India [294/5] beat Australia [293/6] in the third ODI to take unassailable 3-0 series lead

[jnaveen1980]

India is trying to convert Pandya into a proper batsman. Hence he bats at no.4 quiet often these days.

 

[Pollack]

Pandya is just too good against spinner. .

 

[Justcrazy]

45 from 49 balls.

 

[bujhee kom]

Easy win for India.

 

[babajee]

King Kohli in a run chase

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Need to get rid of jadhav and this pandya experiment better not end up like Irfan Pathan

 

[jnaveen1980]

India is moulding another pressure chaser in Pandya.

 

[JaDed]

Why are Pandey and Pandya's position changed? Hardik is surprisingly getting much more out of him than I thought he would.

 

[CanadianG00se]

India now offically becomes # 1 in ODIs as well.

 

[Dingolfy]

Need to get rid of jadhav and this pandya experiment better not end up like Irfan Pathan

Irfan Pathan lost his swing as it used to happen with lot of our pacers during that time.I believe our fast bowling system is much better now and Pandya is a much better athlete than Irfan.
And man, this Jadhav guy gets on my nerves with his 90's era fielding and running between wickets.It is criminal to have such a poor athlete in our top 6 in limited overs when we have plenty of batsmen waiting.Hope he fails more and thrown out of the team.

 

[Dingolfy]

Manish Pandey is finally getting into the groove.Was excellent in the field too.And boy somebody here was saying tuk-tuk Babar Azam could replace him in Indian team!

 

[R0H1T]

Irfan Pathan lost his swing as it used to happen with lot of our pacers during that time.I believe our fast bowling system is much better now and Pandya is a much better athlete than Irfan.
And man, this Jadhav guy gets on my nerves with his 90's era fielding and running between wickets.It is criminal to have such a poor athlete in our top 6 in limited overs when we have plenty of batsmen waiting.Hope he fails more and thrown out of the team.

Irfan didn;t lose his swing, more like his pace, his last series in Aus 2012 shows that he was still good at least for ODI overseas. He lost some pace & more importantly favor, in Dhoni led side, for some reason he loved his Kumar's & Dinda's i.e. trundlers more than pace or swing bowlers.

 

[Pollack]

Manish Pandey is finally getting into the groove.Was excellent in the field too.And boy somebody here was saying tuk-tuk Babar Azam could replace him in Indian team!

Manish Pandey too is tuk tuk. Not saying Babar Azam can get into our team though. Manish is given chance because he performs in A tour. Honestly he has to raise his game if he has to make a place in the team permanently.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Irfan didn;t lose his swing, more like his pace, his last series in Aus 2012 shows that he was still good at least for ODI overseas. He lost some pace & more importantly favor, in Dhoni led side, for some reason he loved his Kumar's & Dinda's i.e. trundlers more than pace or swing bowlers.

Dhoni never had Bumrah, he was stuck with mediocre pace bowlers and time and time again it was them who were leading wicket takers in ranji. Their limitation was very high, and our spinners weren't great, we had Ashwin and Jadeja. Bhajji was losing his mojo. Virat has very aggressive bowlers pace and spin that matches his style of play.

 

[Dingolfy]

Manish Pandey too is tuk tuk. Not saying Babar Azam can get into our team though. Manish is given chance because he performs in A tour. Honestly he has to raise his game if he has to make a place in the team permanently.

He cant hit from ball one but once he gets set he can unleash his shots and also a brilliant runner between wickets.And he has scored a 100 against Australia in Australia while successfully chasing a 300 plus score which even Kohli couldnt do.we need to back him like we backed Rohit and Jadeja during their initial days.

 

[Proactive_]

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION], now please come and explain to me how the next two ODIs hold any consequence whatsoever other than being a breeding ground for experimental permutations. We could have been building towards the finals of a Ind-SL-Aus Tri Series instead with an added dynamic of Aus-SL rather than witnessing two one sided ODI series where 4 out of 10 games are basically redundant.

 

[Teshi98]

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION], now please come and explain to me how the next two ODIs hold any consequence whatsoever other than being a breeding ground for experimental permutations. We could have been building towards the finals of a Ind-SL-Aus Tri Series instead with an added dynamic of Aus-SL rather than witnessing two one sided ODI series where 4 out of 10 games are basically redundant.

No team wants to get whitewashed and every team wishes to clean sweep the series. The importance of the matches i agree is lesser than the case when series would have been alive but this can be the case in tri series too. When each team plays 4 matches against each other if 1 loses its first 5 or 6 then all matches upto final are similarly of no value. But this has less chances of happening and similarly in bilaterals chances of such series between evenly matched teams is less.
Also india have to win atleast 4-1 to keep no.1 position in odis and australia will try their best to win atleast one game in odi overseas after huge number of failures.

 

[squarecut]

Manish Pandey is the next big batsman (like Rohit Sharma). Make no mistake about it.

 

[sachin100]

Manish pandey is a hack. I am not convinced of his batting at all. He is too loose and trys horrible leg side slogs and pulls. He has no future

 

[sachin100]

We already have another hack jhadav who tries to slog from from first ball. Indian middle order now has 2 hacks who r a disgrace to indian batting standards

 

[ego-gambit]

Manish pandey is a hack. I am not convinced of his batting at all. He is too loose and trys horrible leg side slogs and pulls. He has no future

That way stevesmith is also unorthodox India should invest on Manish Pandey he played just 17 matches

 

[sachin100]

That way stevesmith is also unorthodox India should invest on Manish Pandey he played just 17 matches

He is no Steve Smith. Smith is unorthodox but plays orthodox shots and not ugly slogs and pulls

 

[Tusker]

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION], now please come and explain to me how the next two ODIs hold any consequence whatsoever other than being a breeding ground for experimental permutations. We could have been building towards the finals of a Ind-SL-Aus Tri Series instead with an added dynamic of Aus-SL rather than witnessing two one sided ODI series where 4 out of 10 games are basically redundant.

Because no captain worth his salt likes to see his team get mugged like that ... you think the Aussies will simply roll over and fold ? From the Indian perspective no captain would like to miss an opportunity to inflict a 5-0 whitewash on a Aussie team.

Maybe you missed the news but just 2-3 weeks ago the SL selectors resigned after India mauled SL 3-0 in the ODI series with 2 games still to go despite the win in CT against India. So much for bilaterals being meaningless ehh ?

Anyhow did I ever say that all bilaterals are better than Tri-Series ? I did not. You on the other hand like to pretend that all Tr-Series > Bilaterals. It is not that cut and dry. Why is that so hard to understand ?

As I have said before this discussion can only be resolved thru a realtime chat where it is easier to expose the false pretence but in lieu of that .... why don't you tell me how the dead Games against minnows and sometimes other teams in Multi-Nation tournaments have any more meaning ? Why don't you tell me how Tendulkar missed the great Kitply Cup despite having Pakistan playing in the series yet chose to play atleast a few games vs ENG in the next Bilateral ODI series that was 7 ODIs long ? Ditto against SL ? Why don't you tell me how Aus has the same rotation policy even in the VB and CB tri-Series ? Why don't you tell me how so many WC and CT have been wrecked by rain and politics thereby producing silly matchups like Ind vs Kenya S/F in 2003 WC and SA being ejected in 1992 instead of eventual winners ? . There are no clear answers. Not everything in this world is Black and White so that you can neatly bifurcate between good and bad using some filter on cricinfo.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Irfan Pathan lost his swing as it used to happen with lot of our pacers during that time.I believe our fast bowling system is much better now and Pandya is a much better athlete than Irfan.
And man, this Jadhav guy gets on my nerves with his 90's era fielding and running between wickets.It is criminal to have such a poor athlete in our top 6 in limited overs when we have plenty of batsmen waiting.Hope he fails more and thrown out of the team.

I'm talking about his promotion in the batting order. Reminds me of Chappell handling Irfan.

 

[Proactive_]

Because no captain worth his salt likes to see his team get mugged like that ... you think the Aussies will simply roll over and fold ? From the Indian perspective no captain would like to miss an opportunity to inflict a 5-0 whitewash on a Aussie team.

Maybe you missed the news but just 2-3 weeks ago the SL selectors resigned after India mauled SL 3-0 in the ODI series with 2 games still to go despite the win in CT against India. So much for bilaterals being meaningless ehh ?

Anyhow did I ever say that all bilaterals are better than Tri-Series ? I did not. You on the other hand like to pretend that all Tr-Series > Bilaterals. It is not that cut and dry. Why is that so hard to understand ?

As I have said before this discussion can only be resolved thru a realtime chat where it is easier to expose the false pretence but in lieu of that .... why don't you tell me how the dead Games against minnows and sometimes other teams in Multi-Nation tournaments have any more meaning ? Why don't you tell me how Tendulkar missed the great Kitply Cup despite having Pakistan playing in the series yet chose to play atleast a few games vs ENG in the next Bilateral ODI series that was 7 ODIs long ? Ditto against SL ? Why don't you tell me how Aus has the same rotation policy even in the VB and CB tri-Series ? Why don't you tell me how so many WC and CT have been wrecked by rain and politics thereby producing silly matchups like Ind vs Kenya S/F in 2003 WC and SA being ejected in 1992 instead of eventual winners ? . There are no clear answers. Not everything in this world is Black and White so that you can neatly bifurcate between good and bad using some filter on cricinfo.

I'm being consistent here. India, Aus and SL. What would you have preferred? The two bilateral series that have transpired or a Tri series with these three teams? The answer is obvious.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

lol why is this guy obsessed with tri series

who cares about tri series we played enough tri series in sarjah to last us a life time

 

[Tusker]

I'm being consistent here. India, Aus and SL. What would you have preferred? The two bilateral series that have transpired or a Tri series with these three teams? The answer is obvious.

If the answer is so obvious (and ofcourse your consistency) then you should get started on answering all those questions in my previous post. I would rather prefer a chance to wipe clean even the SL team in their backyard which nobody has ever managed or the Aussie teams.

BTW we have never whitewashed a Aussie team but have won plenty of Tri-Series against them ... think about that for a second.

 

[Proactive_]

Oh the irony of certain people talking about obsession

 

[jnaveen1980]

Manish pandey is a hack. I am not convinced of his batting at all. He is too loose and trys horrible leg side slogs and pulls. He has no future

He is a weird stroke maker. My problem with him is not that. But he is often out of position when he plays shots.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Manish pandey is a hack. I am not convinced of his batting at all. He is too loose and trys horrible leg side slogs and pulls. He has no future

He deserves a long run. M Pandey have the potential to succeed and be the backbone of lower Indian order

 

[sachin100]

He is a weird stroke maker. My problem with him is not that. But he is often out of position when he plays shots.

Thats why i called him a hack. He plays shots so out of position and balance it looks like he can get out any time.

The other guy jhadav is even worse. The second ball he faced after kohli fell in the same over he tried an almighty slog of a tailender which he is no position to play. In the four balls he would have been out 2 times.

 

[sachin100]

He deserves a long run. M Pandey have the potential to succeed and be the backbone of lower Indian order

He doesn't have the technique to survive and play risk free shots. Most of his shots are leg side slogs and pulls.

He plays high risk shots and doesn't have many shots to score in singles.

 

[sachin100]

Both pandey and jhadav doesn't even have the defense, nuance and style of hardik pandya.

He looks like a proper batsman and plays orthodox shots

 

[CanadianG00se]

He doesn't have the technique to survive and play risk free shots. Most of his shots are leg side slogs and pulls.

He plays high risk shots and doesn't have many shots to score in singles.

I think if a player is given confidence then its only matter of time before we see their full potential. We should refrain from dropping player(s) after just 2-3 failure. I think Pandey should be at least given end of South Africa series to give himself a fair chance. Kohli and Shastri should probably have a word with him that, you'll not be dropped for entire home season, so play freely and stressfree. Often, newcomers play under lot of stress and we often dont get to see their A game. If there is anyone who should be under the radar then its K Jadhav. He has virtually become undroppable after that one innings against England last year. Ideally both Pandey and KL Rahul should be part of Indian Odi team.

R SHARMA
S DHAWAN
V KOHLI
KL RAHUL
M PANDEY
H PANDYA
MS DHONI
B KUMAR
K YADAV
Y CHAHAL/ M SHAMI
J BUMRAH

12: R PANT

This team seriously have potential to be lethal team. We could also experiment with R Pant lower down the order. He is currently toying with NZ A team. I would seriously bring in R Pant in for K Jadhav.

 

[Sidilicious]

I think if a player is given confidence then its only matter of time before we see their full potential. We should refrain from dropping player(s) after just 2-3 failure. I think Pandey should be at least given end of South Africa series to give himself a fair chance. Kohli and Shastri should probably have a word with him that, you'll not be dropped for entire home season, so play freely and stressfree. Often, newcomers play under lot of stress and we often dont get to see their A game. If there is anyone who should be under the radar then its K Jadhav. He has virtually become undroppable after that one innings against England last year. Ideally both Pandey and KL Rahul should be part of Indian Odi team.

R SHARMA
S DHAWAN
V KOHLI
KL RAHUL
M PANDEY
H PANDYA
MS DHONI
B KUMAR
K YADAV
Y CHAHAL/ M SHAMI
J BUMRAH

12: R PANT

This team seriously have potential to be lethal team. We could also experiment with R Pant lower down the order. He is currently toying with NZ A team. I would seriously bring in R Pant in for K Jadhav.

Actually, I would go with Raina for now instead of Jadhav. He still has atleast a couple of years of international cricket left in him.

 

[sachin100]

I think if a player is given confidence then its only matter of time before we see their full potential. We should refrain from dropping player(s) after just 2-3 failure. I think Pandey should be at least given end of South Africa series to give himself a fair chance. Kohli and Shastri should probably have a word with him that, you'll not be dropped for entire home season, so play freely and stressfree. Often, newcomers play under lot of stress and we often dont get to see their A game. If there is anyone who should be under the radar then its K Jadhav. He has virtually become undroppable after that one innings against England last year. Ideally both Pandey and KL Rahul should be part of Indian Odi team.

R SHARMA
S DHAWAN
V KOHLI
KL RAHUL
M PANDEY
H PANDYA
MS DHONI
B KUMAR
K YADAV
Y CHAHAL/ M SHAMI
J BUMRAH

12: R PANT

This team seriously have potential to be lethal team. We could also experiment with R Pant lower down the order. He is currently toying with NZ A team. I would seriously bring in R Pant in for K Jadhav.

The problem for me is that his play never gives me any confidence that this guy will survive for long periods.

He will be given a long run but i am not convinced of his game to be honest.

Jhadav is even worse. He will be replaced surely. He is a liability

 

[sachin100]

Actually, I would go with Raina for now instead of Jadhav. He still has atleast a couple of years of international cricket left in him.

Absolutely. Raina is 1000 times better than that hack jhadav.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Actually, I would go with Raina for now instead of Jadhav. He still has atleast a couple of years of international cricket left in him.

Last i checked, Raina was struggling with form and fitness. Kohli is working hard to implement fitness culture in the team, so it wouldn't be wise to bend the rule for one player.

What would be ur ideal playing 11 for upcoming Nz series for Odis( considering A team performance as well)

 

[R0H1T]

G00se you forgot Iyer, another potential superstar!

 

[sachin100]

Last i checked, Raina was struggling with form and fitness. Kohli is working hard to implement fitness culture in the team, so it wouldn't be wise to bend the rule for one player.

What would be ur ideal playing 11 for upcoming Nz series for Odis( considering A team performance as well)

Raina is any day a better fielder and bowler than jhadav

 

[CanadianG00se]

G00se you forgot Iyer, another potential superstar!

No i didnt forgot him, it just right now we're in need of lower order batsman and Pant seem more suitable for that role. But Iyer is someone we can groom for #4 batsman if both Pandey/KL Rahul fails consistently.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Raina is any day a better fielder and bowler than jhadav

Again, being better than Jadhav doesn't automatically warrants the selection. We do not want to select a player who have fitness issues. Remember U Akmal incident? We should do everything to prevent such incident. If Raina loses wright and regains form, im im favour of him being included.

 

[Sidilicious]

Last i checked, Raina was struggling with form and fitness. Kohli is working hard to implement fitness culture in the team, so it wouldn't be wise to bend the rule for one player.

What would be ur ideal playing 11 for upcoming Nz series for Odis( considering A team performance as well)

Of course, he needs to sort out his fitness issues first. If all is fine with him, Raina is invaluable because
a) He is clutch
b) He is a great fielder
c) A better part time spinner option than both Jadhav and Rohit Sharma

My XI, if everyone is available would be

Rohit
Dhawan/Rahul
Kohli
Pandey
Raina
Dhoni
Pandya
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah
Kumar

I would also like them to try
Krunal Pandya (but I don't think he will part of 50 over plans soon. probably for T20I)
Rishabh Pant
Shami

I reckon they might also bring back Ashwin and Jadeja. They might be thinking of rotating spinners.

Definitely want Rahane and Jadhav away from the ODI team.

 

[Bilal7]

Kohli's averaging what, in the 30s this series?

 

[Sachin136]

Kohli's averaging what, in the 30s this series?

He is averaging 40, including a match winning 92 in the second ODI. If he was averaging 100, you would just attribute it to the flat pitches in India.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Of course, he needs to sort out his fitness issues first. If all is fine with him, Raina is invaluable because
a) He is clutch
b) He is a great fielder
c) A better part time spinner option than both Jadhav and Rohit Sharma

My XI, if everyone is available would be

Rohit
Dhawan/Rahul
Kohli
Pandey
Raina
Dhoni
Pandya
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah
Kumar

I would also like them to try
Krunal Pandya (but I don't think he will part of 50 over plans soon. probably for T20I)
Rishabh Pant
Shami

I reckon they might also bring back Ashwin and Jadeja. They might be thinking of rotating spinners.

Definitely want Rahane and Jadhav away from the ODI team.

I also agree that Raina is a clutch ODI player and played an crucial role for us winning the worldcup back in 2011. I really hope that Raina is taking his fitness issue seriously and try to get back in the team.

As for your team, its more or same id have as well. The real question though we should be asking is whats in plan for M Shami. I mean playing two wrist spinners on Indian soil seem to be working but it could also backfire when we tour away from home. Also the worldcup is happening in England, so should we still persist with two wrist spinners? Or do we bring in M Shami( our most succesful Odi bowler in recent times), and if we do then who do we drop? Both BK and Bumrah are must for death bowling. It just too much headache for Indian selectors eh

 

[sachin100]

I also agree that Raina is a clutch ODI player and played an crucial role for us winning the worldcup back in 2011. I really hope that Raina is taking his fitness issue seriously and try to get back in the team.

As for your team, its more or same id have as well. The real question though we should be asking is whats in plan for M Shami. I mean playing two wrist spinners on Indian soil seem to be working but it could also backfire when we tour away from home. Also the worldcup is happening in England, so should we still persist with two wrist spinners? Or do we bring in M Shami( our most succesful Odi bowler in recent times), and if we do then who do we drop? Both BK and Bumrah are must for death bowling. It just too much headache for Indian selectors eh

We must play two wrist spinners outside of india in odis unless it is a green mamba.

 

[Pollack]

Absolutely. Raina is 1000 times better than that hack jhadav.

A batsman who averages 50 consistently in first class at brilliant strike rate cannot be termed as hack. Sadly he isn't elegant or good looking and cool youngster for audience to be patient with him. He has no godfather to back him like other players have. Besides most fans dislike him because of his fielding and physical appearance as if Cricket is a super athletic game and one bad fielder cannot be accommodated.

 

[sachin100]

A batsman who averages 50 consistently in first class at brilliant strike rate cannot be termed as hack. Sadly he isn't elegant or good looking and cool youngster for audience to be patient with him. He has no godfather to back him like other players have. Besides most fans dislike him because of his fielding and physical appearance as if Cricket is a super athletic game and one bad fielder cannot be accommodated.

We can easily forgive his fielding or athletic ability if he bats like a proper batsman and not bat like a hack by slogging first ball he faced like a tailender.

 

[Dingolfy]

A batsman who averages 50 consistently in first class at brilliant strike rate cannot be termed as hack. Sadly he isn't elegant or good looking and cool youngster for audience to be patient with him. He has no godfather to back him like other players have. Besides most fans dislike him because of his fielding and physical appearance as if Cricket is a super athletic game and one bad fielder cannot be accommodated.

Jadeja has not one but three triple-centuries in our FC and so I wouldnt read much about that.And we have enough bad fielders as our bowlers and hence cant allow a mediocre fielder and runner in our top 6 when we got plenty of batsmen waiting in the line.In this era of super-pattas and two new balls, you need athletic fielders to support our bowlers.If you check our recent victories, lot of them owe to our brilliant fielding too like Pandey's catch in the last match.

 

[captain.hansolo]

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION], now please come and explain to me how the next two ODIs hold any consequence whatsoever other than being a breeding ground for experimental permutations. We could have been building towards the finals of a Ind-SL-Aus Tri Series instead with an added dynamic of Aus-SL rather than witnessing two one sided ODI series where 4 out of 10 games are basically redundant.

Bilateral series are (and i am sure this is the minority opinion) a true test of which team of the two competing, is the better team. They give you the opportunity to test while controlling for surface, weather, toss, and the occasional off day.

teams can build on their knowledge - case in point: glenn maxwell. india understood how to control this batsmen and applied a strategy that worked in two out of the three attempts, and it could be argued that they contained him in all three games.

a single toss up encounter is very much a game of luck and chance. i posit that had the champions trophy been a best of three final, the winner would have been different.

india has won two cruical ODIs against south africa in world cup matches, but in a bilateral series, it is quite likely that South Africa would win by a decent margin.

the next two ODIs will reveal which team has the better bench strength. and if the teams play with relatively unchanged lineups and australia narrow the margin, then it can be argued that the teams are evenly matched.