India all out for 36 in the first Test against Australia (2020/21)

[Ozeirk]

Lol love to see big egos getting crushed and this is suppose to be Indians strength, batting. Home track bullies they are.

 

[Rohan]

If KL Rahul with an average of 34 can be in this squad then why can't Rohit with an average of 46 be in the same squad? We have also seen how good KL Rahul is in swinging conditions. So let's just not go there.

He can be, anyone can be. I’m talking about performing in a condition by a player. If Shaw can be in the squad with his atrocious technique which form India gate between bat and pads, anyone can

 

[Technics 1210]

How the wickets fell.


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Brilliant. 60 second highlights!

 

[therealAB]

If KL Rahul with an average of 34 can be in this squad then why can't Rohit with an average of 46 be in the same squad? We have also seen how good KL Rahul is in swinging conditions. So let's just not go there.

Rohit's average away from Asia?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No I didn't accept your scenario, it's just it was laughable that you conjured up a scenario where the scores of India's arch rivals are still better than 36.

It's not just PP having a field day, every cricket fan outside of India is enjoying today. All the money, all the power, all the talent, and what has India got to show for it? 36.

By the way, even if Pakistan scored the lowest total, it wouldn't have been so bad since Pakistan team is ranked 7th, but for a team that boasts money, power, arrogance, and complaceny - 36 is an utter humiliation - the lowest score by India across all formats.

Cheer up - Indian broke, and now own a few more records.

I hope you have heard that phrase '36 ka aankda' in hindi/urdu which means having a serious conflict with your arch rival. It seems all these RamLakhans KaranArjuns SeetaGeeta type posters have literally taken it to their hearts and want to drag Pakistan into it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Rohit's average away from Asia?

This is their overall average and Rohit has played less tests than KL Rahul even after being a beast of a batsman in LOI's.

 

[Rohan]

No I didn't accept your scenario, it's just it was laughable that you conjured up a scenario where the scores of India's arch rivals are still better than 36. The lowest total is the subject matter, not how another team may have performed.

It's not just PP having a field day, every cricket fan outside of India is enjoying today. All the money, all the power, all the talent, and what has India got to show for it? 36.

By the way, even if Pakistan scored the lowest total, it wouldn't have been so bad since Pakistan team is ranked 7th, but for a team that boasts money, power, arrogance, and complaceny - 36 is an utter humiliation - the lowest score by India across all formats.

Cheer up - Indian broke, and now own a few more records.

Agreed. And also fans should realize that its not productive to compare India’s debacle with any other team’s records or performances. It’s not going to solve anything. First thing is to accept the poor performance and work on it. It has nothing to do how other teams perform.

 

[Slim]

But it is already written

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] bhai in shambles.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There were hundreds of indian fans here yesterday. But today I can't even see 36 indian fans here. Where have they all gone?

 

[naseem]

This shouldn’t be recognized as the lowest score because India lost 9 wickets not 10.

Shami is retired out........so all out

 

[therealAB]

This is their overall average and Rohit has played less tests than KL Rahul even after being a beast of a batsman in LOI's.

My point is that Rohit is abysmal outside of Asia, and will likely be no different. Rahul at least has a century in the UK

 

[Rana]

There were hundreds of indian fans here yesterday. But today I can't even see 36 indian fans here. Where have they all gone?

Mamoon vela also awfully silent

 

[Rohan]

There were hundreds of indian fans here yesterday. But today I can't even see 36 indian fans here. Where have they all gone?

Today is your day to troll Indian fans. Enjoy it to the fullest.

 

[naseem]

There were hundreds of indian fans here yesterday. But today I can't even see 36 indian fans here. Where have they all gone?

Waiting eagerly for newbies Abdullah nd haider 2 fail tomorrow

 

[Rana]

Today is your day to troll Indian fans. Enjoy it to the fullest.

He will have plenty of days in the next few weeks

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

My point is that Rohit is abysmal outside of Asia, and will likely be no different. Rahul at least has a century in the UK

Rahul has a useless century in UK which came in the last inning of a dead rubber test which we lost. Team management has shown lot more confidence in KL Rahul than Rohit. Rohit played in a wrong era otherwise he would have cemented his place in the team long time ago. Rahane is another good for nothing player.

 

[Rohan]

My point is that Rohit is abysmal outside of Asia, and will likely be no different. Rahul at least has a century in the UK

Bro, he does not have much knowledge of cricket. He come with agendas of praising players who are not in squad, bashing IPL even in test match thread. But he thinks he knows it all.

 

[Finisher]

But but BBL and PSL are third class leagues and IPL is more competitive than international cricket

 

[Artaxerxes]

India made history today.Not a single batsman reached double figures.This is a first in history of test cricket.

 

[Rohan]

Rahul has a useless century in UK which came in the last inning of a dead rubber test which we lost. Team management has shown lot more confidence in KL Rahul than Rohit. Rohit played in a wrong era otherwise he would have cemented his place in the team long time ago. Rahane is another good for nothing player.

So in dead rubbers players should just throw wickets and walk away? Nice logic

 

[naseem]

Apples and oranges. The result of a match affects both teams because only one side can win of course.

However, when it comes to these lowest total records, it only impacts one team. It doesn’t make any difference to the outcome of the match if India enters the record book for lowest total or not.

A lowest total after losing all 10 wickets should not be considered the same as a lowest total when you still have a wicket in hand.

Which is of no use because of fitnedd

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Today is your day to troll Indian fans. Enjoy it to the fullest.

Nah I am just trying to find those sensitive and unsporting fans who run away from here as soon as the going gets tough. These are the same fans who will overhype our team, make fun of our neighbours, make fun of those who don't share their opinions and will hide when something like this happens.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So in dead rubbers players should just throw wickets and walk away? Nice logic

Did nothing in the first 4 tests and got a hundred in a dead rubber. Obviously you will cherish that hundred. Here for example people are asking for Shaw to be dropped after first test and Rahul on the other hand got 4 tests in which he failed prior to getting a hundred in the 5th one. Even then I wanted him out of the test team. He played against West Indies and was dropped after that. He is still not a regular in the test tean. So can you see your's and other's hypocrisy here?

 

[Ab Fan]

Rahul has a useless century in UK which came in the last inning of a dead rubber test which we lost. Team management has shown lot more confidence in KL Rahul than Rohit. Rohit played in a wrong era otherwise he would have cemented his place in the team long time ago. Rahane is another good for nothing player.

They all are mediocre. Rohit also averages 26 away from home. In 2000s, we had Ganguly and Laxman averaging a respectable over 40 average overseas. Here, we have a number of mediocre players and add Vihari in it as well. His average is also 33 now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bro, he does not have much knowledge of cricket. He come with agendas of praising players who are not in squad, bashing IPL even in test match thread. But he thinks he knows it all.

I never said I know it all. That's what you trolls assume and get into arguments with me when I am simply posting my opinion. Idiots like you always come up with 'why are you bringing IPL', 'you are not indian' blah blah into here and then start losing your mind and running away when I give it back lol.

 

[Rohan]

Did nothing in the first 4 tests and got a hundred in a dead rubber. Obviously you will cherish that hundred. Here for example people are asking for Shaw to be dropped after first test and Rahul on the other hand got 4 tests in which he failed prior to getting a hundred in the 5th one. Even then I wanted him out of the test team. He played against West Indies and was dropped after that. He is still not a regular in the test tean. So can you see your's and other's hypocrisy here?

Live in your bubble, over there you are the expert, everything is happy happy there.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

They all are mediocre. Rohit also averages 26 away from home. In 2000s, we had Ganguly and Laxman averaging a respectable over 40 average overseas. Here, we have a number of mediocre players and add Vihari in it as well. His average is also 33 now.

Your idea of whole team coming back to India with Kohli was nice then.

 

[Ab Fan]

Your idea of whole team coming back to India with Kohli was nice then.

Yeah, they should come back home. We are anyways not supposed to play this many away games

 

[Rohan]

He will have plenty of days in the next few weeks

Rana bhai, unfortunately it looks like the only possibility.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Live in your bubble, over there you are the expert, everything is happy happy there.

Live in your IPL bubble, over there every Indian player looks world class. Also every match ends happily there because all teams are indian. Happy happy situation for all sensitive fans.

 

[Monsee]

Kohli is to blame here he should have been smart enough to declared indias inns at 20/5 and blamed a dangerous pitch. Just like bishen bedi did with india in barbados in 1976. My dear brother [MENTION=81]Monsee[/MENTION] will tell you more.

Thanks for remembering me [MENTION=4795]amjid[/MENTION], what a total and uttera 'Phainta' (as Imran would call it) handed to the 'Number 1 team' whose every single member just did unimaginable feats in the Indian Pajama League (just a few weeks ago)!

At least in 1976 Bedi and Co. had some real terrorists (in the shape of WI bowlers) to blame for...what is the excuse for the Indian team this time?

Maybe Kohli wanted to board the plane early back to India and thought Pujara alone will win them the game in the second innings and he was not allowed to and the whole team played in protest? Maybe they were reprising the famous 1975 Gavaskar Herculian innings in the WC but Aussies cheated them out with a Pink ball?

Seriously, now watch India/BCCI becoming the biggest opponents of the Pink Ball lol

 

[JaDed]

Deserve the humiliation.

 

[nextover666666]

Woke up and saw not only did Australia win but India made only 36 runs hahahahaha


What happen , the mighty ducks of India the greatest team in the world the team that never loses the team that never lost a match the best team in the world bowled at for 36 hahaha we know Indians can't bowl seems like they can't bat either


What a performence by Australia

 

[Rana]

Rana bhai, unfortunately it looks like the only possibility.

Chin up my man. It won’t get worse than this I hope. Trolling aside, Pakistan have to face Trent Boult without Babar Azam on green decks

 

[Rohan]

Chin up my man. It won’t get worse than this I hope. Trolling aside, Pakistan have to face Trent Boult without Babar Azam on green decks

Hope so. Wishing Pakistan team and fans all the best. I think Shan Masood will do wonders (I hope he is in the team). I also think an unexpected player from Pakistan will be a hero.

 

[RamLakhan]

Australian players don't give a damn about IPL. Is it not clear already that they treat IPL as a paid vacation? None of my indian teams from pre IPL eras batted this pathetic against an Australia side like this. And this is supposed to be West Indies of 80's and Aus of 2000s. Most of these guys will find it hard to bat through the session because they more used to batting and entertaining fans like you in IPL.

Yes the previous teams were winning day in and day out right? Also the bowling unit was brutal isn't it?

In fact if you replace even some players from current team with your so-called IPL stars (your biggest hate list entities) like Rahul, Pant, Pandya, etc, the team can even strengthen with better balance!

And I think I have already told you about commercialism in sports! If there was no IPL, India would have continued to play 1 additional round of friendly bilateral series with Srilanka, WI & Bangladesh (add Afghanistan to the mix now) in the same window! And we would have yawned to watch those useless matches & contest! At least we enjoy watching IPL and it is helping our youngsters to get exposed to proper International Quality Cricket (Yes players can get injured in IPL and also a dead-rubber match against Bangladesh at home just before an important Australian tour! It can happen! It can also happen during practice sessions! I know you want players to be stored in freezers so that they can be ready to play an important "international" series like this! Hell they should not even get injured mid of the tour! It is a crime!)

There are so-called non-international, non-bilateral leagues even in soccer sports (besides all important FIFA mega cup "nation" based event!) This is how world runs!

 

[Uzi]

There were hundreds of indian fans here yesterday. But today I can't even see 36 indian fans here. Where have they all gone?

Mamoon is probably conducting a zoom call with them all to devise a strategy to combat the ridicule here.

 

[Rana]

Mamoon is probably conducting a zoom call with them all to devise a strategy to combat the ridicule here.

Big 3 Whatsapp group )

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes the previous teams were winning day in and day out right? Also the bowling unit was brutal isn't it?

In fact if you replace even some players from current team with your so-called IPL stars (your biggest hate list entities) like Rahul, Pant, Pandya, etc, the team can even strengthen with better balance!

And I think I have already told you about commercialism in sports! If there was no IPL, India would have continued to play 1 additional round of friendly bilateral series with Srilanka, WI & Bangladesh (add Afghanistan to the mix now) in the same window! And we would have yawned to watch those useless matches & contest! At least we enjoy watching IPL and it is helping our youngsters to get exposed to proper International Quality Cricket (Yes players can get injured in IPL and also a dead-rubber match against Bangladesh at home just before an important Australian tour! It can happen! It can also happen during practice sessions! I know you want players to be stored in freezers so that they can be ready to play an important "international" series like this! Hell they should not even get injured mid of the tour! It is a crime!)

There are so-called non-international, non-bilateral leagues even in soccer sports (besides all important FIFA mega cup "nation" based event!) This is how world runs!

There are 3 more tests. Let's see how Pant and KL Rahul perform. Remember this was Shaw's first test and Pant, Rahul have already played together here in Australia. If they fail they should be dropped too.

 

[Rohan]

Yes the previous teams were winning day in and day out right? Also the bowling unit was brutal isn't it?

In fact if you replace even some players from current team with your so-called IPL stars (your biggest hate list entities) like Rahul, Pant, Pandya, etc, the team can even strengthen with better balance!

And I think I have already told you about commercialism in sports! If there was no IPL, India would have continued to play 1 additional round of friendly bilateral series with Srilanka, WI & Bangladesh (add Afghanistan to the mix now) in the same window! And we would have yawned to watch those useless matches & contest! At least we enjoy watching IPL and it is helping our youngsters to get exposed to proper International Quality Cricket (Yes players can get injured in IPL and also a dead-rubber match against Bangladesh at home just before an important Australian tour! It can happen! It can also happen during practice sessions! I know you want players to be stored in freezers so that they can be ready to play an important "international" series like this! Hell they should not even get injured mid of the tour! It is a crime!)

There are so-called non-international, non-bilateral leagues even in soccer sports (besides all important FIFA mega cup "nation" based event!) This is how world runs!

Bhai, now that would be too much logic for some posters. I hope they can digest it.

 

[JaDed]

I don’t really understand the point of these ‘test’ specialists- Pujara and Rahane anymore.

I rather go to Ranjhi and get new blood like Sarfaraz he will perform the same probably

Even Pandya would had scored here considering no pressure situation.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bhai, now that would be too much logic for some posters. I hope they can digest it.

I have punctured his logic quite a number of times in the past already but still he doesn't learn. I thought this thread will give him some shock. But keeping him aside you in your above post yourself said that you don't like these leagues and hate them then how come you are agreeing with his logic? Can you please elaborate?

 

[as-95]

Totally embarassing performance. Good to see the Indians get beaten so horribly. Will take their egos down a peg or two

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don’t really understand the point of these ‘test’ specialists- Pujara and Rahane anymore.

I rather go to Ranjhi and get new blood like Sarfaraz he will perform the same probably

Even Pandya would had scored here considering no pressure situation.

Rahane is useless. He should be dropped now. He is quite similar to Asad Shafiq. Has played couple of good innings here and there but overall a failed investment.

 

[Madplayer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I woke up & saw the score 369. I couldn't believe it. <br>Then i washed my eyes and saw the score 36/9. <br>I couldn't believe it either & went back to sleep. <br>Video aa rahi hai.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvAUS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsAUSTest?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsAUSTest</a></p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1340201235299876864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

) ) shoaib not coming slow

I couldnt watch or even follow the match online today due to work and i'm cursing myself must have felt like something else for those who watched it Live.

 

[Caved12]

There were hundreds of indian fans here yesterday. But today I can't even see 36 indian fans here. Where have they all gone?

Not nice, but Hilarious!

 

[Rohan]

I have punctured his logic quite a number of times in the past already but still he doesn't learn. I thought this thread will give him some shock. But keeping him aside you in your above post yourself said that you don't like these leagues and hate them then how come you are agreeing with his logic? Can you please elaborate?

I agree with financial part of IPL even though not a fan of it. Is it that hard to understand? Once in a while you should come out of "I am the only expert" bubble.

 

[Uzi]

To be fair, Vihari had a good cameo at the end of the innings.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

) ) shoaib not coming slow

I couldnt watch or even follow the match online today due to work and i'm cursing myself must have felt like something else for those who watched it Live.

I'm gonna watch Shoaib's video. It will be hilarious...

 

[iiqbal]

Lolzz, few ppl. Here have agenda of disheart Pakistan cricket fan, so that cricket in Pakistan come to end. Today indian cricket come to end.

 

[Kroll]

Unbelievable and awful!

Not what anyone was expecting when they were waking up this morning. I can understand Kohli's reasoning to be away after this but India really needs him to be there for the rest of the series.

 

[therealAB]

I don’t really understand the point of these ‘test’ specialists- Pujara and Rahane anymore.

I rather go to Ranjhi and get new blood like Sarfaraz he will perform the same probably

Even Pandya would had scored here considering no pressure situation.

Terrible opinion. Pujara won you a series in Australia, and is a fantastic player

Also what do you mean by 'no pressure'

 

[Ab Fan]

I don’t really understand the point of these ‘test’ specialists- Pujara and Rahane anymore.

I rather go to Ranjhi and get new blood like Sarfaraz he will perform the same probably

Even Pandya would had scored here considering no pressure situation.

Go wherever, try whoever, you will only find players who will average 60 at home and 30 away

 

[Tubs]

Hahha, my dad woke me up to tell me about this. Absolutely crazy scenes.

Though I must say, many of the posters here are acting like Pakistan won the world cup!

 

[MenInG]

 

[sindhiboy]

I love the fact that india got bundled for 36 not in the 70s and 80s,or in the golden Era of the 90s and early 2000s, where there were a plethora of legendary bowlers. But in 2020.

 

[Technics 1210]

Hahha, my dad woke me up to tell me about this. Absolutely crazy scenes.

Though I must say, many of the posters here are acting like Pakistan won the world cup!

Put your hatered for Pakistan aside, and do what credible academics do, non bias research. Go look at how other fans from across the world are reacting.

Any excuse for you to have a dig ey?

 

[Tubs]

Put your hatered for Pakistan aside, and do what credible academics do, non bias research. Go look at how other fans from across the world are reacting.

Any excuse for you to have a dig ey?

1) Just because I acknowledge how Pakistan is very flawed, it doesn't maker me a hater.

2) Don't speak about non-biased research when you consistently go against the scientific consensus.

3) I was also pretty amused when this happened, but some people are going a bit overboard. I don't see what I said as being controversial.

Any excuse to whine and play the victim, ey?

 

[nextover666666]

I wonder were cricketjoshila went don't seem to see him around today hahaha

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Congratulations to Pakistani fans.

I'm here!

 

[Slim]

Hahha, my dad woke me up to tell me about this. Absolutely crazy scenes.

Though I must say, many of the posters here are acting like Pakistan won the world cup!

Pakistan might not have won the worldcup but India has certainly won the world cup for the lowest score in 65 years. )

 

[Slim]

Indian fans deserve this humiliation.

 

[Tubs]

Pakistan might not have won the worldcup but India has certainly won the world cup for the lowest score in 65 years. )

Hahahaha, this tickled me. They have indeed. Interested to see what the next match will be like with Sharma as captain.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Hahha, my dad woke me up to tell me about this. Absolutely crazy scenes.

Though I must say, many of the posters here are acting like Pakistan won the world cup!

Just imagine for a shuddering moment if it were Pakistan getting all out for 36...

Mods would have locked the forum and TV channels would be on the hunt for Misbah and the unfortunate Pak skipper...

The horror.

 

[Tubs]

Just imagine for a shuddering moment if it were Pakistan getting all out for 36...

Mods would have locked the forum and TV channels would be on the hunt for Misbah and the unfortunate Pak skipper...

The horror.

Hahaha, it would be something.

I actually want to see some Indian reactions to this, by my Urdu/Hindi comprehension isn't that great. They better be careful when they return to India...

 

[Mamoon]

Indian fans deserve this humiliation.

 

[MenInG]

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You seem to be answering for Indian fans!

anyways, in the wise words of Shahid Afridi

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brilliant display by Cummins and Hazelwood today, really enjoyed top-quality Test match fast bowling after long time. Indian batting is still capable of fighting back but it will be now tougher without Kohli.</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1340280086029873152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Technics 1210]

1) Just because I acknowledge how Pakistan is very flawed, it doesn't maker me a hater.

2) Don't speak about non-biased research when you consistently go against the scientific consensus.

3) I was also pretty amused when this happened, but some people are going a bit overboard. I don't see what I said as being controversial.

Any excuse to whine and play the victim, ey?

So you admit your hatered for Pakistan. Wow. That was easy.

I was merely pointing out you are an academic fraud.

Carry on with your insecure essays.

 

[aloo paratha]

This shouldn’t be recognized as the lowest score because India lost 9 wickets not 10.

Being unable to bat after being struck by a ball is more humiliating than edging off to slip.

 

[Mamoon]

Being unable to bat after being struck by a ball is more humiliating than edging off to slip.

How is getting injured humiliating? Our fans are losing the plot now. So was Babar humiliated at Lord’s in 2018 when Broad hit him on his arm and he retired hurt?

What a terrible post.

 

[Slog]

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What a record

 

[Slim]

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How does the medicine taste?

 

[Slog]

Lol Mamoon stop. I hope you realize how salty and bitter you sound. Even Indian fans aren’t crying this much and making such stupid excuses

 

[aloo paratha]

How is getting injured humiliating? Our fans are losing the plot now. So was Babar humiliated at Lord’s in 2018 when Broad hit him on his arm and he retired hurt?

What a terrible post.

Yes it was humiliating. It's embarrassing anytime a batsman gets themselves in a tangle and gets struck. There is a reason batsman try not to show any pain after being struck.

Regardless of what you say, a batsman not being able to bat anymore counts as the team being all out. Happened in the first WI vs NZ test as well, didn't see you saying that the score line should read 138/9, not 138 AO.

 

[Slim]

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GOAT Asian team, ladies and gentleman.

 

[Third Man]

Being unable to bat after being struck by a ball is more humiliating than edging off to slip.

Yeah, it's very humiliating for a number 11 to get hit with a bouncer. C'mon now, I'm enjoying this as much as the next person, but let's not go overboard.

 

[Slim]

Yes it was humiliating. It's embarrassing anytime a batsman gets themselves in a tangle and gets struck. There is a reason batsman try not to show any pain after being struck.

Regardless of what you say, a batsman not being able to bat anymore counts as the team being all out. Happened in the first WI vs NZ test as well, didn't see you saying that the score line should read 138/9, not 138 AO.

Why are you arguing with him? LOL. No one cares about a tin foil cry baby. ICC has registered it.

 

[aloo paratha]

Lol Mamoon stop. I hope you realize how salty and bitter you sound. Even Indian fans aren’t crying this much and making such stupid excuses

He deserves this humiliation

 

[Slim]

Lol Mamoon stop. I hope you realize how salty and bitter you sound. Even Indian fans aren’t crying this much and making such stupid excuses

Tin foil armour game strong. Global conspiracy against India.

 

[aloo paratha]

Why are you arguing with him? LOL. No one cares about a tin foil cry baby. ICC has registered it.

Because it's funny to see the lengths he'll go