India and France are at each other’s throats over the Dassault Rafale Fighter

[emranabbas]

The crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities.​

The dismal showing of India’s expensive French-built Dassault Rafales in its recent war against Pakistan has triggered a wave of recriminations between the Indian and French governments. Not only has the unimpressive display of the Dassault Rafales in the opening phases of the recent conflict come as a shock to the world, but other clients of French defense contractors are having second thoughts.


As was first reported last week, the government of Indonesia has launched an audit of its recent deal with Dassault to purchase a handful of the fighters. Though no reason was given for the audit, it is transparently clear that Jakarta is worried about the poor performance of the Indian-owned Rafales against what many assumed was an inferior Pakistani Air Force.


This week, in order to salvage the Rafale’s reputation, Paris is punching back at New Delhi—pinning the losses on maintenance and pilot error rather than deficiencies in France’s most advanced fighter jet.

India Refuses to Grant French Auditors Access to India’s Rafales ​

Unconfirmed reports in the international press and across social media indicate that the Indian government is refusing to allow Dassault’s audit team to gain access to India’s arsenal of Rafales. Dassault’s auditors want to inspect the Indian fleet of Rafales to ensure that there are no technical problems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) may have missed.


The Indians are certain to be twitchy about this request. Why? New Delhi understandably fears the French auditors’ main purpose is to shift the blame on the poor performance of the Dassault Rafales onto the IAF itself.


Following the loss of at least one of India’s Rafale jets in the opening phase of its recent war with Pakistan, some have speculated that the Rafales were not the problem at all. Instead, they have insinuated that poor IAF pilot training and lax maintenance standards over the course of many years are to blame. The Indians categorically deny that this is the case. And indeed, though Indian standards may have contributed to the catastrophe, a simpler explanation is more likely: the French are trying to cover for the fact that their complex Rafale jets are no longer superior enough to Pakistan’s Chinese-built aircraft to justify their vastly higher price tag.

India’s Air Force Has Lacked Readiness for Over a Decade ​

Of course, there is ample evidence to suggest that Dassault, whose pride has been clearly wounded, might have merit to its concerns. After all, in December 2024, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India and the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence reported on a recruitment crisis that was affecting India’s military. According to its reports, the IAF was “grappling with a critical shortage of pilots”—a shortfall that “increased from 486 in February 2015 to 596 in 2021, underscoring the growing challenge in maintaining operations readiness,” as Shivani Sharma of India Today reported on December 20, 2024. The CAG report is even more damning of the IAF’s tireless but ultimately unsuccessful efforts to recruit an additional 222 trainee pilots between 2016 and 2021.


Personnel shortages delayed the attempts by the IAF to repair operational issues with critical training aircraft, such as the Pilatus PC-7-Mk-II. Without reliable training birds, coupled with a serious lack of qualified pilots, the IAF was poised for a failure if war erupted.


As for the Parliamentary Committee, they indicated that the pilot-to-seat ratio of 1.25:1 for fighter aircraft was insufficient for “high-intensity operations” of the kind that defined India’s four-day war with neighboring Pakistan. The IAF then possessed a meager 31 fighter squadrons, when the country’s air doctrine called for a minimum of 42. The IAF then failed to phase out older aircraft and bring in new ones in a timely manner, further degrading its defense readiness.


Clearly, the French auditors are aware of these issues. They were well documented, but ultimately went unaddressed for a decade before the war erupted earlier this month. Nothing the Indian government did to resolve their aircraft and pilot shortages worked.


So, the question then becomes: why did those Rafales get shot down by Chinese-built Pakistani Air Force (PAF) warplanes and their Chinese-made PL-15 air-to-air missiles? Was it because the Indians bought overestimated French weapons and platforms, or was it simply because the Indian military was poorly prepared for the fight at hand?


Of course, the crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities. In other words, despite whatever readiness issues there were with the IAF, they cannot camouflage the problems with the French weapons and warplanes that India was using against Pakistan.


Nor should anyone dismiss the very real strides the Chinese have made in terms of producing systems that are on par with, or perhaps even better in some cases, than the expensive and complex Western systems.

Why Won’t Dassault Share Its Source Code with India?​

Meanwhile, the Indians are sharing their displeasure with Dassault, the French maker of the Rafale warplane, publicly. One of India’s biggest gripes against Dassault is that the French firm has persistently refused to share the source code for their Rafales with the IAF, despite India’s position as a longtime client.


While some may assume that this is simply to protect Dassault’s valuable intellectual property, the fact remains that the Indians need access to the source code to ensure seamless maintenance over the avionics suite, the complex mission systems, and to maintain key weapons integration. Failure to hand that over to the IAF by Dassault is needlessly complicating basic operations for an IAF that has already proven itself to be unprepared for high-intensity conflict.


Why is Dassault dragging its heels? Is it because the company fears IP theft? Or is it really because it is worried India might see how badly it was bilked by another Western defense contractor that overcharges, over-promises, and under-delivers?


The Chinese have been having great fun with these stories on social media. After all, why shouldn’t they? Chinese weapons and warplanes outperformed expectations in the war. When news about the inability of India to access Dassault’s source code broke—at roughly the same time India captured an intact Chinese PL-15 missile—one of Beijing’s so-called “wolf warrior” diplomats took to X to mock New Delhi: “India spent $288 million per Rafale, and they don’t even have access to the source code. These Indians also claim they can ‘extract the software’ from the burnt out wreckage of a PL-15 missile. Yet, they can’t even access the core functions of their own Rafale jets?”


While obnoxious, this was a fair question raised by the Chinese account. It highlights the gap between the propaganda surrounding the military supremacy of India and the reality that, while New Delhi certainly has significant capabilities, the application of those capabilities does not comport with the radical claims made by their supporters.

India Needs to Rethink Its Armed Forces​

The bottom line is this: for whatever reason one prefers, India was unprepared for the high-intensity of the war with Pakistan at the start. That is why New Delhi rapidly escalated the conflict in a bid to outpace the Pakistanis.


Ultimately, India likely bought the wrong platforms from Western defense contractors who overcharged and underdelivered. While France and India will continue to point fingers at one another, they ultimately share the blame for the obvious failures at the start of the war. India in particular must change course while time remains.

About the Author: Brandon J. Weichert​

Brandon J. Weichert, a Senior National Security Editor at The National Interest as well as a contributor at Popular Mechanics, who consults regularly with various government institutions and private organizations on geopolitical issues. Weichert’s writings have appeared in multiple publications, including the Washington Times, National Review, The American Spectator, MSN, the Asia Times, and countless others. His books include Winning Space: How America Remains a Superpower, Biohacked: China’s Race to Control Life, and The Shadow War: Iran’s Quest for Supremacy. His newest book, A Disaster of Our Own Making: How the West Lost Ukraine is available for purchase wherever books are sold.

India and France Are At Each Other’s Throats Over the Dassault Rafale Fighter

The crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities.

nationalinterest.org

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@Rajdeep @Devadwal @straighttalk time to boycott France now ...They are putting all the blame on Indian pilots.
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The crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities.

The dismal showing of India’s expensive French-built Dassault Rafales in its recent war against Pakistan has triggered a wave of recriminations between the Indian and French governments. Not only has the unimpressive display of the Dassault Rafales in the opening phases of the recent conflict come as a shock to the world, but other clients of French defense contractors are having second thoughts.

As was first reported last week, the government of Indonesia has launched an audit of its recent deal with Dassault to purchase a handful of the fighters. Though no reason was given for the audit, it is transparently clear that Jakarta is worried about the poor performance of the Indian-owned Rafales against what many assumed was an inferior Pakistani Air Force.

This week, in order to salvage the Rafale’s reputation, Paris is punching back at New Delhi—pinning the losses on maintenance and pilot error rather than deficiencies in France’s most advanced fighter jet.

India Refuses to Grant French Auditors Access to India’s Rafales

Unconfirmed reports in the international press and across social media indicate that the Indian government is refusing to allow Dassault’s audit team to gain access to India’s arsenal of Rafales. Dassault’s auditors want to inspect the Indian fleet of Rafales to ensure that there are no technical problems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) may have missed.

The Indians are certain to be twitchy about this request. Why? New Delhi understandably fears the French auditors’ main purpose is to shift the blame on the poor performance of the Dassault Rafales onto the IAF itself.

Following the loss of at least one of India’s Rafale jets in the opening phase of its recent war with Pakistan, some have speculated that the Rafales were not the problem at all. Instead, they have insinuated that poor IAF pilot training and lax maintenance standards over the course of many years are to blame. The Indians categorically deny that this is the case. And indeed, though Indian standards may have contributed to the catastrophe, a simpler explanation is more likely: the French are trying to cover for the fact that their complex Rafale jets are no longer superior enough to Pakistan’s Chinese-built aircraft to justify their vastly higher price tag.

India’s Air Force Has Lacked Readiness for Over a Decade

Of course, there is ample evidence to suggest that Dassault, whose pride has been clearly wounded, might have merit to its concerns. After all, in December 2024, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India and the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence reported on a recruitment crisis that was affecting India’s military. According to its reports, the IAF was “grappling with a critical shortage of pilots”—a shortfall that “increased from 486 in February 2015 to 596 in 2021, underscoring the growing challenge in maintaining operations readiness,” as Shivani Sharma of India Today reported on December 20, 2024. The CAG report is even more damning of the IAF’s tireless but ultimately unsuccessful efforts to recruit an additional 222 trainee pilots between 2016 and 2021.

Personnel shortages delayed the attempts by the IAF to repair operational issues with critical training aircraft, such as the Pilatus PC-7-Mk-II. Without reliable training birds, coupled with a serious lack of qualified pilots, the IAF was poised for a failure if war erupted.

As for the Parliamentary Committee, they indicated that the pilot-to-seat ratio of 1.25:1 for fighter aircraft was insufficient for “high-intensity operations” of the kind that defined India’s four-day war with neighboring Pakistan. The IAF then possessed a meager 31 fighter squadrons, when the country’s air doctrine called for a minimum of 42. The IAF then failed to phase out older aircraft and bring in new ones in a timely manner, further degrading its defense readiness.

Clearly, the French auditors are aware of these issues. They were well documented, but ultimately went unaddressed for a decade before the war erupted earlier this month. Nothing the Indian government did to resolve their aircraft and pilot shortages worked.

So, the question then becomes: why did those Rafales get shot down by Chinese-built Pakistani Air Force (PAF) warplanes and their Chinese-made PL-15 air-to-air missiles? Was it because the Indians bought overestimated French weapons and platforms, or was it simply because the Indian military was poorly prepared for the fight at hand?

Of course, the crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities. In other words, despite whatever readiness issues there were with the IAF, they cannot camouflage the problems with the French weapons and warplanes that India was using against Pakistan.

Nor should anyone dismiss the very real strides the Chinese have made in terms of producing systems that are on par with, or perhaps even better in some cases, than the expensive and complex Western systems.

Why Won’t Dassault Share Its Source Code with India?

Meanwhile, the Indians are sharing their displeasure with Dassault, the French maker of the Rafale warplane, publicly. One of India’s biggest gripes against Dassault is that the French firm has persistently refused to share the source code for their Rafales with the IAF, despite India’s position as a longtime client.

While some may assume that this is simply to protect Dassault’s valuable intellectual property, the fact remains that the Indians need access to the source code to ensure seamless maintenance over the avionics suite, the complex mission systems, and to maintain key weapons integration. Failure to hand that over to the IAF by Dassault is needlessly complicating basic operations for an IAF that has already proven itself to be unprepared for high-intensity conflict.

Why is Dassault dragging its heels? Is it because the company fears IP theft? Or is it really because it is worried India might see how badly it was bilked by another Western defense contractor that overcharges, over-promises, and under-delivers?

The Chinese have been having great fun with these stories on social media. After all, why shouldn’t they? Chinese weapons and warplanes outperformed expectations in the war. When news about the inability of India to access Dassault’s source code broke—at roughly the same time India captured an intact Chinese PL-15 missile—one of Beijing’s so-called “wolf warrior” diplomats took to X to mock New Delhi: “India spent $288 million per Rafale, and they don’t even have access to the source code. These Indians also claim they can ‘extract the software’ from the burnt out wreckage of a PL-15 missile. Yet, they can’t even access the core functions of their own Rafale jets?”

While obnoxious, this was a fair question raised by the Chinese account. It highlights the gap between the propaganda surrounding the military supremacy of India and the reality that, while New Delhi certainly has significant capabilities, the application of those capabilities does not comport with the radical claims made by their supporters.

India Needs to Rethink Its Armed Forces

The bottom line is this: for whatever reason one prefers, India was unprepared for the high-intensity of the war with Pakistan at the start. That is why New Delhi rapidly escalated the conflict in a bid to outpace the Pakistanis.

Ultimately, India likely bought the wrong platforms from Western defense contractors who overcharged and underdelivered. While France and India will continue to point fingers at one another, they ultimately share the blame for the obvious failures at the start of the war. India in particular must change course while time remains.

India and France Are At Each Other’s Throats Over the Dassault Rafale Fighter

The crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities.

nationalinterest.org

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Lol @emranabbas you made this thread just two minutes before me. Kudos

 

[ElRaja]

clearly on the pakistani payroll this one, look at his history, writing books on, checks notes, american supremacy and how to bully iran into giving up its ambitions for power.... scratches head, yeah pakistnai payroll definitely.

 

[Rajdeep]

OP and his fake stories again. Let’s wait and see how the relationship between France and India actually unfolds but quoting random, unverified sources makes absolutely no sense. Soon enough, @Devadwal will likely step in and bust OP’s claims like he always does.

That said, being a kind-hearted person, I’ll give OP the benefit of the doubt and accept that one Rafale jet was downed. We’ve acknowledged this since 7th May. But as I’ve said multiple times before, in any war, jets go down and soldiers die. That’s the unfortunate reality of conflict—but it shouldn’t distract from the bigger picture.

The real story is that India entered 50 km deep into a nuclear-armed country, hit terrorist camps, and even targeted key military installations like Nur Khan Airbase. That in itself shows the success and boldness of the operation.

Now, take a look at the content below. I was actually planning to open a new thread on this topic, but I know @TheBaldEagle will probably remove it or merge it in no time. Kyon ki sach sunne ki adaat sabko nehi hai...starting from your PM who was gifting fake image to COAS

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor​

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor

Nur Khan is central to Pakistan's drone warfare strategy and hosts the country's elite pilot training and VIP fleet, including the presidential aircraft.

www.ndtv.com

 

[LordJames]

OP and his fake stories again. Let’s wait and see how the relationship between France and India actually unfolds but quoting random, unverified sources makes absolutely no sense. Soon enough, @Devadwal will likely step in and bust OP’s claims like he always does.

That said, being a kind-hearted person, I’ll give OP the benefit of the doubt and accept that one Rafale jet was downed. We’ve acknowledged this since 7th May. But as I’ve said multiple times before, in any war, jets go down and soldiers die. That’s the unfortunate reality of conflict—but it shouldn’t distract from the bigger picture.

The real story is that India entered 50 km deep into a nuclear-armed country, hit terrorist camps, and even targeted key military installations like Nur Khan Airbase. That in itself shows the success and boldness of the operation.

Now, take a look at the content below. I was actually planning to open a new thread on this topic, but I know @TheBaldEagle will probably remove it or merge it in no time. Kyon ki sach sunne ki adaat sabko nehi hai...starting from your PM who was gifting fake image to COAS

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor​

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor

Nur Khan is central to Pakistan's drone warfare strategy and hosts the country's elite pilot training and VIP fleet, including the presidential aircraft.

www.ndtv.com

I am Sorry, you were saying something, can you repeat?

 

[Rajdeep]

I am Sorry, you were saying something, can you repeat?

Ask ChatGPT like you mostly do

 

[emranabbas]

OP and his fake stories again. Let’s wait and see how the relationship between France and India actually unfolds but quoting random, unverified sources makes absolutely no sense. Soon enough, @Devadwal will likely step in and bust OP’s claims like he always does.

That said, being a kind-hearted person, I’ll give OP the benefit of the doubt and accept that one Rafale jet was downed. We’ve acknowledged this since 7th May. But as I’ve said multiple times before, in any war, jets go down and soldiers die. That’s the unfortunate reality of conflict—but it shouldn’t distract from the bigger picture.

The real story is that India entered 50 km deep into a nuclear-armed country, hit terrorist camps, and even targeted key military installations like Nur Khan Airbase. That in itself shows the success and boldness of the operation.

Now, take a look at the content below. I was actually planning to open a new thread on this topic, but I know @TheBaldEagle will probably remove it or merge it in no time. Kyon ki sach sunne ki adaat sabko nehi hai...starting from your PM who was gifting fake image to COAS

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor​

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor

Nur Khan is central to Pakistan's drone warfare strategy and hosts the country's elite pilot training and VIP fleet, including the presidential aircraft.

www.ndtv.com

Mr Rajdeep, just to clear things up this analysis wasn’t done by me or by any Pakistani. It was actually written by Brandon J. Weichert, an American analyst who’s pretty well-known in geopolitical and national security circles. You should check him out if you haven’t heard of him he’s got legit credentials.

Also, the analysis isn’t just some random opinion it’s got proper sources backing it up. So before jumping to conclusions, maybe take a minute to look into who actually wrote it.

 

[straighttalk]

@Rajdeep @Devadwal @straighttalk time to boycott France now ...They are putting all the blame on Indian pilots.
====
The crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities.

The dismal showing of India’s expensive French-built Dassault Rafales in its recent war against Pakistan has triggered a wave of recriminations between the Indian and French governments. Not only has the unimpressive display of the Dassault Rafales in the opening phases of the recent conflict come as a shock to the world, but other clients of French defense contractors are having second thoughts.

As was first reported last week, the government of Indonesia has launched an audit of its recent deal with Dassault to purchase a handful of the fighters. Though no reason was given for the audit, it is transparently clear that Jakarta is worried about the poor performance of the Indian-owned Rafales against what many assumed was an inferior Pakistani Air Force.

This week, in order to salvage the Rafale’s reputation, Paris is punching back at New Delhi—pinning the losses on maintenance and pilot error rather than deficiencies in France’s most advanced fighter jet.

India Refuses to Grant French Auditors Access to India’s Rafales

Unconfirmed reports in the international press and across social media indicate that the Indian government is refusing to allow Dassault’s audit team to gain access to India’s arsenal of Rafales. Dassault’s auditors want to inspect the Indian fleet of Rafales to ensure that there are no technical problems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) may have missed.

The Indians are certain to be twitchy about this request. Why? New Delhi understandably fears the French auditors’ main purpose is to shift the blame on the poor performance of the Dassault Rafales onto the IAF itself.

Following the loss of at least one of India’s Rafale jets in the opening phase of its recent war with Pakistan, some have speculated that the Rafales were not the problem at all. Instead, they have insinuated that poor IAF pilot training and lax maintenance standards over the course of many years are to blame. The Indians categorically deny that this is the case. And indeed, though Indian standards may have contributed to the catastrophe, a simpler explanation is more likely: the French are trying to cover for the fact that their complex Rafale jets are no longer superior enough to Pakistan’s Chinese-built aircraft to justify their vastly higher price tag.

India’s Air Force Has Lacked Readiness for Over a Decade

Of course, there is ample evidence to suggest that Dassault, whose pride has been clearly wounded, might have merit to its concerns. After all, in December 2024, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India and the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence reported on a recruitment crisis that was affecting India’s military. According to its reports, the IAF was “grappling with a critical shortage of pilots”—a shortfall that “increased from 486 in February 2015 to 596 in 2021, underscoring the growing challenge in maintaining operations readiness,” as Shivani Sharma of India Today reported on December 20, 2024. The CAG report is even more damning of the IAF’s tireless but ultimately unsuccessful efforts to recruit an additional 222 trainee pilots between 2016 and 2021.

Personnel shortages delayed the attempts by the IAF to repair operational issues with critical training aircraft, such as the Pilatus PC-7-Mk-II. Without reliable training birds, coupled with a serious lack of qualified pilots, the IAF was poised for a failure if war erupted.

As for the Parliamentary Committee, they indicated that the pilot-to-seat ratio of 1.25:1 for fighter aircraft was insufficient for “high-intensity operations” of the kind that defined India’s four-day war with neighboring Pakistan. The IAF then possessed a meager 31 fighter squadrons, when the country’s air doctrine called for a minimum of 42. The IAF then failed to phase out older aircraft and bring in new ones in a timely manner, further degrading its defense readiness.

Clearly, the French auditors are aware of these issues. They were well documented, but ultimately went unaddressed for a decade before the war erupted earlier this month. Nothing the Indian government did to resolve their aircraft and pilot shortages worked.

So, the question then becomes: why did those Rafales get shot down by Chinese-built Pakistani Air Force (PAF) warplanes and their Chinese-made PL-15 air-to-air missiles? Was it because the Indians bought overestimated French weapons and platforms, or was it simply because the Indian military was poorly prepared for the fight at hand?

Of course, the crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities. In other words, despite whatever readiness issues there were with the IAF, they cannot camouflage the problems with the French weapons and warplanes that India was using against Pakistan.

Nor should anyone dismiss the very real strides the Chinese have made in terms of producing systems that are on par with, or perhaps even better in some cases, than the expensive and complex Western systems.

Why Won’t Dassault Share Its Source Code with India?

Meanwhile, the Indians are sharing their displeasure with Dassault, the French maker of the Rafale warplane, publicly. One of India’s biggest gripes against Dassault is that the French firm has persistently refused to share the source code for their Rafales with the IAF, despite India’s position as a longtime client.

While some may assume that this is simply to protect Dassault’s valuable intellectual property, the fact remains that the Indians need access to the source code to ensure seamless maintenance over the avionics suite, the complex mission systems, and to maintain key weapons integration. Failure to hand that over to the IAF by Dassault is needlessly complicating basic operations for an IAF that has already proven itself to be unprepared for high-intensity conflict.

Why is Dassault dragging its heels? Is it because the company fears IP theft? Or is it really because it is worried India might see how badly it was bilked by another Western defense contractor that overcharges, over-promises, and under-delivers?

The Chinese have been having great fun with these stories on social media. After all, why shouldn’t they? Chinese weapons and warplanes outperformed expectations in the war. When news about the inability of India to access Dassault’s source code broke—at roughly the same time India captured an intact Chinese PL-15 missile—one of Beijing’s so-called “wolf warrior” diplomats took to X to mock New Delhi: “India spent $288 million per Rafale, and they don’t even have access to the source code. These Indians also claim they can ‘extract the software’ from the burnt out wreckage of a PL-15 missile. Yet, they can’t even access the core functions of their own Rafale jets?”

While obnoxious, this was a fair question raised by the Chinese account. It highlights the gap between the propaganda surrounding the military supremacy of India and the reality that, while New Delhi certainly has significant capabilities, the application of those capabilities does not comport with the radical claims made by their supporters.

India Needs to Rethink Its Armed Forces

The bottom line is this: for whatever reason one prefers, India was unprepared for the high-intensity of the war with Pakistan at the start. That is why New Delhi rapidly escalated the conflict in a bid to outpace the Pakistanis.

Ultimately, India likely bought the wrong platforms from Western defense contractors who overcharged and underdelivered. While France and India will continue to point fingers at one another, they ultimately share the blame for the obvious failures at the start of the war. India in particular must change course while time remains.

India and France Are At Each Other’s Throats Over the Dassault Rafale Fighter

The crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities.

nationalinterest.org

Lmao..you call this a article..unconfirmed sources ...war of words..where is this happening..show me a documented statement form iaf France and Indian govt or dassault...the only thing verified there is the fact that dassault has not shared source code upon Indias request. Rest everything is the imagination of that author whose way of words like another western company overcharging and under promising. Clearly betrays that he is a Chinese stooge in a no name publication which no one has heard of...come back with actual reputable media and on record statement...and do better....the whole world except Pakistani public not your army or air force knows what actually happened and who begged for ceasefire.

 

[Devadwal]

Chinese deep state affiliated Washington think tank have been spamming misinformation using sensational headline against India

This guy Brandon Weichert, writer at National interest has already written 3 successive articles against India, making tall claims of Chinese weapon superiority.

US wants to diss the Rafale as they want to push F35 to India. Even the Chinese funded The Telegraph carried an article abt the Rafale with the sentence, " unconfirmed reports suggest the IAF Rafale pilot reportedly had only 9 secs to react to the AI equipped PL15 fired at it"

The National Interest has history of publishing articles without a rigorous fact-check

Another Fake news

OP and his fake stories again. Let’s wait and see how the relationship between France and India actually unfolds but quoting random, unverified sources makes absolutely no sense. Soon enough, @Devadwal will likely step in and bust OP’s claims like he always does.

That said, being a kind-hearted person, I’ll give OP the benefit of the doubt and accept that one Rafale jet was downed. We’ve acknowledged this since 7th May. But as I’ve said multiple times before, in any war, jets go down and soldiers die. That’s the unfortunate reality of conflict—but it shouldn’t distract from the bigger picture.

The real story is that India entered 50 km deep into a nuclear-armed country, hit terrorist camps, and even targeted key military installations like Nur Khan Airbase. That in itself shows the success and boldness of the operation.

Now, take a look at the content below. I was actually planning to open a new thread on this topic, but I know @TheBaldEagle will probably remove it or merge it in no time. Kyon ki sach sunne ki adaat sabko nehi hai...starting from your PM who was gifting fake image to COAS

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor​

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor

Nur Khan is central to Pakistan's drone warfare strategy and hosts the country's elite pilot training and VIP fleet, including the presidential aircraft.

www.ndtv.com

 

[emranabbas]

Pakistan China USA and rest of the world lying on chai wala telling the truth who has been ranked #1 for lying not long ago. Ok nice joke

 

[Boyka]

Indians telling us about fake news,

Chinese deep state affiliated Washington think tank have been spamming misinformation using sensational headline against India

This guy Brandon Weichert, writer at National interest has already written 3 successive articles against India, making tall claims of Chinese weapon superiority.

US wants to diss the Rafale as they want to push F35 to India. Even the Chinese funded The Telegraph carried an article abt the Rafale with the sentence, " unconfirmed reports suggest the IAF Rafale pilot reportedly had only 9 secs to react to the AI equipped PL15 fired at it"

The National Interest has history of publishing articles without a rigorous fact-check

Another Fake news

you’re Indian, don’t talk others about fake news

 

[Rana]

France should make a special jet to sell to India:

Dassault khotta’elle

A befitting plain for their fitteh mooh airforce

 

[straighttalk]

Macron hints at Rafale orders under France-Indonesia pact

Two countries sign agreements, MoUs worth $11bn.

www.dawn.com

So much about that

 

[Bhaijaan]

Propaganda article is Propaganda article

Wow, this looked like it was written by a 12 year old. Bet you there are Pakistani posters on this thread who can write a less obvious looking propaganda article than this one.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Crux of this article -

India is negotiating hard with France to get source code allowing them greater integration of indigenous technologies and weapons and seamless connectivity with command centre.

Hence proven, Pakistan shot down a Rafale.

 

[emranabbas]

Propaganda article is Propaganda article

Wow, this looked like it was written by a 12 year old. Bet you there are Pakistani posters on this thread who can write a less obvious looking propaganda article than this one.

propaganda by who?

 

[emranabbas]

Macron hints at Rafale orders under France-Indonesia pact

Two countries sign agreements, MoUs worth $11bn.

www.dawn.com

So much about that

pakistani sources can't be trusted FAKE NEWS

 

[RexRex]

Jeez, pak posters are so thirsty and desperate to prove that they 'won' the war. It's kinda sad and amusing at the same time.

They should be worrying about the root cause of the problem that caused all of this because you know it's going to happen again.

 

[Bhaijaan]

propaganda by who?

India is the largest potential customer today in fighter jets market.

Figure out who all are rivals to Dassault Aviation and you will know what game is being played out. They haven’t been able to convince us though. We listen to our IAF Chief on this matter.

 

[emranabbas]

Jeez, pak posters are so thirsty and desperate to prove that they 'won' the war. It's kinda sad and amusing at the same time.

They should be worrying about the root cause of the problem that caused all of this because you know it's going to happen again.

When did Brandon J. Weichert become pakistani

 

[RexRex]

India is the largest potential customer today in fighter jets market.

Figure out who all are rivals to Dassault Aviation and you will know what game is being played out. They haven’t been able to convince us though. We listen to our IAF Chief on this matter.

This is kinda true. Defence companies love to put bad-mouth their rivals through 'friendly' media.

 

[sweep_shot]

India Refuses to Grant French Auditors Access to India’s Rafales ​

Unconfirmed reports in the international press and across social media indicate that the Indian government is refusing to allow Dassault’s audit team to gain access to India’s arsenal of Rafales. Dassault’s auditors want to inspect the Indian fleet of Rafales to ensure that there are no technical problems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) may have missed.


The Indians are certain to be twitchy about this request. Why? New Delhi understandably fears the French auditors’ main purpose is to shift the blame on the poor performance of the Dassault Rafales onto the IAF itself.


Following the loss of at least one of India’s Rafale jets in the opening phase of its recent war with Pakistan, some have speculated that the Rafales were not the problem at all. Instead, they have insinuated that poor IAF pilot training and lax maintenance standards over the course of many years are to blame. The Indians categorically deny that this is the case. And indeed, though Indian standards may have contributed to the catastrophe, a simpler explanation is more likely: the French are trying to cover for the fact that their complex Rafale jets are no longer superior enough to Pakistan’s Chinese-built aircraft to justify their vastly higher price tag.

India keep on making a fool of themselves. What are they afraid of? Why don't they allow French auditors to audit?

India also refused to cooperate with Canadian authorities in the past (after the Khalistani assassination).

They think they can fool the world with their stupidity.

 

[emranabbas]

India is the largest potential customer today in fighter jets market.

Figure out who all are rivals to Dassault Aviation and you will know what game is being played out. They haven’t been able to convince us though. We listen to our IAF Chief on this matter.

Bhai jaan, saying 2+2=5 won’t make it true we need to deal in facts, not fairy tales.

How can anyone seriously claim that the whole world is out to get India?

Not long ago, many Indians were proudly saying that India is respected and admired globally. So how did we suddenly go from being loved by most of the world to being hated by everyone?

 

[speed]

France sold them second rate rafale, didn't even give them meteor missiles.

 

[RexRex]

When did Brandon J. Weichert become pakistani

I mean the general tone of many of the recent posts on here, not this article in particular.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I’m reminded of something Neil deGrasse Tyson once said about moon landing conspiracy theories that faking it would’ve been so complex, it might’ve actually been easier to just go to the moon. That’s the thing about lying, it offers quick gratification, but sustaining it is a nightmare and that’s what Pakistanis have been dealing with for decades. They’re the winners of every conflict yet their narrative yet they came off worse in all of them as a nation.

During recent conflicts, many Indians criticized our leadership for not engaging aggressively in the information war. But in hindsight, the decision to stay measured and fact-based proved wise. The information eventually shared was credible, professional, and thoroughly verified. It presented the image of India being a responsible and calculated nation to the rest of the world.

In stark contrast, Pakistan’s establishment didn’t waste a second before unleashing a barrage of blatant lies. They were so wild, they ended up embarrassing themselves. And really dude, gifting photoshopped images as war souvenirs and letting these photos go to the internet? That’s not just deceitful, it’s downright disgraceful but hey that’s Pakistan for you I swear If Indian leadership ever stooped that low, we’d be the first to hold them accountable and we do that on a regular basis. That’s a thriving democracy for you, hello China

In India, even in the heat of conflict, we understand that war has losses. We don’t glorify fake victories. When our media got carried away one night, the backlash was swift and the next day, things were back to reality. We take pride in calling out our own when needed. We don’t celebrate delusions.

That’s the real difference between our nations today. India moves forward, led by democratic institutions and accountability. Pakistan, on the other hand, remains trapped in a cycle of military rule, propaganda-fed nationalism, and manufactured narratives. Generations have been fed lies, creating a population that tolerates annd even celebrates deception from the top. Banana Republic


While they try to sell illusions, we focus on progress. That’s why our trajectories couldn’t be more different.

 

[emranabbas]

I mean the general tone of many of the recent posts on here, not this article in particular.

No worries bro

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bhai jaan, saying 2+2=5 won’t make it true we need to deal in facts, not fairy tales.

How can anyone seriously claim that the whole world is out to get India?

Not long ago, many Indians were proudly saying that India is respected and admired globally. So how did we suddenly go from being loved by most of the world to being hated by everyone?

Based on facts?

Trump talking about making F-35s available to India (a non NATO nation) , Russians already after our life to buy Su-57s and then Dassault Aviations.

It’s not about love or hate.
It’s complex geopolitics.

Even Russia has been part of this Rafale related propaganda which is supposedly a friendly nation and our biggest defense partner.

 

[emranabbas]

I’m reminded of something Neil deGrasse Tyson once said about moon landing conspiracy theories that faking it would’ve been so complex, it might’ve actually been easier to just go to the moon. That’s the thing about lying, it offers quick gratification, but sustaining it is a nightmare and that’s what Pakistanis have been dealing with for decades. They’re the winners of every conflict yet their narrative yet they came off worse in all of them as a nation.

During recent conflicts, many Indians criticized our leadership for not engaging aggressively in the information war. But in hindsight, the decision to stay measured and fact-based proved wise. The information eventually shared was credible, professional, and thoroughly verified. It presented the image of India being a responsible and calculated nation to the rest of the world.

In stark contrast, Pakistan’s establishment didn’t waste a second before unleashing a barrage of blatant lies. They were so wild, they ended up embarrassing themselves. And really dude, gifting photoshopped images as war souvenirs and letting these photos go to the internet? That’s not just deceitful, it’s downright disgraceful but hey that’s Pakistan for you I swear If Indian leadership ever stooped that low, we’d be the first to hold them accountable and we do that on a regular basis. That’s a thriving democracy for you, hello China

In India, even in the heat of conflict, we understand that war has losses. We don’t glorify fake victories. When our media got carried away one night, the backlash was swift and the next day, things were back to reality. We take pride in calling out our own when needed. We don’t celebrate delusions.

That’s the real difference between our nations today. India moves forward, led by democratic institutions and accountability. Pakistan, on the other hand, remains trapped in a cycle of military rule, propaganda-fed nationalism, and manufactured narratives. Generations have been fed lies, creating a population that tolerates annd even celebrates deception from the top. Banana Republic


While they try to sell illusions, we focus on progress. That’s why our trajectories couldn’t be more different.

Bhai jaan

 

[emranabbas]

I’m reminded of something Neil deGrasse Tyson once said about moon landing conspiracy theories that faking it would’ve been so complex, it might’ve actually been easier to just go to the moon. That’s the thing about lying, it offers quick gratification, but sustaining it is a nightmare and that’s what Pakistanis have been dealing with for decades. They’re the winners of every conflict yet their narrative yet they came off worse in all of them as a nation.

During recent conflicts, many Indians criticized our leadership for not engaging aggressively in the information war. But in hindsight, the decision to stay measured and fact-based proved wise. The information eventually shared was credible, professional, and thoroughly verified. It presented the image of India being a responsible and calculated nation to the rest of the world.

In stark contrast, Pakistan’s establishment didn’t waste a second before unleashing a barrage of blatant lies. They were so wild, they ended up embarrassing themselves. And really dude, gifting photoshopped images as war souvenirs and letting these photos go to the internet? That’s not just deceitful, it’s downright disgraceful but hey that’s Pakistan for you I swear If Indian leadership ever stooped that low, we’d be the first to hold them accountable and we do that on a regular basis. That’s a thriving democracy for you, hello China

In India, even in the heat of conflict, we understand that war has losses. We don’t glorify fake victories. When our media got carried away one night, the backlash was swift and the next day, things were back to reality. We take pride in calling out our own when needed. We don’t celebrate delusions.

That’s the real difference between our nations today. India moves forward, led by democratic institutions and accountability. Pakistan, on the other hand, remains trapped in a cycle of military rule, propaganda-fed nationalism, and manufactured narratives. Generations have been fed lies, creating a population that tolerates annd even celebrates deception from the top. Banana Republic


While they try to sell illusions, we focus on progress. That’s why our trajectories couldn’t be more different.

This one comes from your friends in Paris and published by your country india just few days ago

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/indians-more-susceptible-to-fake-news-disinformation-study-101747801323136.html

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bhai jaan

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[sweep_shot]

Bhai jaan, saying 2+2=5 won’t make it true we need to deal in facts, not fairy tales.

How can anyone seriously claim that the whole world is out to get India?

Not long ago, many Indians were proudly saying that India is respected and admired globally. So how did we suddenly go from being loved by most of the world to being hated by everyone?

Why is India getting a bad reputation worldwide lately? I can think of a few reasons:

- India has an extremist Hindutva government. People don't like extremists.

- India is #1 in the world when it comes to misinformation and disinformation.

- A large percentage of Indians are incredibly rude and obnoxious. They are also petty. You can't have civilized conversations with them. They resort to whataboutism and childish namecalling.

- They try to put down other countries even though they themselves are a third world country.

- Their infamous call center scam industry which causes nuisance worldwide.

 

[emranabbas]

Why is India getting a bad reputation worldwide lately? I can think of a few reasons:

- India has an extremist Hindutva government. People don't like extremists.

- India is #1 in the world when it comes to misinformation and disinformation.

- A large percentage of Indians are incredibly rude and obnoxious. They are also petty. You can't have civilized conversations with them. They resort to whataboutism and childish namecalling.

- They try to put down other countries even though they themselves are a third world country.

- Their infamous call center scam industry which causes nuisance worldwide.

Or they were delusional that everyone loves them but when time came nobody stood by them not even USA and Afghanistan

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928704459753853240

But sarrr India and France are at each other throats just because some delusional people's spread the Fake Propaganda

 

[hks222]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928704459753853240

But sarrr India and France are at each other throats just because some delusional people's spread the Fake Propaganda

Its a free open world, every country has equal right to build economic ties. France is also free to do so with its own ambitions.

Not sure how is this a surprise

 

[Devadwal]

Its a free open world, every country has equal right to build economic ties. France is also free to do so with its own ambitions.

Not sure how is this a surprise

Agree, every country is looking at own interest first but spreading the fake propaganda based on delusional peoples is not the actual truth. This story was pickup from a X post and I have proof of that.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928704459753853240

But sarrr India and France are at each other throats just because some delusional people's spread the Fake Propaganda

Top Defence Officer Confirms India Lost Fighter Jets In Pakistan Conflict​

"What is important is that, not the jet being down, but why they were being down," Chief of Defence Staff Anil Chauhan told Bloomberg TV.​

​

India's military confirmed for the first time that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May, while saying the four-day conflict never came close to the point of nuclear war.

"What is important is that, not the jet being down, but why they were being down," Anil Chauhan, chief of defence staff of the Indian Armed Forces, said in an interview with Bloomberg TV on Saturday, while attending the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore.

He called Pakistan's claims that it shot down six Indian warplanes "absolutely incorrect," though declined to specify how many jets India lost.

"Why they were down, what mistakes were made - that are important," General Chauhan said when asked about the fighter jets. "Numbers are not important," he added.

"The good part is that we are able to understand the tactical mistake which we made, remedy it, rectify it, and then implement it again after two days and flew all our jets again, targeting at long range," General Chauhan said.

The comments are the most direct yet from an Indian government or military official on the fate of the country's fighter jets during the conflict with Pakistan that erupted on May 7.

Earlier this month, Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said his country shot down six Indian fighter jets, an assertion that hasn't been independently verified. India's government had earlier refrained from commenting on whether it lost aircraft in the fighting.

Top Defence Officer Confirms India Lost Fighter Jets In Pakistan Conflict

India's military confirmed for the first time that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May, while saying the four-day conflict never came close to the point of nuclear war.

www.ndtv.com

 

[BouncerGuy]

Top Defence Officer Confirms India Lost Fighter Jets In Pakistan Conflict​

"What is important is that, not the jet being down, but why they were being down," Chief of Defence Staff Anil Chauhan told Bloomberg TV.​

​

India's military confirmed for the first time that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May, while saying the four-day conflict never came close to the point of nuclear war.

"What is important is that, not the jet being down, but why they were being down," Anil Chauhan, chief of defence staff of the Indian Armed Forces, said in an interview with Bloomberg TV on Saturday, while attending the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore.

He called Pakistan's claims that it shot down six Indian warplanes "absolutely incorrect," though declined to specify how many jets India lost.

"Why they were down, what mistakes were made - that are important," General Chauhan said when asked about the fighter jets. "Numbers are not important," he added.

"The good part is that we are able to understand the tactical mistake which we made, remedy it, rectify it, and then implement it again after two days and flew all our jets again, targeting at long range," General Chauhan said.

The comments are the most direct yet from an Indian government or military official on the fate of the country's fighter jets during the conflict with Pakistan that erupted on May 7.

Earlier this month, Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said his country shot down six Indian fighter jets, an assertion that hasn't been independently verified. India's government had earlier refrained from commenting on whether it lost aircraft in the fighting.

Top Defence Officer Confirms India Lost Fighter Jets In Pakistan Conflict

India's military confirmed for the first time that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May, while saying the four-day conflict never came close to the point of nuclear war.

www.ndtv.com

Still gonna ignore that the plane went down????

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928715649926169002

 

[Devadwal]

At UNSC, France extends support for India's bid to permanent membership of the security council .

France supports reforms aimed at improving the representativeness of the Security Council

France supports efforts to reform the Council in order to make it more representative and adapted to contemporary realities.

onu.delegfrance.org

 

[IronShield]

@Devadwal @Bhaijaan @Romali_rotti @Rajdeep @Hitman @straighttalk

Present yourselves in this thread and explain this one.

Any doubts still?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Still gonna ignore that the plane went down????

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928715649926169002

That's no longer the question. What really matters now is how many went down? 3, 5, or 6? And why did they lie about it?

 

[Devadwal]

@Devadwal @Bhaijaan @Romali_rotti @Rajdeep @Hitman @straighttalk

Present yourselves in this thread and explain this one.

Any doubts still?

We lost one jet and this is accepted by everyone on 7th June itself.

Pakistan fake claim of 6 jet is absolutely wrong. Try again

Even CDS categorically denies India losing 6 jets saying its “absolutely incorrect”, as claimed by Pakistan.

 

[Devadwal]

We lost one jet and this is accepted by everyone on 7th June itself.

Pakistan fake claim of 6 jet is absolutely wrong. Try again

Even CDS categorically denies India losing 6 jets saying its “absolutely incorrect”, as claimed by Pakistan.

7th May.

 

[Bhaijaan]

That's no longer the question. What really matters now is how many went down? 3, 5, or 6? And why did they lie about it?

The real question is how do you feel after getting a heavy defeat in another war.

6-0 it is now.

 

[Devadwal]

The real question is how do you feel after getting a heavy defeat in another war.

6-0 it is now.

48, 65, 71 , Siachen ,99 and 2025. 6-0 Cleansweep just like our World Cup streak.

 

[OldWarHorse]

That's no longer the question. What really matters now is how many went down? 3, 5, or 6? And why did they lie about it?

Did they lie about it though? I remember they refused to comment or something along those lines. Might be wrong, you could correct me here

I think most of us accepted we've lost jets as early the 7th of May. But how many..thats is still up for debate

 

[Technics 1210]

Our very own Commander @emranabbas make Maverick, Goose, Iceman look like love stories, and the IAF like summer picnics.

You don't need fighter jets to down the IAF - mere words will do.

 

[amax]

OP and his fake stories again. Let’s wait and see how the relationship between France and India actually unfolds but quoting random, unverified sources makes absolutely no sense. Soon enough, @Devadwal will likely step in and bust OP’s claims like he always does.

That said, being a kind-hearted person, I’ll give OP the benefit of the doubt and accept that one Rafale jet was downed. We’ve acknowledged this since 7th May. But as I’ve said multiple times before, in any war, jets go down and soldiers die. That’s the unfortunate reality of conflict—but it shouldn’t distract from the bigger picture.

The real story is that India entered 50 km deep into a nuclear-armed country, hit terrorist camps, and even targeted key military installations like Nur Khan Airbase. That in itself shows the success and boldness of the operation.

Now, take a look at the content below. I was actually planning to open a new thread on this topic, but I know @TheBaldEagle will probably remove it or merge it in no time. Kyon ki sach sunne ki adaat sabko nehi hai...starting from your PM who was gifting fake image to COAS

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor​

New Satellite Image Shows Massive Damage To Pak's Nur Khan Base After Operation Sindoor

Nur Khan is central to Pakistan's drone warfare strategy and hosts the country's elite pilot training and VIP fleet, including the presidential aircraft.

www.ndtv.com

This is exactly, what the article is pointing to, after heavy losses in aerial battle India can't control the fallout and started attacking airbases with standalone weapons a typical unskilled/low IQ fat bully like move, in common jargon.

"The bottom line is this: for whatever reason one prefers, India was unprepared for the high-intensity of the war with Pakistan at the start. That is why New Delhi rapidly escalated the conflict in a bid to outpace the Pakistanis."

 

[IronShield]

@Devadwal LOL - now you admit to losing one jet, in time it will become 6.... slowly slowly catchy monkey and with a whole lot of cope, you will get there.
Let me help you on that path - He says "What is important, why THEY were down". Look at his body language.

 

[Devadwal]

@Devadwal LOL - now you admit to losing one jet, in time it will become 6.... slowly slowly catchy monkey and with a whole lot of cope, you will get there.
Let me help you on that path - He says "What is important, why THEY were down". Look at his body language.

Hahaha. Atleast read the entire conversation

Go and checked the Pinned Thread , I already accepted the one jet loss on 7 may itself .

Kya kare news I'd banake jo aye ho to kuch ata pta hai ni

 

[IronShield]

Hahaha. Atleast read the entire conversation

Go and checked the Pinned Thread , I already accepted the one jet loss on 7 may itself .

Kya kare news I'd banake jo aye ho to kuch ata pta hai ni

I will take the bait....

Was it a Rafale?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Did they lie about it though? I remember they refused to comment or something along those lines. Might be wrong, you could correct me here

I think most of us accepted we've lost jets as early the 7th of May. But how many..thats is still up for debate

Most of us? I didn't come across anything in the media. Could you please point me to it?

 

[IronShield]

Most of us? I didn't come across anything in the media. Could you please point me to it?

I was going to get to that slowly... but you beat me to it

His script writers are in a spin today

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hahaha. Atleast read the entire conversation

Go and checked the Pinned Thread , I already accepted the one jet loss on 7 may itself .

Kya kare news I'd banake jo aye ho to kuch ata pta hai ni

Which jet did you lose on May 7th? The toilet jet? Because there was no news of India losing any jet on 7th May. You were busy doing bhangra during this mini war and dismissing everything as fake whenever it didn't align with your narrative.

 

[speed]

Untill India can solve the pl15 connandrum they can't except any air superiority over Pakistan, if your jets have to stay 200-300 km away incase they get shot down by a $750k missile, ur airforce is useless.

 

[speed]

1 rafale 200 million

Pl15 750k

 

[OldWarHorse]

Most of us? I didn't come across anything in the media. Could you please point me to it?

Again I don't mean media but the regular public.

Check the r/India subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/BEWmrzvxga

I think some posters here even agreed.

Also didn't the Pakistani defence minister get his news of the downed jets from Indian social media?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Again I don't mean media but the regular public.

Check the r/India subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/BEWmrzvxga

I think some posters here even agreed.

Also didn't the Pakistani defence minister get his news of the downed jets from Indian social media?

I was referring to Godi media. Show me a single news channel that covered it and acknowledged it on May 7th itself. And no, contrary to your claim, many users were not accepting it on that day either. Curious to know which channel had the guts to report that Pakistan shot down an Indian jet.

 

[hks222]

Agree, every country is looking at own interest first but spreading the fake propaganda based on delusional peoples is not the actual truth. This story was pickup from a X post and I have proof of that.

Fake news - its rich coming feom an Indian whose entire nation is an expert with fake news.

 

[hks222]

1 rafale 200 million

Pl15 750k

Short and sweet.

 

[OldWarHorse]

I was referring to Godi media. Show me a single news channel that covered it and acknowledged it on May 7th itself. And no, contrary to your claim, many users were not accepting it on that day either. Curious to know which channel had the guts to report that Pakistan shot down an Indian jet.

Indian media isn't independent enough to pull off making statements about downed jets. Even if they knew, the backlash would be huge. You could see even the trustworthy ones deleting their tweets.

Cant go by just looking at media how the public thinks. Majority are trash anyway.

 

[Bhaijaan]

48, 65, 71 , Siachen ,99 and 2025. 6-0 Cleansweep just like our World Cup streak.

Nothing to boast except 1971.
They’re nobody in front of us as nation and as an army.

What we did in 1971 however is unprecedented. It’s something Pakistan will never recover from psychologically speaking. A constant reminder of their inferiority and helplessness against us when we turn the heat.

 

[amax]

48, 65, 71 , Siachen ,99 and 2025. 6-0 Cleansweep just like our World Cup streak.

Apart from 71, there was no Indian tactical/operational victory, heck even in 1971 India wasn't able to defeat Pakistan in the Western theatre. If you logically analyze Pakistan is punching way above its weight in conventional warfare vis-a-vis India.

 

[Devadwal]

Apart from 71, there was no Indian tactical/operational victory, heck even in 1971 India wasn't able to defeat Pakistan in the Western theatre. If you logically analyze Pakistan is punching way above its weight in conventional warfare vis-a-vis India.

Yes bro , Pakistan have won in the 1971 . Be Happy now

 

[IronShield]

Nothing to boast except 1971.
They’re nobody in front of us as nation and as an army.

What we did in 1971 however is unprecedented. It’s something Pakistan will never recover from psychologically speaking. A constant reminder of their inferiority and helplessness against us when we turn the heat.

In fact it's India that hasn't recovered from 71 psychologically. Pakistan and even Bangladesh has moved on and getting closer to each other.

 

[Bhaijaan]

In fact it's India that hasn't recovered from 71 psychologically. Pakistan and even Bangladesh has moved on and getting closer to each other.

Sure you can indulge in all the romance with each other as separate nations. We had a lot of fun when we chainsaw'd you back in the day.

 

[Bhaijaan]

2025 would have same fate iF ceasefire didn't happened . 1971 bangladesh Liberated by India and we missed the chance to Liberated Balochistan. Anyway baloch are taking control of Cities, highway etc days by day's.

If Pakistan treat them same way , I can see Balochistan independence very soon . Mod are not posting the real news about Balochistan otherwise things are going bad to worse for Pakistan security forces.

Balochistan is an asset as a problematic state in Pakistan.
Let the Baloch keep whooping them for a decade minimum and waste billions of dollars worth of their debt.

Once the damage reaches satisfactory level and the enemy has been successfully made to grovel for years, then we can allow a formal independence of Balochistan.

Until then, suffer baby suffer!

 

[straighttalk]

Apart from 71, there was no Indian tactical/operational victory, heck even in 1971 India wasn't able to defeat Pakistan in the Western theatre. If you logically analyze Pakistan is punching way above its weight in conventional warfare vis-a-vis India.

Well if you guys consider not losing the entire land as benchmark of war...then yes Pak didn't lose any war.

1947 was a chaos and I would say there was a bhag batwara..in a way I agree India lost out on the pok part..but prevented you guys from taking Srinagar.

65 you attacked to take Kashmir and instead Lahore was almost lost...stalemate but you started the war with an objective and failed.

71 Indias goal was saving. bangaldesh people from genocide and liberating the country...successfully done and 90k prisoner of wars...but here you are claiming it's a parity...I love it and I now fully understand why you are celebrating Sindoor as a victory...nothing. More to add there.
Siachen- India occupies it now..enough said.

99 - tried to take siachen- and occupy the heights...lost the cliffs and ran to step father to be admonished publicly. Nothing to add here.

Sindoor-india wanted to hit terrorists...did so. India also showed that whenever it wants it can hit any base or radar in Pakistan and that Pak air defense is paper thin. If war would have continued India can hit any base it wants. Even pak supproters know they hit nothing of value on ground..there is a lot of celebration around downing couple of jets..of which there is no conclusive evidence. But let's agree that you did downed a jet. But man can you compare that to your bases and weapons system blasted out it likes odi end over dash..you lose wickets to score big. So India got the hits in and agreed to ceasfire...no prolonged war minimal damage on its side...statement made .that's the objective of Sindoor along with water abeyance...I ask again what did Pakistan gain from operation iron wall....no water negotiaition and no kashmir negotiaition.

Pak did win two ways- information war..itnnl and Chinese fake media did buy the Rafale down narrative without a single authentic evidence and they did fool their people and the pahalgam attack has put the peace and normalcy in Kashmir back..so that part I accept.

 

[straighttalk]

Untill India can solve the pl15 connandrum they can't except any air superiority over Pakistan, if your jets have to stay 200-300 km away incase they get shot down by a $750k missile, ur airforce is useless.

Well the useless air force stayed 300 km away and lit up jehadi ass in midst of heavily populated cities with pin point accuracy at 9 places and then took down the radar plus 11 highly protected air bases..imagine if the pl15 air force can't even protect their base...what would happen to civilian areas....also maybe think why the IAF entered miles into your border during Balakot and now struck deep inside paksitan- but your PAF has never crossed the border...just think about it. There is no pl15 conundrum or even an issue... There is no evidence of plane crash yet. It doesn't mean it didn't happen but we haven't seen any proof beyond media saying Pak sources claimed jets down.

What are real issues though is j35 acquisition and lack of awacs integration and less squadron strength for India.

 

[Devadwal]

CDS Anil Chauhan on Op Sindoor

"India penetrated air defences as far 300 kilometers, with accuracy, targeted air field & infra deep inside" Pakistan

But sarrr we won because we down a jet

 

[Boyka]

Indians on here, please find a job. Nobody cares about your long essays.

Same three talking points, 71, terrorist, IMF.

Doesn’t mask your obsessions and inferiority complex.

 

[speed]

Well the useless air force stayed 300 km away and lit up jehadi ass in midst of heavily populated cities with pin point accuracy at 9 places and then took down the radar plus 11 highly protected air bases..imagine if the pl15 air force can't even protect their base...what would happen to civilian areas....also maybe think why the IAF entered miles into your border during Balakot and now struck deep inside paksitan- but your PAF has never crossed the border...just think about it. There is no pl15 conundrum or even an issue... There is no evidence of plane crash yet. It doesn't mean it didn't happen but we haven't seen any proof beyond media saying Pak sources claimed jets down.

What are real issues though is j35 acquisition and lack of awacs integration and less squadron strength for India.

You had to sit your pathetic airforce down after day 1, You used surface to surface missiles to strike our bases, That's how much confidence u had in ur airforce lol.

 

[Devadwal]

Rules of game has changed now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928787250046779754

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Indian military confirms fighter jets shot down by Pakistan

India's chief of defence staff says two sides never came close to point of nuclear war in the four-day conflict.

www.dawn.com

Indian Master key board wanna bees can deny all they want.

Reality is different.

 

[Greenstorm]

Seems like this General Anil didn't get the memo. Publicly accepting their downed jets can land him in trouble in India although he has hindu pass.