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England can't compete with India regardless of the fact that the matches will be played in the UAE. India is too much of a dominant force on Asian conditions, their tour to Australia will be interesting though. If they win there, I don't think anyone can question their remarkable test status in modern day cricket.
 
England are not beating India in UAE or India in tests.


Hope this helps.

If it’s indeed played in UAE, it’ll be a very close series- you’ll see. UAE wickets are completely different from typical Indian tracks, which break & bite with the Test day progressing and you need special skill set to bat long on those tracks against two accurate finger spinners. UAE is burnt, dead mud which gets slower & lower with time - at least couple of Tests will end in draws. And, it’ll favour Poms big time with their pacers, because Indian spin advantage will be nullified considerably on those tracks and English pacers actually bowled well in UAE.
 
If it’s indeed played in UAE, it’ll be a very close series- you’ll see. UAE wickets are completely different from typical Indian tracks, which break & bite with the Test day progressing and you need special skill set to bat long on those tracks against two accurate finger spinners. UAE is burnt, dead mud which gets slower & lower with time - at least couple of Tests will end in draws. And, it’ll favour Poms big time with their pacers, because Indian spin advantage will be nullified considerably on those tracks and English pacers actually bowled well in UAE.


India also have the pacers to trouble the English batting line up. And off spin can still do damage in UAE. Don't know how patient the English batting line up would be against Ashwin and Jadeja.
 
If it’s indeed played in UAE, it’ll be a very close series- you’ll see. UAE wickets are completely different from typical Indian tracks, which break & bite with the Test day progressing and you need special skill set to bat long on those tracks against two accurate finger spinners. UAE is burnt, dead mud which gets slower & lower with time - at least couple of Tests will end in draws. And, it’ll favour Poms big time with their pacers, because Indian spin advantage will be nullified considerably on those tracks and English pacers actually bowled well in UAE.

England lost 5 tests out of 6 to Pakistan in UAE with a better team. Now with this weaker English test team, vs a stronger Indian team, they certain will be lucky to even win a single test.
 
England lost 5 tests out of 6 to Pakistan in UAE with a better team. Now with this weaker English test team, vs a stronger Indian team, they certain will be lucky to even win a single test.

I remembered this literally after my post to MMHS.

India will beat England in UAE or India.
 
England lost 5 tests out of 6 to Pakistan in UAE with a better team. Now with this weaker English test team, vs a stronger Indian team, they certain will be lucky to even win a single test.

Two things here you are not considering -

1. That PAK side wasn’t hopeless like this one. They had five/six world class players for that particular UAE tracks - YK, Misbah, Yasir are obvious but you can add Wahab, Azhar Ali and the UAE king Hafeez as well. And, Poms had to suffer from Ajmal, Gul & Rehman in first 3-0 - Misbah’s PAK was not an easy proposition in UAE at all - even Mian Malik scored 246!!!!! That 150 of Hafeez was as good as anyone can play on those dead tracks. On top of that, Misbah as a captain is made for UAE - don’t forget PAK went to rank one mostly for those UAE Tests. Not only Poms, they hammered Aussies like absolute minnows with plenty to spare. I wrote it few times that at their peak, Misbah’s PAK would have competed India in India. You’ll make a massive judgmental error if you think Poms lost 5 of 6 in UAE to current PAK ....

2. This is not that bad English side compared to the two that lost to PAK - they have batting depth and pacers to trouble India. In fact, I wrote a comparison of two teams that PAK faced in 2016 & 2020 - current team came out considerably better. Archer, Stokes, Buttler has given a total different look to the English team. On contrary this is not the all concerning India of few years back - Kohli, Pujara, Rahne, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, Saha, Ishant, Sharma - all of them has aged towards the wrong side. Only killer advantage that India has against SENA is two spinners taking like 12 wickets/Test at less than 23 and economy of 2.3 on Indian tracks - this’ll be nullified considerably in UAE.

I’ll stick to it - if the series indeed is shifted to UAE, India won’t make the WTC final.
 
Two things here you are not considering -

1. That PAK side wasn’t hopeless like this one. They had five/six world class players for that particular UAE tracks - YK, Misbah, Yasir are obvious but you can add Wahab, Azhar Ali and the UAE king Hafeez as well. And, Poms had to suffer from Ajmal, Gul & Rehman in first 3-0 - Misbah’s PAK was not an easy proposition in UAE at all - even Mian Malik scored 246!!!!! That 150 of Hafeez was as good as anyone can play on those dead tracks. On top of that, Misbah as a captain is made for UAE - don’t forget PAK went to rank one mostly for those UAE Tests. Not only Poms, they hammered Aussies like absolute minnows with plenty to spare. I wrote it few times that at their peak, Misbah’s PAK would have competed India in India. You’ll make a massive judgmental error if you think Poms lost 5 of 6 in UAE to current PAK ....

2. This is not that bad English side compared to the two that lost to PAK - they have batting depth and pacers to trouble India. In fact, I wrote a comparison of two teams that PAK faced in 2016 & 2020 - current team came out considerably better. Archer, Stokes, Buttler has given a total different look to the English team. On contrary this is not the all concerning India of few years back - Kohli, Pujara, Rahne, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, Saha, Ishant, Sharma - all of them has aged towards the wrong side. Only killer advantage that India has against SENA is two spinners taking like 12 wickets/Test at less than 23 and economy of 2.3 on Indian tracks - this’ll be nullified considerably in UAE.

I’ll stick to it - if the series indeed is shifted to UAE, India won’t make the WTC final.

Ok, I agree Pakistan was a much better team in 2012/16. But this current Indian team is also very good specially in Asia. Yes, they are on a decline but still should excel in Asian conditions. I just don't see how any English spinner will pose any threat to them.

In 2011-12, England were literally the number 1 team and had Strauss, Cook,Swann, KP, etc. And they drew 1-1 in SL in 2012 and best India 2-1 in India. They lost 3-0 in UAE with their best ever team.
Compared to that, this English team just looks so weak. Maybe they are a bit better than 2016 though. But I would say this Indian team is probably around the same strength as the 2012 Pakistan side against a weaker English team. So i think India will easily.

But each to their own. We will see when it happens. Hope you are right, would love India to drop points.
 
Poms will do their biggest mistake if they take any Leggi to Indian Tests. A SLAO spinner, and may be another finger spinner (Offie) or even a second SLAO spinner + Root rolling up 20+ overs. Stokes has to fill up the 3rd pacer's role, that'll allow two spinners + Archer & Jimmey/Wood/Berbi. Woakes might do better with bat than ball in India.

I think England XI will be

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root(c)
Stokes
Buttler
Foakes(wkt)/Woakes
Bess
Archer( backup- Wood)
Broad( backup- Anderson)
Leech

Buttler keeping is not good sign for England. Precisely, they should drop Woakes and play a specialist keeper batsmen as his bowling may not help much and our spinners will find a way to get him out cheaply. Pope is having his surgery and was ruled out some time ago for 6 months, so he may not be part of squad.

I expect us to beat England 4-0 given the dominant performance we had when South Africa came here.
 
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Today's announcement means Australia jump past India to claim spot in the ICC World Test Championship
 
It will be a big setback for newzealand if they are awarded only half points for that Bangladesh series.
 
What was the announcement today ?

The International Cricket Council (ICC) today confirmed the ICC World Test Championship points system will be amended due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The Board approved a recommendation from the ICC Cricket Committee, headed by Anil Kumble, to change the competition terms for the event to determine how series affected by the global pandemic are accounted for on the points table.

The unprecedented disruption caused by COVID-19 means, to date, just under half of the World Test Championship matches have been played, with that estimated to rise to more than 85% by the end of the competition window. Current regulations dictate that matches not completed shall be treated as a draw with points split. The Cricket Committee considered maintaining that status quo or determining the final World Test Championship League standings from matches played.

The Cricket Committee recommended the latter option, which was approved by the Chief Executives Committee and ratified by the Board, meaning teams will be ranked in order of percentage of points earned.

ICC Chief Executive Manu Sawhney said: “Both the Cricket Committee and Chief Executives Committee supported the approach of ranking teams based on completed matches and points earned as this reflects their performance and doesn’t disadvantage teams that have been unable to compete all of their matches through no fault of their own.

“We explored a whole range of options, but our Members felt strongly that we should proceed as planned with the first ever World Test Championship Final in June next year.”

The Board also confirmed that the ICC Women’s T20 World Cup will move from its current slot at the end of 2022 to 9-26 February 2023. The move follows the decision in August to postpone the ICC Women’s Cricket World Cup 2021 to 2022 meaning there would be three major events in 2022 with the Commonwealth Games in July 2022 and the ICC Women’s T20 World Cup due to be held in November 2022.

As there are currently no major women’s events scheduled to take place in 2023 the Board confirmed the switch for the T20 World Cup to better support player preparation and to continue to build the momentum around the women’s game beyond 2022.

ICC CEO Manu Sawhney said: “Moving the ICC Women’s T20 World Cup to 2023 makes perfect sense on a number of levels. Firstly, it will provide a better workload balance for players giving them the best possible opportunity to perform to the highest levels on a global stage. Secondly, we can continue to build the momentum around the women’s game through 2022 and into 2023. We are committed to fueling the growth of the women’s game and today’s decision enables us to do that over the longer term.”

The Board also approved the introduction of an Excluded Persons Policy as part of the ICC Anti-Corruption Code with immediate effect. The policy enables the ICC ACU to exclude corruptors who are ‘non-participants’ to the Code to prevent people who attempt to corrupt the sport from involvement in the game. It will also make it an offence for ‘participants’ to the Code to associate with excluded non-participants.

Manu Sawhney added: “This is a significant addition to the ICC Anti-Corruption Code and enables the sport to impose an exclusion order on known corruptors preventing them from any involvement in cricket activities including playing, administration, financing, attendance or any kind of involvement in a league, team or franchise.

“It will allow our ACU to better disrupt the activities of non-participant corruptors which currently the ICC have little, if any, control over. This is crucial if we are to continue to protect the integrity of our sport.”

The Board confirmed the introduction of minimum age restrictions for international cricket to improve safeguarding of players which will apply across all cricket including ICC events, bilateral cricket and U19 cricket. To play in any form of men’s, women’s or U19 international cricket players must now be a minimum age of 15.

In case of exceptional circumstances, a Member Board could apply to the ICC to allow a player under the age of 15 to play for them. This could include where the player’s playing experience and mental development and wellbeing demonstrates that they would be capable of coping with the demands of international cricket.
 
It will be a big setback for newzealand if they are awarded only half points for that Bangladesh series.

They’ll be more than happy if they get away with half points from Bangladesh - England, Australia & South Africa got half, WIN zero..... what makes you think that Kiwis would have got better. They are running 0-7 in ODI in BD.

But if think, it’s even better for them if any ratio is applied.
 
How are South Africa below Windies? They were ranked no.1 in 2015.

Windies won a test in England. Took 40 points. (3 match series)

SAF won a game against England. (4 matchs series)

I have no idea why they have only 24 points. Shouldn't it be 30? Can someone shed some light on that?
 
They’ll be more than happy if they get away with half points from Bangladesh - England, Australia & South Africa got half, WIN zero..... what makes you think that Kiwis would have got better. They are running 0-7 in ODI in BD.

But if think, it’s even better for them if any ratio is applied.

I think you got to back NZL to beat BD. They drew in Lanka won in UAE against stronger sides. 0-7 in ODI's doesn't matter, BD yet to win a test against NZ. Percentage points will do well for NZL but splitting points will be a loss for them.
 
Windies won a test in England. Took 40 points. (3 match series)

SAF won a game against England. (4 matchs series)

I have no idea why they have only 24 points. Shouldn't it be 30? Can someone shed some light on that?

6 points were deducted due to slow over rate
 
Windies won a test in England. Took 40 points. (3 match series)

SAF won a game against England. (4 matchs series)

I have no idea why they have only 24 points. Shouldn't it be 30? Can someone shed some light on that?

Very unfair IMO on deducting 6 points.

Do SA have any series coming against Bangladesh or Windies?
 
My Revised predictions:

Australia:
Home series against Ind: 3-0 - 100 points
Away against SA: 2-1 - 80 points
Away against Bangla: 2 matches series postponed - split points 60
Total = 296+100+80+60 = 536
PTS % = 536/720 = 74.4%

New Zealand
Home series against WI : 2-0 - 120 points
Home series against Pak: 2-0 - 120 points
Away against Bangla: 2 matches series postponed - split points 60
Total = 180+120+120+60 = 480
PTS % = 480/720 = 66.6%

India
Away against Aus: 0-3 - will get only 10 points from Aus tour
Home series against England: 4-1 - 96 points
Total = 360+10+96 = 466
PTS % = 466/720 = 64.7%

England:
Away against India: 1-4 - 24 points
Away against Lanka: 2 matches series postponed -- split points 60
Total = 292+24+60= 376
PTS % = 376/720 = 52.2%
 
My Revised predictions:

Australia:
Home series against Ind: 3-0 - 100 points
Away against SA: 2-1 - 80 points
Away against Bangla: 2 matches series postponed - split points 60
Total = 296+100+80+60 = 536
PTS % = 536/720 = 74.4%

New Zealand
Home series against WI : 2-0 - 120 points
Home series against Pak: 2-0 - 120 points
Away against Bangla: 2 matches series postponed - split points 60
Total = 180+120+120+60 = 480
PTS % = 480/720 = 66.6%

India
Away against Aus: 0-3 - will get only 10 points from Aus tour
Home series against England: 4-1 - 96 points
Total = 360+10+96 = 466
PTS % = 466/720 = 64.7%

England:
Away against India: 1-4 - 24 points
Away against Lanka: 2 matches series postponed -- split points 60
Total = 292+24+60= 376
PTS % = 376/720 = 52.2%

Bro the entire point of doing a percentage of points contested system is that the matches that weren't able to be played will not count. So NZs away series against Ban will not be played, so if they whitewash Pakistan and the Windies they'll have 420 out of 600 points which puts them at 70%.
 
Bro the entire point of doing a percentage of points contested system is that the matches that weren't able to be played will not count. So NZs away series against Ban will not be played, so if they whitewash Pakistan and the Windies they'll have 420 out of 600 points which puts them at 70%.

Bro, are sure?
I found the below statement from MenIng post.

"Current regulations dictate that matches not completed shall be treated as a draw with points split. "
 
Bro, are sure?
I found the below statement from MenIng post.

"Current regulations dictate that matches not completed shall be treated as a draw with points split. "

"The ICC has confirmed the World Test Championship (WTC) points system will be amended, due to the Covid-19 pandemic, to decide the finalists on the basis of the percentage of points earned from those they contested for."

"An ICC release stated that even though current regulations say that matches not completed shall be treated as draws with points split, the cricket committee decided to determine the final WTC standings from matches that would be completed before the final scheduled to be played next June in England."
 
The percentage system has messed everything up for Ind.
New Zealand can now easily qualify.
I think the bangladesh series will be cancelled.
So the only chance India has now is if New Zealand plays atleast one draw against one of pak or wi which will take them up to 380/600=63.3.

Now if we consider india winning 3-0 against england and losing 3-0 in aus.
We will end up with 360+ 88+10=458 points.
458/720=63.6. Marginally ahead of NZ.
:yk
So basically we need pak and wi to somehow eke out one draw out of 4 matches.

Its still quite possible.
 
"The ICC has confirmed the World Test Championship (WTC) points system will be amended, due to the Covid-19 pandemic, to decide the finalists on the basis of the percentage of points earned from those they contested for."

"An ICC release stated that even though current regulations say that matches not completed shall be treated as draws with points split, the cricket committee decided to determine the final WTC standings from matches that would be completed before the final scheduled to be played next June in England."

Really bad news for Indian fans :((

"The Board approved a recommendation from the ICC Cricket Committee, headed by Anil Kumble, to change the competition terms "

This guy :69::69:
 
The percentage system has messed everything up for Ind.
New Zealand can now easily qualify.
I think the bangladesh series will be cancelled.
So the only chance India has now is if New Zealand plays atleast one draw against one of pak or wi which will take them up to 380/600=63.3.

Now if we consider india winning 3-0 against england and losing 3-0 in aus.
We will end up with 360+ 88+10=458 points.
458/720=63.6. Marginally ahead of NZ.
:yk
So basically we need pak and wi to somehow eke out one draw out of 4 matches.

Its still quite possible.

What about complete washout tests? will they consider as a draw?
 
I think you got to back NZL to beat BD. They drew in Lanka won in UAE against stronger sides. 0-7 in ODI's doesn't matter, BD yet to win a test against NZ. Percentage points will do well for NZL but splitting points will be a loss for them.

BD also drew in SRL, who beat PAK 2-0 in UAE few months later. These equations don't work that way. NZ won in UAE because PAK played rubbish cricket - both times allowed Kiwis to come back from well behind to win the Test. And, for Gods sake, PAK is not a stronger side any more the way you are saying - even five years back they didn’t enforce a win at Khulna after a first innings lead of 300+.

BD last time played Kiwis in Test in BD was long, long back - still should have won a Test which Kiwis chased like 320 for 8 on 4th innings & we dropped half a dozen. Against three spinners in Bangladesh, NZ will be quite happy to end it 1-1; in fact there was a very good chance that both games could have washed out - that’s less than 50% points; now they are getting 70% and if India looses 4-0 or 3-0 in Australia, Kiwis probably will make the cut.
 
Backing Australia and India as finalists, despite the fact that I don't think India will win in Australia. They have a great team (India), but home advantage is a cruel factor.

Final takes place at Lords right?
 
Really bad news for Indian fans :((

"The Board approved a recommendation from the ICC Cricket Committee, headed by Anil Kumble, to change the competition terms "

This guy :69::69:

We need to find a way to win one game in this tour now. 2-1 or 3-1 loss in Australia will be acceptable.

In England, we can win 3-0 or 4-1 or 3-1 comfortably.
 
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We need to find a way to win one game in this tour now. 2-1 or 3-1 loss in Australia will be acceptable.

In England, we can win 3-0 or 4-1 or 3-1 comfortably.

You mean, against England but not in England. Definitely, India should win four Tests, at least three - depending on how Poms bat, other two might end in 1-1, 0-0 or in between. But, if the series is in UAE, India won’t win more than 3 Tests, in-fact two is realistic. It’s going to be a tall, tall order to get 20 English wickets for their depth on those UAE mud beds. Last time, ENG actually batted well in first innings, but India out batted them on very good batting strips for first three days, then it started to crumble and Poms batting as well. In UAE, wicket doesn’t break, it gets lower & slower - survival isn’t the biggest deal there. Pathetic place to play Test cricket (any cricket).
 
We need to find a way to win one game in this tour now. 2-1 or 3-1 loss in Australia will be acceptable.

In England, we can win 3-0 or 4-1 or 3-1 comfortably.

Actually we need newzealand to play atleast one draw to qualify, that is our only realistic chance. Even if we win one match in aus it won't help if nz whitewashes both pak and wi.
 
Worst case scenario (for India):

New Zealand whit washes both Windies and Pakistan and ends up with 420/600 points so that's 70%

India gets clean swept by Australia and ends up with 360/600 points.....so that's 60%

That'll mean it's all over for both India and England even if either of them win 5-0 in India. Australia Vs New Zealand final at Lords.

India (and England too as they can still statistically make it to lords if they do the impossible in India) has to atleast draw a test in Australia and hope for atleast one drawn game in the two NZ home series'.

No matter what happens, things are going to very interesting in the coming months.

Thank you ICC for this experience. :babar
 
BD also drew in SRL, who beat PAK 2-0 in UAE few months later. These equations don't work that way. NZ won in UAE because PAK played rubbish cricket - both times allowed Kiwis to come back from well behind to win the Test. And, for Gods sake, PAK is not a stronger side any more the way you are saying - even five years back they didn’t enforce a win at Khulna after a first innings lead of 300+.

BD last time played Kiwis in Test in BD was long, long back - still should have won a Test which Kiwis chased like 320 for 8 on 4th innings & we dropped half a dozen. Against three spinners in Bangladesh, NZ will be quite happy to end it 1-1; in fact there was a very good chance that both games could have washed out - that’s less than 50% points; now they are getting 70% and if India looses 4-0 or 3-0 in Australia, Kiwis probably will make the cut.

I can only laugh at you, if you think Pak and SRL aren't stronger test teams than BD, BD was mauled pretty badly last time they played Pak and SRL won in SA just a year ago. Even in ICC test rankings Afghanistan with 57 rating points are ranked above BD, but you are welcome to keep living in La La land.
 
I can only laugh at you, if you think Pak and SRL aren't stronger test teams than BD, BD was mauled pretty badly last time they played Pak and SRL won in SA just a year ago. Even in ICC test rankings Afghanistan with 57 rating points are ranked above BD, but you are welcome to keep living in La La land.

You see, this is why I actually don't want to discuss Bangladesh cricket in PakPassion - you have a feeling of entitlement, apart from those days PAK plays ZIM these days - the 3rd ODI against ZIM was the days when PP was quite sober, I must say.

Head to Head of other series are not a reflection of what is going to happen in a particular series - it depends lot on condition, venue, team combination and relative strength, toss as well. PAK lost to Mughabe's ZIM 7 years back therefore these are useless discussions. As I said, SRL beat PAK 2-0 in UAE after drawing home series with BD few months back. What I know is Bangladesh is damn good at home particularly against SENA teams and they did draw last three series against SAF, AUS & ENG, and beat WIN - no reason why should we think NZ is unlucky to take 70% from Bangladesh tour.

It you, who are actually living in Lala land - haven't you relished that yet?
 
ICC ANNOUNCES ALTERED POINTS SYSTEM FOR WORLD TEST CHAMPIONSHIP

The Board approved a recommendation from the ICC Cricket Committee, headed by Anil Kumble, to change the competition terms for the event to determine how series affected by the global pandemic are accounted for on the points table.

The unprecedented disruption caused by COVID-19 means, to date, just under half of the World Test Championship matches have been played, with that estimated to rise to more than 85% by the end of the competition window. Current regulations dictate that matches not completed shall be treated as a draw with points split. The Cricket Committee considered maintaining that status quo or determining the final World Test Championship League standings from matches played.

The Cricket Committee recommended the latter option, which was approved by the Chief Executives Committee and ratified by the Board, meaning teams will be ranked in order of percentage of points earned.

ICC Chief Executive Manu Sawhney said: “Both the Cricket Committee and Chief Executives Committee supported the approach of ranking teams based on completed matches and points earned as this reflects their performance and doesn’t disadvantage teams that have been unable to compete all of their matches through no fault of their own.

“We explored a whole range of options, but our Members felt strongly that we should proceed as planned with the first ever World Test Championship Final in June next year.”

The Board also confirmed that the ICC Women’s T20 World Cup will move from its current slot at the end of 2022 to 9-26 February 2023. The move follows the decision in August to postpone the ICC Women’s Cricket World Cup 2021 to 2022 meaning there would be three major events in 2022 with the Commonwealth Games in July 2022 and the ICC Women’s T20 World Cup due to be held in November 2022.

As there are currently no major women’s events scheduled to take place in 2023 the Board confirmed the switch for the T20 World Cup to better support player preparation and to continue to build the momentum around the women’s game beyond 2022.

ICC CEO Manu Sawhney said: “Moving the ICC Women’s T20 World Cup to 2023 makes perfect sense on a number of levels. Firstly, it will provide a better workload balance for players giving them the best possible opportunity to perform to the highest levels on a global stage. Secondly, we can continue to build the momentum around the women’s game through 2022 and into 2023. We are committed to fueling the growth of the women’s game and today’s decision enables us to do that over the longer term.”

The Board also approved the introduction of an Excluded Persons Policy as part of the ICC Anti-Corruption Code with immediate effect. The policy enables the ICC ACU to exclude corruptors who are ‘non-participants’ to the Code to prevent people who attempt to corrupt the sport from involvement in the game. It will also make it an offence for ‘participants’ to the Code to associate with excluded non-participants.

Manu Sawhney added: “This is a significant addition to the ICC Anti-Corruption Code and enables the sport to impose an exclusion order on known corruptors preventing them from any involvement in cricket activities including playing, administration, financing, attendance or any kind of involvement in a league, team or franchise.

“It will allow our ACU to better disrupt the activities of non-participant corruptors which currently the ICC have little, if any, control over. This is crucial if we are to continue to protect the integrity of our sport.”

The Board confirmed the introduction of minimum age restrictions for international cricket to improve safeguarding of players which will apply across all cricket including ICC events, bilateral cricket and U19 cricket. To play in any form of men’s, women’s or U19 international cricket players must now be a minimum age of 15.

In case of exceptional circumstances, a Member Board could apply to the ICC to allow a player under the age of 15 to play for them. This could include where the player’s playing experience and mental development and wellbeing demonstrates that they would be capable of coping with the demands of international cricket.
 
You see, this is why I actually don't want to discuss Bangladesh cricket in PakPassion - you have a feeling of entitlement, apart from those days PAK plays ZIM these days - the 3rd ODI against ZIM was the days when PP was quite sober, I must say.

Head to Head of other series are not a reflection of what is going to happen in a particular series - it depends lot on condition, venue, team combination and relative strength, toss as well. PAK lost to Mughabe's ZIM 7 years back therefore these are useless discussions. As I said, SRL beat PAK 2-0 in UAE after drawing home series with BD few months back. What I know is Bangladesh is damn good at home particularly against SENA teams and they did draw last three series against SAF, AUS & ENG, and beat WIN - no reason why should we think NZ is unlucky to take 70% from Bangladesh tour.

It you, who are actually living in Lala land - haven't you relished that yet?

Bangladesh are actually utter gash at home, they lost to Mughabe's Zim and Afghanistan at home, thats why Afghanistan have overtaken them in the test rankings. They haven't won a test series against a top team in their 20 years of test cricket. But hey as I said keep living in La La land.
 
Bangladesh are actually utter gash at home, they lost to Mughabe's Zim and Afghanistan at home, thats why Afghanistan have overtaken them in the test rankings. They haven't won a test series against a top team in their 20 years of test cricket. But hey as I said keep living in La La land.

You are stressing it too far now - to better 70% in Bangladesh, Kiwis will need to win it 2-0. They won't do that in Bangladesh.
 
So if we sweep WI and Pakistan, India are basically out.

Good thing is we hold destiny in our own hands but both teams are capable of winning a game or two.
 
Wao Karma is such a weird thing, anyways win win situation for Pak fans for Nz series, any wins are always welcomed and even if we get blanked it will be good for fact that it will make Indian qualification harder, and interestingly Indians fans will be rooting for Pak also on this tour. Interesting times. Khud tu dobay hain sanam tujhay b le dobein ge, Realistically our batting may fare well but our bowling well again fell short specially after first day when those grass fields turn into absolute phattas. But we can still draw a game and do our work neighbor's a favor if our batting can hold up for long enough, winning will need way below par performance and self destruction by Hobbits.
 
Wao Karma is such a weird thing, anyways win win situation for Pak fans for Nz series, any wins are always welcomed and even if we get blanked it will be good for fact that it will make Indian qualification harder, and interestingly Indians fans will be rooting for Pak also on this tour. Interesting times. Khud tu dobay hain sanam tujhay b le dobein ge, Realistically our batting may fare well but our bowling well again fell short specially after first day when those grass fields turn into absolute phattas. But we can still draw a game and do our work neighbor's a favor if our batting can hold up for long enough, winning will need way below par performance and self destruction by Hobbits.

:)

What about Kiwis winning 2-0 against PAK, then 1-1 with WIN and IND loosing 1-2 in Australia? No winners for PAK if they loose 0-2 in NZ.....
 
Wao Karma is such a weird thing, anyways win win situation for Pak fans for Nz series, any wins are always welcomed and even if we get blanked it will be good for fact that it will make Indian qualification harder, and interestingly Indians fans will be rooting for Pak also on this tour. Interesting times. Khud tu dobay hain sanam tujhay b le dobein ge, Realistically our batting may fare well but our bowling well again fell short specially after first day when those grass fields turn into absolute phattas. But we can still draw a game and do our work neighbor's a favor if our batting can hold up for long enough, winning will need way below par performance and self destruction by Hobbits.

Doobo ya Tairo Kisi ko ghanta farak nahi padta
 
So if we sweep WI and Pakistan, India are basically out.

Good thing is we hold destiny in our own hands but both teams are capable of winning a game or two.

You can easily destroy Pakistan. Thanks to too useless so-called coaches Misbah and Waqar. It will hard to win 2-0 against WI. They have better fast bowlers and comparatively better batsmen than us plus they play fearlessly.
 
You can easily destroy Pakistan. Thanks to too useless so-called coaches Misbah and Waqar. It will hard to win 2-0 against WI. They have better fast bowlers and comparatively better batsmen than us plus they play fearlessly.

India lost in NZ earlier this year too. No coach would make us win in NZ.
 
Wao Karma is such a weird thing, anyways win win situation for Pak fans for Nz series, any wins are always welcomed and even if we get blanked it will be good for fact that it will make Indian qualification harder, and interestingly Indians fans will be rooting for Pak also on this tour. Interesting times. Khud tu dobay hain sanam tujhay b le dobein ge, Realistically our batting may fare well but our bowling well again fell short specially after first day when those grass fields turn into absolute phattas. But we can still draw a game and do our work neighbor's a favor if our batting can hold up for long enough, winning will need way below par performance and self destruction by Hobbits.

Indian fans can be disappointed in us too now :ua
 
You mean, against England but not in England. Definitely, India should win four Tests, at least three - depending on how Poms bat, other two might end in 1-1, 0-0 or in between. But, if the series is in UAE, India won’t win more than 3 Tests, in-fact two is realistic. It’s going to be a tall, tall order to get 20 English wickets for their depth on those UAE mud beds. Last time, ENG actually batted well in first innings, but India out batted them on very good batting strips for first three days, then it started to crumble and Poms batting as well. In UAE, wicket doesn’t break, it gets lower & slower - survival isn’t the biggest deal there. Pathetic place to play Test cricket (any cricket).

Yeah, I mean against England. Been there for so long in this forum now that people automatically autocorrect any typing mistake and respond accordingly :afridi
 
Actually we need newzealand to play atleast one draw to qualify, that is our only realistic chance. Even if we win one match in aus it won't help if nz whitewashes both pak and wi.

Yeah, very less chances for getting to finals now because NZ will most likely produce wickets with a lot of grass in it so that result can come out in all tests.
 
New ICC chair Greg Barclay questions future of Test Championship

World Test Championship may not be 'fit for purpose' says newly-elected ICC chairman Greg Barclay; Ranking system started with 2019 Ashes and was due to culminate in Lord's final between top two nations next summer; Current rankings have England third, behind Australia and India.

The World Test Championship is under threat of being discontinued after its inaugural edition with the International Cricket Council's new chair Greg Barclay questioning whether the model is "fit for purpose".

New Zealander Barclay was elected to the role last week after being voted in ahead of the acting incumbent Imran Khwaja and is planning to lead a review of a global calendar that has been heavily disrupted by the coronavirus pandemic.

The Test league table, an innovation which only officially began with the 2019 Ashes and is due to culminate in a Lord's final between the top two nations next summer, is at risk.

Brought in after years of discussion in a bid to lend context to bilateral series, the idea has had a bumpy start due to the uneven nature of international schedules and mass cancellations in the pandemic forcing a change to the points
system. Australia and India occupy the top two positions as it stands, with England third.

Barclay said: "Covid has probably highlighted some of the shortcomings we have got with the World Test Championship.

"From an idealistic point of view it probably had a lot of merit but I do just query in a practical sense whether it's actually achieved what it was intended to do.

"Let's get through the next little bit, do what we can taking into account Covid and the ability to reallocate points or whatever, but my personal view is once we've done that we're probably back to the drawing board. I'm just not quite sure it's entirely fit for purpose and perhaps has achieved what we might have hoped it would when it was first conceptualised four or five years ago.

"Like everything it's kind of up for grabs and we'll have a look at it."

Barclay has no intention of compromising the primacy of the format but with fixture congestion a major issue and the commercial viability of five-day cricket in several territories, he sees the need for pragmatism.

"We've got to look at it in the context of the calendar. Simply putting more cricket in there for the sake of putting more cricket on makes the situation worse," he said.

"If we accept Test cricket is the bit that makes the game of cricket different and special and has its legacy and heritage, I'm at an age where I'm still a purist, but I probably accept it's not paying the bills anymore.

"Things need to change but I'd love to see it (as a format) kept exactly whereit is. The fact is (fewer and fewer) countries are able to afford to play it, very few countries can actually make it work from a financial point of view. If we are going to retain it and, and I fervently hope we will, we need to have another look at it."

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...barclay-questions-future-of-test-championship
 
As said few times before, ICC is not the most professional sporting body around. They keep on doing random things without much solid explanations. Worked on the idea for years and now talking about rolling it back even before the first cycle has been completed. As per international media agencies like “Fobes”, even the recent election had a lot of things including power politics and hidden agendas.
 
So he wants to minimise Test Cricket completely?

Even his statements are pretty unclear to be honest. He has floated in number of concepts without actually anything concrete.

Looks like he probably wants to make international cricket less as a whole and possibly test championship (Test cricket) will be first on the list to be toned down.

"We've got to look at it in the context of the calendar. Simply putting more cricket in there for the sake of putting more cricket on makes the situation worse,"

Question is wasnt test championship intended for the very same purpose that cricket is not played only for the sake of it but, actually has context? A lot of confusions and contradictions in his statements, without anything solid.
 
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Seems to be only after the revenue. A timultous reign is in store for the health of cricket.
Bad times.
 
Even his statements are pretty unclear to be honest. He has floated in number of concepts without actually anything concrete.

Looks like he probably wants to make international cricket less as a whole and possibly test championship (Test cricket) will be first on the list to be toned down.

"We've got to look at it in the context of the calendar. Simply putting more cricket in there for the sake of putting more cricket on makes the situation worse,"

Question is wasnt test championship intended for the very same purpose that cricket is not played only for the sake of it but, actually has context? A lot of confusions and contradictions in his statements, without anything solid.

The focus looks to be shifting towards t20 , even if they won't admit it just yet, looks like spaces are being made and cleared to pave way for more windows for the t20 leagues and tone down test cricket. Financially it is more viable especially as this covid situation showed for boards to get away with small t20 tours rather than 3 test series.

This is the problem with cricket at the moment, it has lost its identity, and it seems like the ideas change every time we have a new chairman. Everyone has a different idea of what they want, to the detriment of the game.
 
Seems to be only after the revenue. A timultous reign is in store for the health of cricket.
Bad times.

Bad news for PCB and Pakistan cricket really.

Maximum Revenue= BCCI pandering, and BCCI have an agenda against Pakistan.
 
The test championship is a good idea. It may need tweaking but the ICC should not get rid of it completely.
 
CHANCE FOR NEW ZEALAND TO MOVE UP IN WORLD TEST CHAMPIONSHIP POINTS TABLE

Winning both matches of the home series against West Indies could see New Zealand overtake England and move into third position in the ICC World Test Championship points table.

New Zealand will be aiming to make full use of home conditions in their two-match World Test Championship (WTC) series against the West Indies from Thursday as they bid to move up in the points table led by Australia.

New Zealand are fourth in terms of percentage points won, the factor that determines the final placings, following a change to the points system announced last week owing to the disruption of international cricket due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

Winning both matches of the series, in Hamilton and Wellington, could see them overtake England and move into third position with 0.625 percentage points after four series, having previously drawn 1-1 with Sri Lanka and lost 3-0 to Australia before pulling off a 2-0 home series win over India.

Australia overtook India to the top position and the two teams will fight it out in a four-Test series immediately after this one while New Zealand get another chance to get WTC points on the board with a two-Test home series against Pakistan starting on 26 December.

Each series of the WTC is worth 120 points, distributed evenly over the number of matches in a series. The points range from 60 for each match of a two-Test series to 24 for each match of a five-Test series

New Zealand captain Kane Williamson will be leading a few top-ranked players as they aim to progress in the MRF Tyres ICC Men’s Test Player Rankings.

Williamson, a formerly top-ranked player, is the only batter from either side in the top 10, in 4th position. Tom Latham (12th), Ross Taylor (15th) and Henry Nicholls (19th) are in the top 20, a reflection of the team’s strong batting line up.

New Zealand excel in the bowling department in rankings terms, with pace bowlers Neil Wagner (3rd), Tim Southee (4th) and Trent Boult (10th) all among the top 10.

For the West Indies, captain Jason Holder is their leading player in all three lists, he is the top-ranked all-rounder, 5th on the bowlers list and ranked 43rd among batters.

Fast bowlers Kemar Roach (15th) and Shannon Gabriel (20th) are their leading bowlers.
 
Looks like the new ICC Chairman wants to "go back to the drawing board" with the WTC. To be frank, I am not surprised. I mean, nobody knows when this thing began and who knows when this is going to end.

Also, not sure if this whole adding context to Tests has succeeded in pulling in extra audience. Fans outside Eng and Aus still don't care much for Tests.
 
A New Zealand vs Australia final seems likely right now. And there is only 1 winner in that contest.
 
India need to win five matches or win four and draw three.
Looks like we are gone case.

Don't see India qualifying. Also England have to win most of their games to qualify. The rest of the teams are far adrift from top 2.

Looks like an Australia vs New Zealand final.
 
Don't see India qualifying. Also England have to win most of their games to qualify. The rest of the teams are far adrift from top 2.

Looks like an Australia vs New Zealand final.

Does India get disqualified automatically if New Zealand whitewashes Pak? Or can they still make it if they win 2-3 games against England and Australia?
 
Does India get disqualified automatically if New Zealand whitewashes Pak? Or can they still make it if they win 2-3 games against England and Australia?

India will qualify if they win 5 tests from here and other teams results doesn't matter. They need 150 points from their last 8 tests to qualify
 
India need to win five matches or win four and draw three.
Looks like we are gone case.

India will qualify if they win 5 tests from here and other teams results doesn't matter. They need 150 points from their last 8 tests to qualify

Qualifying for India would have been lot easier if what should have happened, happened. That is the Aus/Ind test series played in India. It was India's turn to host the series, but for some reason BCCI pulled a SLC/PCB/WI and avoided hosting test matches.
 
Does India get disqualified automatically if New Zealand whitewashes Pak? Or can they still make it if they win 2-3 games against England and Australia?

I think if India win there games, they will be there. But difficult to see them winning a game in Australia.
 
We must somehow win a test in Australia if kiwis whitewash Pak.

But as generous neighbors, if Pak even manages to draw a game , then it'll get a lot easier.


Come on bhai log...itna toh kar sakte ho apne parosi ke liye :afridi
 
England are touring India not the other way around. And India should win 4-0 in that series.

India's tour to England is in the 2021-23 cycle.

My bad. Should be relatively straightforward then - just need a single draw in Australia and India still makes it to the final, no?
 
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