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India’s secret war : How Kulbushan Jadhav led India's covert war in Pakistan [Frontline India]
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Pravin Swamy is a known ISI stooge in India!
Every country has their spies in neighboring countries. Why is this even a big news?
Soviets and US spied each other for decades. Chinese spies operate in India providing intelligence information to Chinese.
See the list of Chinese Spy cases in US alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_spy_cases_in_the_United_States
Soviets and US spied each other for decades. Chinese spies operate in India providing intelligence information to Chinese.
See the list of Chinese Spy cases in US alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_spy_cases_in_the_United_States
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No one is surprised. only Modians are surprised that they have spy in pakistan and killing innocent peoples thre.
so dont be surprised when he will gt his execution.
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He led a covert war.
Indians are in denial regarding this, they believe India does not support, finance, encourage and plan terrorist acts within Pakistan but everyone else knows they do. Since his capture, im sure many plans have been thwarted and many innocent lives saved.
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What's more eye opening and concerning regarding the Indian spy agencies is while the reel life Tiger is handsome and dating beautiful Pakistani woman the one in the real life looks so timid and the type of guy even eunuchs make fun of at the bus stops.
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It's not surprising at all, infact it would be more surprising if Pakistan/India didn't have spies in each other's countries.
However, this is departure from the Indian government stance which claims that Yadav is a just a businessman who was probably on lion safari in Baluchistan, and this stance is vehemently defended by your joshila type countrymen
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Remember, Kulbhushan Jadav has confessed his role in terrorist activities in Pakistan. Those saying it is normal for one country to have spies in another should realize that sending critical intelligence is one thing, participating in killing innocents is another.
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At least they owning up to something. That sure counts as progress.
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From the article:
Late in 2001, the Navy set up nine naval detachments to monitor the Gujarat and Maharashtra coasts, anticipating the nascent threat to coastal cities from jehadist groups. Intelligence had begun to arrive around that time that the Lashkar was training operatives in marine skills at the Mangla Dam’s reservoir in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. The implications were obvious and the Navy was deeply concerned.
Either way, the sources said, Jadhav sought to expand his role after 26/11, even drawing up plans to use the Kaminda to stage a reprisal attack on Karachi, should a similar terrorist strike take place again.
In both New Delhi and Islamabad, there are rumours the two capitals are working on just such a deal—possibly involving former ISI officer Lieutenant Colonel Mohammad Zahir Habib, alleged to have been kidnapped by India—or a wider deal, which could see the release of multiple espionage convicts.
Also from the article we get to see why India's leaders are and will be its biggest hurdles,unlike Pak where Army takes the decision,in India on atleast 3 major occasions from Moraji Desai ,Gujaral,Narsimha Rao we have killed the operations of our own agencies remarkable.
Late in 2001, the Navy set up nine naval detachments to monitor the Gujarat and Maharashtra coasts, anticipating the nascent threat to coastal cities from jehadist groups. Intelligence had begun to arrive around that time that the Lashkar was training operatives in marine skills at the Mangla Dam’s reservoir in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. The implications were obvious and the Navy was deeply concerned.
Either way, the sources said, Jadhav sought to expand his role after 26/11, even drawing up plans to use the Kaminda to stage a reprisal attack on Karachi, should a similar terrorist strike take place again.
In both New Delhi and Islamabad, there are rumours the two capitals are working on just such a deal—possibly involving former ISI officer Lieutenant Colonel Mohammad Zahir Habib, alleged to have been kidnapped by India—or a wider deal, which could see the release of multiple espionage convicts.
Also from the article we get to see why India's leaders are and will be its biggest hurdles,unlike Pak where Army takes the decision,in India on atleast 3 major occasions from Moraji Desai ,Gujaral,Narsimha Rao we have killed the operations of our own agencies remarkable.
Kulbhushan Jadhav case: Pakistan files counter-memorial in ICJ
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Tuesday submitted its second counter-memorial to India’s arguments on the conviction of RAW agent Kulbhushan Jadhav before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague.
Sources told The Express Tribune that Pakistan rebutted Indian’s allegations that Kulbhushan’s wife and mother were ‘mistreated’ when they visited to meet him last year.
Pakistan also raised the jurisdiction issue of the ICJ that India had no case to plead because it never denied that Jadhav was travelling on a passport on a cover or the assumed Muslim name ‘Mubarak Patel’, the sources added.
Moreover, some international legal experts’ opinions have also been referred to in the counter pleadings to justify that effective review of the decisions of military courts is potentially available before high courts of Pakistan. The reply has been submitted by Director India at the Foreign Office Dr Fareha Bugti along with Khawar Qureshi, QC, the agent representing Pakistan at the ICJ.
The ICJ, a world court that sits at the Peace Palace in The Hague, is seized with an Indian complaint on the conviction of the Indian spy.
Commander Jadhav was captured in Balochistan in March 2016 and he later confessed to his association with Indian intelligence agency — Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) — and his involvement in espionage and fomenting terrorism in Pakistan.
In early 2017, the Field General Court Martial sentenced Jadhav to death, which was confirmed by Chief of the Army Staff Gen Qamar Bajwa on April 10 this year.
On January 23, the ICJ gave a timeline to both Pakistan and India to file another round of memorials in the case.
Qureshi had briefed Prime Minister Nasirul Mulk two weeks ago about the developments in the case. Attorney General for Pakistan Khalid Javed Khan and other senior officials also attended the meeting.
On April 17, India submitted a second memorial before the ICJ. It is learnt that Khawar Qureshi has drafted the counter-memorial.
After the submission of the second memorial, the ICJ will fix the matter for the hearing which is likely to take place next year.
A senior lawyer, who has expertise in international litigations, believes that there is no chance of hearing the case this year.
Even the hearing of other matters has already been fixed until March or April next year, therefore, Kulbhushan Jadhav’s case will be listed next summer, he added.
Meanwhile, in an interview with an international newspaper published on July 16, Qureshi had given details of the written submissions in the case.
He stated that the ICJ has also been asked to consider whether India has behaved illegally by providing Jadhav with an authentic Indian passport in the name of ‘Hussein Mubarak Patel’.
An eminent British expert has provided evidence that Jadhav used the passport at least 17 times to go to and from India.
He confirmed that the passport was issued by Indian authorities. The inference is that India gave Jadhav the false Muslim identity for improper purposes. India’s answer has been to say it does not need to answer this point.
“The passport issue has also been raised by respected Indian journalists Praveen Swami and Karan Thapar, recently. They have been accused of spreading ‘propaganda’ and, sadly, also have been called as ‘traitors’ for doing their job as professional journalists.
No real answer has been given on this point, as well as most of the other arguments.
Qureshi in his interview also submitted that respected military law experts in the UK have given evidence concerning Pakistan’s military court system, with reference to the military courts in the UK, US, India and other key jurisdictions.
They have confirmed that effective review of the decisions of Pakistan’s military courts is potentially available before high courts of Pakistan.
“I submitted on May 15, 2017 and repeat [it now], the ICJ has never ordered “acquittal or release” (as India “at least” seeks), and all its previous decisions indicate it would never do so.”
Likewise, Qureshi says that “India says Jadhav recently retired from the Indian navy (but not when or why), and suggests he was kidnapped from Iran and smuggled into Pakistan to extract a false confession.”
“India says the entire legal process against him in Pakistan was unfair and demands that the ICJ ‘at least’ orders his acquittal or release. India says Jadhav should have been given immediate consular access.
“Pakistan says Jadhav was a naval commander who was working for RAW when arrested. The ICJ has been asked to consider whether individuals suspected of espionage had in practice often been excluded from the right to consular access—an argument never raised or considered previously.
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“The ICJ has now exceptionally invited all states that signed the VCCR to respond to Pakistan’s argument on this point, which is based upon the material practice of the US, Soviet Union and China, including the famous Gary Powers-U2 case, as well as commentaries from experts in this field.”
He says, “In addition, Pakistan and India signed an express agreement on Consular Access in 2008 (at the suggestion of India), which clearly qualifies consular access in situations involving issues of security — consistent with the state practice I mentioned.
India submits reply to ICJ in Jadhav case
“I was told that some ‘expert’ commentators in the media had suggested I never referred to the 2008 Agreement during the May 15, 2017 hearing. If they had watched the live broadcast or read the transcript they would have seen I quoted it in full, and explained why it applied, so as to flag up Pakistan’s key arguments on the merits for the future. As the court made clear in paragraph 60 of its order, it was not considering the substantive arguments on May 15, 2017 in any event — it was solely concerned to preserve the status quo,” he adds.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1760559/1-kulbhushan-jadhav-case-pakistan-files-counter-memorial-icj/
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Tuesday submitted its second counter-memorial to India’s arguments on the conviction of RAW agent Kulbhushan Jadhav before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague.
Sources told The Express Tribune that Pakistan rebutted Indian’s allegations that Kulbhushan’s wife and mother were ‘mistreated’ when they visited to meet him last year.
Pakistan also raised the jurisdiction issue of the ICJ that India had no case to plead because it never denied that Jadhav was travelling on a passport on a cover or the assumed Muslim name ‘Mubarak Patel’, the sources added.
Moreover, some international legal experts’ opinions have also been referred to in the counter pleadings to justify that effective review of the decisions of military courts is potentially available before high courts of Pakistan. The reply has been submitted by Director India at the Foreign Office Dr Fareha Bugti along with Khawar Qureshi, QC, the agent representing Pakistan at the ICJ.
The ICJ, a world court that sits at the Peace Palace in The Hague, is seized with an Indian complaint on the conviction of the Indian spy.
Commander Jadhav was captured in Balochistan in March 2016 and he later confessed to his association with Indian intelligence agency — Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) — and his involvement in espionage and fomenting terrorism in Pakistan.
In early 2017, the Field General Court Martial sentenced Jadhav to death, which was confirmed by Chief of the Army Staff Gen Qamar Bajwa on April 10 this year.
On January 23, the ICJ gave a timeline to both Pakistan and India to file another round of memorials in the case.
Qureshi had briefed Prime Minister Nasirul Mulk two weeks ago about the developments in the case. Attorney General for Pakistan Khalid Javed Khan and other senior officials also attended the meeting.
On April 17, India submitted a second memorial before the ICJ. It is learnt that Khawar Qureshi has drafted the counter-memorial.
After the submission of the second memorial, the ICJ will fix the matter for the hearing which is likely to take place next year.
A senior lawyer, who has expertise in international litigations, believes that there is no chance of hearing the case this year.
Even the hearing of other matters has already been fixed until March or April next year, therefore, Kulbhushan Jadhav’s case will be listed next summer, he added.
Meanwhile, in an interview with an international newspaper published on July 16, Qureshi had given details of the written submissions in the case.
He stated that the ICJ has also been asked to consider whether India has behaved illegally by providing Jadhav with an authentic Indian passport in the name of ‘Hussein Mubarak Patel’.
An eminent British expert has provided evidence that Jadhav used the passport at least 17 times to go to and from India.
He confirmed that the passport was issued by Indian authorities. The inference is that India gave Jadhav the false Muslim identity for improper purposes. India’s answer has been to say it does not need to answer this point.
“The passport issue has also been raised by respected Indian journalists Praveen Swami and Karan Thapar, recently. They have been accused of spreading ‘propaganda’ and, sadly, also have been called as ‘traitors’ for doing their job as professional journalists.
No real answer has been given on this point, as well as most of the other arguments.
Qureshi in his interview also submitted that respected military law experts in the UK have given evidence concerning Pakistan’s military court system, with reference to the military courts in the UK, US, India and other key jurisdictions.
They have confirmed that effective review of the decisions of Pakistan’s military courts is potentially available before high courts of Pakistan.
“I submitted on May 15, 2017 and repeat [it now], the ICJ has never ordered “acquittal or release” (as India “at least” seeks), and all its previous decisions indicate it would never do so.”
Likewise, Qureshi says that “India says Jadhav recently retired from the Indian navy (but not when or why), and suggests he was kidnapped from Iran and smuggled into Pakistan to extract a false confession.”
“India says the entire legal process against him in Pakistan was unfair and demands that the ICJ ‘at least’ orders his acquittal or release. India says Jadhav should have been given immediate consular access.
“Pakistan says Jadhav was a naval commander who was working for RAW when arrested. The ICJ has been asked to consider whether individuals suspected of espionage had in practice often been excluded from the right to consular access—an argument never raised or considered previously.
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“The ICJ has now exceptionally invited all states that signed the VCCR to respond to Pakistan’s argument on this point, which is based upon the material practice of the US, Soviet Union and China, including the famous Gary Powers-U2 case, as well as commentaries from experts in this field.”
He says, “In addition, Pakistan and India signed an express agreement on Consular Access in 2008 (at the suggestion of India), which clearly qualifies consular access in situations involving issues of security — consistent with the state practice I mentioned.
India submits reply to ICJ in Jadhav case
“I was told that some ‘expert’ commentators in the media had suggested I never referred to the 2008 Agreement during the May 15, 2017 hearing. If they had watched the live broadcast or read the transcript they would have seen I quoted it in full, and explained why it applied, so as to flag up Pakistan’s key arguments on the merits for the future. As the court made clear in paragraph 60 of its order, it was not considering the substantive arguments on May 15, 2017 in any event — it was solely concerned to preserve the status quo,” he adds.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1760559/1-kulbhushan-jadhav-case-pakistan-files-counter-memorial-icj/
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Pakistan itself and the whole world knows what led to the curse of terrorism in Pakistan. You are not fooling anyone just because you caught a spy.
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Pak 'Scholar' Behind Kulbhushan Jadhav Kidnapping Shot Dead In Balochistan
A Pakistani "scholar" accused of helping Pakistan's ISI spy agency in kidnapping former Indian Navy officer Kulbhushan Jadhav from Iran, was shot dead by unidentified gunmen in the restive Balochistan region on Friday night. Mufti Shah Mir was a leading religious scholar in Balochistan who had survived two earlier attempts on his life, reported local media.
He was ambushed by gunmen riding motorcycles while leaving a local mosque in Turbat after his night prayers, police said. He was shot multiple times at point blank range and died at the hospital on Friday.
Mir was a member of the fundamentalist party Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) who worked as an arms and human trafficker under the cover of a scholar, according to The Times of India. He was also close to the ISI. Reports suggest that he often visited terror camps in Pakistan and helped terrorists infiltrate into the Indian territory.
Two other members of Mir's party were shot dead last week in Khuzdar, the third largest city in Balochistan.
The province has been witnessing deadly clashes and enforced disappearances of civilians, including activists, journalists, and politicians, allegedly by state forces. At least 18 securitymen and 23 terrorists were killed during clashes in this region earlier this year.
Jadhav, who ran a business in Iran's Chabahar after taking premature retirement from the Navy, is on death row in Pakistan after being convicted of spying by a military court in 2017. India condemned the verdict and accused Islamabad of not allowing a fair trial.
His execution was halted in 2019 with the International Court of Justice asking Pakistan to review his conviction and grant him consular access.
He was kidnapped from near the Iran-Pakistan border in 2016 and handed over to the Pakistani army. He is currently in the Pakistani prison. Mullah Omar Irani, a member of Jaish al-Adl who played a key role in kidnapping Jadhav, was allegedly shot dead by ISI operatives in Turbat in 2020.
In 2021, Pakistan adopted a bill to allow Mr Jadhav appeal his conviction, but India said the law had the same "shortcomings" of a previous legislation and "failed" to create an atmosphere that will ensure a fair trial in this case.
Link: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pak...v-kidnapping-shot-dead-in-balochistan-7881715
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Again with the kidnapped from Iran conspiracy theories. Indians have never been able to explain why Iran did not say a word about the supposed kidnapping, since the kidnapping would be a blatant infringement of its sovereignty? Indians had to quickly come up with a story (aka conspiracy theory) on why he was in Balochistan, landed on this kidnapping story without flushing all the details.
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Iran has more important things to do with their time than insert itself into other countries disputes.
It's by definition NOT 'other countries dispute' if one's own sovereignty is blatantly violated.
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Sensible nations do not speak openly about covert operations. There are no brownie points for risking intelligence operations be it in allied or enemy territories.
I have no idea how your post is relevant. Your post applies to the country carrying out the 'covert operation'. I am referring to to Iran on whose territory those supposed conspiracy happened on. US, Canada also recently mentioned about the things India is doing or wants to do on their soil. No country is OK with another country violating their sovereignty. But I am not surprised at these silly remarks, it's very typical.of Indians to play dumb in cases like these.
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catching this spy saved a lot of lives , he sang like a canary. What is his current status?
the current status is that the vermin that was involved in Jadhav's capture has been welcomed by no less than 72 hoors.
More like he's just part of the imagined conspiracy theory by India and had nothing to do with the 'kidnapping', nor was there any actual kidnapping.
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And Yadav will be reincarnated as a lesser species because he got caught . You really don't want to go there. Wanting a conflict with Pakistan hasn't got india any glory .
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Just some childish face saving propaganda, they should just forget this embarrassment
what is your take on 1965,1971,1999 ? I mean is Bangladesh still part of "Pakistan" in YOUR opinion ?
PS: I know a certain Bangladeshi poster who thinks/pretends that it still is ... lol
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