform forensic analysis, neither of which anyone on this forum can do and only the person with the original file can initiate.

This is so painfully funny.
His proof is "tangible" because it's the tape
He knows your post is correct but won't bring himself to admit this for obvious reasons

 

[Abdullah]

^and I'm no IK fan. He is the best of a bad bunch

 

[MenInG]

Just heard this audio clip.



I don't understand. Why are these supporters in question defending Imran when he himself hasn't come out in denial? In fact if I was Imran or his supporters I would go all guns blazing, accepting it through and through and challenging Nawaz/Zardari/Bajwa on how many female partners they've ever had. Bet they'll come up short.

Have you checked World News sources?

NO ONE is giving it any importance except for one person here who has in the past told us that he has no love or interest in Pakistan.

This is why IK will never confirm or deny as it will only fan flames for the sake of people who hate him.

Deepfake is a well known issue.

 

[Varun]

Have you checked World News sources?

NO ONE is giving it any importance except for one person here who has in the past told us that he has no love or interest in Pakistan.

This is why IK will never confirm or deny as it will only fan flames for the sake of people who hate him.

Deepfake is a well known issue.

But let's join the dots here - Imran Khan tweets and is seen everyday but suddenly stopped posting anything on the day this came out - December 19. 4 days and counting of radio silence.

There seems more to it than meets the eye.

 

[Extra_Cover]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - Your agenda against Imran is on steroids in this thread. There are other posters who don't like Imran either but they have been relatively less outspoken in this thread and they prefer to have debates in more constructive threads like economy or foreign policy. But I guess these sort of threads is where you shine and you didn't let this opportunity go to waste and are out in full swing. Well I guess you should make use of your preferences for debate which you did.

There have been some points raised in this thread that I would like to shed my thoughts upon as well.

History of such acts
Its been bought up that Imran has history with women and the facts are right where there is no debate. But why is this logic being applied in one-way street and not looked at others? Imran's history only has a moral issue attached to it whilst PMLN/PPP's history has moral, political and criminal issues attached to them. When PMLN circulated indecent pics of Benazir that was moral + political concern. When PMLN blackmailed judges based of indecent videos that was moral + political + criminal issue. When an actress was money laundering money for Zardari that was political + criminal issue. The point is simple if you look at this individually you might think this is a massive moral compromise but if you look at this in the background of known other such issues you would realise this is a mere speck in the dirty political playground.

Burden of proof lies with defender
Some posters are posting this rubbish here. Who has studied law in here that can back this claim? For any act that is criminal in nature or has been committed whilst holding public office is where the burden of proof is with defender. In this instance its a moral issue and the burden of proof is with claimant. We all are way too familiar with "me too" cases which is the perfect example in here. In all such cases the burden of proof is with each respective claimant. Similarly to prove this is correct it needs to be proven by claimant in a court of law.

This is one of many tricks PMLN has used in the past where the usually go well below the belt. How can people forget Reham Khan. She tried her utter best at becoming the best mudslinger in the world and today she was where she has always been and Imran has only gone on to become more popular. Shame on her and rightly so.

MIG has made a very good comment that if there was an ounce of credibility in this report then Pakistani media would have pounced on it which they haven't. Pakistani media is pretty low standard and even if they are dismissing such noises then there is no weight in this one.

 

[MenInG]

But let's join the dots here - Imran Khan tweets and is seen everyday but suddenly stopped posting anything on the day this came out - December 19. 4 days and counting of radio silence.

There seems more to it than meets the eye.

No he hasnt tweeted because...

He is busy with the assemblies etc

The join the dot thing is more for the people who are looking at ways to get to IK.

Like I said NO MEDIA SOURCE or Political parties are talking/reporting this - why do you think that is?

 

[MenInG]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - Your agenda against Imran is on steroids in this thread. There are other posters who don't like Imran either but they have been relatively less outspoken in this thread and they prefer to have debates in more constructive threads like economy or foreign policy. But I guess these sort of threads is where you shine and you didn't let this opportunity go to waste and are out in full swing. Well I guess you should make use of your preferences for debate which you did.

There have been some points raised in this thread that I would like to shed my thoughts upon as well.

History of such acts
Its been bought up that Imran has history with women and the facts are right where there is no debate. But why is this logic being applied in one-way street and not looked at others? Imran's history only has a moral issue attached to it whilst PMLN/PPP's history has moral, political and criminal issues attached to them. When PMLN circulated indecent pics of Benazir that was moral + political concern. When PMLN blackmailed judges based of indecent videos that was moral + political + criminal issue. When an actress was money laundering money for Zardari that was political + criminal issue. The point is simple if you look at this individually you might think this is a massive moral compromise but if you look at this in the background of known other such issues you would realise this is a mere speck in the dirty political playground.

Burden of proof lies with defender
Some posters are posting this rubbish here. Who has studied law in here that can back this claim? For any act that is criminal in nature or has been committed whilst holding public office is where the burden of proof is with defender. In this instance its a moral issue and the burden of proof is with claimant. We all are way too familiar with "me too" cases which is the perfect example in here. In all such cases the burden of proof is with each respective claimant. Similarly to prove this is correct it needs to be proven by claimant in a court of law.

This is one of many tricks PMLN has used in the past where the usually go well below the belt. How can people forget Reham Khan. She tried her utter best at becoming the best mudslinger in the world and today she was where she has always been and Imran has only gone on to become more popular. Shame on her and rightly so.

MIG has made a very good comment that if there was an ounce of credibility in this report then Pakistani media would have pounced on it which they haven't. Pakistani media is pretty low standard and even if they are dismissing such noises then there is no weight in this one.

Excellent post but I feel it's lost with people who have hatred for IK in their hearts.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - Your agenda against Imran is on steroids in this thread. There are other posters who don't like Imran either but they have been relatively less outspoken in this thread and they prefer to have debates in more constructive threads like economy or foreign policy. But I guess these sort of threads is where you shine and you didn't let this opportunity go to waste and are out in full swing. Well I guess you should make use of your preferences for debate which you did.

There have been some points raised in this thread that I would like to shed my thoughts upon as well.

History of such acts
Its been bought up that Imran has history with women and the facts are right where there is no debate. But why is this logic being applied in one-way street and not looked at others? Imran's history only has a moral issue attached to it whilst PMLN/PPP's history has moral, political and criminal issues attached to them. When PMLN circulated indecent pics of Benazir that was moral + political concern. When PMLN blackmailed judges based of indecent videos that was moral + political + criminal issue. When an actress was money laundering money for Zardari that was political + criminal issue. The point is simple if you look at this individually you might think this is a massive moral compromise but if you look at this in the background of known other such issues you would realise this is a mere speck in the dirty political playground.

Burden of proof lies with defender
Some posters are posting this rubbish here. Who has studied law in here that can back this claim? For any act that is criminal in nature or has been committed whilst holding public office is where the burden of proof is with defender. In this instance its a moral issue and the burden of proof is with claimant. We all are way too familiar with "me too" cases which is the perfect example in here. In all such cases the burden of proof is with each respective claimant. Similarly to prove this is correct it needs to be proven by claimant in a court of law.

This is one of many tricks PMLN has used in the past where the usually go well below the belt. How can people forget Reham Khan. She tried her utter best at becoming the best mudslinger in the world and today she was where she has always been and Imran has only gone on to become more popular. Shame on her and rightly so.

MIG has made a very good comment that if there was an ounce of credibility in this report then Pakistani media would have pounced on it which they haven't. Pakistani media is pretty low standard and even if they are dismissing such noises then there is no weight in this one.

Thank you for the detailed post but you did not say anything different compared to the rest. You just used more words to explain your denial.

Putting two & two together is not evidence. Actual tapes are evidence.

Media didn’t give it much importance because Imran womanizing is not news. Even PTI supporters cannot deny it.

This is why leaking these tapes is useless. If PTI supporters love & respect Imran after Sita White, they will love & respect him after such tapes too.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=156963]Cricket-lion[/MENTION]

I am still waiting for your work.

 

[MenInG]

Thank you for the detailed post but you did not say anything different compared to the rest. You just used more words to explain your denial.

Putting two & two together is not evidence. Actual tapes are evidence.

Media didn’t give it much importance because Imran womanizing is not news. Even PTI supporters cannot deny it.

This is why leaking these tapes is useless. If PTI supporters love & respect Imran after Sita White, they will love & respect him after such tapes too.

Good try.

This is exactly the type of news that would be used by the Media to bring IK down. Do you think Mariyum Nawaz would not even tweet about it in passing?

Why do you think GEO the mouthpiece of Sharifs mentioned it in passing in their article? It's because they are already facing a law suit from Imran for lying.

On the other hand, if one were to go with your style of thinking, the fact that there is NO interest in India or Pakistan media shows how irrelevant this is to the whole discourse.

In your own words, Good Try.

 

[MenInG]

But let's join the dots here - Imran Khan tweets and is seen everyday but suddenly stopped posting anything on the day this came out - December 19. 4 days and counting of radio silence.

There seems more to it than meets the eye.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strongly condemn the suicide terrorist attack in Islamabad today. Salute the brave police officer who was martyred saving lives & greater destruction. The law & order situation is deteriorating rapidly across the country reflecting total failure of Imported govt & intel agencies.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1606278176488955904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 23, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[SpiritOf1903]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strongly condemn the suicide terrorist attack in Islamabad today. Salute the brave police officer who was martyred saving lives & greater destruction. The law & order situation is deteriorating rapidly across the country reflecting total failure of Imported govt & intel agencies.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1606278176488955904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 23, 2022</a></blockquote>
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As opposition leader this was necessary.

All in all, this story is highly plausible given the historical behaviour of accused party. A socialite to all effects and purposes who lived the libertarian lifestyle and adapted to become a populist politician.

It's all textbook of the characteristics of accused individual

 

[MenInG]

As opposition leader this was necessary.

All in all, this story is highly plausible given the historical behaviour of accused party. A socialite to all effects and purposes who lived the libertarian lifestyle and adapted to become a populist politician.

It's all textbook of the characteristics of accused individual

Once again this is all based upon perception, what we would like to believe.

 

[Bewal Express]

Please provide evidence that the concerned tapes are fake. Giving examples of other tape is not evidence.

I have,the CJP tapes came from the same people. So poor is your argument that you have not attempted to defend why you believed them. The company is desperate, their idiotic supporters fall for anything.

 

[Kriketer]

Yes. They are real when it is the opposition but fake when it comes to the fake messiah & liar Imran Khan.

It's as fake as they get.

How are you enjoying the clown show of your fake government? We don't get any sort of deep analysis from you on current government anymore. During PTI you had Time pass section filled with anti-IK essays

 

[Kriketer]

Its funny how the likes of Major and Mamoon stay away from PDM's economic performance thread but are the first to respond and post over here.

No surprises. All their big posts and lectures here during IK PM days have gone down in the garbage bin where they rightfully belong.

They know well how pathetic this current government is, clowns of circus running a government, simply put a sh*t show of the highest order so no surprises likes of Major and Mamoon never post on PDM performance thread.

 

[Bewal Express]

It's as fake as they get.

How are you enjoying the clown show of your fake government? We don't get any sort of deep analysis from you on current government anymore. During PTI you had Time pass section filled with anti-IK essays

Your asking the hypocrite some difficult questions and he will disappear until he finds other anti IK tittle tattle. Did you see any passion from him when his band of thugs killed innocent people like Dr Rizwan, Arshad Sharif( Shaheed), and dozens of others. This hypocrite has the audacity to claim that SS was a real PM but it hasn't gone unnoticed by everyone else that we have no reserves of own left,inflation is at 40%, exports are down and imports have been blocked. The loser runs when challenged.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It's as fake as they get.

How are you enjoying the clown show of your fake government? We don't get any sort of deep analysis from you on current government anymore. During PTI you had Time pass section filled with anti-IK essays

How do you know they are fake? I have heard the audio, and it is IK's voice. Do you think some guy sitting in Karachi was doing Mimicry of both IMran and Ayala?

 

[Lemack]

I don't get emotional when I analyse these things because I know a reasonable amount of the workings of PTI and Imran

Imran's private live is well documented in the public domain. There is a lot of other things where you can easily get 2+2 together and come to a reasonable conclusion about

I suggest you join your local PTI branch in the UK, spend a few years and if you have contacts in Pakistan spend time with the politicians there. It is honestly not too hard if you are interested. We may even bump into each other at some point

You will see the reality of Imran - let me be clear the reality isn't that bad. But he is no saint or messiah.

A messiah compelx can make or break a party. These last few months have really dented Imran image and PTI needs to strengthen itself as an institution so its not overly reliant on one figure head. A figure head that seems to be going down the trump route atm.

Of course they opposite side is going to fling things, do you think it would ever be a cake walk? However the world is not so simple that anything they throw is a lie and everything that is thrown back is the truth.

I am sure you even thought Imran incorporating Pervez Elahi into the Punjab leadership was a visionary move. But he incorporated the most corrupt khandan in punjab ( perhaps second after the sharifs).

All I am saying is no need to bury your head in the sand all the time. He is only human.

Excellent analysis, surely this post is a contender for post of the week?

Imran Khan, as idealistic and sincere as he is, is still flawed.

He isn't very knowledgeable about his own religion but his heart is in the right place and he is a million times better than the thieves that have been running Pakistan for decades.

 

[MenInG]

How do you know they are fake? I have heard the audio, and it is IK's voice. Do you think some guy sitting in Karachi was doing Mimicry of both IMran and Ayala?

That's the whole point of making fakes!

 

[Cricket-lion]

No surprises. All their big posts and lectures here during IK PM days have gone down in the garbage bin where they rightfully belong.

They know well how pathetic this current government is, clowns of circus running a government, simply put a sh*t show of the highest order so no surprises likes of Major and Mamoon never post on PDM performance thread.

What performance? Pakistan is going to default soon due to the incompetent PDM. Mr Mamoon and Major promised us dreams but gave the nation misery. This is great humiliation.

 

[Mamoon]

What performance? Pakistan is going to default soon due to the incompetent PDM. Mr Mamoon and Major promised us dreams but gave the nation misery. This is great humiliation.

Where is your work? I am still waiting for your audio tape.