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In your view, has the SC verdict proven Imran Khan to be Sadiq and Ameen?

Has the SC verdict proven Imran Khan to be Sadiq and Ameen?


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Are you now convinced that he is the most trustworthy person in Pakistan? or do doubts remain? if so what are those doubts?

Lets not compare him with anyone - this is solely about Imran Khan.
 
Thank You PMLN for getting the certificate for IK from Supreme Court of Pakistan!

Now let's try this formula on 300+ MNAs, 100 Senators and 1000+ MPs ;)

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I think each and every elected rep needs to produce their financial history. Lets see how many survive.
 
Although SC decision wasn't required to prove Imran Khan honest but he now has official stamp of HONEST politician. He had to provide financial records of his personal property and he bought it without being in power.

If entire parliament goes through similar scrutiny then hardly 10% will survive.
 
Although SC decision wasn't required to prove Imran Khan honest but he now has official stamp of HONEST politician. He had to provide financial records of his personal property and he bought it without being in power.

If entire parliament goes through similar scrutiny then hardly 10% will survive.

I think you are being ambitious with 10%, more like to be 2/3 %.
 
How can any politician make a claim to be more honest than Imran after this judgement?
 
so after Reham's book, is the guy still a Sadiq and Ameen?
 
so after Reham's book, is the guy still a Sadiq and Ameen?

Not sure about Sadiq and Ameen but the fact that he didn’t retaliate or make any deragotary comments against her reflects well on his character.
 
Is it even possible to offer a concrete definition of what Sadiq and Ameen mean? Are these words defined anywhere in Pakistani constitution or in Pakistani law?
 
Imran Khan is not Sadiq and Ameen due to the following reasons:

(1) He has been running from his embezzlement case for four years now. The case is still pending, yet Imran Khan has not been able to clear his name so far. He has been accused by Akbar S Babar, one of the founding members of PTI.

(2) He has understated his assets to the ECP.

(3) His chief financier, Jahangir Tareen, is a fraud and a crook. A renowned inside trader, he has been declared dishonest by the Supreme Court and was thus disqualified. Imran has no problem being financed by a crook, which makes Imran corrupt.

(4) He ran from a U.S. court who asked for his blood sample in the Sita White case. He has disowned his daughter to protect his political career.

These are not the actions of a Sadiq & Ameen person. If he wasn't a military bootlicker, he would have been disqualified based on Article 62-63 by now.
 
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He is Sadiq and Ameen in regards to financial matters and that is all I care about
 
Imran Khan is not Sadiq and Ameen due to the following reasons:

(1) He has been running from his embezzlement case for four years now. The case is still pending, yet Imran Khan has not been able to clear his name so far. He has been accused by Akbar S Babar, one of the founding members of PTI.

(2) He has understated his assets to the ECP.

(3) His chief financier, Jahangir Tareen, is a fraud and a crook. A renowned inside trader, he has been declared dishonest by the Supreme Court and was thus disqualified. Imran has no problem being financed by a crook, which makes Imran corrupt.

(4) He ran from a U.S. court who asked for his blood sample in the Sita White case. He has disowned his daughter to protect his political career.

These are not the actions of a Sadiq & Ameen person. If he wasn't a military bootlicker, he would have been disqualified based on Article 62-63 by now.

Do you have any proof for number 4?
 
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Imran Khan is not Sadiq and Ameen due to the following reasons:

(1) He has been running from his embezzlement case for four years now. The case is still pending, yet Imran Khan has not been able to clear his name so far. He has been accused by Akbar S Babar, one of the founding members of PTI.

(2) He has understated his assets to the ECP.

(3) His chief financier, Jahangir Tareen, is a fraud and a crook. A renowned inside trader, he has been declared dishonest by the Supreme Court and was thus disqualified. Imran has no problem being financed by a crook, which makes Imran corrupt.

(4) He ran from a U.S. court who asked for his blood sample in the Sita White case. He has disowned his daughter to protect his political career.

These are not the actions of a Sadiq & Ameen person. If he wasn't a military bootlicker, he would have been disqualified based on Article 62-63 by now.

He is declared Sadiq and Ameen by Supreme Court and is set to be PM of Pakistan. While the people you worship are crying in jail because the insects are infesting their jail cells. I recommend you keep crying it is thoroughly enjoyable for the rest of us.
 
He is declared Sadiq and Ameen by Supreme Court and is set to be PM of Pakistan. While the people you worship are crying in jail because the insects are infesting their jail cells. I recommend you keep crying it is thoroughly enjoyable for the rest of us.

The Supreme Court is in the palm of the military establishment. Its verdict doesn't mean anything to supporters of democracy.
 
The Supreme Court is in the palm of the military establishment. Its verdict doesn't mean anything to supporters of democracy.

Yes supporters of democracy who believe in monarchy by accepting Maryam Nawaz as their leader just because she belongs to Sharif khandaan.
 
If you are going to call him out on having an illegitimate daughter, you should do the same with Maryam Nawaz’s Mehr-Un-Nisa.

She was born 4/5 months after the marriage and it's well documented too
 
No one is Sadiq and Ameen.

Stupid law to the say the least.

He isn't corrupt and he has a vision, invest on people instead of cosmetic investment to fool the naive population, and that is why he gets my vote.

Sadiq and ameen is defined by individual perception. He probably has a daughter whom he does not want to claim. Okay!, so?
 
Yes supporters of democracy who believe in monarchy by accepting Maryam Nawaz as their leader just because she belongs to Sharif khandaan.

No, I support her because she has shown a lot of guts by coming back to Pakistan and allowing herself to be arrested, unlike a certain "commando" who is still hiding in Dubai.

She is playing her cards perfectly and can be the next Benazir. I back her to become the PM one day. Her potential is far greater than anyone else in the Sharif clan.
 
She was born 4/5 months after the marriage and it's well documented too
Only in exceptionally rare cases is a child born during the fourth month of a pregnancy.

My Fluke-O-Meter is going off upon discovering this fact.
 
Maryam's elder daughter may be born out of wedlock, but her father is the same man that she eventually married. It is nothing to be proud of, but it is still better than having a one night stand and disowning your daughter to protect your political career.
 
Maryam's elder daughter may be born out of wedlock, but her father is the same man that she eventually married. It is nothing to be proud of, but it is still better than having a one night stand and disowning your daughter to protect your political career.

Maybe he wants to protect her against the negative attention and media hounds who would want to milk the story until the cows come home?

Maryam Nawaz was heir to a political dynasty and had to be protected as a “pious” women in a country where on your documentation papers there is virgin” as a status.

Imran Khan may have a daughter out of wedlock but he chose to keep it discreet well before he launched his political career. Not to mention, there being photos of the two together online that show he has not abandoned her.
 
Maryam's elder daughter may be born out of wedlock, but her father is the same man that she eventually married. It is nothing to be proud of, but it is still better than having a one night stand and disowning your daughter to protect your political career.

no matter how you spin it to show IK as an evil and Maryam as an Angel but an illegitimate daughter is an illegitimate daughter in our society be it one night stand or more.
 
If we are talking about illegitimate children and political leaders...

At least five U.S. Presidents come to
mind.
 
Imran Khan is not Sadiq and Ameen due to the following reasons:

(1) He has been running from his embezzlement case for four years now. The case is still pending, yet Imran Khan has not been able to clear his name so far. He has been accused by Akbar S Babar, one of the founding members of PTI.

(2) He has understated his assets to the ECP.

(3) His chief financier, Jahangir Tareen, is a fraud and a crook. A renowned inside trader, he has been declared dishonest by the Supreme Court and was thus disqualified. Imran has no problem being financed by a crook, which makes Imran corrupt.

(4) He ran from a U.S. court who asked for his blood sample in the Sita White case. He has disowned his daughter to protect his political career.

These are not the actions of a Sadiq & Ameen person. If he wasn't a military bootlicker, he would have been disqualified based on Article 62-63 by now.

"Sadiq and Ameen" is basically a legacy of Zia ul Haq (you know, "the Establishment), like the Sharif's, and in fact the PML-N vehemently opposed Justice Khosa's virtual/timid suggestion of few years ago to amend articles 62/63 based on the subjectivity of the terms used, before themselves providing to the nation the first PM disqualified on such grounds.

1) "wait for the decision", to quote the erstwhile/old-school Nooras.

2) Provide source(s)/details of your claims.

3)
After his disqualification, Nawaz started a campaign bent on maligning the judiciary and pitting the public against it, arguing that since the public had elected him, only they had a right to hold him accountable. This is, undoubtedly, a faulty argument, because if the public began meting out justice, Nawaz and his partners in crime would probably not be lucky enough to get a trial. Courts exist for a purpose, and not accepting their verdict means he wants a stay-out-of-jail free card, so he can continue to loot the country and hang it out to dry.

Even though Tareen was disqualified for misdemeanour, and not actual corruption like the godfather was, he set a new example by not only stepping down voluntarily but also refusing to challenge the decision. However, instead of giving him due credit for it, he was severely criticised and mocked with jokes, not only by his political rivals but by paid trolls, pseudo intellectuals and the biased journalists working for Nawaz. The same people would be calling him out for his hypocrisy had he started whining, “mujhe kyun nikala” after the decision.

Imran and Tareen proved true to their word by bringing an actual “tabdeeli” (change) into the rigid, corrupt political landscape by respecting the court’s decision, but in this country, that is still not enough. Imran was then vilified for not supporting the decision, but what else would construe as supporting the decision? Tareen resigned, while Imran accepted the decision without resisting it. He is, after all, allowed to be disappointed after losing a party member who has been with him for a very long time.

As far as Imran’s use of Tareen’s airplane is considered, what is wrong with that? Even the American presidential candidates have relied on party donors during their presidential campaigns and used their resources freely. Moreover, Imran’s reliance on actual donors for party expenses and air travel speaks volumes regarding his integrity as a leader. He could have afforded his own jets and cars, had he followed along the lines of the corrupt Nawaz and Asif Ali Zardari. Would the public of this country prefer that he, too, rob the nation for his personal expenses?

https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/...-and-an-evident-choice-for-the-2018-election/

4) As Imran Khan has said it's a point which shouldn't even be brought in political debate/electoral campaign. You don't see Khan attack the Sharif's on such issues. He could have capitalized on Ayesha Ahad, when she herself was looking for it. Imran Khan is still a human being - you'll not hear Asad Umar wanting to do hajj for him for instance -, and has himself admitted that he led an hectic lifestyle in his blossoming years, and I doubt many politicians were exposed to the same amount of fame/stardom as him, thus also the more exposure to such acts, condemnable as they are.

Anyway, Imran Khan didn't come up with the "Sadiq and Ameen" stuff, but the SC did term him that way, while Nawaz Sharif is languishing in jail. Perhaps you should have been one of the judges sitting on the bench, otherwise Justice Mian Saqib Nisar said that they analyzed "all evidences" to give such judgment.

He is Sadiq and Ameen in regards to financial matters and that is all I care about

Basically yes. Let me quote you a great philosopher named [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :

There is a hint of desperation in your statement now. Imran is many things, but he wasn't, isn't and never will be financially corrupt.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Bani-Gala-to-Imran-Khan&p=9265678#post9265678
 
"Sadiq and Ameen" is basically a legacy of Zia ul Haq (you know, "the Establishment), like the Sharif's, and in fact the PML-N vehemently opposed Justice Khosa's virtual/timid suggestion of few years ago to amend articles 62/63 based on the subjectivity of the terms used, before themselves providing to the nation the first PM disqualified on such grounds.

1) "wait for the decision", to quote the erstwhile/old-school Nooras.

2) Provide source(s)/details of your claims.

3)

https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/...-and-an-evident-choice-for-the-2018-election/

4) As Imran Khan has said it's a point which shouldn't even be brought in political debate/electoral campaign. You don't see Khan attack the Sharif's on such issues. He could have capitalized on Ayesha Ahad, when she herself was looking for it. Imran Khan is still a human being - you'll not hear Asad Umar wanting to do hajj for him for instance -, and has himself admitted that he led an hectic lifestyle in his blossoming years, and I doubt many politicians were exposed to the same amount of fame/stardom as him, thus also the more exposure to such acts, condemnable as they are.

Anyway, Imran Khan didn't come up with the "Sadiq and Ameen" stuff, but the SC did term him that way, while Nawaz Sharif is languishing in jail. Perhaps you should have been one of the judges sitting on the bench, otherwise Justice Mian Saqib Nisar said that they analyzed "all evidences" to give such judgment.



Basically yes. Let me quote you a great philosopher named [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Bani-Gala-to-Imran-Khan&p=9265678#post9265678

I have started to ignore [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] essays. Ever since the saplings issue his arguments are poorly constructed rubbish in a desperate attempt to get some credibility back. The more he has tried, the more he has been shown up. For example yesterday he gave us another gem about Maryam being his leader, forgetting why she's in prison
 
@ enkidu_

I had to revise my statement regarding Imran due to two reasons:

(1) the foreign funding case that he continues to run from and (2) he is happy to be financed by a crook who has been declared "dishonest" by the Supreme Court.

Hence, Imran is not financially clean unless he clears his name in the embezzlement case and returns all the money and assets provided by the fraud Jahangir Tareen.
 
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