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India and New Zealand confirmed as finalist for the World Test Championship 2019-2021 [Post#552]

Thunderbolt14 said:
My bad. Should be relatively straightforward then - just need a single draw in Australia and India still makes it to the final, no?
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Nope a draw won't be enough if we consider the most likely scenario in the NZ Vs Pak series i.e a 2-0 sweep by the hosts.

Must win a test or draw three (extremely unlikely).
 
AUSTRALIA LOOK TO RETAIN TOP SPOT IN THE ICC WORLD TEST CHAMPIONSHIP AS THE RACE TO THE FINAL HEATS UP



India will look to close the gap with table-toppers Australia in the ICC World Test Championship points table after their first pink-ball Test in Adelaide on Thursday.

India is in third place in the MRF Tyres ICC Men's Test Team Rankings with 114 rating points, whilst Australia top the rankings with 116.46 rating points. New Zealand follows closely in second with 116.37 rating points. New Zealand is very close to reaching the ICC World Test Championship final in 2021 after securing back-to-back innings victories against the West Indies. India will feel the pressure as the race to the World Test Championship final heats up.
Australia and India will fight it out in a four-Test series as the hosts look to build on their narrow lead at the top of the table. If New Zealand overcomes Pakistan 2-0 in the two-Test series which starts on 26 December, they will finish on 420 points from five series.
That will leave India needing five wins or four wins and three draws out of their last eight Tests, which include facing Australia away and hosting England for a four-Test series beginning in February 2021. Depending on how India's series against Australia goes and New Zealand's series against Pakistan goes, Australia could build their lead at number one or make way for New Zealand at the top.
The factor that determines the final placings is now percentage points, following a change to the points system announced earlier, owing to the disruption of international cricket due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
 
India's fate likely rests in Pakistan's hands to qualify for the WTC final

India need to win 5/8 matches and that looks nigh impossible based off this game and no more Kohli plus Warner returning. Pakistan absolutely need to get a result vs New Zealand for a chance of India qualifying.:asad1
 
Go Pakistan! Destroy them Kiwis.

We believe in you.

:pkflag
 
silentkiller187 said:
India should be repaid for their antics of underperforming against England at the last world cup. :)) :)) :))
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We didn't underperform. That was just Dhoni being Dhoni. He duly proceeded to knock us out of the semi-final of that very tournament playing the same way.
 
Don't care. NZ should thrash Pakistan even if it means that India may not reach the Test Championship Finals.
 
Koi final vinal nahi jaana bhai.... :))

If we somehow reach the final by hook or crook, then drunkard and his master will thump their chests again about that and get an excuse to leach on further.
 
There's little chance of us winning. I'd be surprised if we win a test match.

But then again, it's Pakistan, so anything can happen.
 
So indias chances lie in the hands of shan masood, azhar ali, abid ali and fawad alam. Extremely reliable bunch. Dont worry india you are safe.
 
Sorry to say this, but we are going to lose 2-0. Don't see our batting doing anything against Boult, Kyle, Wagner and southee.
 
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New Zealand, in my mind, have a 75% chance of beating Pakistan comprehensively.

The 25% that rests with Pakistan depends on whether or not Babar Azam is fully fit, and if the top order can score runs consistently.
 
I'm sure even Indians know their team doesn't deserve to be in the WTC final. I don't want to see a dampener at Lords. India is not scoring anything over 100 against this Aussie line up. New Zealand will at least try.
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
I'm sure even Indians know their team doesn't deserve to be in the WTC final. I don't want to see a dampener at Lords. India is not scoring anything over 100 against this Aussie line up. New Zealand will at least try.
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Newzealand conditions are similar to england conditions so they will be quite competivie against austrailia there. But if india do get there they would fully deserve it.
 
CricketZ said:
India need to win 5/8 matches and that looks nigh impossible based off this game and no more Kohli plus Warner returning. Pakistan absolutely need to get a result vs New Zealand for a chance of India qualifying.:asad1
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Are we gonna qualify if we win 5/8 matches?? 1 win should come tomorrow.
 
Mesozoic said:
Yes we will. But don't think we'll sweep England 4-0. Not as easy as some people are making it out to be.
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We will sweep unless rain spoil the game.
Our home track bullies will fire, Mayank and Rohit can score double hundreds.

Hope there will be no injury concerns before the series.
 
King_Kohli said:
We will sweep unless rain spoil the game.
<B>Our home track bullies will fire</B>, Mayank and Rohit can score double hundreds.

Hope there will be no injury concerns before the series.
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:yk

Bumrah might play his first home series as other guys are injured.
 
King_Kohli said:
We will sweep unless rain spoil the game.
Our home track bullies will fire, Mayank and Rohit can score double hundreds.

Hope there will be no injury concerns before the series.
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England bat until no.11. Sweeping them isn't going to be as easy as sweeping South Africa and Bangladesh/West Indies.

Ofcourse they're unlikely to win (maybe a slight chance in the pink ball Test) but they can certainly draw an odd game. Even two if the wickets are anything like the ones against South Africa where Mayank was smashing triples.
 
WTC Points Table:

AUS - 326 points (77.6)
IND - 390 points (72.2)
NZ - 300 points (62.5)
ENG - 292 points (60.8)
PAK - 166 points (39.5)
SL - 80 points (33.3)
WI - 40 points (11.1)
SA - 24 points (10)
BAN - 0 point

MCG win had given India a clear advantage to qualify into final
 
ICC have docked four Test Championship points from Australia, and fined their players 40 per cent of their match fees for slow over-rate in the second Test against India.

Hefty.
 
Can Pakistan beat England for 4th place? India to probably whitewash them, while we have home tests remaining against South Africa and Bangladesh... 180 points on offer there, assuming we lose 2-0 to New Zealand. I would be very satisfied if Pakistan finished 4th after Aus, Ind, NZ
 
Devadwal said:
If india won all 4 Test vs England in india ,no matter what they will be qualify along with Australia
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If India win all Tests v/s England they get 120 points so 390+120= 510 points ( 2 Tests with Australia remaining )

If NZ win all Tests with Pakistan and BD they get 120 +120 = 240 points .
Currently they are on 300 points , so 300+240= 540 points.
 
liam26 said:
If India win all Tests v/s England they get 120 points so 390+120= 510 points ( 2 Tests with Australia remaining )

If NZ win all Tests with Pakistan and BD they get 120 +120 = 240 points .
Currently they are on 300 points , so 300+240= 540 points.
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Doesn't work like that now. It's decided on points per game ratio not total points as some teams are playing a lot less no. of series' than others. Bangladesh are playing just 2 series whereas India are playing 6.

And the NZ Vs Ban series is unlikely to happen.
 
Mesozoic said:
Doesn't work like that now. It's decided on points per game ratio not total points as some teams are playing a lot less no. of series' than others. Bangladesh are playing just 2 series whereas India are playing 6.

And the NZ Vs Ban series is unlikely to happen.
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If the NZ Ban series doesn't happen then India will qualify if they whitewash England.. However, still waiting for a final confirmation that the series won't take place.
 
Tier 1:- India, Australia, New Zealand

Tier 2 :- England, Pakistan, South Africa

Tier 3:- Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh

:inti
 
Ab Fan said:
Tier 1:- India, Australia, New Zealand

Tier 2 :- England, Pakistan, South Africa

Tier 3:- Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh

:inti
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Can’t disagree with this. Though England is a teensy bit higher within Tier 2 compared to Pakistan and South Africa.
 
Mesozoic said:
Doesn't work like that now. It's decided on points per game ratio not total points as some teams are playing a lot less no. of series' than others. Bangladesh are playing just 2 series whereas India are playing 6.

And the NZ Vs Ban series is unlikely to happen.
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How is PCT calculated for an example? India have 390 points in 5 test series.
 
Ab Fan said:
How is PCT calculated for an example? India have 390 points in 5 test series.
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120 points for each series

So if it's a 2 match series then 60 points per match

It's it's 4 then 30 points per match

India has scored 390 points in 4 full series + 2 tests in a 4 four match series

4 full series = 120*4=480
2 matches in 4 Match series = 2*30= 60

So, India has scored 390 out of 540(480+60) points

390/540 = 0.722 I.e 72.2 %
 
Ab Fan said:
How is PCT calculated for an example? India have 390 points in 5 test series.
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Points scored divided by points contested for

For example....India have 390 points and have contested for 540 points.

So (390÷540) = 0.72
 
RyanRyan10 said:
120 points for each series

So if it's a 2 match series then 60 points per match

It's it's 4 then 30 points per match

India has scored 390 points in 4 full series + 2 tests in a 4 four match series

4 full series = 120*4=480
2 matches in 4 Match series = 2*30= 60

So, India has scored 390 out of 540(480+60) points

390/540 = 0.722 I.e 72.2 %
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Thanks. So, unlikely that Aus will miss out of test championship.

Its between India and NZ only. NZ will end up at 0.7 after they beat Pak in 2nd test and India need 4 wins from now on to go past NZ.
 
New Zealand are poised to go top of the MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings if they can complete a series win over Pakistan, but either of Australia or India could go past them with a series win of their own.

The rating points for teams are calculated on a series-by-series basis, with the rankings updated accordingly at the end of a series. That means that a series win for New Zealand would immediately send them top, with Australia and India not receiving points for their series until it is concluded.

A draw in the second Test against Pakistan would send New Zealand to 117 rating points, moving them ahead of Australia who currently sit less than 0.1 of a rating point ahead of their trans-Tasman rivals. If Kane Williamson's side can secure a 2-0 series win then they will move to 118 rating points.

But occupation of the No.1 spot could be a fleeting moment for the Kiwis. Regardless of New Zealand's result against Pakistan, if either India or Australia can win both remaining Test matches in their series, and thus claim a 3-1 series victory, then they will move into pole position with 119 or 121 rating points respectively.

A 2-1 series win would also be enough for Tim Paine's side to go top, as they would have 119 rating points.

Should New Zealand draw their second Test against Pakistan then a 2-1 result would also be enough for India, but such a result following a New Zealand win would see the Kiwis come out on top by less than one rating point (118.4 v 117.7).

A 2-2 draw between India and Australia would leave New Zealand top as long as the Black Caps are able to avoid defeat against Pakistan in Christchurch.

Further down the rankings there's also potential for change, with South Africa set to leapfrog Sri Lanka to claim the No.5 spot if they can secure a series win following their innings victory at Centurion.
 
World Test Championship

When is the new cycle of WTC is going to start?
The final of current cycle will held in june 2021, so does next cycle start right after 1st cycle or there will be a 6 months gap & new cycle will start from jan 2022
 
South Africa move to no.5 in table after their win today.

1. Australia - 0.766
2. India - 0.722
3. New Zealand - 0.667
4. England - 0.608
5. South Africa - 0.400
6. Pakistan - 0.346
7. Sri Lanka - 0.222
8. West Indies - 0.111
9. Bangladesh - 0.000
 
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ICC World Test Championship points table:

1. Australia - 322 Points (76.7%).
2. India - 390 Points (72.2%).
3. New Zealand - 420 Points (70%).
4. England - 292 (60.8%).
5. South Africa - 144 Points (40%).
 
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aloo paratha said:
If India lose the next test then the England series finishes 3-0, will India make it? What about if the next test is a draw and then England series finishes 3-0?
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India are playing for total 720 points. So, if India loses at Brisbane and wins at home 3-1, then total points will be 490/720 and that will be less than 0.7 which is NZ's PCT.

If we get to 500/720 with one more draw, we will still be slightly behind 0.7.

Basically, what India needs is 110 points from now on. So, 3 wins(90) and 2 draws(20) or 4 wins to quality to test championship finals. 3 wins and one draw will not be enough.
 
India needs to be at 504 points to qualify for the WTC Finals , means they need 104 points more. So do the maths now.

If India lose the last test against Australia , they will have to earn full 104 points from series against England - means they will have to whitewash England at home ( 4-0 )

If India Draw the last test against Australia , they will get 10 points and thus they will have to earn 94 points from series against England..which means 3 wins and 1 draw ( 30 + 30 + 30 + 10 = 100 Points )

If India wins the next Test, they will get 30 points , so India will have to earn 74 points from the series against England. Which means they can go for 2 Wins and 2 Draws ( 30 + 30 + 10 + 10 = 80 Points ) or 3 Wins and 1 loss ( 30 + 30 + 30 + 0 = 90 Points )
 
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RyanRyan10 said:
We need either 4 wins or 3 wins + 2 draws
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Ab Fan said:
India are playing for total 720 points. So, if India loses at Brisbane and wins at home 3-1, then total points will be 490/720 and that will be less than 0.7 which is NZ's PCT.

If we get to 500/720 with one more draw, we will still be slightly behind 0.7.

Basically, what India needs is 110 points from now on. So, 3 wins(90) and 2 draws(20) or 4 wins to quality to test championship finals. 3 wins and one draw will not be enough.
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Predictions for Ind-Eng series? I think England have a chance in the DN test if Anderson, Broad and Woakes get the pink ball hooping. Other than that maybe England can manage a draw. Imo the absolute best case for England is a 2-1 loss, but I would not be surprised if India win 4-0.
 
aloo paratha said:
Predictions for Ind-Eng series? I think England have a chance in the DN test if Anderson, Broad and Woakes get the pink ball hooping. Other than that maybe England can manage a draw. Imo the absolute best case for England is a 2-1 loss, but I would not be surprised if India win 4-0.
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England have no chance at all, hardly they can manage 1 draw.
All our batsmen are too good at home, even Umesh can score quick 50.
Anderson and Broad would get thrashed all over the park by Rohit, Mayank and Gill :sree
 
This gives us breathing space, can anyone tell us how much we need to win against England?
 
JaDed said:
This gives us breathing space, can anyone tell us how much we need to win against England?
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If we drew this match, we would have to win atleast 3-0 against England.

Now, I guess a 2-1 win against England will do.

Somebody confirm please.
 
India had the toughest schedule amongst all the teams while NZ had one of the easier ones though no fault of their (with the big 3 constantly playing against each other).
 
2-1 series win won't cut the cake for India. They need to win 3-1 or 2-0 which seems very difficult against a very strong England batting line up.
 
WTC is not that meaningful with a lopsided schedule for teams.
 
Really don’t care for WTC. It’s point system is geared to find the top 2 teams by points. And you can game these points by choosing opponents.
 
JattMaula said:
My bad. You are correct. We need 2-0, 3-1, or 3-0 to over take NZ and guarantee the place in final.
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Which I believe is not going to happen. At max India will win it 2-1. England has a very strong batting line up and with the introduction of archer and leach they can now not only compete but have the potential of winning the series even.
 
India vs NZ at Lord's sounds like the ideal final at this point.
 
Wnaq said:
Which I believe is not going to happen. At max India will win it 2-1. England has a very strong batting line up and with the introduction of archer and leach they can now not only compete but have the potential of winning the series even.
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Oh my.
 
If I’m not wrong, ICC made changes to WTC due to covid. Instead of points, win % will decide which top two teams goes to final. This is reason why until today, we saw Australia on top with 73.8%. After today’s match, India is marginally ahead with 71.7% of both NZ 70% and Australia 69.2%.

In order for India to finish top two, win as many matches to keep that Win % higher.
 
aloo paratha said:
How many tests do Australia need to win in south Africa to qualify?
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So if my calculations are correct, Australia need to get more than 88 points in their series against SA to qualify. That means even a 2-1 (80 points) win for Australia will not make them qualify. They need to either win 2-0 (93 points) or 3-0 (120 points)

Hope to see NZ vs India in the WTC Final.
 
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