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"In Pakistan, concept is that if a white man speaks English, all he says is right" : Abdul Razzaq

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"In Pakistan, concept is that if a white man speaks English, all he says is right" : Abdul Razzaq

Abdul Razzaq speaking about Mickey Arthur on a TV show:

"As far as Mickey Arthur's statements are concerned, nobody criticses him which shows what the relation is between him and the rest of the management"

"There was a time when a coach would give certain statements, the whole management would be in an uproar but no one questions him"

"If you are the chairman and I am the head coach and I have your permission to say what I want to, then what is the debate about?"

"In the past, all our coaches would be given notices for giving statements and the board would take action against them"

"We need a coach who is active in the ground and who does practical training for the players. We don't need the coach who just talks or has meetings"

"In Pakistan, there is a concept that if a white man speaks English, they are stunned and all that he says in English is right"

"The thing is that he hasn't played international cricket and doesn't know about the pressure of international cricket, specially about India-Pakistan games. He can't imagine what players feel, how to motivate them and ready them for big games"
 
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They got notices because they were morons and said what they shouldn't say. Mickey isn't stupid and says stuff which is well within his remit.
 
They got notices because they were morons and said what they shouldn't say. Mickey isn't stupid and says stuff which is well within his remit.

As per these 'experts', his comments about Wahab/Sohail/Hafeez (the three legends) were all worthy of notices.

All we need is the glory days under Pakistani coaches such as Javed Miandad.
 
How is this kind of racism okay? What if a white man calls Razzaq a brownie or something on national television? I hope some action is taken.
 
Razzaq is correct. It's a south Asian mentality. Athar is no saint, he is playing darter in UAE.
 
Razzaq really needs to do some research before opening his gob. Micky has always been criticised. He's been called so-and-so by Yousuf, anchors in the studio etc.

This is what you call uneducated and racially motivated comments. Shameful that he, and others are allowed to say crap like that w/o any negative fallback.
 
How is this kind of racism okay? What if a white man calls Razzaq a brownie or something on national television? I hope some action is taken.

Nothing will happen as that particular word has been uttered a few times before by ex-players and anchors about Micky. Really despicable.
 
We can see the fear Indians have of Mickey, who handed them their biggest thrashing and will do so again in the final

Indians are terrified, Mickey's on fire.

Terrified of Pak coach? Pls explain the logic in your statement. In the last 4 matches against India pak won only 1 and Indians are terrified ????
 
99 world cup final choker.

Atleast Mickey has won a ICC tournament for Pakistan.

Let's be fair, Razzaq won a T20 World Cup and bowled pretty well throughout.

Even though his comments are ignorance personified. Just shows that a great player doesn't make a great pundit or commentator.
 
Lol, Razzaq even took a dig at Bob Woolmer when he died saying he was only interested in money,
 
Not sure why MA has so many haters, he is the best coach Pakistan have had when it comes to discipline and professionalism. Only a coach like Arthur could produce some kind of result with this poor bunch of players
 
I like micky Arthur as he put his heart on his sleeve but frankly speaking he should really be finding the way so that bowlers can start swing it again instead of giving mindless speech to the media
 
I’m not the biggest fan of Arthur but Razzaq is a downright tool. Most bitter person I have ever come across in sport
 
All these bitter experts look for when you are down and then they come out guns loaded. It is a typical behavior.
 
99 world cup final choker.

Atleast Mickey has won an ICC tournament for Pakistan.


Razzaq Also failed in Mohali semi final 2011. Razzaq is showing that he is no better than likes of Moyo who just know how to whine and complain.

However Mickey blundered by Bringing Asif Ali into the ODi side. Middle order is very weak the real reason Pakistan failed to get a decent total twice.
 
These guys only come out after a bad result and always have nothing useful to say.
 
I have heard whole shows .

Razzak was a very good all rounder , but stupid analyst , completely biased.
He said that CT victory was credit for whole team , but all these loses Mickey has to be blamed.

Rashid also said that earlier pakistan players were mentally stronger against India. Mr Rashid is forgetting that Pakistan lost to India in WC 1992 , 1996 , 1999 , 2003 , 2007 . It had names like Inzamam , Imran , Miandad , Waqar , saqlain , Malik , Rashid himself etc etc. How were they more mentally tougher ?
 
Sad that our greats will be remembered more for such outbursts than anything else.

Sad people - I pity them.
 
I agree with razzaq. We were mentally stronger in the 80s and the 90s compared to now. The workd cup games are only a few in number compared to how we used to dominate india in ODIs and tests .. we won so many games from hopeless situations against india during those years and its purely because of mental toughness.. a quality that the current lot is lacking at the moment.
The indian team is now dominant because they are battle hardened by playing more cricket against quality opposition across the world.

Considering the circumstances, its a miracle pakistan was able to win the CT. Some will say the beat india by fluke but they could not have gotten into the final due to a fluke. I think the DNA of the team sometimes shows up when they punch above their weight but for the most part they are not mentally tough anymore...
 
In comparison azhar doesnt complain although he didnt get as many chances as razzaq. Imo he was a better cricketer than razzaq
 
In comparison azhar doesnt complain although he didnt get as many chances as razzaq. Imo he was a better cricketer than razzaq

He was unfairly discarded for Razzaq. Who can forget his centuries against Donald and Pollock in 1997. Unfortunately in conditions like Pakistan, there is no room for more than one pace bowling all-rounder.
 
Mere coincidence these comments are coming now as opposed to say, the Champions Trophy final?
 
"There was a time when a coach would give certain statements, the whole management would be in an uproar but no one questions him"

"In the past, all our coaches would be given notices for giving statements and the board would take action against them"

When was this ? Which coach received notices ? What has Arthur said to deserve a notice ?

Razzaq always has an axe to grind.
 
Pakistan Cricket Players come from low background and Lack of education
Which results in them Being Total Clueless and Low IQ.
Even The Fans can understand the game better than some of our players specially Our Great 3 format captain
this guy has got to be most clueless captain in the history of the game.
he has been part of team consistently from 6 years still has no clue whats going on? is that something linked with low education and low IQ

Even the fans commentators everyone can see how dumb he is its crazy. 30 of 30 required ball reversing
what does our captain do
Let usama bowl like how clueless can u actually be and there are thousands of other basic mistakes he does that everyone can spot. No doubt he is great batsmen. but he clueless as a leader so are some of his freinds
They all are dulusional and they think they are world beaters and rely on Qudrat ka nizam God helping them etc. I think it All comes from them being low educated. babar looks nice guy that has nothing to do with captaincy however his ego won’t accept that. Ego again is. sign of low education.
 
What does education have to do with it?

If you love the game and have been watching and playing it since you were a kid, you should be able to understand it.
 
Masood has a UK university degree but he has zero talent to play at the top level.

Kohli’s formal education ended at Grade 12 but every time he opens his mouth, you can see how intelligent and insightful he is.

You don’t need to be formally educated to be self-aware and know what is happening around what you need to do. For that you need intelligence and to execute that, you need talent.

Most Pakistani players have all the bad qualities. They have no self-awareness because they have no intelligence and they also have no talent.

The few players who have talent don’t have the intelligence and the few players who have the intelligence don’t have the talent to execute it.

For example, Masood is fully aware of his weaknesses and he has tried his best to rectify them, but he doesn’t have the ability and skill to execute them in match situations.

The likes of Babar and Shaheen have a lot of ability but they are not smart enough to improve themselves and adjust.

Shaheen will keep doing the same thing even if when it is not working because he is not self-aware. Babar is still poor against spin because he doesn’t have the self-awareness to improve.

Kohli flopped big time in England in 2014. He couldn’t play Anderson.

4 years later when he returned to England, he scored 500+ runs and Anderson couldn’t get him out.

This is what happens when you are self-aware and also talented enough to execute it in match situations.
 
Nobody can teach you game awareness - don’t think this has anything to do with education. Even the Indian cricketers aren’t college educated or come from rural areas (tbf they all start young though)

But yes, I do generally feel that Pak cricketers have a lack of intelligence- they can’t read pitches, wrong bowling changes, absurd field placements - sorry for being blunt, but they just seem dumb.
 
Masood has a UK university degree but he has zero talent to play at the top level.

Kohli’s formal education ended at Grade 12 but every time he opens his mouth, you can see how intelligent and insightful he is.

You don’t need to be formally educated to be self-aware and know what is happening around what you need to do. For that you need intelligence and to execute that, you need talent.

Most Pakistani players have all the bad qualities. They have no self-awareness because they have no intelligence and they also have no talent.

The few players who have talent don’t have the intelligence and the few players who have the intelligence don’t have the talent to execute it.

For example, Masood is fully aware of his weaknesses and he has tried his best to rectify them, but he doesn’t have the ability and skill to execute them in match situations.

The likes of Babar and Shaheen have a lot of ability but they are not smart enough to improve themselves and adjust.

Shaheen will keep doing the same thing even if when it is not working because he is not self-aware. Babar is still poor against spin because he doesn’t have the self-awareness to improve.

Kohli flopped big time in England in 2014. He couldn’t play Anderson.

4 years later when he returned to England, he scored 500+ runs and Anderson couldn’t get him out.

This is what happens when you are self-aware and also talented enough to execute it in match situations.
Babar Just looks like dumb individual no doubt he might be good batsmen the way he talks doesn’t inspire confidence that he is smart.
they all are just delusional and expect miracles. instead of working on their weakness.
or they just lack basic intelligence to begin with.
 
Nobody can teach you game awareness - don’t think this has anything to do with education. Even the Indian cricketers aren’t college educated or come from rural areas (tbf they all start young though)

But yes, I do generally feel that Pak cricketers have a lack of intelligence- they can’t read pitches, wrong bowling changes, absurd field placements - sorry for being blunt, but they just seem dumb.
Spot on They are so dumb its actually very frustrating to see if we lose no problem u lose some but seeing mistakes that 12 year olds can spot and these cricketers after playing for so long can’t seem to spot.
 
Shami, Siraj are not educated while Ashwin is an engineer. But all three are performers. Kohli too is not a graduate. The Pakistani team of 90s too had most of the players from humble background with less education but were match winners. Education and cricket are not related. You need to be street smart like Javed Miandad, talented like Saeed Anwar etc thats what matters.
 
Shami, Siraj are not educated while Ashwin is an engineer. But all three are performers. Kohli too is not a graduate. The Pakistani team of 90s too had most of the players from humble background with less education but were match winners. Education and cricket are not related. You need to be street smart like Javed Miandad, talented like Saeed Anwar etc thats what matters.
U can argue on that
But basic intelligence is what most pakistani cricketers lack. u can see that in Ground and off the ground
 
U can argue on that
But basic intelligence is what most pakistani cricketers lack. u can see that in Ground and off the ground
Yes thats why I gave example of javed Miandad who was such a street smart cricketer. He was neither educated nor the most talented but he was intelligent and had a never say die attitude which these cricketers lack.
 
Things that have hurt Pakistan cricket and will ensure that nothing changes in the future if these things aren’t addressed.

In no particular and no apologies to anyone who is offended:

1) Religiosity

2) Senior/junior culture

3) The delusion that Pakistan has a lot of talent

4) The delusion that we are a nation of fast bowlers

5) The illusion that the whole world is out to get us and India is conspiring against us

6) Playing against weak times all the time outside tournaments

7) The belief that Pakistan is unpredictable and can envoke Cornered Tigers mentality

8) Obsession with PSL and the laughable delusion that PSL is better than IPL or PSL bowling is better than IPL bowling

9) Allowing players to play in other leagues around the world. They should only play PSL

10) Captain should have zero say in team selection. He should not even be consulted by the selectors. We are an unprofessional nation by nature and yaari dosti gets in the way of everything.

No matter who is the captain he will keep playing his friends. If happens everywhere but in Pakistan it happens at a very extremely level.
 
Shami, Siraj are not educated while Ashwin is an engineer. But all three are performers. Kohli too is not a graduate. The Pakistani team of 90s too had most of the players from humble background with less education but were match winners. Education and cricket are not related. You need to be street smart like Javed Miandad, talented like Saeed Anwar etc thats what matters.
It's not being educated as per say but culture of respect for education. In depth analysis and structures training needs respect for programs.
You can't have a culture that's entirely dependent on rebellious attitude and "God gifted talent".
When you are out to diss the educated as elite class, same sentiment seeps into sports as well.

One cannot compare cricket from 70s and 80s.. crikey has matured quite a bit. Have a look at where the "gifted" west indies stand in today's cricket.
 
Things that have hurt Pakistan cricket and will ensure that nothing changes in the future if these things aren’t addressed.

In no particular and no apologies to anyone who is offended:

1) Religiosity

2) Senior/junior culture

3) The delusion that Pakistan has a lot of talent

4) The delusion that we are a nation of fast bowlers

5) The illusion that the whole world is out to get us and India is conspiring against us

6) Playing against weak times all the time outside tournaments

7) The belief that Pakistan is unpredictable and can envoke Cornered Tigers mentality

8) Obsession with PSL and the laughable delusion that PSL is better than IPL or PSL bowling is better than IPL bowling

9) Allowing players to play in other leagues around the world. They should only play PSL

10) Captain should have zero say in team selection. He should not even be consulted by the selectors. We are an unprofessional nation by nature and yaari dosti gets in the way of everything.

No matter who is the captain he will keep playing his friends. If happens everywhere but in Pakistan it happens at a very extremely level.
Agree with all but confused about 8, what's wrong with playing framchise all across the world?
 
It's a real problem along with many others.

For decades Pakistan generally produced cricketers from the urban middle-class with university/college backgrounds. They were urbane, self-confident and readily mixing with people from other cultures. It's not the sole reason, but not coincidental to our golden era from the mid 70s to early 90s.

From the early 90s, our cricketers have primarily from small towns and villages and reflect the wider Pakistani trend of ever-increasing religiosity. I've nothing against small towns and villages. However these guys are more conservative, more readily accepting of superstition and mythology over process and planning, socially awkward, and lack critical thinking skills.

True we had periodic success well into the 2000s whilst cricket remained a sport where natural talent was sufficient to get results. But now in the CricViz era where every team's strengths and weaknesses are studied to the nth degree - that's no longer enough.

Cricket has become a very technical and analytical game whereby individuals, especially in fast paced white-ball formats, must process information and quickly respond to changing conditions. Education teaches this.

No you don't need a PHD or even a university education. There's always anomalies and this isn't arguing for 11 Shan Masoods. Ability remains a prerequisite. But to maximise that ability, some basic education helps, and for a captain it's necessary. There was interview Ravichandran Ashwin did after the 2020-21 Australia tour about how he worked over Steve Smith.

I can guarantee you not a single current Pakistani player could ever analyse the game in the depth of that interview.
 
Agree with all but confused about 8, what's wrong with playing framchise all across the world?

So your lewd players don’t burn themselves out or get injured.

Top centrally contracted players should not be allowed to play foreign league with exception of county cricket, where they can improve their skills & test themselves in foreign conditions. Absolutely no circus T20 leagues should be allowed under no circumstances.
 
So your lewd players don’t burn themselves out or get injured.

Top centrally contracted players should not be allowed to play foreign league with exception of county cricket, where they can improve their skills & test themselves in foreign conditions. Absolutely no circus T20 leagues should be allowed under no circumstances.

Lead players”
 
Of course

Education helps you think and use your mind. Often in the CIE exams, you are required to use your brain to come up with the answer instead of writing what you have crammed.

Baber's captaincy plan is like how a student would cram information and than write it as it is.

Our players study till 6th or 7th, many dont even do matric (10th grade), and only a very few have done 12
 
Pacers need better workload management. They are chasing money all over the world and playing in leagues where you will find very few active cricketers.

PCB needs to control this before it gets out of hand.
Fair
 
Now compare this Ashwin interview to an interview in 2011 with Waqar when he was coach.

We’ve never given importance to coaching. We were never analytical or scientific. That guy is there [he points to the video analysis man on the dressing-room balcony], yeah sure he’s there. And he’s sitting there, and it’s kind of a highlights package and you can sit and analyse moments. But actually in the ’90s we never did analyse anyone: ‘he plays well here, don’t put it there.’ It’s not how long do you bowl at him there, what kind of field, what lengths, what is the B plan, the C plan, after that if it goes wrong, what happens? We had one plan. Go out there, get a wicket. We had resources. We sensed it and said, OK, bring Waqar back. Not even the captain [decided]. Sometimes I would go to the captain, give me two overs, let me do it. It was a kind of teamwork within the team but not like we’ll have a plan from before.

I'm not criticising Waqar. He's a legend of PAK cricket and just a product of his environment.

But that quote sums it up, and our current crop are little different.
 
Of course

Education helps you think and use your mind. Often in the CIE exams, you are required to use your brain to come up with the answer instead of writing what you have crammed.

Baber's captaincy plan is like how a student would cram information and than write it as it is.

Our players study till 6th or 7th, many dont even do matric (10th grade), and only a very few have done 12
Bro cie is the worst example you can give 😂😂. same with Australia atar nonsense.

all courses like business, Economics are useless in colleges and cie with its 100% examination based system is useless. People who take marketing or sociology in universities often believe uni is a scam because everything is exam based and none of it is practical. Cie doesn't make you use your mind, nor do certain colledge courses. My cousin who lives in Pakistan top scored in her Cie's but she didn't get anywhere.

The best courses in uni are things like design, Architecture, Animation, Game design, App development, Medicine etc cause all these courses are practical and hands on. You learn by doing something and practising doing something. If you wanna be a mechanical engineer you will learn by actually using tools like screw driver, hammers and machinery to build stuff. Not by reading books and passing papers.

Same applies in cricket. Best way to learn isn't to read nonsense books, we saw how educated people have captained Pakistan in the past like misbah lol, and how uneducated people like sarfi captained and led well in ct 2017.

Best way to improve in batting is not through doing exams or reading books, it's to practise, play, get out of your comfort zone, develop shots and see what works for you something most of our players like imam or rizzu don't do and play the same shot over amd over and have the same weakness over and over.

Same way best way to improve captaincy is not by studying books and papers. It's by actually identifying what works and what doesn't. Something babar doesn't do, and something alot of captains did, Dhoni wasn't the most educated, he failed in exams in class, he would ditch to play cricket. He's a good captain cause he identified what worked and what didn't and improved upon it, and you don't need cie's or proper education A,B,C education for that.

Practicality and practise in life gets you to succeed. It's why many colledge majors when they get frustrated and ask me why their colledge experience sucks, I tell them, this is what happens when you choose some nonsense like Japanese history over a proper course like medicine, electrical engineering, Graphic designing or heck even art illustration etc.
 
Education is not just about degrees. Any monkey can gain a degree.

For example, people management. This cannot be taught, but a basic level of reading and understanding coupled with the right personality can transpire into world class leadership. Sir Alex Ferguson is one example that springs to mind. The other of course are Imran Khan/Border/Waugh.

People management is also dependent on one's personality. being lovely dovely is super detrimental, again, the likes of SAF, Khan, Border, Waugh show that leadership is not just about delegation, but more important a certain personality. For those of you who have not read up on it, read up on the flight to NZ in 1992 for the WC SF final, and how IK asked Inzi for a chat, and how it affected Inzi's performance in both the SD and the Final! It is a management masterclass!

Babar is too LD, you do not perform under his leadership and the worse you will get is a tap on the back and words along the lines of "Do not worry" etc. If IK/Border/Waugh was captain and Pakistan lost vs Afghanistan, I can promise you players would be bricking it when entering the dressing room.

Education teaches you knowledge, intelligence is the application of knowledge, which cannot be taught.

So it is not the lack of education that is harming Pakistan cricket, it is also the lack of personalities.
 
Pacers need better workload management. They are chasing money all over the world and playing in leagues where you will find very few active cricketers.

PCB needs to control this before it gets out of hand.

That's because they don't have access to the big money which is IPL. You can't really blame them for that. Your previous post re education and lack of intelligence I agree with.
 
Noticed this several times during this WC - both your captain and bowlers have no grasp of setting the field. The captain sets the field one way, but the bowler bowls in another direction. With the opposite team requiring 100 from 100 balls, there is no attacking field -no slip, no close in fielder. Nor is there an attacking field when new batsman has come in and match is delicately poised. The bowling changes are equally senseless - you bring a spinner in when a pace bowler is reverse swinging. Why?

Neither the bowlers are improvising according to the match situation. They take a hit and all their plans fall apart. This is just sheer dumbness and ineptness which theoretical education cannot teach you.

And then I caught up on some of the post match shows and listened to Imad Wasim’s analysis and then I felt- are good cricketing minds deliberately being kept out of the team so that others are not made to feel inadequate?

I am an Indian but still felt so frustrated seeing yesterday’s play and the captain’s ineptness, so can only imagine what you guys must be feeling while watching the match.
 
That's because they don't have access to the big money which is IPL. You can't really blame them for that. Your previous post re education and lack of intelligence I agree with.
Few Aussies and English don’t play in IPL either , the board compensates them for that and the players also understand their limitations.

BCCI compensates few Indian bowlers when they miss IPL for recovery as well.
While we are still long way from being as good as Aus in taking care if our bowlers there is a plan.

PCB needs to make sure they are compensated enough from PSL and central contracts. Shoaib Malik yesterday was saying how players negotiated their contracts with much more incentives this time around where they get % from ICC sponsorship of advertisements (along those lines).
This current team actually is the best paid historically among Pakistani teams.
 
Pacers need better workload management. They are chasing money all over the world and playing in leagues where you will find very few active cricketers.

PCB needs to control this before it gets out of hand.
You mean how BCCI controls Indian player. Indian Player can't play anywhere outside IPL.

Edit : Never mind you already mentioned in point no 9.
 
Few Aussies and English don’t play in IPL either , the board compensates them for that and the players also understand their limitations.

BCCI compensates few Indian bowlers when they miss IPL for recovery as well.
While we are still long way from being as good as Aus in taking care if our bowlers there is a plan.

PCB needs to make sure they are compensated enough from PSL and central contracts. Shoaib Malik yesterday was saying how players negotiated their contracts with much more incentives this time around where they get % from ICC sponsorship of advertisements (along those lines).
This current team actually is the best paid historically among Pakistani teams.

Pakistan cricket doesn't generate as much money as Aussies or England, there are reasons for that as well, they don't get to play in the more lucrative games for political reasons so not sure the comparison holds. From what you say, it seems that the PCB have found ways to give incentives so seems like they are looking for solutions.

I think the statement in the OP was frustration that homegrown coaches are considered inferior. But that is usually because they are, they just aren't exposed to high level coaching because the first class game in Pakistan is still street level.
 
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