In a fair world, Ahmad Shehzad would have been opening for Pakistan on the England tour

[Amjid Javed]

Dude, Shehzad has played most of his matches in Asia. That's why he has a good average.

This comment kills the whole thread ) well done! time to close the thread

 

[LowKiiSavage]

yea. Masood's innings was record breaking.

do you actually think the 194>Masood's innings?

Yes. SL bowling attack vs Kiwi attack? Really?

 

[LowKiiSavage]

Whatever shortcomings Masood has as a batsman he covers them up with a lot of guts, application and being dope as hell on the mic.

Plus his angrazi is better than Shazzy and does a mean workout session in the Gym. And did i mention he's a CLH as well so.....


Sorry Sheezy Shan wins it hands down.

Saying Shan is better than Shehzad is an absolute joke. One can make a case about Hafeez but not about ducking on a deadpitch against Jimmy and getting bowled Shan Masood.

But i would rather not delve further. This is futile. Sigh.

 

[Slog]

Yes. SL bowling attack vs Kiwi attack? Really?

Yes. Look at the pitch and context. Firstly it wasnt even 194. It was 176

It was first innings of the match.

And these were our batsmen scores:
Hafeez - 96
Shehzad - 176
Azhar Ali - 87
Younis Khan - 100*
Misbah ul Haq - 102*

and then we declared.


So literally EVERYONE runs

On the other hand. In Masood's innings.

It was 4th innings of Tst match. In first innings, Pak got out for 216 with only a late charge by Sarfaraz even getting us over 150.

And in 4th innings, chasing our highest ever score, we were 13/2 (with Shezad getting out on a duck) before Masood and YK played a record breaking partnership.

 

[Adrak]

These are the current pool of openers Pakistan have and there Test avgs are listed by me below!!

Name - Test Average

Khurram Manzoor - 28
Nasir Jamshed - 12
Sami Aslam - 15
Shan Masood - 26
Taufeeq Umar - 28
Mohammad Hafeez - 40
Azhar Ali - 23
comapred to this our Ahmad Shahzad averages 43 in Test cricket and has mostly faced tough opposition such as SA, Aus, NZ, SL. So he hasnot made any easy runs like others esp Hafeez. And despite that he has the best record of all available openers!!!

One other thing is the recent Pakistan cup where he was far better than any other opener or batsman in this country and averaged 100+ im sure. Also once he was given captaincy he was even better so if life was fair he would be in team and given some gradual leadership responsivility as well!!!!!
so from cricketing angle there is no reason for him not to be playing in england if you look at his record and recent form. can someone explain seriously why is he not there????

infact i saw on twitter that f you look at statistics then Ahmad is the second best proper opener in the history of pakistan cricket after Saeed anwar (minimun of 10+innings). And he is very young so will only get better.

I checked on cricinfo and these are top 3 opener averages in pakistan operner history (more than 10 innings):
Saeed Anwar - 47
Ahmad Shahzad - 43
Shoaib Malik - 42
Majid Khan - 42
Hanif Mohammad - 41
so as i mentioned. If life was fair and selection was on merit then Ahmad not only would have been in the team but one of the first names on the sheet. A talented youngster like him who already is the second best opener in our history should be encouraged and helped. He can easily become the best ever for us considering his tender age. He should be given vice captaincy and odi captaincy but Instead Waqr younis, inzamam, misbah and grant flower are doing their best to destroy his budding career!!!

i have notced some ppl on this forum are also his haters but one should not also deny facts. As i showed his record is much much better than any current opener and he is also one of the best we have ever had.

if Shehzad was indian he would have broken sehwag record by now
shame how misuse pcb do on him and then they shed tears on talents running away to australia, south africa and england

 

[Muhammad10]

Yes. Look at the pitch and context. Firstly it wasnt even 194. It was 176

It was first innings of the match.

And these were our batsmen scores:
Hafeez - 96
Shehzad - 176
Azhar Ali - 87
Younis Khan - 100*
Misbah ul Haq - 102*

and then we declared.


So literally EVERYONE runs

On the other hand. In Masood's innings.

It was 4th innings of Tst match. In first innings, Pak got out for 216 with only a late charge by Sarfaraz even getting us over 150.

And in 4th innings, chasing our highest ever score, we were 13/2 (with Shezad getting out on a duck) before Masood and YK played a record breaking partnership.

Excellent points.

Amazing how certain people are so eager to disregard context when it goes against their rather obvious agendas.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Yes. Look at the pitch and context. Firstly it wasnt even 194. It was 176

It was first innings of the match.

And these were our batsmen scores:
Hafeez - 96
Shehzad - 176
Azhar Ali - 87
Younis Khan - 100*
Misbah ul Haq - 102*

and then we declared.


So literally EVERYONE runs

On the other hand. In Masood's innings.

It was 4th innings of Tst match. In first innings, Pak got out for 216 with only a late charge by Sarfaraz even getting us over 150.

And in 4th innings, chasing our highest ever score, we were 13/2 (with Shezad getting out on a duck) before Masood and YK played a record breaking partnership.

If Shehzad hadn't got out on a duck, and scored big, would that record breaking partnership would have been possible then? The answer is no. Sometimes you have to sacrifice your wicket for something great.

 

[Muhammad10]

If Shehzad hadn't got out on a duck, and scored big, would that record breaking partnership would have been possible then? The answer is no. Sometimes you have to sacrifice your wicket for something great.

Touché. I suppose we should have specialists opening in England in order to allow Azhar Ali and Younis Khan to form record breaking partnerships...

 

[Hasan123]

From Thursday onwards no one will care about shehzad. Hope he enjoys watching the game from his sofa. This thread should be visited after the UK tour is over.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

From Thursday onwards no one will care about shehzad. Hope he enjoys watching the game from his sofa. This thread should be visited after the UK tour is over.

Millions will.

 

[Ahson8]

Millions will.

Lol at millions.

 

[Slog]

Lol at millions.

BILLIONS bro!!!

 

[Hasan123]

Millions will.

I won't and many on this forum won't. Shehzad is not bigger than the team!

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Did it hurt today when Babar scored runs as an opener and actually did something Shehzad cant. Won his team the game

 

[Ahson8]

BILLIONS bro!!!

I thought it would have been trillions...

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

coching staff will be finding it even tuff now to justify this unfairness

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

There's a man who would have done the job for us today! But he's chilling in Barbados

:ahmed

It's a shameful deed by PCB that our most talented batsmen in yrs is not there on the tour to give us the great starts that he has so often given us in the past.

He has 10 international centuries and today would have been very useful.

Shan Masood finally learnt how to survive a bit and with Ahmad we would have put a huge opening stand and would have saved the match and maybe even go for the win

its tru what our elders say. Allah always gives justice!

 

[Sandeep]

Please tell me you're trolling or you will get hell fire :ahmed

 

[msb314]

:ahmed

It's a shameful deed by PCB that our most talented batsmen in yrs is not there on the tour to give us the great starts that he has so often given us in the past.

He has 10 international centuries and today would have been very useful.

Shan Masood finally learnt how to survive a bit and with Ahmad we would have put a huge opening stand and would have saved the match and maybe even go for the win

its tru what our elders say. Allah always gives justice!

I would gladly have Shehzad over Hafeez or Azhar right now.

 

[Sandeep]

As they say, the best player is always not in the squad..

 

[Slog]

I would gladly have Shehzad over Hafeez or Azhar right now.

he is our second best opener after saeed anwar #trollmode

 

[LowKiiSavage]

The 'show' must go on..

 

[Slog]

The 'show' must go on..

do you think he is our second best opener ever as per OP?

 

[Smbhayi]

Shehzad heard op. as a result Shehzad put a big dive to dismiss Watson (btw don't know which happens first).

Tbh I'd have Shehzad over Hafeez. Both are bad but Shehzad has more temperament to play big innings and also he has more future compared to Professor.

 

[Hasan123]

His footwork is more than enough for him to be sat in Barbados. He will be back for the West Indies series anyway.

 

[LowKiiSavage]

do you think he is our second best opener ever as per OP?

No.

 

[Slog]

No.

shukar Allah!!

 

[LowKiiSavage]

shukar Allah!!

You seem happy with his exclusion though apparently. It probably would be short-lived considering the current situation..

 

[Slog]

You seem happy with his exclusion though apparently. It probably would be short-lived considering the current situation..

he'll be embarassed all the same so no changes there

with Shehzad we were getting a proven failure who averages 20s outside UAE in a country where Masood has a significantly higher average and better record. Here you can have a delusion (at start) that Masood may do well.

so the downside was that we will have an opener as poor as Shehzad but the upside was higher.

 

[LowKiiSavage]

he'll be embarassed all the same so no changes there

with Shehzad we were getting a proven failure who averages 20s outside UAE in a country where Masood has a significantly higher average and better record. Here you can have a delusion (at start) that Masood may do well.

so the downside was that we will have an opener as poor as Shehzad but the upside was higher.

You have based your opinion on an extremely small sample size. Another argument is that Shan has an average of 28. Which is over all performance and pretty awful.

Shehzad is proven poor in your head, and it would pretty much stay in that. Selectors have different plans though.

 

[zoro]

You have based your opinion on an extremely small sample size. Another argument is that Shan has an average of 28. Which is over all performance and pretty awful.

Shehzad is proven poor in your head, and it would pretty much stay in that. Selectors have different plans though.

After shans gutsy performance today, i think he deserves a run in the team.
HAFEEZ is the one wh should be droppd and shezzie takes his place.
in odis shezzie and sharjeel should open.
i think you agree with me and soon bro the shezzie and umar haters will become shezzie and umar fans when they realise that there is no quality replacements for these two and they are the best of their generation in pakistan.

 

[Jabo]

Fair world?

What the hell are you on about?

He was awful before the WT20 and should have been dropped

He was dropped

but we played awful somewhere so they bought him back for the WT20

he was dropped for 1 series

and now after the Wt20, have we even played a series after that?

or is this the first one?

unfair is if we don't accept him back into the side for 3+ years and he's been performing in domestic cricket, but it's not even been 1 year

some people are just . stupid

 

[LowKiiSavage]

Fair world?

What the hell are you on about?

He was awful before the WT20 and should have been dropped

He was dropped

but we played awful somewhere so they bought him back for the WT20

he was dropped for 1 series

and now after the Wt20, have we even played a series after that?

or is this the first one?

unfair is if we don't accept him back into the side for 3+ years and he's been performing in domestic cricket, but it's not even been 1 year

some people are just . stupid

WT20 has no correlation to a test series but you have your points.

 

[Prince_]

Shehzad is the best opener in current Pakistan side. Actually he's one of the most talented batsmen of this generation.


I feel sorry for those desperate fans who think that players like shafiq or azhar r in the same league of root or kohli, when the the truth is the only Pakistani player who truly belongs to that league is sitting in West indies now

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Fair world?

What the hell are you on about?

He was awful before the WT20 and should have been dropped

He was dropped

but we played awful somewhere so they bought him back for the WT20

he was dropped for 1 series

and now after the Wt20, have we even played a series after that?

or is this the first one?

unfair is if we don't accept him back into the side for 3+ years and he's been performing in domestic cricket, but it's not even been 1 year

some people are just . stupid

Not stupid. They are blind fans. They dont care about Pakistan team as long as their Shezzy is in it. Ive seen some of his twitter fans who often say we wont watch matches if shehzad isnt playing. Truth is that he is worse than Hafeez and wouldve been badly exposed in this tour. Thank God he isnt on the selectors radars and they are looking at other openers even if Hafeez i kicked out. He does not know how to score against any good attack or under any kind of pressure. Rubbish player with a worse technique than Hafeez. He couldnt play pace bowling on the flat tracks of the world cup and his fans want him to open in away Tests. He has toured one country besides UAE and that is Sri Lanka and he has failed there. Even if his attitude was perfect he still shouldnt be near the team in any format. Im sure some of his fans are happy that our openers are failing.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Shehzad is the best opener in current Pakistan side. Actually he's one of the most talented batsmen of this generation.


I feel sorry for those desperate fans who think that players like shafiq or azhar r in the same league of root or kohli, when the the truth is the only Pakistani player who truly belongs to that league is sitting in West indies now

No he belongs in the league of Bradman and Viv

 

[marlonbrowndo]

You have based your opinion on an extremely small sample size. Another argument is that Shan has an average of 28. Which is over all performance and pretty awful.

Shehzad is proven poor in your head, and it would pretty much stay in that. Selectors have different plans though.

Yeah thank God they are looking at other openers in all formats.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Tbh Pakistani fans should stop bringing up Shehzad because he is irrelevant. He will soon be forgotten like other mediocre openers before him.

 

[Adil_94]

Shehzads technique would have been dissected by the English seamers. I don't see him doing much better than Hafeez.

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[marlonbrowndo]

Shehzads technique would have been dissected by the English seamers. I don't see him doing much better than Hafeez.

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Wouldve done worse because he barely lasted a few overs against good sides on the world cups flat tracks.

 

[LowKiiSavage]

Yeah thank God they are looking at other openers in all formats.

Arent you the most unbiased, honest cookie here?

 

[Slog]

Wouldve done worse because he barely lasted a few overs against good sides on the world cups flat tracks.

lol he's failing in CPL too so far

 

[Big Mac]

In this hypothetical fair world of yours, does Shehzad spend more time in the nets than he does on twitter or in front of a mirror?

 

[LowKiiSavage]

lol he's failing in CPL too so far

You sound worried, slog. Bumping old threads. Whats going on, old chap?

 

[#GreenRoars]

Na, he is good for party league.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

lol he's failing in CPL too so far

Good news for Pakistans future

 

[waleed88]

do you think he is our second best opener ever as per OP?

According to some Ahmed Shehzad is the best opener ever since he is the only batsman in Pakistan's history to get a 100 in all 3 formats )

Its like saying Theo Walcott is better than Messi because the former has a hatrick against Croatia )

 

[Zain Zaidi]

Op name explains it all....

Ikr he likes shahzad and wants him to play but imo masood should be given more chances.
I like boom boom too but don't want him to play Intl. Cricket anymore peace.

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[Tera Gawaandi]

Shezzy is very entertaining, he *looks* so busy on crease, tries too many shots.

And treat to watch him bat against spinners, great technique.

He is a panther while fielding. Great agility. Dives even if there is no need, looks so dashing.

BTW he has started to look his real age 27-28 now, no way he is 24.

He will make a comeback, he is best opener in Pakistan. Also he was wrongly dropped from test team.

 

[Anfield]

He has a very poor technique. He would not have survived more than 40 balls.

 

[aukhan]

LOL he would have been exposed badly in these conditions. He should thank his lucky stars.

 

[saeedhk]

In a fair world, Shehzad would have been banned from playing cricket.A joke of a cricketer.

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[Slog]

You sound worried, slog. Bumping old threads. Whats going on, old chap?

It's a thread from yesterday

But yes I'm worried about Pakistan's future

 

[LowKiiSavage]

It's a thread from yesterday

But yes I'm worried about Pakistan's future

Oh, sure you are, slog. Of course.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

shehzad's weakness against outside off stump is even worse than hafeez which would have got him exposed more blatantly.. dropped from this tour was a blessing for him to make a comeback in phattas and against lulloos bowling at him in UAE...

 

[marlonbrowndo]

His fans actually think he gets behind the line of the ball!! Guy is worse outside his off stump than Hafeez

 

[street cricketer]

I'm sorry parosis but Shehzad is your best opener.

Time to accept the fact, swallow the pride and bring him back into the team.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I'm sorry parosis but Shehzad is your best opener.

Time to accept the fact, swallow the pride and bring him back into the team.

This is such a troll post ...... I mean seriously streety, wasn't expecting such below the belt stuff from you mate !!!

We will rise from the ashes and conquer all

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

I'm sorry parosis but Shehzad is your best opener.

Time to accept the fact, swallow the pride and bring him back into the team.

Yes the selectors have made a big mistake. They should go to him with their tails between their legs and ask him to come back. He is specially being missed in the test team. After all the guy has an ave. of 43 and in 11 tests he has played so far, he has 3 big hundreds to his name.

Yes Pakistan think tank swallow your pride and bring him back!

 

[Slog]

Bump!

Today we have moved on

Even his die hards don't have any leg to stand on

 

[Sachin136]

Bump!

Today we have moved on

Even his die hards don't have any leg to stand on

Even Shehzad averages 57.45 in the UAE. Once Younis and Misbah retire, Azhar might have to move down to the middle order with Shehzad opening again.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Azhar 4 away from a triple century. Much better than the 109 Shehzad got in the practice game. In all seriousness this guy is an awful player

 

[Slog]

Even Shehzad averages 57.45 in the UAE. Once Younis and Misbah retire, Azhar might have to move down to the middle order with Shehzad opening again.

Yes the point is that Sami Aslam has proved himself in England as well

 

[Hasan123]

Hopefully Azhar and Sami have ended Shehzads test career for a long time.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Both Shehzad and U. Akmal: perform in FC. Score 100s and get in team. Merit base.

Plain and simple

 

[Obstructing_the_field]

i think Sami Aslam has given a good super glue quiet call to all Ahmad Shazad fans ( and believe me i was his fan too way back in 2010z)

attitude wise he is abs rubbish... i would easily have 11 sami aslams in trade for 11 shahzadz...

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Even Shehzad averages 57.45 in the UAE. Once Younis and Misbah retire, Azhar might have to move down to the middle order with Shehzad opening again.

Babar and most likely Umar(unless Haris comes back) will replace those two.

 

[pasha404]

At least for the recent time Shehzad and Hafeez chapter look closed

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Allah Ka Shukar, We have finally managed to get rid of these useless cricketers.

At least for the time being i.e.

 

[Abdul]

We're honestly better off without players like him in our team.

 

[Slog]

Honestly id take him over Salman butt....

On another note. Where is this legendary OP!

 

[Slog]

Now that he has inevitably failed to do well in the t20s so far and if this continues I can bet my bottom dollar that his fans will switch their arguments on the head and say he deserves a recall to the test team and that that's been his format all along...

Allah Ka Shukar, We have finally managed to get rid of these useless cricketers.

At least for the time being i.e.

Well how did that work out

 

[Varun]

Performances not too idealistic at the moment.

 

[Slog]

Now that he has inevitably failed to do well in the t20s so far and if this continues I can bet my bottom dollar that his fans will switch their arguments on the head and say he deserves a recall to the test team and that that's been his format all along...


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He should only play test cricket. Good test opener.

LMAO

That didn't take long

 

[marlonbrowndo]

What an absolutely mediocre batsman. The few fans he has left have nothing left to say anymore

 

[in_cutter]

What an absolutely mediocre batsman. The few fans he has left have nothing left to say anymore

But but but he has the swagger

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

He is under pressure. Give him time.

 

[shaz619]

He is under pressure. Give him time.

Even if he was scoring runs people would still criticise because runs would not be valued against the WI's, he can't win either way; but he should be given the full series before a decision is made or else it was just pointless bringing him back in the first place only to give him the boot after some failures.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Even if he was scoring runs people would still criticise because runs would not be valued against the WI's, he can't win either way; but he should be given the full series before a decision is made or else it was just pointless bringing him back in the first place only to give him the boot after some failures.

I am not his fan but once you are dumped to domestic cricket than there is a huge financial shock and set back. Than once you make a comeback you are under a lot of pressure and you play with a lot of nerves and fear. Hence he needs to be given couple of series.


But He is a Proper proper Actor and it hasn't helped his Cricket over the years. Furthermore he thinks as if he is a world class player and talent which he is not and it has himdered his progress and improvement over the years. At Under 17 levels Ahmed Shehzad was the best batting Talent of entire Pakistan.


Hope you like my post in Ambulance thread

 

[shaz619]

I am not his fan but once you are dumped to domestic cricket than there is a huge financial shock and set back. Than once you make a comeback you are under a lot of pressure and you play with a lot of nerves and fear. Hence he needs to be given couple of series.


But He is a Proper proper Actor and it hasn't helped his Cricket over the years. Furthermore he thinks as if he is a world class player and talent which he is not and it has himdered his progress and improvement over the years. At Under 17 levels Ahmed Shehzad was the best batting Talent of entire Pakistan.


Hope you like my post in Ambulance thread

I agree with your post am not his biggest fan either but we need to be objective in our assessment, will take a look