India and Pakistan Must End Support for Terrorist Proxies in order to end the senseless violence

[shortbread]

It does not take a genius to figure out that both Pakistan and India have heavily invested in fostering anti-national activities on each other's territories. While a lot of arguments can be put forward about the legitimacy of their motives and the consequential impact of governmental 'anti-terror' actions on their own populations, that's not the purpose of this thread. While numerous debates exist regarding these underlying issues, the focus here is on the troubling zero-sum game both nations are engaged in by perpetuating violence against one another. Despite the deep-seated animosities that prevent genuine friendships, it is crucial to ask why both nations cannot coexist peacefully without resorting to violence? The tragic loss of innocent lives and the disruption of daily life, compounded by retaliatory military actions, serve little purpose. While it's acknowledged that deeply entrenched ideologies and hardliners complicate matters, fostering a common understanding to cease violence should be pursued; after all, is it truly so challenging for both sides to come together, not as friends, but to simply halt the cycle of proxy warfare? Doesn't it benefit everyone?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why would India end now? They are finally on the front foot after a long time.

There is no *** for tat at the moment. They have their chances to take revenge while Pakistan is in tatters. Why shouldn't they take it?

Peace can only come when there is some parity and that's up to the Pakistani establishment to sort out.

 

[shortbread]

Why would India end now? They are finally on the front foot after a long time.

There is no *** for tat at the moment. They have their chances to take revenge while Pakistan is in tatters. Why shouldn't they take it?

Peace can only come when there is some parity and that's up to the Pakistani establishment to sort out.

The belief that parity is necessary for a conflict to reach a stalemate is misguided; historical examples like the current instability in Israel and the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war illustrate that a smaller or less powerful nation can effectively challenge a larger adversary, often leading to significant losses for the stronger party. Additionally, the recent casualties faced by Indian security personnel highlight that the toll of conflict cannot be reduced to a simple numerical comparison: the loss of even a few lives can have profound implications, regardless of the enemy’s casualties. Or are you making the argument that it's fine if 4 Indian soldiers die, as long as 5 are killed on the other side? Is this the measure for being on the 'front foot'?'

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The belief that parity is necessary for a conflict to reach a stalemate is misguided; historical examples like the current instability in Israel and the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war illustrate that a smaller or less powerful nation can effectively challenge a larger adversary, often leading to significant losses for the stronger party. Additionally, the recent casualties faced by Indian security personnel highlight that the toll of conflict cannot be reduced to a simple numerical comparison: the loss of even a few lives can have profound implications, regardless of the enemy’s casualties. Or are you making the argument that it's fine if 4 Indian soldiers die, as long as 5 are killed on the other side? Is this the measure for being on the 'front foot'?'

I'm not aware of any recent deaths of Indian soldiers.

If you want to compare with other conflicts then Pakistan then needs to put itself into a position where it can make significant losses for the stronger party or it has some sort of clout or value to others.

Currently Pakistan is in turmoil, it is on the hospital bed economically, it's being torn apart internally, and is moving backwards on most indicators. India is not expending major capital to try to destabilise Pakistan in the same way that Russians are throwing money into Ukraine or the Israelis are into Gaza.

I would prefer peace of course but what incentive does India have to take it's foot of Pakistan's neck? It will either have to make large concessions or become such a thorn in India's side that they see peace in their best interest. It won't do either of these things.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Proxy wars have been the bread and butter for both countries, but if they want to put an end to it, a straightforward solution would be to focus on trade and mutual economic benefits. But how can we make this happen?

Well, first, we need to start talking to each other. Let's have open and honest conversations about our interests and concerns. Let's find common ground and build trust.

Next, let's focus on building economic ties. Let's trade with each other, invest in each other's countries, and create jobs for each other's people.

We can also work together on projects that benefit both countries, like infrastructure development, healthcare, and education.

And, let's not forget about people-to-people connections. Let's encourage tourism, cultural exchanges, and student programs.